@Phraze if Shin allies, does he not protect u? The possibility is there that maybe u we're attacked... That's what I was trying to get at before, unless I'm forgetting how shins role works...
night actions happen before the AB game. Shin is a delayed roleblocker in that sense. even if he protects me, it doesn't affect factional kills, nor will it affect my night action for the phase.
ohh thats right, thx for the clarification lol. I forgot he specifically said that...
@Tom
I roleblocked Kaba. based off possible correlation to Shin (about Phoenix)
All right, so, the first question I would ask Kaba is: are you claiming to have used an action or attempted to use one last night, without saying what it was.
@Axel
wasn't sure if RB works on factional kills tbh. so I tried whoever could be BP Taker, hoping for offchance they will be killer as well.
Wait, didn't we already establish this? Wasn't there a whole big thing about it? Are you saying you still don't know if your RB will block a NK attempt? How can that even be possible?
Shin allied. I'm back to 4 BP. no RB for next phase.
worried if he would risk blocking me. then again, AB happens after night actions. left decision with Ally, since Betray might give me 3 BP extra. win/win situation by going with Ally.
So, I completely forgot who you were paired up with and the implications of that. I'm not sure how this is/was supposed to work.
Under normal circumstances, if you are trying to get down to 1 BP for the vig.shot, you should be choosing "Ally" while the person you are paired with is picking "Betray." If you were happy sitting a 3 and don't want to go down more, you pick "Betray" and your pair also picks "Betray" and you sit where you are.
But with Shin specifically (according to claim), his ability says if he picks "Betray" then you get RBed. So he would have been preventing you from RBing by picking Betray. Except by picking "Ally" he is guaranteeing that you get boosted up and won't be able to do it again tonight.
That's kind of complicated. I don't know what I would have done if I had the role Shin. claimed. I *think* I would have still gone "Betray" though. Because even though it means you miss your RB tonight, you are not prevented tomorrow and you get closer to vig. shot. And let's face it, the chances you would specifically pick the player actually doing the NK are low. By picking Ally, he's negating tomorrow for today (last night), and your chances of blocking tomorrow would have been better just statistically with fewer people to pick from.
But, even though I think I feel that way. I did have to think about it. And I guess I'm not 100% it's the correct thing to do.
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@Phraze if Shin allies, does he not protect u? The possibility is there that maybe u we're attacked... That's what I was trying to get at before, unless I'm forgetting how shins role works...
night actions happen before the AB game. Shin is a delayed roleblocker in that sense. even if he protects me, it doesn't affect factional kills, nor will it affect my night action for the phase.
That wasn't my understanding of how his role worked.
That doesn't even make sense to me if that's how it works.
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-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
Where are you getting him being a "delayed" Rber?
Though it does kind of raise the mechanical question of - can 1 Rber stop another RBer? If both abilities are supposed to be going off at the same time?
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1. Immunities
2. Controlling another player's actions
3. First strike non-killing actions
4. Gaining actions
5. Losing actions
6. Redirecting / replacement effects
7. Roleblocking
8. Protecting
9. Rescuing / Reviving
10. Sending items or messages
11. First strike killing actions
12. Killing actions
13. Gathering information
14. Anything else
This seems to suggest that an ability like what Shin claimed - that causes someone to "lose" abilities - would go off before a regular RBing ability.
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Someone else blocked it, and I'm now at 6 BP. To my surprise, Jenna allied me. So, I guess the scum will have a dilemma for tonight on what to do about that.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Vote Kaba
Either scum skipped a kill, someone hasn't spoken up, or we have scum in Kaba/Dawning.
Kaba: did you perform an action last night? If so, can you confirm that you were role blocked?
Confirming that Osi and I allied. To whoever asked, I would not have tolerated Osi betraying me because I don't trust that he's town just yet. Our night chat definitely helped, and him allying is a good sign.
@Osi: I didn't see your last couple messages until just now; to answer your question...Maybe, but I think today's events give us juicier fish to fry.
