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hmm... how many more days left of this?
Phoenix
k if and when Az flips town, just know you are one of the last scum... so cheers...
Az and Tom arent buddies, but they are both town... thats my final position on this matter

vote cythare that is the best choice... or dont... Like I said before, I believe I got the scum team, so I know who will move and who won't

Quote from tomsloger »

i mean i dont want to claim but if a mass claim is happening im not totally against it

but if its just claim because im being voted nah im good

You get the part where there are only 3 people left who haven't claimed, yes? I think the rest of us should at this point.

If you want to claim there is a good reason you particularly shouldn't. Well, I would be interested to hear you say that.

@Tom: We're massclaiming then.

Quote from Phoenix-Fire »

@Last: My vote is exactly where I want it, I'm done letting Az slide.

Quote from tomsloger »

i have nothing relevant to claim

On top of the fact that I don't think Az and Tom are buddies, this is just too suicidal for scum to do; I can't imagine that scum wouldn't have been planning out claims. Az is hands down the better lynch.

@Jenna: don't have a lot of time to fill in your form currently, but I'll get to it before eod.

Excuse me? It takes two minutes max... and yours should be one of the easiest ones to complete. This worries me.

Time me on mobile, starting now with having to dig up the form two pages ago.

My character is: Sigma
My role name is: Tracker
My starting BP: 3

My 1st ability is called: Mind's Eye
Its BP cost is: 2
It has a BP threshold requirement of: -
What it does: Lists the targets a player visits. If they visit multiple players, they'll both be listed, but if they visit the same person twice, the person they visited will only be listed once

NIGHT 1
The ability I used: Mind's Eye
Who I used it on: Phoenix-Fire
My result was: Phoenix-Fire visited D_V

For AB, I was partnered with: Tom
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 2

NIGHT 2
The ability I used: -
Who I used it on:
My result was:

For AB, I was partnered with: Azrael
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Betray
My result was: -1
My BP at the end of the night: 1

NIGHT 3
The ability I used: -
Who I used it on:
My result was:

For AB, I was partnered with: Tom
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Betray
My result was: -1, but given +1 thanks to LastWhisper
My BP at the end of the night: 1

Forgot to include the info on the swap, but still, 4 - 5 minutes.

My character is: Eric
My role name is: Motivator
My starting BP: 3

My 1st ability is called: Really good ice cream
Its BP cost is: 4
What it does: pretty standard motivator they get to act twice and a caveat that they dont have to pay any additional bp costs

no uses yet, currently at 10 bp

AB n1, I was partnered with: jenna
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 4

AB n2, I was partnered with: cyth
My AB choice: betray
Their AB choice: ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 7

AB n3, I was partnered with: jenna
My AB choice: allybetray
Their AB choice: ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 10

My character is: K
My role name is: Town Self-Watcher
My starting BP: 3

My 1st ability is called: Empty Armor
Its BP cost is: 0
It has a BP threshold requirement of: 4
What it does: At the end of the night, I learn everyone who targeted me.

My 2nd ability (if I have one) is called: N/A

NIGHT 1
The ability I used: N/A

For AB, I was partnered with: LnGrrrR
My AB choice: A
Their AB choice: A
My result was: +1 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 4

NIGHT 2
The ability I used: N/A

For AB, I was partnered with: Tom
My AB choice: A
Their AB choice: B
My result was: -1 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 3

NIGHT 3
The ability I used: N/A

For AB, I was partnered with: Phoenix
My AB choice: A
Their AB choice: A
My result was: +1 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 4

Whoops I messed up a bold tag there somewhere.

Quote from Jenna Tolaria »

Excuse me? It takes two minutes max... and yours should be one of the easiest ones to complete. This worries me.

I was literally out of time, and it's not like it was that important since my role has been out in the open for ages, but here you go:

My character is: Carlos
My role name is: First Responder
My starting BP: 3

My 1st ability is called: Scene of the crime
Its BP cost is: NA
It has a BP threshold requirement of: NA
What it does: Passively visits players who die to collect role info for the thread. This ability passes if I die by betrayal.

NIGHT 1
The ability I used: Scene of the crime
Who I used it on: DV (automatic)
My result was: his role info

For AB, I was partnered with: Dawning
My AB choice: betray
Their AB choice: ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 6

NIGHT 2
The ability I used: NA (no one died)
Who I used it on: NA
My result was: NA

For AB, I was partnered with: Osieorb
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 7

NIGHT 3
The ability I used: scene of the crime
Who I used it on: Terry (automatic)
My result was: his role info

For AB, I was partnered with: Cythare
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 8

Quote from tomsloger »

My character is: Eric
My role name is: Motivator
My starting BP: 3

My 1st ability is called: Really good ice cream
Its BP cost is: 4
What it does: pretty standard motivator they get to act twice and a caveat that they dont have to pay any additional bp costs

no uses yet, currently at 10 bp

AB n1, I was partnered with: jenna
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 4

AB n2, I was partnered with: cyth
My AB choice: betray
Their AB choice: ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 7

AB n3, I was partnered with: jenna
My AB choice: allybetray
Their AB choice: ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 10

Why did you never use your ability?!?

