KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I mean it's possible that he's scum. I literally have said that already.
Tom and vezok are by far the most likely IMO
again
Please tell me how it's Kami/vezok
It can't be. You voting anyone but me is all but literally a scum claim
Also you still have no reasons I'm scum in the first place. I am holding you to a higher standard than what you are putting out rn you are better than this when you're town
I mean it's possible that he's scum. I literally have said that already.
Tom and vezok are by far the most likely IMO
again
Please tell me how it's Kami/vezok
It can't be. You voting anyone but me is all but literally a scum claim
Also you still have no reasons I'm scum in the first place. I am holding you to a higher standard than what you are putting out rn you are better than this when you're town
I do have reasons tom. Don't say that I don't. You know I do and you know I caught you. You saying I'm scum today and completely ignoring the entire rest of my play is telling tom.
When Kami flips town there won't be anywhere for you to hide. You and Vezok will be the only two left that are likely scum, since Wuffles just isn't likely scum.
And I said I do not think Kami is scum. I doubt he's scum with Vezok because I don't think he's scum.
You wanna know reasons why you're scum tom? You did literally no gamesolving D1. You decided that LAst and Wuffles HAD to be scum without trying to figure out the two lurkers. And now you're pushing this narrative that me voting Vezok is scummy. Pushing narratives instead of solving games, just like you did in Arkham. I pointed that out but didn't pursue it then. Not making that mistake again.I'll have a case on you ready for DayStart then we can lynch either you or your buddy.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Dude I'm terrible at this game idk what you're talking about. You just got done with a game where I townread the entire scum team and scum read all the masons.
I'm voting vezok over you because I'm going to have a hard time proving you're scum without Vezok flipping scum first. To see the quality of cases I make, see this have, or my Osie case in ZE. I just can't seem to organize my thoughts well.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
With the way vezok claimed and the available roles (he would have to be redirector), he can't be scum with grapefruit because I saw the target. With grape town, claiming is a suicide 1v1 with grape if he had originally targeted anyone but you.
You technically work as ninja if you two thought grape was tracker (or Kami/wuffles if they thought he was watcher and you were the nightkill)
Those are all dumb because he is just giving himself up to grape by trying to townclear him despite a 5 in 6 chance of it proving him scum to grape…
I, on the other hand, can totally be scum without vezok. Behaviorally me/wuffles is nonsense but nothing rules it out mechanically. Me and Kami makes sense with me just trying my best to avoid having to read a hydra and only looking at the [bullshit but maybe correct] reasoning for scumreading them d1 and also no mechanical *****.
Think I even work with last mechanically but that's just not a real world.
Not to mention the actual result of lynching me first which is me flipping town and relegating vezok to *****ty tinfoil worlds.
So I guess what I'm saying here is, regardless of Kami flip, you best come correct tomorrow.
Because I am town with relevant mechanical information and I have apparently decided I care about this game now
With the way vezok claimed and the available roles (he would have to be redirector), he can't be scum with grapefruit because I saw the target. With grape town, claiming is a suicide 1v1 with grape if he had originally targeted anyone but you.
You technically work as ninja if you two thought grape was tracker (or Kami/wuffles if they thought he was watcher and you were the nightkill)
Those are all dumb because he is just giving himself up to grape by trying to townclear him despite a 5 in 6 chance of it proving him scum to grape…
I, on the other hand, can totally be scum without vezok. Behaviorally me/wuffles is nonsense but nothing rules it out mechanically. Me and Kami makes sense with me just trying my best to avoid having to read a hydra and only looking at the [bullshit but maybe correct] reasoning for scumreading them d1 and also no mechanical *****.
Think I even work with last mechanically but that's just not a real world.
Not to mention the actual result of lynching me first which is me flipping town and relegating vezok to *****ty tinfoil worlds.
So I guess what I'm saying here is, regardless of Kami flip, you best come correct tomorrow.
Because I am town with relevant mechanical information and I have apparently decided I care about this game now
Well when kami flips town then I can't see any other possibilities. Wuffles could be scum but I doubt it. Last and grape probably aren't either.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Initial reaction is it just has to be kj. Like, hard TMIing town Kami and getting ready for his push for today. Plus he was just scummy yesterday.