Wait, didn't we already establish this? Wasn't there a whole big thing about it? Are you saying you still don't know if your RB will block a NK attempt? How can that even be possible?
roleblock said ability. ability doesn't necessarily refer to the factional kill. then there's the whole 'why does Shin have a factional kill' line in his pm. nothing is guaranteed unless proven otherwise.
night actions are listed before the AB game. the effects of Shin's decision (block/protect) will happen only in the next night action sequence. as an example, Last's action should be guaranteed to go through because of Shin's previous allying. regardless of Shin's decision, my N2 night action was bound to go through.
my goal of getting to 1 BP means getting betrayed while I ally. if I ever choose betray, scum could use some excuse to ally and bump my BP up by 3. the only choice for me is to ally, with the other party choosing betray. getting 1 BP extra or 1 BP minus is the only risk in my ally-only decision.
for Shin's choices:
- he could choose to block me next phase with betray, but bump me down 1 BP.
- or he could let me use my action next phase, but bump me up 1 BP.
conclusion: it's a stalemate. which is why I wanted his lynch before it happened. with that, I won't be surprised if the NK decision was me - since it will silence me from voicing this. I probably blocked the kill (which is the only possibility unless Azrael used his shot).
Someone else blocked it, and I'm now at 6 BP. To my surprise, Jenna allied me. So, I guess the scum will have a dilemma for tonight on what to do about that.
well, that's a nice surprise. depends if Jenna is scum who was planning to NK + take BP from you (if you also allied). I'll safely assume you didn't use your protect shot.
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Confirming that Osi and I allied. To whoever asked, I would not have tolerated Osi betraying me because I don't trust that he's town just yet. Our night chat definitely helped, and him allying is a good sign.
I see... that sounds like a valid reason. you have too much BP though, which is equally worrying.
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Ya I gave bp to Iso, someone seemed to not want Iso to reach his threshold, whether it be because they are scum or town, Idk, but I think hes town, so id rather he reach his threshold in case hes ever lynched...
vote: Kabazame I guess we can start here... I had suspicions that he could be scum with the way he interacted with me, and how eager he was to see me go... but then again, a lot of people want to see me go lol..
Ya I gave bp to Iso, someone seemed to not want Iso to reach his threshold, whether it be because they are scum or town, Idk, but I think hes town, so id rather he reach his threshold in case hes ever lynched...
DBS I am fairly certain you are completely wrong about how Shin's role works.
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DBS I am fairly certain you are completely wrong about how Shin's role works.
if you think that is wrong, it actually supports my suspicion on him - instead of cast doubt.
Shin knows his brother isn't pro-using night actions on N1, besides announcing that he would betray beforehand, so there was no harm in choosing ally that first Night. if Shin allied to allow his brother to use his N2 night actions...I will be rethinking my reads.
according to him, he never intended to betray anyone but Dawn/LnG.....yet he allied with me N2. why would he be offended at Last's betrayal then, when he announced it beforehand? if he allied out of necessity, it would be to enable Last to use his N2 abilities - since he knows his brother won't use actions on N1.
if you say the RB occurs on the same phase, and can override another RB, you're also suggesting that he allied Last with an intention to frame him.
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DBS I am fairly certain you are completely wrong about how Shin's role works.
well if shin isnt lying, then she probably is, no offense to her intelligence...
hmm? say that again.
did you intend to use your actions on N1? I remember you saying you aren't going to use your ability on N1, besides how you're generally against N1 abilities firing off. why would Shin enable/ally you to use an ability you don't intend to use in the first place?
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I do not understand anything you are saying. It is almost like you speak a different language.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm almost ready to vote Kaba soley on the strength of "he got Rbed on the night there was no kill."
Unless someone wants to pipe up that they know of an alternate explanation.
Because baring that, for Kaba not to be scum it would mean:
(1) Scum chose to skip a kill to frame whoever DBS might choose to RB, and risk that DBS might be blocking one of them anyway and that plan just horribly backfires, or
(2) DBS is scum herself.
What else?
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Yes I confirm what Azrael said, he Betrayed and I allied so he is the one with all the BP and I'm one at 1 BP, not the other way around. I don't have 5 BP.
I would also like to know if anyone is claiming to have lost a BP like Iso supposedly did on N1.
