And I think Vaimes is town. We also thought Senteza was going to be the nightkill if the scum didn't want to kill one of Vaimes/grape/Iso or either of them were scum.
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Put another way: as far as gamesolving goes, Sentenza has been remarkably independent for a first-timer. This suggests to me either that 1) she is discussing the game with people outside of the thread, i.e. scumchat, or 2) she doesn't need to engage with villagers to solve the game because she already knows who's scum.
You've been so close to realise that Senteza is my buddy and then your tunneling blinded you and you thought she was scum. I can't really see scum doing something like this.
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More food for though. If i thought dota and sentz were connected, right (masons or scum.. but if i am scum obviously masons)? and sentz was super town.. why the **** did scumteam not kill sentz?
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More food for though. If i thought dota and sentz were connected, right (masons or scum.. but if i am scum obviously masons)? and sentz was super town.. why the **** did scumteam not kill sentz?
That's actually a great point for Rodemy not being scum.
So tubba/grape/killjoy?
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So if I think Vezo and Sent are masons and that Mikey and DBS are slipped town that leaves me a pool of Tubba, Dota, Vaimes, KJ, Iso, and Rodemy.
Iso is probably town based on the Dan shot. KJ is just town here.
Tubba, Dota, Vaimes, Rod. Rod to me is the most obvious scum of the bunch. Let's make this wagon happen.
And if I accept that you're probably town, the exact team is Tubba/DoTA/Rod, which is kind of depressing.
Speaking of which, DoTA is gonna have fun catching up on all this.
Which im not scum so it's wrong?
i guess i was right about dota being scum and i gotta read tubba (*****)
but like, it kinda looks like i am d2 lynch which i am actually okay with since i got personal ***** goin on and i don't want to replace.
Lack of interest in this game the past few days has caused me to play poorly and i apologize. I got a lot goin on.
But hey, go ahead and kill me. i'll flip town and you can go from there. This game is actually beyond my level of thinking anyway.
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More food for though. If i thought dota and sentz were connected, right (masons or scum.. but if i am scum obviously masons)? and sentz was super town.. why the **** did scumteam not kill sentz?
That's actually a great point for Rodemy not being scum.
So tubba/grape/killjoy?
What about ISO's entrance into the game where he absolutely buries a townie? Then puts on a clinic and gets the masons to out themselves?
Seems like a fair trade to me.
All we know for sure is that there are 3 wolves inside [Iso, Killjoy, Grapefruit, Vaimes, dawningbluesky, Rodemy, Tubba_Fett, Emcee_Mikey].
I mean.
I'm town. Strike.
Iso knew who the Masons were since RVS. Double strike.
If Rod were scum and thought you and DoTA were connected from the moment the game started and refused to let it go for pages and pages, he most definitely would have shot you. Strike.
That leaves [Killjoy, Grapefruit, dawningbluesky, Tubba_Fett, Emcee_Mikey]
I guess if the team is something like dbs/Mikey/Tubba, I could see dbs looking for outside sources to help understand the setup, or Mikey thinking that Grape was seriously claiming Mason. I think it's less likely than them just being uninformed.
But even then, that's still five names, and we can autolynch all of them without losing, prioritizing the people who /haven't/ dumbtelled.
More food for though. If i thought dota and sentz were connected, right (masons or scum.. but if i am scum obviously masons)? and sentz was super town.. why the **** did scumteam not kill sentz?
If they weren’t the Masons, the real Masons would counterclaim the entire scumteam right now.
Also, you called DoT scum. What?
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I’m fine with lynching any order of Rodemy, Killjoy, Vaimes, Grapefruit, and Tubba. Rodemy says he’s having IRL issues (which I can confirm, and wish him the best with those) so let’s put him out of his misery, first.
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So if I think Vezo and Sent are masons and that Mikey and DBS are slipped town that leaves me a pool of Tubba, Dota, Vaimes, KJ, Iso, and Rodemy.
