@Tom Rod’s vote on AE kind of makes sense if they’re scum together, get that bus in, but I don’t really understand it if Rod is town.
why are you looking for/expecting rodemy to make sense?
Because one day he has to...right?!?
I’m not expecting it really, just want him to have some sort of baseline that lets me go “if he makes less sense than this, he’s scum” but I’m probably enever going to get that.
Unless DV and shadow are both scum, it seems that shadow actually protected himself. Weird game.
In the mafiawiki, if you look up the jailer role it says and i ****in quote:
"Because it is a roleblocker, jailer is never allowed to self-target"
Questions? Concerns? Objections?
Yes, basically no role can innately self target, that’s how the game works. Grapefruits role causes anyone to who tries to target the person he picked to self target. And it’s not like the roleblock and doctor abilities are separate, it’s all one thing. Why don’t you ask Iso the hypothetical “If a jailer where to somehow target themselves, what would happen?
My concern is the "roleblock" part of that. You would roleblock yourself essentially not being able to protect yourself.
You can't just fire at the mirror and ONLY get the protect. Its protect/roleblock. Which means you roleblock yourself as well. Which, in order of operations, supersedes protect.
It's broken because essentially you are unkillable at night. And who here actually believes that scenario made it past review?
Does your role prevent your target from other abilities as well?
K literally go ask Iso what would happen if a Jailer somehow targeted himself.
And yes, we’ve been over this, my target will be immune to all actions against them, This was a major point a while ago.
Okay. Then how did dv watch you....
Jeeze almost had me.
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Is anyone opposed to making DV swab the deck? I know Shadow initially wanted it on him (as did I), but I really like the idea of protected watch and shadow sowing wine between scum hunting, doc'ing, and self protecting.
@AE What did you think happened at the start of yesterday? I want all your thought processes from when you got targeted to when you decided to vote Rodemy. I've been banging this drum a while and you've not even tried to answer my questions. I'm tired of it.
By his ability failing. Which is why DV said shadow is running an elaborate gambit (self protecting and skipping a kill) or he's town. Granted shadow has skipped kills to confirm his role as a JK before, but that was under very different circumstances and there is no second RB here to form a dichotomy. Anyway that's exactly what I took his "confirmation" post to mean. If shadow was lying DV would have been able to watch shadow visit himself and wouldn't have confirmed what shadow claimed.
*twiddling my thumbs waiting for AE or Rodemy to reply*
I should really remove this link from my sig or update my cube thread. I haven't touched that thread in like 4 years.
Does anyone read AE's start of D3 differently to how I laid it out? There was never really any discussion about it just kind of brushing it off saying "yeah that sounds right, but let's lynch Terry first."
@Grapefruit: If you haven’t already you should maybe activate your ability? And I’ll skim over your AE stuff again later, but yeah, that was kind of my sentiment.
Do we have to wait for iso to show up and do it or can we just pile on?
Should be able to pile on looking at the wording ("before a lynch is reached" when I asked him for clarification, pm just had the vague "beginning of the day" wording.) but I still kind of want AE to answer even I'm pretty decided.
By his ability failing. Which is why DV said shadow is running an elaborate gambit (self protecting and skipping a kill) or he's town. Granted shadow has skipped kills to confirm his role as a JK before, but that was under very different circumstances and there is no second RB here to form a dichotomy. Anyway that's exactly what I took his "confirmation" post to mean. If shadow was lying DV would have been able to watch shadow visit himself and wouldn't have confirmed what shadow claimed.
Except he never mentioned that. You are creating a narrative FOR him. He never once said,
"my ability failed, lol."
So how can he just willy nilly say "that's what shadow did"? When his ability faaaaaaiiiiillled... and he DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
Idk, i feel like it would be mentionable, right? Not some narrative you place on what he said, which btw i put up there with answering questions directed at other people.
Anyway. Goodnigjt
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I kinda wish kazin and vezok would chime on more. How are we not calling them out right now?
Btw, we lose if we mislynch and havent actually killed scum yet, right?
So, gg if that's the case.
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I agree and that's why I don't want him that close to the lynch till there is at least a bit more discussion. For instance why are you voting him while wringing your hands about people not participating? And I agree that this ruling isn't intuitive but the paradox makes sense. And DV's confirmed it so either Shadow and DV are scum together trying to "prove" Shadow's jailing ability or shadow is telling the truth about how his ability works interacting with mine. I don't think the former is plausible because I doubt they would have skipped a kill and just had DV "confirm" it in that case.
