well I did track him, to killjoy, and killjoy was almost unanimously town read, best target for the nk imo
I need someone to confirm if they protected Killjoy tho, cause I know wuffles wasnt jailed since he did move
Unless someone jailed or blocked someone else grape is pretty much cleared.
well if ur claiming doctor, then it can only be jailed, because a roleblocker is scum...
if your gunna claim doctor, then killjoy wasnt the nk, because I cant see a town jailor, going for confirmed town over trying to jail possible scum, at least for me... because when im jailor I search for scum, not town
so if no one confirms protecting killjoy, then I wuffles is cleared from making the night kill...
I was thinking of tracking Tom also, but imo Tom isnt the person to make the night kill, unless he absolutely has to
Grape
were you attacked? not sure if Osie tells you that kind of info?
also im posting more then 3 posts in a row sue me, this game is slow enough to warrant it...
Grape seems like a weird nk target though, he just came in, honestly, @Vez, why did you choose to doctor him out of all people?
So if kj didn't get a message, we know what happened. But probably just did that regardless of alignment
Last could be faking that info but only if buddies with kj (lol) or wuffles (no)
Vezok targeted grape, which is totally who I would have targeted as doc/watcher tbh. Extremely inclined to just believe that but it's only one of 3 possible ways to have no kill (4 if you count scum skipping it since probably most people used actions last night and they know exactly how many info roles we have so that might be valid)
Hot take says: Wuffles as a scum Messenger; under pressure, expected a track/watch to be likely; used Message specifically to try to get town cred from KJ and/or informative roles.
Currently thinking: does vezok come out as doc this early, with no deaths? It could be a clear on grape, but it is not a certain clear by any means, with multiple other protective roles. Is Vezok the kind of player to run out that risk, or is this a gambit? Evaluating.
I'm trying to get all the way caught up so I'll have a more detailed analysis of behavior after reading through this in full. I wanted to toss an apology to everyone in general about my lack of activity. I've had talks with Kami between my own posts, but my wife went in for surgery and it took more out of her than we'd expected so a giant portion of my time has been dedicated to tending to her. So... that said: my reviews so far are cursory.
I've only had the chance to review things since about page six of posting and picked up some stuff. The things currently floating in my head and that I wanna put out for consideration.
1) So, I know that in this one that Scum can communicate, and what the missing role would be, so Vezok claiming doc and not doing a night kill night 1 could be that kind of a gamble. Or it could mean that he's actually a doc this game.
2) I think Vezok in general is a good enough player to make a gambit of skipping a night 1 clear to claim doc this early and clear himself and/or grape in the process.
3) Wuffles felt under heavy suspicion day 1. They might have forgone a night kill on the first day to play to the Vezok/Wuffles scum team being so heavily under suspicion.
This is speculation so far, but I wanted to put something out to the board before more time of inactivity passed.
If no decent mechanical info comes this day, then I want kami dead...
I still have no real townread on them but I've disagreed with all the scumreads
You think that's w/w still?
tbh I have no ******* clue anymore, I'm still so pissed that no one came to hammer, like of course u aren't gunna hammer urself, and then we got kami spewing bs stuff, and you telling me u still have no read on him...
How the **** do u have no read on him???
I feel like I'm being trolled by everyone, the ***** u guys town read and the ***** u guys scum read, just blows my mind
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I didn't use my message last night. I haven't decided who I want to force Osie to serenade with a soulful rendition of "I've got s lovely bunch of coconuts" yet.
Welp, that makes Wisp confirmed town. How's that D1 speedlynch attempt looking now, Scumsloger?
And good work, vezok! You literally could not have been more wrong about Wisp but...I really liked Grape's posts yesterday - except for the meta read on Tom - but I'm stoked that you kept him in the game. He's just a super pleasant person to play a 3000+ mafia speciality with. <3
@KamikazeKazin okay dude wtf are you smoking like this is coming from a guy who assumed that scum had to be in the first five roles like????
@wisp wtf whyyyy are you voting me again. You literally ******* confirmed that I didn't try to kill anyone last night. What does killjoy being jailed have to do with that?!?
I didn't use my message last night. I haven't decided who I want to force Osie to serenade with a soulful rendition of "I've got s lovely bunch of coconuts" yet.
Welp, that makes Wisp confirmed town. How's that D1 speedlynch attempt looking now, Scumsloger?
