Ok, let me walk through this out loud with everyone. Just taking everything at face value here. Ok, I know I'm town, I trust the info that ISO has provided for me. That means Tom is a Neighbor and AE is a Replicator. Rod is Tom's neighbor and I trust the census because we have no contradictory evidence to his post of the Census Day 1. No other Neutrals have claimed. It would be too risky for Rod to post that Census as scum and lie, UNLESS he was partners with Az, which isn't a terrible play, but not the most likely. Az's claim is even more confirmable now that he has flip flopped on me being able to see ALL of his abilities and now saying I will see NONE of his abilities. I think AZ is just as he claimed. I don't like him around and I don't scum like it either. He's alive because he's pushing a Lynch on town (ME), he dies as soon as he backs off. It's not going to help me get him off my back, but that's the truth. Scum knew he would push me and they know I am town. That's why they haven't killed him yet. Maybe it's not just me that he's wrong on, but that's the most logical one to me. I don't think Census Taker can be scum in a no-flip game, so ROD IS TOWN.
I think people hit with the Cream Beam are most likely town. Especially Kazin, but I'm going to assume AE for now too, but I have become a bit more paranoid about that because of similarities between our roles (thank you DV). So KAZIN & AE are TOWN for now.
That leaves the pool of ? as:
Shadow = Jailer targeted Az N1 redirected to Kazin, targeted Tom Night 2
DV = Watcher targeted KA N1 redirected to me, no one visited me, targeted Tom N2 and failed
Tom = Neighbor
Vezo = BP
Grape = Mirrorizer targeted Tom today
I'm feeling worse about DV because of his tunnel on me, but I think with one death a night it's unlikely that all the protection roles are being truthful.
Grape's role sounds the most suspicious, but he can't be the Vanillizer and if he's taking day shots because the Cream Beam and the Swab fired off the same day. I doubt he's the source of the No-Flip. The No-Flipper has to be deep scum and really my #1 priority. I think it HAS to be an ability because if it was just a straight up No-Flip game, I think ISO needed to tell us in the setup. Grape could have done the Kraken. I need to look back at the timing of the Kraken attack.
Either way we have three roles that can stop kills claimed and alive today.
@Grape: Can you confirm if your ability stops killing actions?
I really feel like Shadow has been playing town. He's being indecisive and not overly opportunistic, it just feels like solving town.
@Shadow: If I live to tonight, I will be REALLY disappointed if you jail me. I think that would be the worst case scenario. I just want one more shot, and I'm useless tomorrow and pretty much mislynch bait for a second day in a row without a result. I'd rather get killed at night and be off the suspect list then not get a result for tomorrow.
Vezo, is just what's left in my POE from the protection roles. BP is super easy claim to fake. I could switch over to Vezo if people aren't feeling the Tom Lynch. In fact, I may even switch over to him now.
After playing numerous live mafia games with her and a game on MAL. I'm more than willing to say that Phraze is town.
Which means Dota is the scum member or we all just ****ed up hard.(But really saying I counter this role then having them as high up as Dota did probabally was a scum slip)
I'm just going to ignore rodemy as every post of his eats at my sanity.
I'm glad Azrael checked his role after 3 months and realised all his abilities are factional. He truly deserves to live until the end game for his glorious contributions to this thread.
Are you saying you agree with DV that Az should be lynched, or are you just lashing out at him?
Mostly lashing out at Azrael. I think he needed to be lynched day 1 or yesterday. Right now lynching a neutral seems like a bad play.
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I could show rodemy where HE claimed we were neighbors before Joe claimed his target, but I just don't care anymore.
Rodemy knew my (lack of) role day 1, joe apparently knew it night 1.
So if shadow actually jailed me n2 he's almost definitely not scum with either
No way to confirm that, but it exists
Someone sanity check my tinfoil worry that it’s like Rodemy/Terry/x and Rod is throwing everything he possibly can to get someone other than Terry lynched.
Someone sanity check my tinfoil worry that it’s like Rodemy/Terry/x and Rod is throwing everything he possibly can to get someone other than Terry lynched.