And no? We don't lose. Even worst case scenario we're still live going into tomorrow with 7 (or 8 if Shadow blocks the kill again) either way we're still alive by your own census (3 scum).
Is anyone opposed to making DV swab the deck? I know Shadow initially wanted it on him (as did I), but I really like the idea of protected watch and shadow sowing wine between scum hunting, doc'ing, and self protecting.
@AE What did you think happened at the start of yesterday? I want all your thought processes from when you got targeted to when you decided to vote Rodemy. I've been banging this drum a while and you've not even tried to answer my questions. I'm tired of it.
I'm vanilla now. I will reply to this tomorrow when I get home.
@Rodemy this is his first post of the day. Which is him implicitly confirming Shadow used the ability. He doesn't state that his shot failed targeting shadow, but that's the only thing that is the only result that could make him confident to say that shadow self protected using my redirect. I guess he could have gotten blocked by Shadow but since Shadow had already claimed self targeting and there wasn't a kill that makes no sense at all.
I'll ask again if you're worried and feel like town is railroading towards a loss and you have these concerns (shadow mechanically, me creating a narrative) why are you voting AE with me and shadow's intention to vote?
@AE that quote has nothing to do with you being vanilla or not. And it doesn't even really answer if you kept the one shot of role cop which was the only question wrt your vanilla'ness because you'd be vanilla now if you fired it last night too.
I'm not sure who the scum are in all this, but I'm pretty sure this is what a town loss looks like.
Yes Yes, we know you want to come in here and say “Y’all suck” while continuing to contribute actually nothing to this game and knowing you can get away with it.
I can tell you to go with behavioral analysis over role analysis.
I can tell you that if you're going to foolishly stake the game on role analysis of supposedly "inconceivable" interactions, the town hasn't asked Iso near enough questions, or the right questions, from the sound of it.
I can tell you it's a real bad idea to rush the end of the day.
I can tell you there are probably too many people eagerly, repeatedly trying to do that, than is likely to come from a game-solving mentality.
I can tell you there have been insufficient attempts at serious analysis and PBPAs.
I can tell you that you don't particularly need flips to analyze this game meaningfully, and that shouldn't stop anyone from trying, same as they would on Day one.
I can also tell you that it seems really, really bad for my health at this point in the game for me to stick my neck out too far, because if the town isn't going to save itself by doing those things, I'm tempted to be the guy who does in spite of my win con, but I'm also tempted to say, spend time with my children and run a business and stuff. So...more like a coaching position seems like a fair compromise.
I don't like that Tom has repeatedly tried to end the day early. It's either very loose, or outright malicious. I don't rule out the possibility of Shadow gambiting. I think DV and Vez have had questionable reasoning, but that's not unusual. I also don't really think that Tom and Shadow are scum together. From Iso's flavor, I doubt the town's polished off very many scum.
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Kazin – Slip cleared. – Loudmouth – becomes untargetable except by a target, who he motivates. – Also, hit by vanilla ability. Double-cleared.
AE - mirror ability, gained one-shot, then got vanilla-blasted. I very much doubt he was hit by that ability as an attempt to clear him. That smells of scum self-defense. Role-claim is also clearly not faked, and at least one of the scum has faked their claims, as they’re continuing to make people vanilla.
Per Abilities and Such, Significantly Less likely Scum:
Shadow – jailer – either blocked the kill, or skipped kill and faked. Claimed to target Grape, to be reflected back to self. DV confirmed that shadow self-targeted. The line of play he came up with is probably a bit too ingenious for scum to fake, and his claim is at least partially verified via DV, so unless they're scum together, also a good chance he's not the guy who makes people vanilla.
Grape – reflects back to the source. Ability confirmed, via shadow. So, also less likely to be the vanilla scum guy. Behaviorally, haven’t minded him.
Yay, the Scum Will Hhave Kill Him for Us:
DV/nobue =- watcher – Haven’t been a fan of DV, at all, but as a watcher, he gonna die if town.
Unverified Claims, Thus More likely to be the Vanilla Scum, and have to BS their Claims, and Also Scummy Behaviorally
Rodemy -census taker and tom neighbor.
Vez - bulletproof
Certified Scum:
Tom - neighbor. Unverified claim, terrible behavior start to finish.
I kinda wish kazin and vezok would chime on more. How are we not calling them out right now?