And good work, vezok! You literally could not have been more wrong about Wisp but...I really liked Grape's posts yesterday - except for the meta read on Tom - but I'm stoked that you kept him in the game. He's just a super pleasant person to play a 3000+ mafia speciality with. <3
... What? Wisp tracked you. To me. But you didn't use an ability?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Because scum can make both the night kill and take an action in the same night... And killjoy confirmed getting jailed, and I confirmed that u ******* targeted killjoy... Are u even reading the game???
And u just said u didn't message anyone? U literally just slipped
I mistyped a name in my notes. Sorry about that. All results have been rectified and the votecount has been reset. Given this error and a general desire to not have to do things earlier in the morning, I'm going to change some times around:
With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
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Osie just confirmed to me via PM that he screwed up,which will soon become obvious I imagine.
I did not message anyone last night. I did not jail anyone last night. I sure as hell am not responsible for the missing kill last night.
I was so secure in the fact that I decided to save my messenger that I MISREAD what you said when you reported those results and assumed your results were "wuffles stayed in last night".
I actively chose not to message anyone last night because it wouldn't confirm me as town. I WAS going to troll Scumsloger by messaging song lyrics to him but like just being onto him so hard was antagonising enough.
Well last is basically mod confirmed tracker at this point.
Town only role.
Still hate wuffles reaction there even though it wasn't true.
Maybe especially?
Like, didn't think last was gambiting scum even for a second?
He probably is messenger though. Would be pretty dumb to claim a provable role but that's an NAI role
Maybe he did derp that those could be scum roles but... I don't really buy it
Hmm. It does look bad that KJ was jailed and no kill occurred, but I just asked osie if in the case that a doc or JK prevented a kill if either the target or the protector would be told - but nobody would be.
So it's possible (and considering how blatantly town KJ was yesterday) that he was targeted by a kill action or that grape was targeted.
So either:
KJ is scum and was prevented from killing last night; or
Grape or KJ is town and we're protected from a kill last night; or
There's a bulletproof in the game that has yet to claim getting his bulletproof codpiece shot off.
I think KamiHydra is looking pretty bad today though. Lurking all of day 1 except for an opportunistic third wagon vote on me followed by that tinfoil day 2?
I'm comfortable with a Vote KamikazeKazin.
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Unless someone jailed or blocked someone else grape is pretty much cleared.
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well I did track him, to killjoy, and killjoy was almost unanimously town read, best target for the nk imo
I need someone to confirm if they protected Killjoy tho, cause I know wuffles wasnt jailed since he did move
if your gunna claim doctor, then killjoy wasnt the nk, because I cant see a town jailor, going for confirmed town over trying to jail possible scum, at least for me... because when im jailor I search for scum, not town
so if no one confirms protecting killjoy, then I wuffles is cleared from making the night kill...
I was thinking of tracking Tom also, but imo Tom isnt the person to make the night kill, unless he absolutely has to
were you attacked? not sure if Osie tells you that kind of info?
also im posting more then 3 posts in a row sue me, this game is slow enough to warrant it...
Grape seems like a weird nk target though, he just came in, honestly, @Vez, why did you choose to doctor him out of all people?
So if kj didn't get a message, we know what happened. But probably just did that regardless of alignment
Last could be faking that info but only if buddies with kj (lol) or wuffles (no)
Vezok targeted grape, which is totally who I would have targeted as doc/watcher tbh. Extremely inclined to just believe that but it's only one of 3 possible ways to have no kill (4 if you count scum skipping it since probably most people used actions last night and they know exactly how many info roles we have so that might be valid)
And my track can see both the factional kill and the players own ability, if they target different people...
Hot take says: Wuffles as a scum Messenger; under pressure, expected a track/watch to be likely; used Message specifically to try to get town cred from KJ and/or informative roles.
Currently thinking: does vezok come out as doc this early, with no deaths? It could be a clear on grape, but it is not a certain clear by any means, with multiple other protective roles. Is Vezok the kind of player to run out that risk, or is this a gambit? Evaluating.
- Kami
I've only had the chance to review things since about page six of posting and picked up some stuff. The things currently floating in my head and that I wanna put out for consideration.
1) So, I know that in this one that Scum can communicate, and what the missing role would be, so Vezok claiming doc and not doing a night kill night 1 could be that kind of a gamble. Or it could mean that he's actually a doc this game.