Iso is probably town based on the Dan shot. KJ is just town here.
Tubba, Dota, Vaimes, Rod. Rod to me is the most obvious scum of the bunch. Let's make this wagon happen.
And if I accept that you're probably town, the exact team is Tubba/DoTA/Rod, which is kind of depressing.
Speaking of which, DoTA is gonna have fun catching up on all this.
Which im not scum so it's wrong?
i guess i was right about dota being scum and i gotta read tubba (*****)
but like, it kinda looks like i am d2 lynch which i am actually okay with since i got personal ***** goin on and i don't want to replace.
Lack of interest in this game the past few days has caused me to play poorly and i apologize. I got a lot goin on.
But hey, go ahead and kill me. i'll flip town and you can go from there. This game is actually beyond my level of thinking anyway.
Rodemy is my spirit animal. If you don't want to kill him kill me.
The lack of activity is making me nervous- are we done with this conversation? How about spending some time rereading and identifying the most likely partnerships available?
It literally does not matter, as long as you and dbs are town. We have enough lynches to kill the entire PoE. Scum aren’t going to argue against it because there’s not enough mislynches for them to win.
There isn’t really any point in further analysis or discussion when victory is pretty much certain. There’s over a thousand posts for you to analyze now, in light of claims and behavior, if you really want to.
There are eleven players alive right now. Three of them are Masons. That leaves eight names.
Iso identified the Masons on D1 and none of them died. That leaves seven names.
You and dbs made slips that heavily imply you have no inside information. That leaves five names.
It's a little less certain, but Rod seemed to heavily suspect that DoTA and Sentenza were connected since the beginning of the game. If he were scum, he would naturally suspect that they're Masons. Given Sentenza was already everyone's top townread, Rod likely would have pushed to kill her or DoTA over dan. So that leaves four names.
Normally I'd insert "I'm town, that leaves three names: the exact scumteam" here, but it doesn't really matter. Town has three lynches left and four (or five, if you count Rod) names for the mafia to hide in. Mafia only have two mislynches before the whole team is completely exposed. It is impossible for us to lose.
(I guess you could argue that Iso is scum and purposefully didn't shoot the Masons to make his victory funnier, but I don't think he's that much of a troll.)
There are eleven players alive right now. Three of them are Masons. That leaves eight names.
Iso identified the Masons on D1 and none of them died. That leaves seven names.
You and dbs made slips that heavily imply you have no inside information. That leaves five names.
It's a little less certain, but Rod seemed to heavily suspect that DoTA and Sentenza were connected since the beginning of the game. If he were scum, he would naturally suspect that they're Masons. Given Sentenza was already everyone's top townread, Rod likely would have pushed to kill her or DoTA over dan. So that leaves four names.
Normally I'd insert "I'm town, that leaves three names: the exact scumteam" here, but it doesn't really matter. Town has three lynches left and four (or five, if you count Rod) names for the mafia to hide in. Mafia only have two mislynches before the whole team is completely exposed. It is impossible for us to lose.
Iso identified one mason. (Vezok)
Vezok basically outed the rest.
There were no counterclaims, but I don't see the other masons claiming either. It's not so much about ISO being a troll as playing a pretty effective scum gambit to uncover masons.
There are eleven players alive right now. Three of them are Masons. That leaves eight names.
Iso identified the Masons on D1 and none of them died. That leaves seven names.
You and dbs made slips that heavily imply you have no inside information. That leaves five names.
It's a little less certain, but Rod seemed to heavily suspect that DoTA and Sentenza were connected since the beginning of the game. If he were scum, he would naturally suspect that they're Masons. Given Sentenza was already everyone's top townread, Rod likely would have pushed to kill her or DoTA over dan. So that leaves four names.