Btw, we lose if we mislynch and havent actually killed scum yet, right?
So, gg if that's the case.
This assumes that I vote with the scum, right? 9-2 = 7, and Az votes with the three living scum to make it 4?
Kinda feels like something the scum have been talking about via private chat, that they'll be able to bank on me going along with them. Like, you have to be very confident making two assumptions to present this world view. One, that I'm going to vote with the scum, and two, that there are still 3 scum alive. Bit odd, for a townie.
Reminds of the tell that Nai caught me on, in my role behavioral analysis article. I was focused on presenting a lynch plan, that took into account lylo. Because as scum, I was definitely counting the bodies hitting the floor, and factoring that into my calculations very heavily. Same thing going on here.
Thanks, I appreciate that you didn’t just snap back with a quick witted retort.
@all: I do want to spend more time in this day, and I can’t do it now, so I think we should not be lynching yet. Someone go help me analyze living players interactions with people who were likely town due to night kill.
Thanks, I appreciate that you didn’t just snap back with a quick witted retort.
@all: I do want to spend more time in this day, and I can’t do it now, so I think we should not be lynching yet. Someone go help me analyze living players interactions with people who were likely town due to night kill.
Frankly, I think you'd be better off looking at the pool of players with unverified claims, as there's at least one scum in them guaranteed and it's not that big of a group.
Also, you could just reread how Tom has been driving the town into ridiculously idiotic mislynches all game, AE from today included. Because with no flips, he feels like he can completely and utterly get away with it. But man, is it obvious town murder.
Also, Census taker is one of those low percentage roles. Like, it's one of those things you go look up for your fake-claim on a mafia wiki, but that only really appears in like .2% of games. Pretty sure that was fake. It's a really uncommon role choice, and so easy to fake given publicly available info. And if Tom is scum, the neighbor thing could easily be cover for both to fake claims, without really tying the one to the other in a compromising fashion.
But far less confident in Rod being scum than Tom. Because A), this whole design is weird and includes exotic stuff like no-reveal for which census makes more sense and fits very naturally, and B), Rodemy has pinged me positive as well as really negatively. Haven't bothered sorting that out, but someone really should Tom has just been midnight black.
Unverified claim my ass
I've been rolecopped AND have a living neighbor.
Unless you think I'm scum with Joe AND rodemy
Think it's far more likely Joe had the rolecop and the vanillizer.
And while vanillizing a buddy to try to townfirm is definitely a silly play, so would vanillizing town archmage with a watcher and/or a jailkeeper to deal with, so...
Also I think this is where I point out that AZ has literally never townread me to discredit him, but to be fair I think he was like 2 for 3 on that being right before this game, and he's pretty clearly barely reading this one anyway.
I'm starting to think Azrael is just scum. Tom is more than verified. Th only scum team possible with him is terry and Rodemy. If Rodemy is scum with tom I'll eat two shoes and upload the video.
@shadow: What exactly do you want to get from today? I don't see any valuable discussion on the last three pages.
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I dislike how Azreals analysis of the game hinges on two things.
A) We haven't lynched scum.
B) We have lynched a ***** ton of protection roles. Then Town reads most of the remaining protection roles even though the ones left are way scummier as roles than the ones we had earlier.
Such a myopic view seems scary to me. Azreal is ignoring the painted picture of the game and solely focusing on alive players.
There's no record of what has been done only current events.
Lynching Az seems kind of pointless. He's probably just a survivor.
Agree that tom's claim is very verified and is only a lie if he's scum with Joe and Rod and I don't believe for a second that Tom and Terry are scum/scum. His role doesn't make him town, but he's very clearly a neighbor.
@Az What do you make of AE's behavior? I agree the vanilla'ing is super weird, but that doesn't change the fact that he just lied about what he thought happened at the start of D3. Mechanically AE looks pretty decent, but his behavior makes no sense unless he's scum. Also just for the record I suggested Shadow's line of play in the thread and then never brought it back up and hoped scum hadn't noticed. So it wasn't 100% him coming up with an ingenious line of play, more of a collaboration or independent genius. Still think Shadow is probably town though. Just wanted some credit.
Anyway the point Az raised about Tom and Rodemy separately being thirsty to push through the AE lynch is strange. Rod voting him while berating us about ignoring him on Shadow is just about the scummiest thing that's happened all game. Well except AE lying which is why I'm conflicted.
The lying is just worse though and AE is probably just scum despite the vanilla'ing.
