Honestly the Mod should just modkill that slot at this point, this is the 4th person to play it. And asking someone to read this much of the game thread is just..so much.
Really don't think it's gemma. Should be pretty easy for her replacement though just make a new neighborhood to confirm it to y'all and then we can just explain the POE
And then really don't think it's togs unless the seance thing is exactly his heist item.
So I'm at RE/grape/kj for last heist wolf (assuming proph/shadow heisted)
And then those 3 + dawn for #5
Proph went to great lengths to show why Atog wasn't scum, and the entire team Atog could only talk about why Proph was scum anyway. Can't figure out of this is a coordinated effort on their part.
I think it's 14 alive and 8 to lynch. Need the votecount to say for sure but there should be at least that many semi-active people besides myself, right?
And then really don't think it's togs unless the seance thing is exactly his heist item.
Oh. My. God.
What?
What's the vote count? Are we going to be able to lynch proph with so many people being awol?
It could be nothing, but I find it a real possibility that the seance ability is an item. The flavor behind Atog's claim seems shaky ("possessing the auctioneer"). And I still think he could be the anonymous bidder.
I don't really know. His pushes have been in the right place (earlier I thought he was just after Proph, but he's been after Gemma too). But it shouldn't be a big deal. By day 5 the looking glass will be up again and if we play our cards right, PoE will get even narrower.
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I'm a bit lost regarding something from earlier. LW claimed to have RBed RE N1, correct? And RE confirmed this?
I didn't confirm this, but I did confirm I didn't make a night action, which is what LW asked initially. If I had used one of my own abilities, Last would know because he would lose 1 sanity, and so would I. I didn't get any message regarding the roleblock.
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tbh, my mind is telling me that cyan are probably both town, and it sucks that silver needs to die, and it sucks that cyan is so selfish... I wonder how many deaths are gunna happen tonight xD... wonder if I can actually roleblock a killing role haha.
Cyan
Re can never confirm it, killjoy on the other hand can confirm it, does it confirm my alignment, not really.
Phraze imo is scummy, Im hella scummy (nothing new), cyan is a vigi, and if he will probably be attacked tonight, but I am also a roleblocker that can stop night kills, so who knows... Kinda just want this day to end, so I can see if I live or not, kinda been burned out much of this day phase since cross basically confirmed he was scum... I say we hurry up an finalize the auction house, and end this day.
Phraze will never get nk'd, Cyan and Me have the highest chances of being nk'd. Originally I speculated that cyan might actually be the sk, but until I figure out why KJ didnt die, then he probably is still the sk. Kinda hope that both silver and cyan die tonight imo.
RE/Togs, are the real dichotomy imo, there is def scum between those two.
Reminder that in my will, im giving 1 silver, to the person I roleblock, and the rest to someone of my choosing, just in case I do die
Kind of a useless thought but apart from proving himself as a bodyguard auctioning off BG services instead of just doing it normally is incredibly anti town. Don't think it makes him scum, just an annoying foible of needing to use the role to clear KJ.
@Wisp I want to believe both Cyan and Silver are town but I just don't believe that we have two roles that can give multiple extra kills. Cyan is never scum which is good and Silver only has a tiny chance of being scum but between the two of them I am like 60-70% sure there is an SK. Think Cyan is more likely just because I think Silver probably does die this twilight and stays off wagon.
and its game sense, there is no way you will die tonight, over any of the other optimal choices... thats how I see it, whether you like it or not... and I still think RE is hiding something... I guess we will see day 4 when I decide which one of them to roleblock
Not gonna throw my vote on Proph just yet to let Cantrip catch up but I've pretty much stated my opinions this game. The cleared town are cleared town, Grape with the way he's played is never scum. I actually do have a strong town read on RE, I never actually realized this but I feel like I do have a lot of experience with her town meta. As town she's kind of a tinfoil player and likes throwing theories out there, that's definitely what I'm seeing this game and I still stand by the fact that someone from MS would never make up a n0 clear because.. it's literally never used over there.
[Dota/Shadow/Proph], then the last 1-2 scum are in [Gemma/Tom/LastWhisper/KJ]
I still think Gemma's slot could be scum, outside of just my case on her, her ability could easily be an item (which would be far far far less bastard than a spirit medium item, just saying). Gemma/Tom are very unlikely to both be scum however.
Because the poe is so tight and I've seen all the claims, I'm opening KJ up to being read again. I have been paying less attention to his toDay since I kind of wrote him off as town after seeing the BG in the auction house, but there are townier claims out there now and I'm not convinced by it anymore. It still could be a scum inventor role that creates an ability to put up for auction. I had to spend my day today catching up to MS stuff but planning to go over KJ's posts from his claim onwards and see if I form a different opinion.