I do feel a little vindicated for pushing back on the lurker lynch but I got scurred they would flip scum and gave up and even found something that looked scummy wrt hydra communication. So no credit but some vindication.
Was gonna reread overnight once I got the Kami flip, but I got busy and haven't yet.
It does mean grape wasn't the kill, or at least that vez didn't stop one, since no ninja
So unless they skipped the kill n1, it was either kj killer or kj target.
With 5 alive, eliminating teams should be easy.
Vez about as clear as can be, and should never be lynched before me anyway
Grapes jk is the only explanation for no kill, with the added that he's probably not scum that skipped a kill because he used the jk (unless scum with kj, then we have no confirmation)
So:
Kj/wuffles
Kj/grape
Tom/vezok
Seem to be the only viable teams.
I can eliminate one lol
Kj is on the other two…
And that second one is kinda iffy.
Initial reaction is it just has to be kj. Like, hard TMIing town Kami and getting ready for his push for today. Plus he was just scummy yesterday.
I do feel a little vindicated for pushing back on the lurker lynch but I got scurred they would flip scum and gave up and even found something that looked scummy wrt hydra communication. So no credit but some vindication.
Was gonna reread overnight once I got the Kami flip, but I got busy and haven't yet.
It does mean grape wasn't the kill, or at least that vez didn't stop one, since no ninja
So unless they skipped the kill n1, it was either kj killer or kj target.
With 5 alive, eliminating teams should be easy.
Vez about as clear as can be, and should never be lynched before me anyway
Grapes jk is the only explanation for no kill, with the added that he's probably not scum that skipped a kill because he used the jk (unless scum with kj, then we have no confirmation)
So:
Kj/wuffles
Kj/grape
Tom/vezok
Seem to be the only viable teams.
I can eliminate one lol
Kj is on the other two…
And that second one is kinda iffy.
It's probably kj/wuffles. Like, 90%+
LOLOL oh ***** I called the scum team.
I'm gonna prove it.
I'm so excited. I got one right for once.
Hey Tom why should vezok not be lynched before you if he's scum?
Hey vezok I wanna see you "dismantle my case" like you promised to do at end of day.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hey Tom why should vezok not be lynched before you if he's scum?
because my flip mechanically clears him, and if you were trying to solve the game rather than trying to lynch enough townies you would have known that yesterday
Hey Tom why should vezok not be lynched before you if he's scum?
because my flip mechanically clears him, and if you were trying to solve the game rather than trying to lynch enough townies you would have known that yesterday
That's not what I'm doing and you know it.
When you claimed your watch result, you said grape was targeted by "Vezok and only vezok". Why did you word it that way? We're you expecting others to Target him?
Also I didn't Target anyone last night.
Also also, why didnt you watch the confirmed Townie?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm just arguing with scum here. Need other people.
Caused I saved grape again. Actually got motivated tonight and I used that other shot to save grape again.
And wouldn't you know it? Somehow the motivator stacks so he could use his ability twice in the same night as it wasn't used day 1. And he gave me another shot. I almost saved last with it, but used it that on grape too after much careful consideration.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You say I should 100% be going for you over Vezok. But Why would I go after Vezok as scum when you were almost lynched D1? As scum, I totally could have lynched you.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Grape is almost never scum. Not only has his play been townie generally, there's also the choice of JK target (me) and then him never following that up with a push (which would be the intent of JKing me if he was scum... to block me then claim no kill so therefore I am scum). This play makes no sense given that for it to work they have to gamble on having enough mislynches to make it work.
Wuffles I think is town just because I would absolutely have been an easy scumread after I was blocked and no kill occured. Also I do think he derp cleared himself.