Unclaimed public day targeting role to make someone fire the cannons.
Kazin day 1, claimed vanillized.
Archmage day 3, despite making no sense.
Grape claimed public day targeting role to make someone swab the deck.
Tom day 3 (notably the other went off the same day) - confirmed mirror by shadow/DV (technically and hilariously could have been shadow blocks DV (again), but shadow claimed first and wouldn't have known DV target)
DV day 4 (in progress)
Joe rolecop and archmage absorber confirmed by eachother night 2
Night 1 target was me, though he showed no knowledge before I claimed. But me getting rolecopped by scum n1 basically makes nothing but sense tbh. Wanna know if I had a claim to save me before keeping me alive to invite suspicion late. And really he could have claimed any target because of the redirect thingy, so it's probably true regardless unless joe... wasn't a rolecop which... why?
AZ neutral + soulsteal
Rodemy confirms existence of neutral AND the soulsteal.
Other nights holstered.
Me and rodemy neighbors. Confirmed by eachother as well as Joe
(In the interest of thoroughness, I could also have been neighbors with rhand, scum with rodemy, and joe town. I think grape is the only viable third? Maybe vezok.)
Shadow jailkeeper.
Az>kazin n1
Me n2
Me>himself n3 via grape
DV ~watched/failed n2 and n3, meaning either true claim or blocked/jailed DV one or both nights
No other claimed role could have stopped the kill
(Actually
@vezok would you be informed if your vest was gone? Not a likely one but technically an alternate explanation)
So either shadow blocked a kill or chose to no kill, *or the vezok thing which I guess could be either alignment for shadow but is also probably stupid either way
DV, vezok, kazin, [all dead players except joe] unconfirmed by other players
Did I miss anything?
I still strongly believe that scum having a vanillizer without a way of learning roles doesn't make sense. We've got Joe and arch so I see no reason to speculate it came from any of the unconfirmeds. So lynching arch pretty much guarantees in my mind we've hit one scum at minimum.
I'm gonna really hope it's two dead between those two and dawn/dota
(And if it's three... sweet)
Rodemy/AZ and shadow/DV are fun tinfoil teams
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Things were starting to look up on the Red Marrow.
Sure, 5 of us were dead and the captain was crazy. But the crew was beginning to understand.
They were pretty sure they knew some people who weren't mutineers, at least.
And the plans for that night seemed very solid and the narrator seemed quite proud to have come up with them.
The iceberg didn't seem so looming today when it clearly didn't give a ***** about the ship.
I'm trying not to give vezok too much credit for seeing my wagon for the bull***** that it is. Because if I do it's literally my entire wagon (including future 3rd vote archmage) is the poe and that's too omgusy even for me
But, like. Yeah.
rhand/kami/grape
dv/shadow/kazin
vezok
az/rodemy/dota dawn/archmage joe
You're right, Tom's non-traditional abilities were verified.
The better way to put that would be, who has space in their roleclaim for additional, powered abilities such as the beam. That's a list of about three people, by my reckoning, unless the scum got double-powered roles while the town gets derpy unpowered neighbors.
I’m not expecting it really, just want him to have some sort of baseline that lets me go “if he makes less sense than this, he’s scum” but I’m probably enever going to get that.
Vote AE
I'm just on this plan AE's thing feels like last ditch effort.
Grape hasn't done his thing yet.
Waiting PATIENTLY
Whatever.
*waits*
Okay. Then how did dv watch you....
Jeeze almost had me.
Im not really that dumb.
@AE What did you think happened at the start of yesterday? I want all your thought processes from when you got targeted to when you decided to vote Rodemy. I've been banging this drum a while and you've not even tried to answer my questions. I'm tired of it.
@Rodemy what? I don't follow you at all.
Confirmed with iso
Shadow jailed himself.
D_v targeted shadow
D_v "can confirm that is exactly what shadow did"
How?
Soo... is it clicking?
Confirmed with iso
Shadow jailed himself.
D_v targeted shadow
D_v "can confirm that is exactly what shadow did"
How?
Soo... is it clicking?
Confirmed with iso
Shadow jailed himself.
D_v targeted shadow
D_v "can confirm that is exactly what shadow did"
How?
Soo... is it clicking?
And technically yeah DV/Shadow viable team but why the **** would they have skipped a kill? Game was already in the bag for them
Rodemy I really think you need to ask the mod instead of keeping this silly claim going.