Quote from Phoenix-Fire »

Quote from tomsloger »

My character is: Eric
My role name is: Motivator
My starting BP: 3

My 1st ability is called: Really good ice cream
Its BP cost is: 4
What it does: pretty standard motivator they get to act twice and a caveat that they dont have to pay any additional bp costs

no uses yet, currently at 10 bp

AB n1, I was partnered with: jenna
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 4

AB n2, I was partnered with: cyth
My AB choice: betray
Their AB choice: ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 7

AB n3, I was partnered with: jenna
My AB choice: allybetray
Their AB choice: ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 10

Why did you never use your ability?!?

Hmm, I guess you could only have used it last night. So why didn't you?

Cythare's ability seems utterly useless.

Quote from tomsloger »

i mean i dont want to claim but if a mass claim is happening im not totally against it

but if its just claim because im being voted nah im good

¿Por que no los dos? (Why not both?)

Quote from Phoenix-Fire »

@Last: My vote is exactly where I want it, I'm done letting Az slide.

You are doing an extremely good job of making sure I think you're scum with tom.

Ok so Cythare is def scum after that claim... And Tom isn't helping me trust him when I can't even understand what his claim does...

Quote from Iso »

Cythare's ability seems utterly useless.

Quote from tomsloger »

i mean i dont want to claim but if a mass claim is happening im not totally against it

but if its just claim because im being voted nah im good

¿Por que no los dos? (Why not both?)

Quote from Phoenix-Fire »

@Last: My vote is exactly where I want it, I'm done letting Az slide.

You are doing an extremely good job of making sure I think you're scum with tom.

same kinda, except I think he's scum with cyth

All right then:

My character is: Akane
My role name is: Town Duelist
My starting BP: 3

My 1st ability is called: I need this for my plan
Its BP cost is: 3
It has a BP threshold requirement of: -
What it does: Basically, self re-director. Target a player and they will target me instead of their original target.

NIGHT 1
The ability I used: -
Who I used it on: -
My result was: -

For AB, I was partnered with: DV
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 4

NIGHT 2
The ability I used: -
Who I used it on: -
My result was: -

For AB, I was partnered with: Terry
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Betray
My result was: -1
My BP at the end of the night: 3

NIGHT 3
The ability I used: -
Who I used it on: -
My result was: -

For AB, I was partnered with: DBS
My AB choice: Betray
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 6

Now, this role sucks. It seems to me that the situations where I would ever want to do this are very few and far between. And it costs an arm and a leg. That said, I do currently have enough BP to do it tonight without risk of instant death.

I'm currently eyeballing Cyth's claim. And it's partly because he has said the role is named "Self-Watcher." That might sound straightforward enough, but doesn't jibe with my name, since I'm a self-re-director, but my "name" is "Town Duelist." Also, his ability is free, and mine costs 3.

I'm sure I'll have some other thoughts. I'm going to finish the D3 analysis I started working on last night.

Bur uses "Duelist" because that's what I've called that role in my own setups.

Let's say there really isn't a to, then right now my best bet is that it's 8/3 so we only have room for one mislynch. So if we mislynch today, then tmr we will be in lylo/Mylo, Mylo means someone can stop the nk right? Possibly?

Quote from Iso »

Bur uses "Duelist" because that's what I've called that role in my own setups.

I have never heard of that before.

Quote from Axelrod »

Quote from Iso »

Bur uses "Duelist" because that's what I've called that role in my own setups.

I have never heard of that before.

Clearly you should play in more Iso setups!

What does "Duelist" have to do with self-redirecting? It totally sounds like it should be a killing role. Or fighting, or something. /off topic.

Quote from Axelrod »

What does "Duelist" have to do with self-redirecting? It totally sounds like it should be a killing role. Or fighting, or something. /off topic.

because it forces the person to fight you instead

Duel
Legion Commander and the target enemy hero are forced to attack each other for a short duration. Neither hero can use items or abilities. If either hero dies during the duration, the hero winning the Duel gains permanent bonus damage. Upgradable by Aghanim's Scepter.

That is the ultimate ability of Legion Commander, a hero in dota... I think duelist is the perfect name

So on BS -- 10 Scale...
Cythare's Claim is the most bs...
Can anyone explain to me what Tom's ability does?