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DBS I am fairly certain you are completely wrong about how Shin's role works.
well if shin isnt lying, then she probably is, no offense to her intelligence...
hmm? say that again.
did you intend to use your actions on N1? I remember you saying you aren't going to use your ability on N1, besides how you're generally against N1 abilities firing off. why would Shin enable/ally you to use an ability you don't intend to use in the first place?
??? not abilities like this? I mean stuff like shooting people n1... unless ur beyond a doubt sure... and what does him allying with me have to do with your last statement? You think he had no reason to ally me because I wasnt gunna use my ability? First I dont recall saying I'd never use my ability, and why should he be betraying me if I didnt want to use my ability???
but thinking about this, just gave me a slight reason to think his role would be better for scum... and in the quote you posted I was talking about you being wrong on how shins ability works, not wrong in any of your statements about why he did what he did night 1...
I'm not seeing another alternate explanation other than the two you have posted there, Axel.
And I'm not really seeing the value of (2). What's the play there?
a) Don't take an action (unless roleblocked players aren't told they were roleblocked?) and lie about using it then getting lynched after Kabazame flips town?
i. With all of the claimed roles, I'm not sure I'd take a shot in the dark and RB Kaba in this scenario as scum.
b) Be scum with Kabazame and megabus him?
If DBS is scum in this scenario, that only makes sense if she's scum with Kabazame, and that seems like an extremely questionable gambit to me.
I am curious about DBS continuing on the Shin train with the evidence she's already provided, but Az also hadn't responded yet. I'm also still skeeved out by Lastwhisper's mannerisms and actions, but that's for another day. Want to wait for a response, but this seems fairly straightforward unless there's additional info outstanding.
I...didn't? I was paired with Kabazame. We allied each other. Which I find bizarre, because I'm pretty sure he was scumreading me at the end of Day 2. I was hoping he'd betray me and that I'd get hit with the -1 again and I'd die and be put out of my misery. But alas.
Ya I gave bp to Iso, someone seemed to not want Iso to reach his threshold, whether it be because they are scum or town, Idk, but I think hes town, so id rather he reach his threshold in case hes ever lynched...
Can confirm; I received 1 BP from allying with Kabazame, and 1 BP from "an ability", which I assumed was LW's.
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Kab was Roleblocked when there was no NK, and allied me against his stated read of me? I am okay with this lynch.
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@Axel
probably should've been more organized I guess.
if Last doesn't know who to trust and give BP to, he wouldn't give any - and bros know each other best. the default choice if he was town, is to betray someone who said they would betray - moreover when said person might not use his ability. what is the backlash of enabling/allying Last for N1? nothing. Shin risked himself losing 1 BP over the 1st Night when nobody might be using abilities in the first place, then comes out scumreading said person for it?
--> the difference is only if the effects are carried over to the next phase - a phase more sure of someone using an ability.
@Last
if you mean I'm wrong in how Shin's ability works... the listing of Game Mechanics say otherwise.
Night Actions before AB Game = I can roleblock or whatever before Shin can Betray/Ally to block/protect me.
and I tried explaining above... there's a big difference in being able to block/protect in the same or following phase.
@Cynthare
I wouldn't have roleblocked Kaba if I didn't consider Shin to be scum. Shin was lowkey defending Phoenix before changing his tone, then we see Kaba voting Terry for pushing Phoenix. but I guess... might switch to Kaba if nothing new happens. no NK is better than speculation over counterclaims.
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I didn't like some of his earlier posts, and I think at times he's been pushing an agenda rather than hunting.
And he Betrayed me!
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@Osie
should've asked Phoenix to Ally while you Betray. he has 6 BP under his belt with no use for it. extra 3 BP is better than 1 BP. not good.
Ehh... I don't ever really have a need to go above 3 BP; my role costs 1 BP max per Night, so unless a BP taker targets me, I'm never going below 1. And besides, I'm the main character, so...