Don't want to do anything about that just wanted to say it
I should really remove this link from my sig or update my cube thread. I haven't touched that thread in like 4 years.
Does anyone read AE's start of D3 differently to how I laid it out? There was never really any discussion about it just kind of brushing it off saying "yeah that sounds right, but let's lynch Terry first."
Vote: AE
That should be two votes on AE.
Should be able to pile on looking at the wording ("before a lynch is reached" when I asked him for clarification, pm just had the vague "beginning of the day" wording.) but I still kind of want AE to answer even I'm pretty decided.
I still don't believe it, but nobody is on my side so we shall see.
unvote vote ae
I will just shut up now.
Btw, we lose if we mislynch and havent actually killed scum yet, right?
So, gg if that's the case.
Except he never mentioned that. You are creating a narrative FOR him. He never once said,
"my ability failed, lol."
So how can he just willy nilly say "that's what shadow did"? When his ability faaaaaaiiiiillled... and he DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
Idk, i feel like it would be mentionable, right? Not some narrative you place on what he said, which btw i put up there with answering questions directed at other people.
Anyway. Goodnigjt
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I agree and that's why I don't want him that close to the lynch till there is at least a bit more discussion. For instance why are you voting him while wringing your hands about people not participating? And I agree that this ruling isn't intuitive but the paradox makes sense. And DV's confirmed it so either Shadow and DV are scum together trying to "prove" Shadow's jailing ability or shadow is telling the truth about how his ability works interacting with mine. I don't think the former is plausible because I doubt they would have skipped a kill and just had DV "confirm" it in that case.
And no? We don't lose. Even worst case scenario we're still live going into tomorrow with 7 (or 8 if Shadow blocks the kill again) either way we're still alive by your own census (3 scum).
I'm vanilla now. I will reply to this tomorrow when I get home.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
@Rodemy this is his first post of the day. Which is him implicitly confirming Shadow used the ability. He doesn't state that his shot failed targeting shadow, but that's the only thing that is the only result that could make him confident to say that shadow self protected using my redirect. I guess he could have gotten blocked by Shadow but since Shadow had already claimed self targeting and there wasn't a kill that makes no sense at all.
I'll ask again if you're worried and feel like town is railroading towards a loss and you have these concerns (shadow mechanically, me creating a narrative) why are you voting AE with me and shadow's intention to vote?
@AE that quote has nothing to do with you being vanilla or not. And it doesn't even really answer if you kept the one shot of role cop which was the only question wrt your vanilla'ness because you'd be vanilla now if you fired it last night too.
Briefly considered AZ tbh but that's bad.
I can tell you to go with behavioral analysis over role analysis.
I can tell you that if you're going to foolishly stake the game on role analysis of supposedly "inconceivable" interactions, the town hasn't asked Iso near enough questions, or the right questions, from the sound of it.
I can tell you it's a real bad idea to rush the end of the day.
I can tell you there are probably too many people eagerly, repeatedly trying to do that, than is likely to come from a game-solving mentality.
I can tell you there have been insufficient attempts at serious analysis and PBPAs.
I can tell you that you don't particularly need flips to analyze this game meaningfully, and that shouldn't stop anyone from trying, same as they would on Day one.
I can also tell you that it seems really, really bad for my health at this point in the game for me to stick my neck out too far, because if the town isn't going to save itself by doing those things, I'm tempted to be the guy who does in spite of my win con, but I'm also tempted to say, spend time with my children and run a business and stuff. So...more like a coaching position seems like a fair compromise.
I don't like that Tom has repeatedly tried to end the day early. It's either very loose, or outright malicious. I don't rule out the possibility of Shadow gambiting. I think DV and Vez have had questionable reasoning, but that's not unusual. I also don't really think that Tom and Shadow are scum together. From Iso's flavor, I doubt the town's polished off very many scum.
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Az
Kazin – Slip cleared. – Loudmouth – becomes untargetable except by a target, who he motivates. – Also, hit by vanilla ability. Double-cleared.
AE - mirror ability, gained one-shot, then got vanilla-blasted. I very much doubt he was hit by that ability as an attempt to clear him. That smells of scum self-defense. Role-claim is also clearly not faked, and at least one of the scum has faked their claims, as they’re continuing to make people vanilla.
Per Abilities and Such, Significantly Less likely Scum:
Shadow – jailer – either blocked the kill, or skipped kill and faked. Claimed to target Grape, to be reflected back to self. DV confirmed that shadow self-targeted. The line of play he came up with is probably a bit too ingenious for scum to fake, and his claim is at least partially verified via DV, so unless they're scum together, also a good chance he's not the guy who makes people vanilla.
