KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Vezok has been under suspicion for at least half of this game day. Dota only recently came under suspicion, mostly because of his behavior toward Vezok. To posit that he's a counterwagon here makes no sense.
Town!KillJoy has conviction in his reads. He totally lacks that here. The one thin giving me pause is his time constraints, but still... I would expect him to be like Proph with catch-up posts that go somewhere instead of what he’s doing.
Yeah, so many of his posts, were like, "wellllll maaaybeeeee this person is scum (or town)"
Actually, Rhand. Town!KJ has terrible reads and is conscious of that fact. Calling me scum for not being sure that people's hidden alignments are accurate seems dumb.
That never restrained you from pushing what you believed was true. I have experienced that first-hand mumtiple times, no matter my alignment.
In this game you’re just coasting.
I'm trying to read people better. I'm not just gonna push people I don't fully believe are scum just because I used to?
And yet you were surprised I didn’t see town!you and put me in your scumleans for that while you are consciously playing different?
I don’t believe you.
Vezok has been under suspicion for at least half of this game day. Dota only recently came under suspicion, mostly because of his behavior toward Vezok. To posit that he's a counterwagon here makes no sense.
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I really only want to lynch KJ or Wuffles out of this bunch.
@Everyone: look at the inconsistency between why KJ reads me as scum (claiming I know town!him and I don’t see that here) and him consciously having changed his towngame.
First of all I'm not scumreading you. I'm giving you a sideways glance because your expected behavior =/= your actual behavior. Does it mean your scum? Not always, but it could. So I'm keeping an eye on you.
And I;m trying not to just jump down a rabbit hole of bad reads. That's a thing I've been trying to do for the past several games. I'm just... succeeding more here. Unless Proph is town then I'm still failing.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I really only want to lynch KJ or Wuffles out of this bunch.
@Everyone: look at the inconsistency between why KJ reads me as scum (claiming I know town!him and I don’t see that here) and him consciously having changed his towngame.
inconsistent is my least favorite mafia buzzword
I don't find that scummy. Saying ***** like "you should know I'm town" has never been anything but bravado anyway
Sorry killjoy, I thought you voted vezok because you ended your town/scum list with "So, I have a hardon for voting Proph, but will vote Vezok." - it's really hard for me to distinguish bolded and non-bold text on MTGS so I thought you voted vezok.
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I do not like a vezok lynch because I am not a fan of the people on his wagon. (DoTA, shadow, killjoy). Like, if he ends up being lynched and flips scum, then I'll take the blame, but just from general wagon momentum I'd be somewhat surprised if he was scum.
Would prefer a DoTA or killjoy lynch Today if we want to actually hit red.
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For the record I think Dota is a bad lynch. I have no proof at all but I just don't think the way he hopped on the Vezok wagon is scummy. And it irks me that people are this interested in Dota but there is zero interest in Atog when he actually garnered scum reads from people. Not just stale reads and then a wagon vote.
Togs will get replaced by Megiddo, who is very easy to read, or modkilled. He's a self-resolving slot in my opinion. I'm a little annoyed that he can't commit to a full game on MTGS since I /do/ enjoy playing with him when he's invested in the game but meh.
I read your case on DoTA but.. I don't see how his particular mechanical focus makes him townie? He also just. Hasn't really been Around to provide thoughts and stuff.
killjoy tell me why exactly you think vezok is mafia. All you posted in your town/scum list was this:
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Vezok-Early game I had a light scumread on him, but again that was a while ago. He's actually here because I feel like he and Proph are scum together. Proph's suggestion that I am scum feels like he's trying to detract from vezok's wagon. Specifically, the timing of Proph's suggestion that there be a wagon on me instead of a wagon on [Vezok/Grape] but I think Grape is town, so. Also of note, I kinda trust Iso more than him.
..Which is basically just all "these are reasons why Proph and vezok are scum together" moreso than "this is why I think vezok is a bad guy and needs to be lynched"
Rhand tell me - if you think vezok is town, who do you think is scum pushing that wagon? (Silvercrys3467, DoTArchon, KamikazeArchon, shadowlancerx, Grapefruit21)
I know that you think Wuffles is scum and that he is on the DoTA wagon.
@osieorb @D_V - what happens if a wagon fails to reach the requisite 10 votes? Will we no lynch or will the person with the highest number of votes be lynched?
Vezok has been under suspicion for at least half of this game day. Dota only recently came under suspicion, mostly because of his behavior toward Vezok. To posit that he's a counterwagon here makes no sense.
This is why Cyan is town. Solid reasoning.