Vezok is scum. Mechanically, he totally could have just protected Grape and that's absolutely a thing that could have happened (ignoring that there is no viable scum left after Wuffles and Grape are clear). I don't beleive he did. I think he is a redirector that didn't use his token and claimed doc so I wouldn't be the only protected person/he knew there wasn't a doc on the town side because redirector. He has also been behaviorally scummy. All he's done is push lynches all game. You can't just call this poor playstyle. There's a brain behind these actions, and the intent is clear. I think I've proven that.
Tom is scum because his early push on Wisp/Wuffles was really bad because he COULD NOT ELIMINATE KK/Ruman from his scumpool. He was just like "These two are scum, no brakes". KK and Ruman barely posted for most of D1. Pushing lynches on Wisp and Wuffles makes no sense from a general town perspective let alone a gamesolve perspective. His push on me today being "He must have TMI'd KK town", "if you were really gamesolving, you'd not be voting Vezok before me", and "two of my PoE's out of three contain KJ, and the other contains me, so its not that" are also the only arguments for my being scum. TMIing KK and his gamesolving argument are simply spin put on my actions. He can't show an actual scum motive for my actions so he has to invent one. Additionally, his gamesolving argument predisposes that I must vote based on mechanics and not behavior... I do not believe Vezok is clear because he claimed Doc, or the timing of that claim. Finally, if all of his PoE's equal me being scum, why hasn't he voted me yet?
Also of note: I still beleive that I caught tom because he was purposely not townreading anyone early game, putting himself in a position to vote onto any wagon as they become convenient. Intent is harder to prove here, but I think it's true.
I will vote either of tom or Vezok today. It's Wuffles like 5% of the time. I'm not gonna play those odds.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Okay, nope, nothing I can see convinces me that Tom isn't scum, as I said in my message last night. I don't know who out of vezok or KJ is scum (definitely leaning vezok, as he's been pocketing me the whole game, and suddenly swapped to "oh it has to be wuffles and KJ") but I'm waiting for Grape to post before I make any decisions.
KJ I don't think that your attack on Tom not immediately voting in Lylo is a good one. As scum, he'd want to wait for a townie to vote someone before jumping on for the speedlynch, and on the near-0 chance he's town, he'd want to wait to be sure before voting. It's just a bad argument either way dude.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Lolkj not knowing everyone was 1 shot and deciding to save his ability
Just lol
Was gonna say it's up to whoever isn't KJs buddy but since wuffles decided I was scum literally page 1 I guess it has to be town grape or it's over anyway
And yes, I was waiting for claims and a reread for due diligence before voting but
Well
**** it
All the proof I need
Grape you're the only person I need to talk to today
What you need to get there if you already aren't?
I think you should be able to see who among us knew how Kami would flip. who tried to solve this game with new info and who just needed to lynch the world they need to push
Grape you're the only person I need to talk to today
What you need to get there if you already aren't?
I think you should be able to see who among us knew how Kami would flip. who tried to solve this game with new info and who just needed to lynch the world they need to push
Lol. Don't feel the need to talk to Vezok, Tom?
Also, narrative. Just like Arkham with his Extortion case.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
No I don't. Vezok is solved for me and the game is pretty much solved for him. And were already on the same page anyway.
Duh
But please, make the argument that's scummy somehow
It's great you're pushing your agenda. You have to.
But you are wasting time trying to convince me I'm scum tell grape.
I hear you're making a case and you clearly have to do better than that
I'm not saying that you have to talk to Vezok to solve him. I'm saying you still have to convince him to vote with you since he shouldn't know your alignment. Lol at claiming I'm pushing my agenda even you're pushing yours. That's funny
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm at work and been completely swamped. I haven't had a chance to read anything yet. Wuffles messaged me saying he was convinced tom was scum. His main theory was a tom/vezok team but he wanted to not worry about who was scum between Vez and KJ till tomorrow.
Anyway I really would like to talk this through and I am not comfortable with votes being placed this early. Hoping to be able to post more today but might not be till after work.
Current thought is 2 of KJ, Wuffles, tom. Think Vez is probably just town here.
Ftr, I think "having an agenda" is a bad way to read me especially and completely NAI in this situation. That wasn't accusatory at all.