Grape – reflects back to the source. Ability confirmed, via shadow. So, also less likely to be the vanilla scum guy. Behaviorally, haven’t minded him.
Yay, the Scum Will Hhave Kill Him for Us:
DV/nobue =- watcher – Haven’t been a fan of DV, at all, but as a watcher, he gonna die if town.
Unverified Claims, Thus More likely to be the Vanilla Scum, and have to BS their Claims, and Also Scummy Behaviorally
Rodemy -census taker and tom neighbor.
Vez - bulletproof
Certified Scum:
Tom - neighbor. Unverified claim, terrible behavior start to finish.
There.Vote: Tom.
This assumes that I vote with the scum, right? 9-2 = 7, and Az votes with the three living scum to make it 4?
Kinda feels like something the scum have been talking about via private chat, that they'll be able to bank on me going along with them. Like, you have to be very confident making two assumptions to present this world view. One, that I'm going to vote with the scum, and two, that there are still 3 scum alive. Bit odd, for a townie.
Reminds of the tell that Nai caught me on, in my role behavioral analysis article. I was focused on presenting a lynch plan, that took into account lylo. Because as scum, I was definitely counting the bodies hitting the floor, and factoring that into my calculations very heavily. Same thing going on here.
Rod and Tom. Maybe Vez.
@all: I do want to spend more time in this day, and I can’t do it now, so I think we should not be lynching yet. Someone go help me analyze living players interactions with people who were likely town due to night kill.
Frankly, I think you'd be better off looking at the pool of players with unverified claims, as there's at least one scum in them guaranteed and it's not that big of a group.
Also, you could just reread how Tom has been driving the town into ridiculously idiotic mislynches all game, AE from today included. Because with no flips, he feels like he can completely and utterly get away with it. But man, is it obvious town murder.
Also, Census taker is one of those low percentage roles. Like, it's one of those things you go look up for your fake-claim on a mafia wiki, but that only really appears in like .2% of games. Pretty sure that was fake. It's a really uncommon role choice, and so easy to fake given publicly available info. And if Tom is scum, the neighbor thing could easily be cover for both to fake claims, without really tying the one to the other in a compromising fashion.
But far less confident in Rod being scum than Tom. Because A), this whole design is weird and includes exotic stuff like no-reveal for which census makes more sense and fits very naturally, and B), Rodemy has pinged me positive as well as really negatively. Haven't bothered sorting that out, but someone really should Tom has just been midnight black.
TL; DR, just analyze and then lynch Tom already.
I've been rolecopped AND have a living neighbor.
Unless you think I'm scum with Joe AND rodemy
Think it's far more likely Joe had the rolecop and the vanillizer.
And while vanillizing a buddy to try to townfirm is definitely a silly play, so would vanillizing town archmage with a watcher and/or a jailkeeper to deal with, so...
Back to ignoring him
I agree with az on some points such as more behavioral analysis.
Scum lie. Roles can be faked.
Everyone has ae all up in a scum tissy, when we have vezok, eho i can't rememver him anywhere cose to being devoted to this game as sone of you.
Ao maybe ahadow did get away with that complete bull***** move. Okay. Cool.
D-v confirma it just becauae, hey, if he confirma it, town points.
But d_v was jailed n2 so he has to have a night ability.
Ao lets say he is telling the truth.
Tom, is probably the cream beam holder.
Concidering every other ability has been proven and ae cant hold it because he was vanillad as was kazin so it cant be him.
vote tom
We've had a neighbor chat for two months
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Go ask the mod. Stop this *****.
I confirmed it because I watched Shadow nice shade though.
I wasn't jailed night two.
Like Rodemy is shading everyone. Azreals flailing so hard I think hes just doing an Osie impression and both of them are on Tom.
Like what?
A) We haven't lynched scum.
B) We have lynched a ***** ton of protection roles. Then Town reads most of the remaining protection roles even though the ones left are way scummier as roles than the ones we had earlier.
Such a myopic view seems scary to me. Azreal is ignoring the painted picture of the game and solely focusing on alive players.
There's no record of what has been done only current events.
Its that kind of slanderous post that makes me hate this game.
Azreal has been making all sorts of these kind of shade throwing attempts.
You know what too. Azreal has pointed out if he does side with scum(And we missed) we lose tomorrow.