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@proph: I don’t think there are even enough people for those lynches. Unless like 3-4 more people show up. As it is, you+Rhand+Tom only gets Vezok to 9 anyway. If you have a way to get the votes for Dota/killjoy then show me the work. I’ll lynch those two as well to avoid no lynch at this point.
Vezok has been under suspicion for at least half of this game day. Dota only recently came under suspicion, mostly because of his behavior toward Vezok. To posit that he's a counterwagon here makes no sense.
This is why Cyan is town. Solid reasoning.
You're probably about to be lynched, can you leave a legacy or a reads list at least?
I'm also here. Will check back 5 minutes before to see if anything is happening and might self vote to ensure a lynch. I hope people will look into silver if I die.
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Rhand tell me - if you think vezok is town, who do you think is scum pushing that wagon? (Silvercrys3467, DoTArchon, KamikazeArchon, shadowlancerx, Grapefruit21)
I know that you think Wuffles is scum and that he is on the DoTA wagon.
Rhand tell me - if you think vezok is town, who do you think is scum pushing that wagon? (Silvercrys3467, DoTArchon, KamikazeArchon, shadowlancerx, Grapefruit21)
I know that you think Wuffles is scum and that he is on the DoTA wagon.
Is this really the best idea? I don't know. I don't normally play with majority lynches. But if you think it is, I'll move my vote.
If vezok is town, then he really is getting lynched today with the self-vote. And if he's not, then we should be lynching him.
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When the point of no return appears, it is already behind you.
And yet you were surprised I didn’t see town!you and put me in your scumleans for that while you are consciously playing different?
I don’t believe you.
Feel free to put your vote somewhere that will actually accomplish something.
vezokpiraka (6) - Silvercrys3467, DoTArchon, KamikazeArchon, shadowlancerx, Grapefruit21, killjoy
DoTArchon (5) - Cyan, Prophylaxis, dawningbluesky, vezokpiraka, Wuffles_II
Killjoy (3) - TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, RE1031, Rhand
Wuffles_II (2) - tomsloger, Lastwhisper
Prophylaxis (1) - Atogaholic
Silvercrys3467 (1) - Iso
Not voting: Gemma
@Everyone: look at the inconsistency between why KJ reads me as scum (claiming I know town!him and I don’t see that here) and him consciously having changed his towngame.
Let me read up on the recent events.
And I;m trying not to just jump down a rabbit hole of bad reads. That's a thing I've been trying to do for the past several games. I'm just... succeeding more here. Unless Proph is town then I'm still failing.
I don't find that scummy. Saying ***** like "you should know I'm town" has never been anything but bravado anyway
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I do not like a vezok lynch because I am not a fan of the people on his wagon. (DoTA, shadow, killjoy). Like, if he ends up being lynched and flips scum, then I'll take the blame, but just from general wagon momentum I'd be somewhat surprised if he was scum.
Would prefer a DoTA or killjoy lynch Today if we want to actually hit red.
Togs will get replaced by Megiddo, who is very easy to read, or modkilled. He's a self-resolving slot in my opinion. I'm a little annoyed that he can't commit to a full game on MTGS since I /do/ enjoy playing with him when he's invested in the game but meh.
I read your case on DoTA but.. I don't see how his particular mechanical focus makes him townie? He also just. Hasn't really been Around to provide thoughts and stuff.
..Which is basically just all "these are reasons why Proph and vezok are scum together" moreso than "this is why I think vezok is a bad guy and needs to be lynched"
I know that you think Wuffles is scum and that he is on the DoTA wagon.
If you think vezok is scum, why is your vote still on Wuffles?
We have to get to 10
I will move my vote to the largest wagon 10 minutes before deadline to ensure a lynch but I'm hoping we can lynch either one of DoTA or killjoy.
This is why Cyan is town. Solid reasoning.
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No lynch is unacceptable
No changes
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Shadow. Maaaaybe Silver.
Is this all still mostly true? Any updates with the neutral pile?
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I SHOULD have done this earlier, but it's 4/20 and I had a busy day.
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Really hope I'm wrong here.
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If vezok is town, then he really is getting lynched today with the self-vote. And if he's not, then we should be lynching him.
I do not like myself right now.
Thanks phone. If that happens then I’ll be somewhat frustrated that we couldn’t garner the votes without a self vote.
DoTArchon (4) - Cyan, dawningbluesky, vezokpiraka, Wuffles_II
Killjoy (1) - Rhand
Wuffles_II (1) - Lastwhisper
Prophylaxis (1) - Atogaholic
Silvercrys3467 (1) - Iso
Not voting: Gemma
hoping we see red here, but I don't think we will