Normally I'd insert "I'm town, that leaves three names: the exact scumteam" here, but it doesn't really matter. Town has three lynches left and four (or five, if you count Rod) names for the mafia to hide in. Mafia only have two mislynches before the whole team is completely exposed. It is impossible for us to lose.
Iso identified one mason. (Vezok)
Vezok basically outed the rest.
There were no counterclaims, but I don't see the other masons claiming either. It's not so much about ISO being a troll as playing a pretty effective scum gambit to uncover masons.
Iso knew I was a mason from almost my first post. He also correctly identified Dota as my buddy and could probably identify Senteza as well if he cared enough to read the thread again. There was no need to actually out the masons as they were already outed.
And if you want to claim that Iso is scum, you're gonna have to do a lot better than this.
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Didn't you establish that they WEREN'T connected?
@vaimes the paranoia is starting to creep in, logic says this game is solved by Poe but not all scumteams in that five are an option.
Okay I realized I'm basically arguing for no reason, there has to be 3 scum in that five
Help pls the paranoid
There's no way iso is scum here, right? Clearly he knew vezok was a mason, and I just don't see that going anywhere except a vezok nightkill if he is.
And then one wolf gamely giving it the old college try inside Grapefruit21/Kliljoy.
The second most likely world would be the relatively boring "lurksack wolves" world where "sort by postcount, become ww expert" would be basiclaly correct, and all the wolves are below DoTArchon's name there.
A substantial step down from those two would be two or more wolves in the higher range of posters. Grapefruit21/Rodemy, Killjoy/Mikey, something like that, and then one in the lurkers. I don't see this as very likely at this point.
There's this post here which makes a pretty strong connection between Senteza and Dota. Also ties me into it.
Sentenza's sort by postcount post is not one I like at all. Why cut off at DBS? Why does Dota's 5 extra posts put him in a different group? What about Vezok's 5 more than that? The cutoff feels very arbitrary. As do the teams. I realize this looks like OMGUS since I was a common member of the non low poster teams but it's an arbitrary set of groups to me.
Grape catches this in just 5 posts. If grape is scum, he really dropped the ball on this one.
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Didn't you establish that they WEREN'T connected?
@vaimes the paranoia is starting to creep in, logic says this game is solved by Poe but not all scumteams in that five are an option.
Okay I realized I'm basically arguing for no reason, there has to be 3 scum in that five
Help pls the paranoid
There's no way iso is scum here, right? Clearly he knew vezok was a mason, and I just don't see that going anywhere except a vezok nightkill if he is.
He was establishing that they were trying to distance themselves
Treating the game as solved at this point seemed premature. Like, my strongest read in this game is that Rumanshi is mafia, and yes, I'm speaking in the present tense.
Exactly
The fact that everyone is agreeing on the PoE, completely writing off Emcee_Mikey and Dawningbluesky for dumbtells, of all things, doesn't seem to be fundamentally sound play.
All we know for sure is that there are 3 wolves inside [Iso, Killjoy, Grapefruit, Vaimes, dawningbluesky, Rodemy, Tubba_Fett, Emcee_Mikey].
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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Can we talk about how rod said he couldn't have made the nightkill because he knew dota and sentz were masons together?
But that isn't what he actually said?
@Grape
I don't understand what you mean by connected, but I'm starting to see it in a new light.
@Sentenza
idk Rodemy well, but Rumanshi is an example for how town might post.
looking back at my previous reads, I'm probably down to Tubba/Killjoy/Grape with a chance of Rodemy. Iso stays in nulls since I'm positive/negative about him.
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i guess i was right about dota being scum and i gotta read tubba (*****)
but like, it kinda looks like i am d2 lynch which i am actually okay with since i got personal ***** goin on and i don't want to replace.
Lack of interest in this game the past few days has caused me to play poorly and i apologize. I got a lot goin on.
But hey, go ahead and kill me. i'll flip town and you can go from there. This game is actually beyond my level of thinking anyway.