Unvote Vote Azreal
I'll take the option that doesn't equate to me losing tomorrow no matter what. Doesn't have this game snaked by an SK.
But he's probably just neutral/would rather lynch arch
If he is scum I feel like it's exactly az/rod/arch a good portion of the time so...
I've found both of their treatments of arch extremely suspect
Agree that tom's claim is very verified and is only a lie if he's scum with Joe and Rod and I don't believe for a second that Tom and Terry are scum/scum. His role doesn't make him town, but he's very clearly a neighbor.
@Az What do you make of AE's behavior? I agree the vanilla'ing is super weird, but that doesn't change the fact that he just lied about what he thought happened at the start of D3. Mechanically AE looks pretty decent, but his behavior makes no sense unless he's scum. Also just for the record I suggested Shadow's line of play in the thread and then never brought it back up and hoped scum hadn't noticed. So it wasn't 100% him coming up with an ingenious line of play, more of a collaboration or independent genius. Still think Shadow is probably town though. Just wanted some credit.
Anyway the point Az raised about Tom and Rodemy separately being thirsty to push through the AE lynch is strange. Rod voting him while berating us about ignoring him on Shadow is just about the scummiest thing that's happened all game. Well except AE lying which is why I'm conflicted.
The lying is just worse though and AE is probably just scum despite the vanilla'ing.
Unclaimed public day targeting role to make someone fire the cannons.
Kazin day 1, claimed vanillized.
Archmage day 3, despite making no sense.
Grape claimed public day targeting role to make someone swab the deck.
Tom day 3 (notably the other went off the same day) - confirmed mirror by shadow/DV (technically and hilariously could have been shadow blocks DV (again), but shadow claimed first and wouldn't have known DV target)
DV day 4 (in progress)
Joe rolecop and archmage absorber confirmed by eachother night 2
Night 1 target was me, though he showed no knowledge before I claimed. But me getting rolecopped by scum n1 basically makes nothing but sense tbh. Wanna know if I had a claim to save me before keeping me alive to invite suspicion late. And really he could have claimed any target because of the redirect thingy, so it's probably true regardless unless joe... wasn't a rolecop which... why?
AZ neutral + soulsteal
Rodemy confirms existence of neutral AND the soulsteal.
Other nights holstered.
Me and rodemy neighbors. Confirmed by eachother as well as Joe
(In the interest of thoroughness, I could also have been neighbors with rhand, scum with rodemy, and joe town. I think grape is the only viable third? Maybe vezok.)
Shadow jailkeeper.
Az>kazin n1
Me n2
Me>himself n3 via grape
DV ~watched/failed n2 and n3, meaning either true claim or blocked/jailed DV one or both nights
No other claimed role could have stopped the kill
(Actually
@vezok would you be informed if your vest was gone? Not a likely one but technically an alternate explanation)
So either shadow blocked a kill or chose to no kill, *or the vezok thing which I guess could be either alignment for shadow but is also probably stupid either way
DV, vezok, kazin, [all dead players except joe] unconfirmed by other players
Did I miss anything?
I still strongly believe that scum having a vanillizer without a way of learning roles doesn't make sense. We've got Joe and arch so I see no reason to speculate it came from any of the unconfirmeds. So lynching arch pretty much guarantees in my mind we've hit one scum at minimum.
I'm gonna really hope it's two dead between those two and dawn/dota
(And if it's three... sweet)
Rodemy/AZ and shadow/DV are fun tinfoil teams
~~~~{<^>}~~~~
Things were starting to look up on the Red Marrow.
Sure, 5 of us were dead and the captain was crazy. But the crew was beginning to understand.
They were pretty sure they knew some people who weren't mutineers, at least.
And the plans for that night seemed very solid and the narrator seemed quite proud to have come up with them.
The iceberg didn't seem so looming today when it clearly didn't give a ***** about the ship.
I'm trying not to give vezok too much credit for seeing my wagon for the bull***** that it is. Because if I do it's literally my entire wagon (including future 3rd vote archmage) is the poe and that's too omgusy even for me
But, like. Yeah.
rhand/kami/grapedv/shadow/kazin
vezok
az/rodemy/
dotadawn/archmagejoeThe better way to put that would be, who has space in their roleclaim for additional, powered abilities such as the beam. That's a list of about three people, by my reckoning, unless the scum got double-powered roles while the town gets derpy unpowered neighbors.