Also rip I need to look over LW, his is the ISO I dread the most after Tom's.
and its game sense, there is no way you will die tonight, over any of the other optimal choices... thats how I see it, whether you like it or not... and I still think RE is hiding something... I guess we will see day 4 when I decide which one of them to roleblock
hmm if you say so. it's true that a tracker isn't much of a threat compared to a role that blocks kills.
@LW: can you give me a pool of people you're going to RB from, so I can potentially choose outside of that pool? It would be pretty unfortunate if we target the same person.
Kind of a useless thought but apart from proving himself as a bodyguard auctioning off BG services instead of just doing it normally is incredibly anti town. Don't think it makes him scum, just an annoying foible of needing to use the role to clear KJ.
@Wisp I want to believe both Cyan and Silver are town but I just don't believe that we have two roles that can give multiple extra kills. Cyan is never scum which is good and Silver only has a tiny chance of being scum but between the two of them I am like 60-70% sure there is an SK. Think Cyan is more likely just because I think Silver probably does die this twilight and stays off wagon.
Selling my services is anti town? Really?
Oh, btw that reminds me: I do get the money from this. I asked about it earlier.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It takes money away from who you're protecting and if AH numbers are out is a wasted service. At other stages it would have been great but tonight with AH being public it's not good for town apart from it confirming you. Which is worth it just frustrating that it went down this way.
It takes money away from who you're protecting and if AH numbers are out is a wasted service. At other stages it would have been great but tonight with AH being public it's not good for town apart from it confirming you. Which is worth it just frustrating that it went down this way.
He did activate it before we were claiming AH numbers, right?
Not KJ but whoever pushed that claim is anti-town.
I think I'm at "bodyguard is a townie role and selling it is ~scummy" so vague +town for kj by role as we know it so far but not by much
Have hated his "why would scum protect me" bull*****. He's not that dumb and it's part of a wider pattern of talking about ***** that doesn't matter.
Don't really like his pushes. Me push is whatever i guess it seems to just be playstyle/omgus combo. Trying to bring cyan under suspicion is awful though, and gemma/togs seems like the last possible mislynches.
Under pressure he's got some incredulity I find kinda townie but he's hard focusing on minor things within those, like if I made this whole post and threw in a line like "I find his prickliness played up" which I do but I'm not gonna be able to justify really even if i wanted to hed be like "prove im prickly" and we can all agree that would be dumb and hardly the point but that's whay he'd be responding to and then apparently trying to make a point that it's somehow scummy for me to not explain myself and ok this turned into a sizeable tangent but yeah kj might be scum and I wouldn't be mad at him being dead in the morning
My thing is why would scum protect me INSTEAD OF THEMSELVES in a world where there are people shooting. Not just a vague "Why would scum ever protect little old me *vapors vapors*" like I'm unaware of how good mislynches are.
Also, you were tryong to make the point that my 'prickliness' or whatever word you used before was something I did as both alignments. I was saying that was bull***** because I'm fairly sure I don't do it as scum. That's what I wanted you to prove: that I do it (really, at all) as scum. Ideally you'd prove that I did it just as much but I doubt you could prove that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
wuffles/joe
cyan/rhand/gemmamancer/last
togs
dawn
kj/grape
Proph/re
Silver still probably SK, but unlikely mafia. Based on effort today would probably say he earned the right to shoot tonight but mask makes that too scary.
I put my townreads in two tiers but id be pretty shocked if any of them were scum atp
Togs role is pretty town (I think someone mentioned he's not actually using it very townie but it's still a super town role). It *could* be a heist item, but that's about the only way I think.
Dawn is easily the scummiest person with n1 accounted for, but I think I might be getting bogged down in that fact the nonheist wolf (if they exist) could easily been doing something too scummy to claim or whatever she's not actually more likely than the heist poe.
But man has she been openly pro wolf today
My thing is why would scum protect me INSTEAD OF THEMSELVES in a world where there are people shooting. Not just a vague "Why would scum ever protect little old me *vapors vapors*" like I'm unaware of how good mislynches are.
Also, you were tryong to make the point that my 'prickliness' or whatever word you used before was something I did as both alignments. I was saying that was bull***** because I'm fairly sure I don't do it as scum. That's what I wanted you to prove: that I do it (really, at all) as scum. Ideally you'd prove that I did it just as much but I doubt you could prove that.
Also... I talked first. Obviously.
And then really don't think it's togs unless the seance thing is exactly his heist item.
So I'm at RE/grape/kj for last heist wolf (assuming proph/shadow heisted)
And then those 3 + dawn for #5
Seemsgood
If the mafia have a protective, it's probably him, though.
Grapes dota defense. Proph tieing himself in knots to townread grape. Like, its a thing.
Should be more clear tomorrow
When scum get bussed, they naturally bus back.
Or something like that.
What?
What's the vote count? Are we going to be able to lynch proph with so many people being awol?