Open question for those who know him:
Is Rodemy the type of player who would feel gross making this post as mafia, or would he not care / lack the self-awareness to see why it's gross?
i guess i was right about dota being scum and i gotta read tubba (*****)
but like, it kinda looks like i am d2 lynch which i am actually okay with since i got personal ***** goin on and i don't want to replace.
Lack of interest in this game the past few days has caused me to play poorly and i apologize. I got a lot goin on.
But hey, go ahead and kill me. i'll flip town and you can go from there. This game is actually beyond my level of thinking anyway.
Open question for those who know him:
Is Rodemy the type of player who would feel gross making this post as mafia, or would he not care / lack the self-awareness to see why it's gross?
I don't think it's out of his scum range to make this post. That doesn't necessarily mean he's scum but yeah.
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What else is there to discuss, at this point? Let's machine gun some lynches together. Killjoy or Rodemy, guys?
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I said this in OTG IV, but I hate the long deadlines. We've got a PoE and a plan to victory; we should use our time to cover all our bases, but I don't see anything worrying me (people are placing a bit too much weight on the dumbtells, but DBS isn't really scummy to me unless killjoy flips scum and at that point I can put her back in the PoE). I'm ready to get it done tbh. I hate that lategame feeling of "NOTHING IS HAPPENING TODAAAAAAAAAAAY" and it just drags on for no good reason.
I said this in OTG IV, but I hate the long deadlines. We've got a PoE and a plan to victory; we should use our time to cover all our bases, but I don't see anything worrying me (people are placing a bit too much weight on the dumbtells, but DBS isn't really scummy to me unless killjoy flips scum and at that point I can put her back in the PoE). I'm ready to get it done tbh. I hate that lategame feeling of "NOTHING IS HAPPENING TODAAAAAAAAAAAY" and it just drags on for no good reason.
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That's when the town tends to ***** itself and waft around in the aroma, making a lot of bad decisions in the process.
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Well I am for sure gonna be doing it in parts as I just got off a stretch of 3 hour sleep days. Unless I get all this done in one sitting. Which I've never really done before? We will see though.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So. I'm still in the camp that there were two scum on the wagon and one off, unless the scum are exactly in tubba/dawn/mikey. I doubt it's exactly those three because because I doubt Mikey is scum.
Current Worlds: 2(1?) in Vaimes/Iso/Rodemy/Grape, 1(2????) in Tubba/Dawn. (It's possible that they're both scum but very unlikely I think?)
Mikey:The way he mixed up me and Vaimes comes to mind as something I can't really see scum doing if they're self-aware.
(Sidenote: Mikey-Vaimes world less liekly due to this.) There was also his confusion
So, that means there's very likely one scum in Tubba/Dawn.
Dawn: An ISO of Dawn reveals her doing... not a whole hell of a lot. She's been half-pushing Vaimes all day with a little push on Mikey. I'm actively townreading both of these people.
She's being cleared for not knowing if masons are town, yes? I disagree with the idea that she could have asked that in the scumchat, because why would she? Its also of note that she's against mason covers and wants to find the vts.
Although. Reading a bit into her posts make me think that maybe she just... doesn't have access to any kind of scumchat. Her @Rodemy in 582 is what's most strongly making me think this. It's just a... weird thought to have if you have people on your scumteam who know better.
Tubba: He spends a LOT of time saying Rod is town. So Tubba/Rod is less likely. Scum don't generally spend so much time telling us that their buddies are town.Tubba/Vaimes also pretty unlikely, as bussing him makes no sense.
Don't flatter yourself sweetie, I'm just a sucker for hearing my name.
Seriously, I was writing that post in response to a previous post and serendipitously ended up right behind you.
If you think Vaimes reads are bad, so bad that you were willing to vote him for how bad they are, why were you so quick to drop it and switch onto ISO?
... he said, suspiciously, to the confirmed villager.
Silly me, I must have missed the flip...