I don't need to be anything other than a prison guard's son
I don't need to be anything other than a specialist's son
I don't have to be anyone other than the birth of two souls in one
Part of where I'm going is knowing where I'm coming from
I don't want to be anything
Other than what I've been trying to be lately
All I have to do is think of me and I have peace of mind
I'm tired of looking around rooms wondering what I gotta do
Or who I'm supposed to be
I don't want to be anything other than me
I'm surrounded by liars everywhere I turn
I'm surrounded by imposters everywhere I turn
I'm surrounded by identity crisis everywhere I turn
Am I the only one to notice?
I can't be the only one who's learned
Nope, I dont believe that, thats how it works phraze... he clearly states tonight... nothing he wrote in his claims says its a delayed anything... and if its ******* delayed than mafia can just work around it... it literally makes no sense...
The only other option is that his ability is completely fake.....
I'm almost ready to vote Kaba soley on the strength of "he got Rbed on the night there was no kill."
Unless someone wants to pipe up that they know of an alternate explanation.
Because baring that, for Kaba not to be scum it would mean:
(1) Scum chose to skip a kill to frame whoever DBS might choose to RB, and risk that DBS might be blocking one of them anyway and that plan just horribly backfires, or
(2) DBS is scum herself.
What else?
I mean, 2 is also possible, but it seems less likely. This makes a lot of sense.
@Kabazame Axel is the most town read person in this game, why did you betray him???
@Everyone
So who wants to admit to losing BP unnaturally so you all can finally realize that I can only give BP...
@Osie
should've asked Phoenix to Ally while you Betray. he has 6 BP under his belt with no use for it. extra 3 BP is better than 1 BP. not good.
Ehh... I don't ever really have a need to go above 3 BP; my role costs 1 BP max per Night, so unless a BP taker targets me, I'm never going below 1. And besides, I'm the main character, so...
I don't need to be anything other than a prison guard's son
I don't need to be anything other than a specialist's son
I don't have to be anyone other than the birth of two souls in one
Part of where I'm going is knowing where I'm coming from
I don't want to be anything
Other than what I've been trying to be lately
All I have to do is think of me and I have peace of mind
I'm tired of looking around rooms wondering what I gotta do
Or who I'm supposed to be
I don't want to be anything other than me
I'm surrounded by liars everywhere I turn
I'm surrounded by imposters everywhere I turn
I'm surrounded by identity crisis everywhere I turn
Am I the only one to notice?
I can't be the only one who's learned
hmm I guess so. it makes you less vulnerable to betrayal schemes at least. Phoenix has plenty to spare atm.
Nope, I dont believe that, thats how it works phraze... he clearly states tonight... nothing he wrote in his claims says its a delayed anything... and if its ******* delayed than mafia can just work around it... it literally makes no sense...
The only other option is that his ability is completely fake.....
lol damn then maybe it's fake. Night Actions clearly go before the AB Game.
Kaba was against Terry's push on Phoenix. possible teaming. I find it a bit too...theatre'ish(?) if scum!Phoenix is pushed by scum!Terry but argued out by scum!Kaba.
3 is too much for theatre. maybe Phoenix is town while Terry is scum. kinda agrees with what happened...
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Someone else blocked it, and I'm now at 6 BP. To my surprise, Jenna allied me. So, I guess the scum will have a dilemma for tonight on what to do about that.
If you guys still want to murder me at some point, then we'll need me to -2, and my partner will need to betray me, and I'd need to select ally.
Like, this is so self-obsessed.
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@Kabazame Axel is the most town read person in this game, why did you betray him???
@Everyone
So who wants to admit to losing BP unnaturally so you all can finally realize that I can only give BP...
excuse me... Kabazame allied Iso.
and honestly, I would like to think Kaba is the BP Taker.
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@Kabazame Axel is the most town read person in this game, why did you betray him???
Wasn't Kaba betrayed me. Was Terry.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Someone else blocked it, and I'm now at 6 BP. To my surprise, Jenna allied me. So, I guess the scum will have a dilemma for tonight on what to do about that.
All right, so, the first question I would ask Kaba is: are you claiming to have used an action or attempted to use one last night, without saying what it was. Wait, didn't we already establish this? Wasn't there a whole big thing about it? Are you saying you still don't know if your RB will block a NK attempt? How can that even be possible?
So, I completely forgot who you were paired up with and the implications of that. I'm not sure how this is/was supposed to work.