Like, game is pretty much solved for everyone but grape. It's you/wuffles vs me/vez
(Yes grape I'm ignoring the youscum world completely)
So having an agenda right now is... just true. For all of us.
I'm at work and been completely swamped. I haven't had a chance to read anything yet. Wuffles messaged me saying he was convinced tom was scum. His main theory was a tom/vezok team but he wanted to not worry about who was scum between Vez and KJ till tomorrow.
Anyway I really would like to talk this through and I am not comfortable with votes being placed this early. Hoping to be able to post more today but might not be till after work.
Current thought is 2 of KJ, Wuffles, tom. Think Vez is probably just town here.
hi
Do your thing whatever
But do you actually believe I might be scum with kj or wuffles?
Really?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm at work and been completely swamped. I haven't had a chance to read anything yet. Wuffles messaged me saying he was convinced tom was scum. His main theory was a tom/vezok team but he wanted to not worry about who was scum between Vez and KJ till tomorrow.
Anyway I really would like to talk this through and I am not comfortable with votes being placed this early. Hoping to be able to post more today but might not be till after work.
Current thought is 2 of KJ, Wuffles, tom. Think Vez is probably just town here.
hi
Do your thing whatever
But do you actually believe I might be scum with kj or wuffles?
Really?
Pretty convinced by Wuffles message that it's him and KJ tbh but haven't completely ruled out a you/KJ late bus. Very sure it's not you/wuffles, his D1 reaction to your self meta just wasn't a buddy reaction. It was a visceral gut distaste that came through. Anyway I'd be more relaxed if you unvote but it's not really necessary since the scum team is in the three of you*.
*There are technically you/Vezok worlds but they involve both of you never using your abilities (or at least Vezok not using his, you could use and fail) and no killing for no apparent end and I don't really believe them at all. I'll lose to that team, applaud you for your gambit, and move on.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well that doesn't sound like someone who thought KK could be scum with tom.
Tom and vezok are by far the most likely IMO
Please tell me how it's Kami/vezok
It can't be. You voting anyone but me is all but literally a scum claim
Also you still have no reasons I'm scum in the first place. I am holding you to a higher standard than what you are putting out rn you are better than this when you're town
When Kami flips town there won't be anywhere for you to hide. You and Vezok will be the only two left that are likely scum, since Wuffles just isn't likely scum.
And I said I do not think Kami is scum. I doubt he's scum with Vezok because I don't think he's scum.
You wanna know reasons why you're scum tom? You did literally no gamesolving D1. You decided that LAst and Wuffles HAD to be scum without trying to figure out the two lurkers. And now you're pushing this narrative that me voting Vezok is scummy. Pushing narratives instead of solving games, just like you did in Arkham. I pointed that out but didn't pursue it then. Not making that mistake again.I'll have a case on you ready for DayStart then we can lynch either you or your buddy.
You're too smart to think voting vezok over me is correct
You're too good at this game to be this bad
I'm voting vezok over you because I'm going to have a hard time proving you're scum without Vezok flipping scum first. To see the quality of cases I make, see this have, or my Osie case in ZE. I just can't seem to organize my thoughts well.
But I don't think I'm wrong here.
My problem now is proving it. I'm apparently still bad at that.
With the way vezok claimed and the available roles (he would have to be redirector), he can't be scum with grapefruit because I saw the target. With grape town, claiming is a suicide 1v1 with grape if he had originally targeted anyone but you.
You technically work as ninja if you two thought grape was tracker (or Kami/wuffles if they thought he was watcher and you were the nightkill)
Those are all dumb because he is just giving himself up to grape by trying to townclear him despite a 5 in 6 chance of it proving him scum to grape…
I, on the other hand, can totally be scum without vezok. Behaviorally me/wuffles is nonsense but nothing rules it out mechanically. Me and Kami makes sense with me just trying my best to avoid having to read a hydra and only looking at the [bullshit but maybe correct] reasoning for scumreading them d1 and also no mechanical *****.
Think I even work with last mechanically but that's just not a real world.
Not to mention the actual result of lynching me first which is me flipping town and relegating vezok to *****ty tinfoil worlds.