You're certainly confident enough with certain aspects of the game, particularly smearing and shading other players. Maybe Vaimes has a point.
This is kind of... idk. Saying his top scumread has a point about another of his supposed scumreads (especially one that's now confirmed town) feels weird.
I also have a hard time believing he actually believes that the claiming masons are actually the claiming scum unless he himself is a mason... which no one is confirming with him. So it's probably not the case.
He is by far the most likely scum off the Ruma wagon. Vote Tubba
With tubba being scum, it's probably just exactly Tubba/Iso/Grape. If I'm wrong about either of Rod or Vaimes being scum with him, its more likely Vaimes than Rod. Half-scumread is more likely something one does to their buddy than hard townread.
So now the actual wagon.
Vaimes: Postcount aside, his progression on me seems. natural.My biggest issue with his play is his streams of conciousness that include "I'm town". That's not a thought I usually have as town because I'm not usually thinking about my alignment when playing this game as town. Otherwise he's fine. More likely town than not.
Iso: Like. IDK how to actually read Iso. Maybe the only way is to judge based off his results. He was profoundly wrong (and kinda insulting) on Ruman. IDK if scum!Iso commits that hard to what he knows is a town wagon though.I mean. Maybe not? He certainly tries to say he found the masons d1 and therefore can't be scum, but I see a world where he catches them, doesn't kill them specifically so he can make that argument. Still probably the weakest of the three in my PoE as likely scum.
Rodemy: I think Rod is town. His general lack of self-awareness is town. Similar to Mikey. Also if tubba is scum then he's probably town.
Grape: I'm actually not actively scumreading him. Its pretty much all PoE.Probably the most scummy thing I've seen him do is stick to the mason cover with me for longer than I'd expect. I actually thought he was joking until he kept doing it.
So, yea.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Jfc, I googled the same guide Dawn did regarding masons possibly being scum, I just never brought it up in game... If that's enough to clear Dawn then we deserve to lose. This ship is sinking because we are being led around by the nose. I know I haven't exactly been a big help, but these clears are ridiculous. Like, we're really just going to take ISO for his word that he "solved" the masons d1? HE SAID I WAS A MASON! (I'm not, fwiw) Clearly he was wrong, but everything else is gospel???
We need to be thinking a lot more critically, there are some pretty dominant players in this game, and I know that I'm personally right around scrub level. I think part of the reason scum is hard to find, is they haven't really had to do anything. Day 1 Ruma implodes, day 2 could be an easy mislynch on a lurker, they just need to make it stick. Vote me off, but make them work for it at least.
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You've been so close to realise that Senteza is my buddy and then your tunneling blinded you and you thought she was scum. I can't really see scum doing something like this.
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what were they smoking
That's actually a great point for Rodemy not being scum.
So tubba/grape/killjoy?
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Unvote, vote Tubba
as top poster, his post count offends me
Which im not scum so it's wrong?
i guess i was right about dota being scum and i gotta read tubba (*****)
but like, it kinda looks like i am d2 lynch which i am actually okay with since i got personal ***** goin on and i don't want to replace.
Lack of interest in this game the past few days has caused me to play poorly and i apologize. I got a lot goin on.
But hey, go ahead and kill me. i'll flip town and you can go from there. This game is actually beyond my level of thinking anyway.
oh right. Mikey.
kj Grape and Mikey.
vote killjoy
That's all i got.
What about ISO's entrance into the game where he absolutely buries a townie? Then puts on a clinic and gets the masons to out themselves?
Seems like a fair trade to me.
Dota is my buddy. He can't be scum.
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I'm town. Strike.
Iso knew who the Masons were since RVS. Double strike.
If Rod were scum and thought you and DoTA were connected from the moment the game started and refused to let it go for pages and pages, he most definitely would have shot you. Strike.