Someone sanity check my tinfoil worry that it’s like Rodemy/Terry/x and Rod is throwing everything he possibly can to get someone other than Terry lynched.
I'm doing the same thing soo....
I was here first bros
Early in the day he was suspicious of Joe and arch. And then just... decided it was neither. There's no post about clearing them, just push on his new teams with me in them.
@Shadow: If I live to tonight, I will be REALLY disappointed if you jail me. I think that would be the worst case scenario. I just want one more shot, and I'm useless tomorrow and pretty much mislynch bait for a second day in a row without a result. I'd rather get killed at night and be off the suspect list then not get a result for tomorrow.
Tough crap, if we don’t lynch you I will not make any sort of promise not to jail you. I don’t plan to know who I’m going to target until tonight anyway.
I'm back! And haven't read anything. I'll try to get caught up this morning at work. Quote me if there is anything urgent directed at me. No notifications on here so I'm assuming not.
I'm glad Azrael checked his role after 3 months and realised all his abilities are factional. He truly deserves to live until the end game for his glorious contributions to this thread.
It's not in my role PM, and it's nothing I even asked. Mod simply volunteered out of the blue, hey, btw, your abilities are considered factional. Which, to me, seemed a bit non-intuitive, seeing as I'm a one-man survivor with the most implausible alt win con of all time. Some "faction". But whatever.
Maybe it's lack of catching up but I don't get this supposed slip. Why is voting Vezok after saying his role doesn't make sense a slip? Isn't that the opposite? Like it's a natural progression from I don't believe your role to I'm killing you.
Also @Rodemy I don't get results. If my ability announces in thread it is active that night. Tom's clarifaction about him being blocked at night and mine being a day ability I think explains your confusion.
@Terry I asked the mod D1 if it reflected kills N1 and it does. It's why I was so frustrated by the fast hammer yesterday... Really wanted to use it then.
Specifically the two Doctor claims and KA's claim.
I actually forget do we know what Rhand claimed again?
Dude, it was a POE of LIVING players. On top of that, my focus was on the protection players. On top of that I'm still leaning towards switching my vote to the player who's protection role seems least likely to me. On top of that, I specifically eliminated Shadow from my POE because I think he's been playing like town and mentioned that I'm not crazy about your slot because of your dumb aggressive tunnel on me and the dumb nobue crap you pulled. It's not just all role analysis. If it was, who cares, because with out flips, that's one of the two things we have to go off of.
If you guys want to feed your crazy tinfoil hat theory, I think everyone here would be happy to Lynch Vezo (besides vezo). However, that being said, if every town person is being truthful then we have no vig, which would make a scum Bulletproof near pointless unless Az has a kill and we have no evidence indicating that he does. That would mean there could be no slip, but we can still Lynch Vezo.
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So no one joined me on Archmage or even considered the fact that he's obviously lying about what he believed at the start of the day?
Guess I'll take a look at Terry and see if his posting lines up with the tinfoil I had earlier then. Because the other wagons suck. Tom's is a joke, and Rodemy is just kind of never scum unless it's with Az and Az is probably just telling the truth.
So no one joined me on Archmage or even considered the fact that he's obviously lying about what he believed at the start of the day?
Guess I'll take a look at Terry and see if his posting lines up with the tinfoil I had earlier then. Because the other wagons suck. Tom's is a joke, and Rodemy is just kind of never scum unless it's with Az and Az is probably just telling the truth.
I don’t think you’re wrong about Archmage, I just think Terry’s more likely scum in general.
I’d probably lynch AE, though him getting Vanillafied makes me want to give him a little bit of credit. Granted if he’s scum that’s the whole point of him getting vanilla’d. Granted, it probably means that even if he’s scum, he’s not the one preventing flips, because you never Vanilla that role. Unless it’s a factional ability and the vanilla maker doesn’t take factional abilities. Regardless I’ve talked myself in circles here and haven’t come up with anything useful so kindly ignore the ramblings of a crazy wolf.
(And I swear if anyone says “OH SHADOW SLIPPED THAT HES A WOLF” I’ll smack you upside the head)
So no one joined me on Archmage or even considered the fact that he's obviously lying about what he believed at the start of the day?