Under normal circumstances, if you are trying to get down to 1 BP for the vig.shot, you should be choosing "Ally" while the person you are paired with is picking "Betray." If you were happy sitting a 3 and don't want to go down more, you pick "Betray" and your pair also picks "Betray" and you sit where you are.
But with Shin specifically (according to claim), his ability says if he picks "Betray" then you get RBed. So he would have been preventing you from RBing by picking Betray. Except by picking "Ally" he is guaranteeing that you get boosted up and won't be able to do it again tonight.
That's kind of complicated. I don't know what I would have done if I had the role Shin. claimed. I *think* I would have still gone "Betray" though. Because even though it means you miss your RB tonight, you are not prevented tomorrow and you get closer to vig. shot. And let's face it, the chances you would specifically pick the player actually doing the NK are low. By picking Ally, he's negating tomorrow for today (last night), and your chances of blocking tomorrow would have been better just statistically with fewer people to pick from.
But, even though I think I feel that way. I did have to think about it. And I guess I'm not 100% it's the correct thing to do.
That wasn't my understanding of how his role worked.
That doesn't even make sense to me if that's how it works.
Where are you getting him being a "delayed" Rber?
Though it does kind of raise the mechanical question of - can 1 Rber stop another RBer? If both abilities are supposed to be going off at the same time?
(1) Kaba was RB
(2) Mafia deliberately withholding shot
(3) Unknown agency
As our possibilities for the missing kill?
Either scum skipped a kill, someone hasn't spoken up, or we have scum in Kaba/Dawning.
Kaba: did you perform an action last night? If so, can you confirm that you were role blocked?
Confirming that Osi and I allied. To whoever asked, I would not have tolerated Osi betraying me because I don't trust that he's town just yet. Our night chat definitely helped, and him allying is a good sign.
@Osi: I didn't see your last couple messages until just now; to answer your question...Maybe, but I think today's events give us juicier fish to fry.
@Shinichi: why did you ally Dawning?
night actions are listed before the AB game. the effects of Shin's decision (block/protect) will happen only in the next night action sequence. as an example, Last's action should be guaranteed to go through because of Shin's previous allying. regardless of Shin's decision, my N2 night action was bound to go through.
my goal of getting to 1 BP means getting betrayed while I ally. if I ever choose betray, scum could use some excuse to ally and bump my BP up by 3. the only choice for me is to ally, with the other party choosing betray. getting 1 BP extra or 1 BP minus is the only risk in my ally-only decision.
for Shin's choices:
- he could choose to block me next phase with betray, but bump me down 1 BP.
- or he could let me use my action next phase, but bump me up 1 BP.
conclusion: it's a stalemate. which is why I wanted his lynch before it happened. with that, I won't be surprised if the NK decision was me - since it will silence me from voicing this. I probably blocked the kill (which is the only possibility unless Azrael used his shot).
I'm not sure. check the Game Mechanics list.
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Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Shin knows his brother isn't pro-using night actions on N1, besides announcing that he would betray beforehand, so there was no harm in choosing ally that first Night. if Shin allied to allow his brother to use his N2 night actions...I will be rethinking my reads.
according to him, he never intended to betray anyone but Dawn/LnG.....yet he allied with me N2. why would he be offended at Last's betrayal then, when he announced it beforehand? if he allied out of necessity, it would be to enable Last to use his N2 abilities - since he knows his brother won't use actions on N1.
if you say the RB occurs on the same phase, and can override another RB, you're also suggesting that he allied Last with an intention to frame him.
Be grateful, always."
did you intend to use your actions on N1? I remember you saying you aren't going to use your ability on N1, besides how you're generally against N1 abilities firing off. why would Shin enable/ally you to use an ability you don't intend to use in the first place?
Be grateful, always."
Unless someone wants to pipe up that they know of an alternate explanation.
Because baring that, for Kaba not to be scum it would mean:
(1) Scum chose to skip a kill to frame whoever DBS might choose to RB, and risk that DBS might be blocking one of them anyway and that plan just horribly backfires, or
(2) DBS is scum herself.