Quote from Axelrod »

What does "Duelist" have to do with self-redirecting? It totally sounds like it should be a killing role. Or fighting, or something. /off topic.

You "challenge them to a duel" thus taking their attention off of anyone else and forcing them to "defend their honor" by targeting you.

Quote from Iso »

Quote from Axelrod »

What does "Duelist" have to do with self-redirecting? It totally sounds like it should be a killing role. Or fighting, or something. /off topic.

You "challenge them to a duel" thus taking their attention off of anyone else and forcing them to "defend their honor" by targeting you.

+1 the fact that Axel doesnt understand why his role is named that, actually makes me trust his claim the most, its not like I didnt already have him as town!firmed before tho.

Quote from Lastwhisper »

So on BS -- 10 Scale...
Cythare's Claim is the most bs...
Can anyone explain to me what Tom's ability does?

Lets a player use their ability twice

On the same Night, specifically

Quote from Iso »

Quote from Lastwhisper »

So on BS -- 10 Scale...
Cythare's Claim is the most bs...
Can anyone explain to me what Tom's ability does?

Lets a player use their ability twice

Quote from Iso »

On the same Night, specifically

thanks for the clarification

Jenna: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=6948
LastWhisper: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=6950
Azrael: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=6951
Iso: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=6952
Dawningbluesky: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=6960
Shinichi: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=6962
LnGrrrR: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=6996
Osieorb18: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=7004
Cythare: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=7025
Axelrod: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=7033
Tomsloger: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=7023
Phoenix-Fire: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-4-blue-bird-lamentation?comment=7027

People who have been hit with malicious actions, or interfered with malicious actions: Iso, Jenna, LastWhisper, Dawningbluesky

Unaccounted people: Azrael, Shinichi, LnGrrrR, Cythare, Axelrod, Tomsloger, Phoenix-Fire

People whose claimed actions have had an unobservable effect: Azrael, Shinichi, Phoenix-Fire
People who have claimed no action: Cythare, Axelrod, Tomsloger

Missing actions from Night 1: Kill, -1 BP
Unaccounted people Night 1: Azrael, Shinichi, LnGrrrR, Cythare, Axelrod, Tomsloger, Phoenix-Fire

Missing actions from Night 2: Kill
Unaccounted people Night 2: Azrael, Shinichi, Cythare, Axelrod, Tomsloger, Phoenix-Fire

Missing actions from Night 3: Kill, AB swap
Unaccounted people Night 3: Azrael, Shinichi, Cythare, Axelrod, Tomsloger, Phoenix-Fire

Rudimentary, but it's a start.

Actually, I'm not sure if LnGrrrR proved his ability prior to claims. I still trust him and Axelrod. And I kind of still trust Phoenix-Fire and Shinichi? But that just leaves Azrael, Tom, and Cythare.

Could it be that easy?

Quote from Jenna Tolaria »

Actually, I'm not sure if LnGrrrR proved his ability prior to claims. I still trust him and Axelrod. And I kind of still trust Phoenix-Fire and Shinichi? But that just leaves Azrael, Tom, and Cythare.

Could it be that easy?

no, I dont think thats the end game team right there...

I want to see how this lynch goes... but my scum team is:
1. Cythare
2. Phoenix
3. Osie

Quote from Lastwhisper »

Quote from Jenna Tolaria »

Actually, I'm not sure if LnGrrrR proved his ability prior to claims. I still trust him and Axelrod. And I kind of still trust Phoenix-Fire and Shinichi? But that just leaves Azrael, Tom, and Cythare.

Could it be that easy?

no, I dont think thats the end game team right there...

I want to see how this lynch goes... but my scum team is:
1. Cythare
2. Phoenix
3. Osie

I think what I'm trying to say is that it's guaranteed that there are at least two mafia in this list:

Azrael, Shinichi, Cythare, Axelrod, Tomsloger, Phoenix-Fire

Quote from Jenna Tolaria »

Quote from Lastwhisper »

Quote from Jenna Tolaria »

Actually, I'm not sure if LnGrrrR proved his ability prior to claims. I still trust him and Axelrod. And I kind of still trust Phoenix-Fire and Shinichi? But that just leaves Azrael, Tom, and Cythare.

Could it be that easy?

no, I dont think thats the end game team right there...

I want to see how this lynch goes... but my scum team is:
1. Cythare
2. Phoenix
3. Osie

I think what I'm trying to say is that it's guaranteed that there are at least two mafia in this list:

Azrael, Shinichi, Cythare, Axelrod, Tomsloger, Phoenix-Fire

ok I can agree with this haha

I'm fine being lynched today to be released from this. I recognize that my ability is trash and therefore would be met with skepticism, but what do?

I am in a death spiral of note-taking for D3. Up to post #6115. Day ends at #6661. Only 500+ more posts to wade through. With no guarantees that I'm going to have any strong conclusions at the end.