Guess I'll take a look at Terry and see if his posting lines up with the tinfoil I had earlier then. Because the other wagons suck. Tom's is a joke, and Rodemy is just kind of never scum unless it's with Az and Az is probably just telling the truth.
I think he's got a good chance to be scum but Joe seems damn near outed to me
So no one joined me on Archmage or even considered the fact that he's obviously lying about what he believed at the start of the day?
Guess I'll take a look at Terry and see if his posting lines up with the tinfoil I had earlier then. Because the other wagons suck. Tom's is a joke, and Rodemy is just kind of never scum unless it's with Az and Az is probably just telling the truth.
I don’t think you’re wrong about Archmage, I just think Terry’s more likely scum in general.
I’d probably lynch AE, though him getting Vanillafied makes me want to give him a little bit of credit. Granted if he’s scum that’s the whole point of him getting vanilla’d. Granted, it probably means that even if he’s scum, he’s not the one preventing flips, because you never Vanilla that role. Unless it’s a factional ability and the vanilla maker doesn’t take factional abilities. Regardless I’ve talked myself in circles here and haven’t come up with anything useful so kindly ignore the ramblings of a crazy wolf.
(And I swear if anyone says “OH SHADOW SLIPPED THAT HES A WOLF” I’ll smack you upside the head)
Seriously though I get that Terry is behaviorally scummy with the hammer and his anything that sticks pushes today, but at least he hasn't overtly lied about anything. And if Az is trueclaiming and Terry is trueclaiming I think that makes Terry more likely to be town off of role analysis even if by behavior I think he's scummy.
I just don't comprehend why I am a good Lynch. It seems stupid when we have 3 living protection roles and two claimed protection roles dead. What have I done that was so scummy besides hammer DOTA? Which is retrospect isn't even that scummy and we still have people postulating that he was scum. My Lynch is garbage. Get over it.
I'd lile to believe i am good at this game. Hell, i figure out most games i am in. This is what is probably happening:
Scum are still alive. All three. One of them has a vigshot.
Mislynch today, they win.
It makes sense why d_v is being extra... d_vish and shadow is being PowerShadow and tom is throwing teams possibilities out there while keeping a vote on terry. However kazin hasnt been seen in days and vezok has provided nothing, yet everyone wants to lynch terry over his hammer.
If it's ae and terry and dead scum, or i literally just named everyone on the town team i'm sorry for causing so much fuss. But one of those three (shadow, tom, d_v) is scum. Behaviorally it makes sense. unvote Vote nolynch
We arent getting anywhere today so lets postpone lylo and see some night actions.
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I just don't comprehend why I am a good Lynch. It seems stupid when we have 3 living protection roles and two claimed protection roles dead. What have I done that was so scummy besides hammer DOTA? Which is retrospect isn't even that scummy and we still have people postulating that he was scum. My Lynch is garbage. Get over it.
I've never seen a more obvious caught scum post in my entire mafia career.
In just 3 rows you manage to deflect your lynch onto others by modgaming, defending your scummy actions by calling them not scummy and ended by telling everyone your lynch is bad.
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I'd lile to believe i am good at this game. Hell, i figure out most games i am in. This is what is probably happening:
Scum are still alive. All three. One of them has a vigshot.
Mislynch today, they win.
It makes sense why d_v is being extra... d_vish and shadow is being PowerShadow and tom is throwing teams possibilities out there while keeping a vote on terry. However kazin hasnt been seen in days and vezok has provided nothing, yet everyone wants to lynch terry over his hammer.
If it's ae and terry and dead scum, or i literally just named everyone on the town team i'm sorry for causing so much fuss. But one of those three (shadow, tom, d_v) is scum. Behaviorally it makes sense. unvote Vote nolynch
We arent getting anywhere today so lets postpone lylo and see some night actions.
I just don't comprehend why I am a good Lynch. It seems stupid when we have 3 living protection roles and two claimed protection roles dead. What have I done that was so scummy besides hammer DOTA? Which is retrospect isn't even that scummy and we still have people postulating that he was scum. My Lynch is garbage. Get over it.