What else?
but thinking about this, just gave me a slight reason to think his role would be better for scum... and in the quote you posted I was talking about you being wrong on how shins ability works, not wrong in any of your statements about why he did what he did night 1...
And I'm not really seeing the value of (2). What's the play there?
a) Don't take an action (unless roleblocked players aren't told they were roleblocked?) and lie about using it then getting lynched after Kabazame flips town?
i. With all of the claimed roles, I'm not sure I'd take a shot in the dark and RB Kaba in this scenario as scum.
b) Be scum with Kabazame and megabus him?
If DBS is scum in this scenario, that only makes sense if she's scum with Kabazame, and that seems like an extremely questionable gambit to me.
I am curious about DBS continuing on the Shin train with the evidence she's already provided, but Az also hadn't responded yet. I'm also still skeeved out by Lastwhisper's mannerisms and actions, but that's for another day. Want to wait for a response, but this seems fairly straightforward unless there's additional info outstanding.
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I...didn't? I was paired with Kabazame. We allied each other. Which I find bizarre, because I'm pretty sure he was scumreading me at the end of Day 2. I was hoping he'd betray me and that I'd get hit with the -1 again and I'd die and be put out of my misery. But alas.
Can confirm; I received 1 BP from allying with Kabazame, and 1 BP from "an ability", which I assumed was LW's.
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Kab was Roleblocked when there was no NK, and allied me against his stated read of me? I am okay with this lynch.
Vote Kabazame
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No particular order...
Interactions with Kabazame
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
probably should've been more organized I guess.
if Last doesn't know who to trust and give BP to, he wouldn't give any - and bros know each other best. the default choice if he was town, is to betray someone who said they would betray - moreover when said person might not use his ability. what is the backlash of enabling/allying Last for N1? nothing. Shin risked himself losing 1 BP over the 1st Night when nobody might be using abilities in the first place, then comes out scumreading said person for it?
--> the difference is only if the effects are carried over to the next phase - a phase more sure of someone using an ability.
@Last
if you mean I'm wrong in how Shin's ability works... the listing of Game Mechanics say otherwise.
Night Actions before AB Game = I can roleblock or whatever before Shin can Betray/Ally to block/protect me.
and I tried explaining above... there's a big difference in being able to block/protect in the same or following phase.
@Cynthare
I wouldn't have roleblocked Kaba if I didn't consider Shin to be scum. Shin was lowkey defending Phoenix before changing his tone, then we see Kaba voting Terry for pushing Phoenix. but I guess... might switch to Kaba if nothing new happens. no NK is better than speculation over counterclaims.
Be grateful, always."
Ehh... I don't ever really have a need to go above 3 BP; my role costs 1 BP max per Night, so unless a BP taker targets me, I'm never going below 1. And besides, I'm the main character, so...
I don't need to be anything other than a specialist's son
I don't have to be anyone other than the birth of two souls in one
Part of where I'm going is knowing where I'm coming from
I don't want to be anything
Other than what I've been trying to be lately
All I have to do is think of me and I have peace of mind
I'm tired of looking around rooms wondering what I gotta do
Or who I'm supposed to be
I don't want to be anything other than me
I'm surrounded by liars everywhere I turn
I'm surrounded by imposters everywhere I turn
I'm surrounded by identity crisis everywhere I turn
Am I the only one to notice?
I can't be the only one who's learned
Fair. Keeping my vote where it is for the moment, but I'm not opposed to a Kaba lynch.
The only other option is that his ability is completely fake.....
I mean, 2 is also possible, but it seems less likely. This makes a lot of sense.
Vote: Kabazame
That's also a good reason.
@Everyone
So who wants to admit to losing BP unnaturally so you all can finally realize that I can only give BP...
hmm I guess so. it makes you less vulnerable to betrayal schemes at least. Phoenix has plenty to spare atm.
lol damn then maybe it's fake. Night Actions clearly go before the AB Game.
3 is too much for theatre. maybe Phoenix is town while Terry is scum. kinda agrees with what happened...
Be grateful, always."
and honestly, I would like to think Kaba is the BP Taker.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
They both look scummy at this point.
Terry betrays a townread (Axel).
have I got this correct?
Be grateful, always."
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