So I guess what I'm saying here is, regardless of Kami flip, you best come correct tomorrow.
Because I am town with relevant mechanical information and I have apparently decided I care about this game now
If kami is scum I'll reevaluate.
We'd have 2 of [rb/redirect/thief] as roles and... decided to skip it and use none of it? Or tried to kill you and vezok claimed for ????
Like, I know it technically makes sense because I'm the only thing confirming his action but, like, does it?
What's the plan?
He was either the target of the NK or he blocked the NK.
Last is confirmed tracker by the mod.
Lol at KJ's case on me. I'll dismantle it when I get to a computer.
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tomsloger (2) - Wuffles_II, KamikazeKazin
vezokpiraka (1) - Killjoy
KamikazeKazin (p) - 6/22, 1643 MST
Killjoy - 6/23, 0444 MST
Lastwhisper - 6/23, 0009 MST
Grapefruit21 - 6/23, 0016 MST
tomsloger - 6/23, 0437 MST
vezokpiraka - 6/22, 1651 MST
Wuffles_II (p) - 6/22, 0935 MST
Check done at 6/23, 1043 MST
They were TOWN Bulletproof.
Night 2 Start.
Night 2 will end at 1100 MST on Monday, June 25.
Country roads, take me home... to the place where I belong. West Virginia, mountain mamma, take me home... Country roads.
Lastwhisper died last night.
He was... TOWN Tracker
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Day 3 Lynch Deadline will be July 10th at 1200 (Noon) MST with a potential Twilight period of 1 to 24 hours.
I do feel a little vindicated for pushing back on the lurker lynch but I got scurred they would flip scum and gave up and even found something that looked scummy wrt hydra communication. So no credit but some vindication.
Was gonna reread overnight once I got the Kami flip, but I got busy and haven't yet.
It does mean grape wasn't the kill, or at least that vez didn't stop one, since no ninja
So unless they skipped the kill n1, it was either kj killer or kj target.
With 5 alive, eliminating teams should be easy.
Vez about as clear as can be, and should never be lynched before me anyway
Grapes jk is the only explanation for no kill, with the added that he's probably not scum that skipped a kill because he used the jk (unless scum with kj, then we have no confirmation)
So:
Kj/wuffles
Kj/grape
Tom/vezok
Seem to be the only viable teams.
I can eliminate one lol
Kj is on the other two…
And that second one is kinda iffy.
It's probably kj/wuffles. Like, 90%+
I'm gonna prove it.
I'm so excited. I got one right for once.
Hey Tom why should vezok not be lynched before you if he's scum?
Hey vezok I wanna see you "dismantle my case" like you promised to do at end of day.
Let's do this.
Grape is never scum unless he wanted to do minus EV plays. Tom can't be scum with wuffles or KJ so he's also clear.
Last was my only other pick, but he died.
I don't get why the mod thought wuffles targetted KJ though.
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Baker/messenger targets?
When you claimed your watch result, you said grape was targeted by "Vezok and only vezok". Why did you word it that way? We're you expecting others to Target him?
Also I didn't Target anyone last night.
Also also, why didnt you watch the confirmed Townie?
Also also also vezok who did you doc?
I'm just arguing with scum here. Need other people.
Caused I saved grape again. Actually got motivated tonight and I used that other shot to save grape again.
And wouldn't you know it? Somehow the motivator stacks so he could use his ability twice in the same night as it wasn't used day 1. And he gave me another shot. I almost saved last with it, but used it that on grape too after much careful consideration.
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I was briefly sure osi had screwed up again
Also, right. Everyone's one shot. Forgot that.
You say I should 100% be going for you over Vezok. But Why would I go after Vezok as scum when you were almost lynched D1? As scum, I totally could have lynched you.
Need to re-read. I'll wait for Grape to post to confirm.
Last and Kami are dead town.
Grape is almost never scum. Not only has his play been townie generally, there's also the choice of JK target (me) and then him never following that up with a push (which would be the intent of JKing me if he was scum... to block me then claim no kill so therefore I am scum). This play makes no sense given that for it to work they have to gamble on having enough mislynches to make it work.