That leaves [Killjoy, Grapefruit, dawningbluesky, Tubba_Fett, Emcee_Mikey]
I guess if the team is something like dbs/Mikey/Tubba, I could see dbs looking for outside sources to help understand the setup, or Mikey thinking that Grape was seriously claiming Mason. I think it's less likely than them just being uninformed.
But even then, that's still five names, and we can autolynch all of them without losing, prioritizing the people who /haven't/ dumbtelled.
3 friends?
Possible slip from Grapefruit?
¿Por que no los dos?
Seems to be the case.
If they weren’t the Masons, the real Masons would counterclaim the entire scumteam right now.
Also, you called DoT scum. What?
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I’m fine with lynching any order of Rodemy, Killjoy, Vaimes, Grapefruit, and Tubba. Rodemy says he’s having IRL issues (which I can confirm, and wish him the best with those) so let’s put him out of his misery, first.
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Kj (3): sentenza, mikey, rodemy
Mikey (2): dota, rod
Rodemy (2): grape, iso
Iso (1): kj
Vaimes (1): tubba
Tubba (1): vaimes
Not voting: vezok
Never mind most of the effort was a complete waste, besides demonstrating how far off the mark it's possible to go.
sigh
Rodemy is my spirit animal. If you don't want to kill him kill me.
HOLY ******* ***** I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!????
There isn’t really any point in further analysis or discussion when victory is pretty much certain. There’s over a thousand posts for you to analyze now, in light of claims and behavior, if you really want to.
Iso identified the Masons on D1 and none of them died. That leaves seven names.
You and dbs made slips that heavily imply you have no inside information. That leaves five names.
It's a little less certain, but Rod seemed to heavily suspect that DoTA and Sentenza were connected since the beginning of the game. If he were scum, he would naturally suspect that they're Masons. Given Sentenza was already everyone's top townread, Rod likely would have pushed to kill her or DoTA over dan. So that leaves four names.
Normally I'd insert "I'm town, that leaves three names: the exact scumteam" here, but it doesn't really matter. Town has three lynches left and four (or five, if you count Rod) names for the mafia to hide in. Mafia only have two mislynches before the whole team is completely exposed. It is impossible for us to lose.
Iso identified one mason. (Vezok)
Vezok basically outed the rest.
There were no counterclaims, but I don't see the other masons claiming either. It's not so much about ISO being a troll as playing a pretty effective scum gambit to uncover masons.
Also dbs is probably not scum for his reaction.
Iso knew I was a mason from almost my first post. He also correctly identified Dota as my buddy and could probably identify Senteza as well if he cared enough to read the thread again. There was no need to actually out the masons as they were already outed.
And if you want to claim that Iso is scum, you're gonna have to do a lot better than this.
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And they didn't die.
@vaimes the paranoia is starting to creep in, logic says this game is solved by Poe but not all scumteams in that five are an option.
Okay I realized I'm basically arguing for no reason, there has to be 3 scum in that five
Help pls the paranoid
There's no way iso is scum here, right? Clearly he knew vezok was a mason, and I just don't see that going anywhere except a vezok nightkill if he is.
There's this post here which makes a pretty strong connection between Senteza and Dota. Also ties me into it.
Grape catches this in just 5 posts. If grape is scum, he really dropped the ball on this one.
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He was establishing that they were trying to distance themselves
Need to think.
how did Vaimes and Tubba end up voting each other?
Be grateful, always."
Are we really calling this catching that they are connected? It looks like it can't decide if it's an unaligning post or a distancing one.
This is what I remembered.
unvote
Vote: Rodemy
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sorry
if this is against rules or anything
Can we talk about how rod said he couldn't have made the nightkill because he knew dota and sentz were masons together?
But that isn't what he actually said?
I don't understand what you mean by connected, but I'm starting to see it in a new light.
@Sentenza
idk Rodemy well, but Rumanshi is an example for how town might post.
looking back at my previous reads, I'm probably down to Tubba/Killjoy/Grape with a chance of Rodemy. Iso stays in nulls since I'm positive/negative about him.