I've never seen a more obvious caught scum post in my entire mafia career.
In just 3 rows you manage to deflect your lynch onto others by modgaming, defending your scummy actions by calling them not scummy and ended by telling everyone your lynch is bad.
seriously though
The whole day has just been howling
I am.
That's what makes it so bad.
Scum have protection roles.
How are you not drawing this line?
I think people hit with the Cream Beam are most likely town. Especially Kazin, but I'm going to assume AE for now too, but I have become a bit more paranoid about that because of similarities between our roles (thank you DV). So KAZIN & AE are TOWN for now.
That leaves the pool of ? as:
Shadow = Jailer targeted Az N1 redirected to Kazin, targeted Tom Night 2
DV = Watcher targeted KA N1 redirected to me, no one visited me, targeted Tom N2 and failed
Tom = Neighbor
Vezo = BP
Grape = Mirrorizer targeted Tom today
I'm feeling worse about DV because of his tunnel on me, but I think with one death a night it's unlikely that all the protection roles are being truthful.
Grape's role sounds the most suspicious, but he can't be the Vanillizer and if he's taking day shots because the Cream Beam and the Swab fired off the same day. I doubt he's the source of the No-Flip. The No-Flipper has to be deep scum and really my #1 priority. I think it HAS to be an ability because if it was just a straight up No-Flip game, I think ISO needed to tell us in the setup. Grape could have done the Kraken. I need to look back at the timing of the Kraken attack.
Either way we have three roles that can stop kills claimed and alive today.
@Grape: Can you confirm if your ability stops killing actions?
I really feel like Shadow has been playing town. He's being indecisive and not overly opportunistic, it just feels like solving town.
@Shadow: If I live to tonight, I will be REALLY disappointed if you jail me. I think that would be the worst case scenario. I just want one more shot, and I'm useless tomorrow and pretty much mislynch bait for a second day in a row without a result. I'd rather get killed at night and be off the suspect list then not get a result for tomorrow.
Vezo, is just what's left in my POE from the protection roles. BP is super easy claim to fake. I could switch over to Vezo if people aren't feeling the Tom Lynch. In fact, I may even switch over to him now.
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I don't get how Terry is adamant that Azreal is how he claimed. Specifically when all of a sudden its a "Whoops Role Cop won't work on me".
Like that literally just happened.
After playing numerous live mafia games with her and a game on MAL. I'm more than willing to say that Phraze is town.
Which means Dota is the scum member or we all just ****ed up hard.(But really saying I counter this role then having them as high up as Dota did probabally was a scum slip)
It ignores all of our dead players.
Specifically the two Doctor claims and KA's claim.
I actually forget do we know what Rhand claimed again?
Mostly lashing out at Azrael. I think he needed to be lynched day 1 or yesterday. Right now lynching a neutral seems like a bad play.
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Wait, tom was jailed n2? Does that block his neighborrole?
Generally curious.
Also, vezok is bulletproof? Concidering noone claimed vig, i don't see the point in that.
And @Grape, what was your result?
vote vezok
Yeah, while you've been not posting at all.
Do you have ANYTHING to add, or are you just gonna coast to endgame?
How do you feel about these games?
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/719646-star-trek-myriad-universes-mafia-iv-game-over
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/670841-mind-screw-salvation-mafia-endgame-when-the
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/677880-ace-attorney-mafia-game-over-the-bitter-taste-of
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/446582-lord-of-the-rings-mafia-the-council-of-elrond-game
Was lynching Neutrals a miss lynch in these games?
And since we are specifically referencing old games. How about this one where you threw the game as mafia to a 3 man neutral team? Remember that?
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**** this loop of target and blocks.
Shadow and kazkn
Grape and tom
Ugh
Rodemy knew my (lack of) role day 1, joe apparently knew it night 1.
So if shadow actually jailed me n2 he's almost definitely not scum with either
No way to confirm that, but it exists
Shadow, if he targeted me, was at night
Yes it's a) real claim and town b) a fake claim c) real claim and scum because AZ has a kill.
In that order imo
Is this a scum slip?