2) I think Vezok in general is a good enough player to make a gambit of skipping a night 1 clear to claim doc this early and clear himself and/or grape in the process.
3) Wuffles felt under heavy suspicion day 1. They might have forgone a night kill on the first day to play to the Vezok/Wuffles scum team being so heavily under suspicion.
This is speculation so far, but I wanted to put something out to the board before more time of inactivity passed.
-Kazin
I feel like last is town just for the claim. Tom seems like he has no external info.
Grape is town cause I protected him.
The leaves Kami, wuffles and killjoy.
I really think it's kami/killjoy.
In normal circumstances I'd be ok with me getting lynched to confirm grape as town, but he'll just get killed tonight and we end up with nothing.
Also I protected grape cause he was my second steongest townread after wuffles and I thought there is no chance for the scum to NK wuffles.
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Anyone should claim if they were roleblocked, redirected, or stolen from.
Probably should claim if you received a baked good but that's meh
Jk/watcher/
tracker/docshould probably just crumbI should've just tracked u... Holy hell
You think that's w/w still?
How the **** do u have no read on him???
I feel like I'm being trolled by everyone, the ***** u guys town read and the ***** u guys scum read, just blows my mind
And another thing, tell me what u did last night Tom, no or nothing is not an option, I will scum read you till the end of this Earth, if u refuse
No one put wuffles into L1 yet, I swear to god
We need to discuss
Welp, that makes Wisp confirmed town. How's that D1 speedlynch attempt looking now, Scumsloger?
And good work, vezok! You literally could not have been more wrong about Wisp but...I really liked Grape's posts yesterday - except for the meta read on Tom - but I'm stoked that you kept him in the game. He's just a super pleasant person to play a 3000+ mafia speciality with. <3
@wisp wtf whyyyy are you voting me again. You literally ******* confirmed that I didn't try to kill anyone last night. What does killjoy being jailed have to do with that?!?
Damn it Wuffles.
And u just said u didn't message anyone? U literally just slipped
If I read that right wuffles confirmed scum trying to kill Kj?
Which confirms last (two ways). Kj, and the jk as town?
That seems too good to be true
I can't see Tom bussing for no reason, so he's out, plus their interactions??? No way they are scum together
Ya it's def Vez, that would explain his sudden change to kami yesterday
I swear to God wisp if you're gambitting here I will eat your god-damn mailbox.
Good job claiming scum.
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So last tracked wuffles to kj
Wuffles claims no action
And wuffles first reaction is last is gambiting?
Maybe not too good to be true
And I would assume kj would only know he was [roleblocked or jailed] but could be wrong
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Choo choo
You are scum, u slipped, go down like a man
OSIE I SWEAR TO GOD...
WUFFLES DID NOT TARGET ANYONE
I REPEAT EUFFLES DID NOT TARGEG ANYONE
Also wuffles u are stupid for not using ur message...
I still wanna smack u for that
Ok
Then I'm back to @kj how you know you were jailed?
Osie just confirmed to me via PM that he screwed up,which will soon become obvious I imagine.
I did not message anyone last night. I did not jail anyone last night. I sure as hell am not responsible for the missing kill last night.
I was so secure in the fact that I decided to save my messenger that I MISREAD what you said when you reported those results and assumed your results were "wuffles stayed in last night".
I actively chose not to message anyone last night because it wouldn't confirm me as town. I WAS going to troll Scumsloger by messaging song lyrics to him but like just being onto him so hard was antagonising enough.
Roles and alignment are chosen separately with roles being done first
Can wuffles still be scum? Maybe, but he certainly didn't make the night kill..
Osie....
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Town only role.
Still hate wuffles reaction there even though it wasn't true.
Maybe especially?
Like, didn't think last was gambiting scum even for a second?
He probably is messenger though. Would be pretty dumb to claim a provable role but that's an NAI role
Maybe he did derp that those could be scum roles but... I don't really buy it
So it's possible (and considering how blatantly town KJ was yesterday) that he was targeted by a kill action or that grape was targeted.
So either:
KJ is scum and was prevented from killing last night; or
Grape or KJ is town and we're protected from a kill last night; or
There's a bulletproof in the game that has yet to claim getting his bulletproof codpiece shot off.
I think KamiHydra is looking pretty bad today though. Lurking all of day 1 except for an opportunistic third wagon vote on me followed by that tinfoil day 2?
I'm comfortable with a Vote KamikazeKazin.