Vote: Killjoy
for counterwagons
Be grateful, always."
What makes it gross?
It's almost as though we've already had this conversation.
I don't think it's out of his scum range to make this post. That doesn't necessarily mean he's scum but yeah.
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What else is there to discuss, at this point? Let's machine gun some lynches together. Killjoy or Rodemy, guys?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do we have a deadline?
Didn't realize you were making a post. When's it expected?
+1
That's when the town tends to ***** itself and waft around in the aroma, making a lot of bad decisions in the process.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So. I'm still in the camp that there were two scum on the wagon and one off, unless the scum are exactly in tubba/dawn/mikey. I doubt it's exactly those three because because I doubt Mikey is scum.
Current Worlds: 2(1?) in Vaimes/Iso/Rodemy/Grape, 1(2????) in Tubba/Dawn. (It's possible that they're both scum but very unlikely I think?)
Mikey:The way he mixed up me and Vaimes comes to mind as something I can't really see scum doing if they're self-aware.
(Sidenote: Mikey-Vaimes world less liekly due to this.) There was also his confusion
So, that means there's very likely one scum in Tubba/Dawn.
Dawn: An ISO of Dawn reveals her doing... not a whole hell of a lot. She's been half-pushing Vaimes all day with a little push on Mikey. I'm actively townreading both of these people.
She's being cleared for not knowing if masons are town, yes? I disagree with the idea that she could have asked that in the scumchat, because why would she? Its also of note that she's against mason covers and wants to find the vts.
Although. Reading a bit into her posts make me think that maybe she just... doesn't have access to any kind of scumchat. Her @Rodemy in 582 is what's most strongly making me think this. It's just a... weird thought to have if you have people on your scumteam who know better.
Tubba: He spends a LOT of time saying Rod is town. So Tubba/Rod is less likely. Scum don't generally spend so much time telling us that their buddies are town.Tubba/Vaimes also pretty unlikely, as bussing him makes no sense.
I also have a hard time believing he actually believes that the claiming masons are actually the claiming scum unless he himself is a mason... which no one is confirming with him. So it's probably not the case.
He is by far the most likely scum off the Ruma wagon. Vote Tubba
With tubba being scum, it's probably just exactly Tubba/Iso/Grape. If I'm wrong about either of Rod or Vaimes being scum with him, its more likely Vaimes than Rod. Half-scumread is more likely something one does to their buddy than hard townread.
So now the actual wagon.
Vaimes: Postcount aside, his progression on me seems. natural.My biggest issue with his play is his streams of conciousness that include "I'm town". That's not a thought I usually have as town because I'm not usually thinking about my alignment when playing this game as town. Otherwise he's fine. More likely town than not.
Iso: Like. IDK how to actually read Iso. Maybe the only way is to judge based off his results. He was profoundly wrong (and kinda insulting) on Ruman. IDK if scum!Iso commits that hard to what he knows is a town wagon though.I mean. Maybe not? He certainly tries to say he found the masons d1 and therefore can't be scum, but I see a world where he catches them, doesn't kill them specifically so he can make that argument. Still probably the weakest of the three in my PoE as likely scum.
Rodemy: I think Rod is town. His general lack of self-awareness is town. Similar to Mikey. Also if tubba is scum then he's probably town.
Grape: I'm actually not actively scumreading him. Its pretty much all PoE.Probably the most scummy thing I've seen him do is stick to the mason cover with me for longer than I'd expect. I actually thought he was joking until he kept doing it.
So, yea.
We need to be thinking a lot more critically, there are some pretty dominant players in this game, and I know that I'm personally right around scrub level. I think part of the reason scum is hard to find, is they haven't really had to do anything. Day 1 Ruma implodes, day 2 could be an easy mislynch on a lurker, they just need to make it stick. Vote me off, but make them work for it at least.