Did Rodemy just out himself as scum with Vez?
He's literally pushing me because my role is too weak and shadow because his role is too strong
Nothing is surprising
I'm doing the same thing soo....
Unvote
*Brainstorming*
But, I legit think Rodemy slipped.
Unvote Vote Rodemy
I think its similar to the Tracker/Watcher Fiasco.
Early in the day he was suspicious of Joe and arch. And then just... decided it was neither. There's no post about clearing them, just push on his new teams with me in them.
Idk
I’ll sing this song.
It doez kinda look like perspective of knowing vezok is lying scum.
But if that's true they need to just lynch Joe unless he's the third. So wtf is rodemy doing?
And if that's the exact team why did no one join grape on arch?
Idk it doesn't really add up and rodemy is nonsense anyway.
lol
You haven't even established that a serial killer exists. Spoilers, there isn't one.
It's not in my role PM, and it's nothing I even asked. Mod simply volunteered out of the blue, hey, btw, your abilities are considered factional. Which, to me, seemed a bit non-intuitive, seeing as I'm a one-man survivor with the most implausible alt win con of all time. Some "faction". But whatever.
Also @Rodemy I don't get results. If my ability announces in thread it is active that night. Tom's clarifaction about him being blocked at night and mine being a day ability I think explains your confusion.
@Terry I asked the mod D1 if it reflected kills N1 and it does. It's why I was so frustrated by the fast hammer yesterday... Really wanted to use it then.
To put another way: the only reliable way for town to get anyone's role information from your pov is basically useless If I am scum.
Why is that a thing you are assuming?
It looks to me like just bull*****ting to push me.
tomsloger (2): TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Archmage Eternal
Archmage Eternal (1): Grapefruit21
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (3): tomsloger, vezokpiraka, Kazin Drake (L-3)
shadowlancerx (1): Azrael
vezokpiraka (1): Rodemy
Rodemy (2): D_V, shadowlancerx
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Guess I'll take a look at Terry and see if his posting lines up with the tinfoil I had earlier then. Because the other wagons suck. Tom's is a joke, and Rodemy is just kind of never scum unless it's with Az and Az is probably just telling the truth.
I’d probably lynch AE, though him getting Vanillafied makes me want to give him a little bit of credit. Granted if he’s scum that’s the whole point of him getting vanilla’d. Granted, it probably means that even if he’s scum, he’s not the one preventing flips, because you never Vanilla that role. Unless it’s a factional ability and the vanilla maker doesn’t take factional abilities. Regardless I’ve talked myself in circles here and haven’t come up with anything useful so kindly ignore the ramblings of a crazy wolf.
(And I swear if anyone says “OH SHADOW SLIPPED THAT HES A WOLF” I’ll smack you upside the head)
Seriously though I get that Terry is behaviorally scummy with the hammer and his anything that sticks pushes today, but at least he hasn't overtly lied about anything. And if Az is trueclaiming and Terry is trueclaiming I think that makes Terry more likely to be town off of role analysis even if by behavior I think he's scummy.
Shadow jumping on me with d_v cool.
I ****in hate this game.
vote d_v
**** you scumteam.
Scum are still alive. All three. One of them has a vigshot.
Mislynch today, they win.
It makes sense why d_v is being extra... d_vish and shadow is being PowerShadow and tom is throwing teams possibilities out there while keeping a vote on terry. However kazin hasnt been seen in days and vezok has provided nothing, yet everyone wants to lynch terry over his hammer.
If it's ae and terry and dead scum, or i literally just named everyone on the town team i'm sorry for causing so much fuss. But one of those three (shadow, tom, d_v) is scum. Behaviorally it makes sense.
unvote Vote nolynch
We arent getting anywhere today so lets postpone lylo and see some night actions.
I've never seen a more obvious caught scum post in my entire mafia career.
In just 3 rows you manage to deflect your lynch onto others by modgaming, defending your scummy actions by calling them not scummy and ended by telling everyone your lynch is bad.
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*slap*
*slap*
If you are town that pull yourself together man.
Intent to hammer Terry when he accrues enough votes.
The whole day has just been howling