I don't really know. His pushes have been in the right place (earlier I thought he was just after Proph, but he's been after Gemma too). But it shouldn't be a big deal. By day 5 the looking glass will be up again and if we play our cards right, PoE will get even narrower.
This is a bit of an odd take, but someone replacing back into a slot in this game state makes me feel like that slot is more likely to be town.
Haven't seen you since...wow, since...crackhouse Mafia? How's it going! Good luck with this game, I hope you've been following!
Ready whenever I guess.
Back to work
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Silver staying off wagon and dying and Cyan shooting into the PoE resolves the game slightly quicker.
Cyan
Re can never confirm it, killjoy on the other hand can confirm it, does it confirm my alignment, not really.
Phraze imo is scummy, Im hella scummy (nothing new), cyan is a vigi, and if he will probably be attacked tonight, but I am also a roleblocker that can stop night kills, so who knows... Kinda just want this day to end, so I can see if I live or not, kinda been burned out much of this day phase since cross basically confirmed he was scum... I say we hurry up an finalize the auction house, and end this day.
Phraze will never get nk'd, Cyan and Me have the highest chances of being nk'd. Originally I speculated that cyan might actually be the sk, but until I figure out why KJ didnt die, then he probably is still the sk. Kinda hope that both silver and cyan die tonight imo.
RE/Togs, are the real dichotomy imo, there is def scum between those two.
Reminder that in my will, im giving 1 silver, to the person I roleblock, and the rest to someone of my choosing, just in case I do die
@Wisp I want to believe both Cyan and Silver are town but I just don't believe that we have two roles that can give multiple extra kills. Cyan is never scum which is good and Silver only has a tiny chance of being scum but between the two of them I am like 60-70% sure there is an SK. Think Cyan is more likely just because I think Silver probably does die this twilight and stays off wagon.
I remember. kinda wonder if I should do that as well
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
I mean scum in this sense that u probably wont die from a nk... forgot to clarify that xD... I dont actually think you are scum
[Dota/Shadow/Proph], then the last 1-2 scum are in [Gemma/Tom/LastWhisper/KJ]
I still think Gemma's slot could be scum, outside of just my case on her, her ability could easily be an item (which would be far far far less bastard than a spirit medium item, just saying). Gemma/Tom are very unlikely to both be scum however.
Because the poe is so tight and I've seen all the claims, I'm opening KJ up to being read again. I have been paying less attention to his toDay since I kind of wrote him off as town after seeing the BG in the auction house, but there are townier claims out there now and I'm not convinced by it anymore. It still could be a scum inventor role that creates an ability to put up for auction. I had to spend my day today catching up to MS stuff but planning to go over KJ's posts from his claim onwards and see if I form a different opinion.
Also rip I need to look over LW, his is the ISO I dread the most after Tom's.
mind answering this though? what makes RE/Togs a dichotomy?
Be grateful, always."
Oh, btw that reminds me: I do get the money from this. I asked about it earlier.
He did activate it before we were claiming AH numbers, right?
Not KJ but whoever pushed that claim is anti-town.
Have hated his "why would scum protect me" bull*****. He's not that dumb and it's part of a wider pattern of talking about ***** that doesn't matter.
Don't really like his pushes. Me push is whatever i guess it seems to just be playstyle/omgus combo. Trying to bring cyan under suspicion is awful though, and gemma/togs seems like the last possible mislynches.
Under pressure he's got some incredulity I find kinda townie but he's hard focusing on minor things within those, like if I made this whole post and threw in a line like "I find his prickliness played up" which I do but I'm not gonna be able to justify really even if i wanted to hed be like "prove im prickly" and we can all agree that would be dumb and hardly the point but that's whay he'd be responding to and then apparently trying to make a point that it's somehow scummy for me to not explain myself and ok this turned into a sizeable tangent but yeah kj might be scum and I wouldn't be mad at him being dead in the morning
Also, you were tryong to make the point that my 'prickliness' or whatever word you used before was something I did as both alignments. I was saying that was bull***** because I'm fairly sure I don't do it as scum. That's what I wanted you to prove: that I do it (really, at all) as scum. Ideally you'd prove that I did it just as much but I doubt you could prove that.
Also lol at "we can all agree that would be dumb"
cyan/rhand/gemmamancer/last
togs
dawn
kj/grape
Proph/re
Silver still probably SK, but unlikely mafia. Based on effort today would probably say he earned the right to shoot tonight but mask makes that too scary.
I put my townreads in two tiers but id be pretty shocked if any of them were scum atp
Togs role is pretty town (I think someone mentioned he's not actually using it very townie but it's still a super town role). It *could* be a heist item, but that's about the only way I think.
Dawn is easily the scummiest person with n1 accounted for, but I think I might be getting bogged down in that fact the nonheist wolf (if they exist) could easily been doing something too scummy to claim or whatever she's not actually more likely than the heist poe.
But man has she been openly pro wolf today
Bottom 4 should just die