Wuffles I think is town just because I would absolutely have been an easy scumread after I was blocked and no kill occured. Also I do think he derp cleared himself.
Vezok is scum. Mechanically, he totally could have just protected Grape and that's absolutely a thing that could have happened (ignoring that there is no viable scum left after Wuffles and Grape are clear). I don't beleive he did. I think he is a redirector that didn't use his token and claimed doc so I wouldn't be the only protected person/he knew there wasn't a doc on the town side because redirector. He has also been behaviorally scummy. All he's done is push lynches all game. You can't just call this poor playstyle. There's a brain behind these actions, and the intent is clear. I think I've proven that.
Tom is scum because his early push on Wisp/Wuffles was really bad because he COULD NOT ELIMINATE KK/Ruman from his scumpool. He was just like "These two are scum, no brakes". KK and Ruman barely posted for most of D1. Pushing lynches on Wisp and Wuffles makes no sense from a general town perspective let alone a gamesolve perspective. His push on me today being "He must have TMI'd KK town", "if you were really gamesolving, you'd not be voting Vezok before me", and "two of my PoE's out of three contain KJ, and the other contains me, so its not that" are also the only arguments for my being scum. TMIing KK and his gamesolving argument are simply spin put on my actions. He can't show an actual scum motive for my actions so he has to invent one. Additionally, his gamesolving argument predisposes that I must vote based on mechanics and not behavior... I do not believe Vezok is clear because he claimed Doc, or the timing of that claim. Finally, if all of his PoE's equal me being scum, why hasn't he voted me yet?
Also of note: I still beleive that I caught tom because he was purposely not townreading anyone early game, putting himself in a position to vote onto any wagon as they become convenient. Intent is harder to prove here, but I think it's true.
I will vote either of tom or Vezok today. It's Wuffles like 5% of the time. I'm not gonna play those odds.
KJ I don't think that your attack on Tom not immediately voting in Lylo is a good one. As scum, he'd want to wait for a townie to vote someone before jumping on for the speedlynch, and on the near-0 chance he's town, he'd want to wait to be sure before voting. It's just a bad argument either way dude.
Just lol
Was gonna say it's up to whoever isn't KJs buddy but since wuffles decided I was scum literally page 1 I guess it has to be town grape or it's over anyway
And yes, I was waiting for claims and a reread for due diligence before voting but
Well
**** it
All the proof I need
vote killjoy
What you need to get there if you already aren't?
I think you should be able to see who among us knew how Kami would flip. who tried to solve this game with new info and who just needed to lynch the world they need to push
Also, narrative. Just like Arkham with his Extortion case.
Duh
But please, make the argument that's scummy somehow
It's great you're pushing your agenda. You have to.
But you are wasting time trying to convince me I'm scum tell grape.
I hear you're making a case and you clearly have to do better than that
You and wuffles collectively having nothing on me
Anyway I really would like to talk this through and I am not comfortable with votes being placed this early. Hoping to be able to post more today but might not be till after work.
Current thought is 2 of KJ, Wuffles, tom. Think Vez is probably just town here.
Like, game is pretty much solved for everyone but grape. It's you/wuffles vs me/vez
(Yes grape I'm ignoring the youscum world completely)
So having an agenda right now is... just true. For all of us.
Do your thing whatever
But do you actually believe I might be scum with kj or wuffles?
Really?
Bickering with Tom is pointless though. He's right about that.
Pretty convinced by Wuffles message that it's him and KJ tbh but haven't completely ruled out a you/KJ late bus. Very sure it's not you/wuffles, his D1 reaction to your self meta just wasn't a buddy reaction. It was a visceral gut distaste that came through. Anyway I'd be more relaxed if you unvote but it's not really necessary since the scum team is in the three of you*.
*There are technically you/Vezok worlds but they involve both of you never using your abilities (or at least Vezok not using his, you could use and fail) and no killing for no apparent end and I don't really believe them at all. I'll lose to that team, applaud you for your gambit, and move on.
*does power-wolf secret handshake with grape*