This game is hell.

Quote from Jenna @6181 »

Vote: Azrael

How about I track Terry tonight? His body guard ability costs 0 so he should be able to use it on me.

Okay, side question, but I remember this confused me. Jenna, you did not have the BP to do this, correct? What was this all about?

Quote from Axelrod »

Quote from Jenna @6181 »

Vote: Azrael

How about I track Terry tonight? His body guard ability costs 0 so he should be able to use it on me.

Okay, side question, but I remember this confused me. Jenna, you did not have the BP to do this, correct? What was this all about?

yo when did Jenna post this?

Quote from Azrael »

There's a bunch of scum votes on my wagon, guaranteed, and a half dozen or so gullible or fatigued townies.

The wagon was:

Azrael (6): tomsloger, Phoenix-Fire, Jenna Tolaria, Lastwhisper, Iso, Cythare

with Osie having just unvoted to keep you from L-1, but still saying he would vote you.

What are you thinking now?

Question for Tom:

How does the Motivation work? Will your target be notified that they have got an extra ability use tonight before they decide if they even want to use an ability? Or do they say they want to use something, and then the mod. says "and now you get to do it again..."

@LW: Jenna said that at post #6181. This was in the middle of D3.

I didn't use my ability last night because Jenna and dawning weren't active
Couldn't use it nights 1 and 2

And I must submit action by halfway through the night so peeps have time to choose another target

Quote from tomsloger »

I didn't use my ability last night because Jenna and dawning weren't active
Couldn't use it nights 1 and 2

And I must submit action by halfway through the night so peeps have time to choose another target

Az was active. And a claimed Doctor even. Can this motivate a Mafia kill? Basically, you target any mafia and they get to go "okay, I will choose to do two kills...." Or just BP abilities.

I just lost my post. But I had at least saved notes up to #6112.

I am now stopping.

Quote from Jenna Tolaria »

Actually, I'm not sure if LnGrrrR proved his ability prior to claims. I still trust him and Axelrod. And I kind of still trust Phoenix-Fire and Shinichi? But that just leaves Azrael, Tom, and Cythare.

Could it be that easy?

I proved it by posting Iso's ally before he posted it. I guess I could be scum with Iso, but apart from that I think it's pretty proven. You and Tom both posted before I could post today.

@Axelrod, I know how you feel. I feel like I need to block out a good hour or more to reread and get myself back into this. Hopefully tomorrow will be a slow day at work with the holidays coming on.

Quote from Lastwhisper »

Quote from Jenna Tolaria »

Actually, I'm not sure if LnGrrrR proved his ability prior to claims. I still trust him and Axelrod. And I kind of still trust Phoenix-Fire and Shinichi? But that just leaves Azrael, Tom, and Cythare.

Could it be that easy?

no, I dont think thats the end game team right there...

I want to see how this lynch goes... but my scum team is:
1. Cythare
2. Phoenix
3. Osie

Well, you're either scum or just wrong.

Cythare is maybe scum. Phoenix is probably not scum (went into nightchat openly suspecting me, I told him I was allying, he could have betrayed). I'm definitely not scum.

Quote from Iso »

Bur uses "Duelist" because that's what I've called that role in my own setups.

Yeah, Shinichi's role looks like an Iso role as well.

Quote from LnGrrrR »

I guess I could be scum with Iso

Who was Iso partnered with?

Quote from LnGrrrR »

I guess I could be scum with Iso

Shh, don't give away our master plan.

Quote from osieorb18 »

Quote from Iso »

Bur uses "Duelist" because that's what I've called that role in my own setups.

Yeah, Shinichi's role looks like an Iso role as well.

The Vanillizer, or what?

Quote from osieorb18 »

Quote from LnGrrrR »

I guess I could be scum with Iso

Who was Iso partnered with?

Kabazame

Quote from Iso »

Quote from osieorb18 »

Quote from Iso »

Bur uses "Duelist" because that's what I've called that role in my own setups.

Yeah, Shinichi's role looks like an Iso role as well.

The Vanillizer, or what?

My role from Horsemen... the Mystic or something?

Quote from Iso »

Quote from osieorb18 »

Quote from LnGrrrR »

I guess I could be scum with Iso

Who was Iso partnered with?

Kabazame

So you were partnered with confirmed scum... This makes me trust LnGrrrR even less.

Quote from Axelrod »

Quote from Jenna @6181 »

Vote: Azrael

How about I track Terry tonight? His body guard ability costs 0 so he should be able to use it on me.

Okay, side question, but I remember this confused me. Jenna, you did not have the BP to do this, correct? What was this all about?

Trying to see who was obsessively keeping track of my BP. Nobody went for it.