why does nobody bother to lynch Shinichi when I actually bothered to make a case on him, but nobody made half a decent case on Killjoy other than "he didn't notice Jenna's claim". why?
I don't think he's scum any more, but I felt my case was at least half decent.
why does nobody bother to lynch Shinichi when I actually bothered to make a case on him, but nobody made half a decent case on Killjoy other than "he didn't notice Jenna's claim". why?
I don't think he's scum any more, but I felt my case was at least half decent.
not sure if your case was thought-provoking. but I at least liked how you unvoted him. and Last thinks that's scummy.
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kinda want to vote shin but eww that wagon
I feel ya
who gives a **** about the wagon voters when all you want is to lynch scum?
Why would anyone be ok jumping on a wagon that has is being formed from 2-3 of their scum reads?
because it might be a bus? if this is the only way you can lynch someone, then scum should just bus all the time and you'll always lose as town. what kind of thinking is that?
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who gives a **** about the wagon voters when all you want is to lynch scum?
Why would anyone be ok jumping on a wagon that has is being formed from 2-3 of their scum reads?
because it might be a bus? if this is the only way you can lynch someone, then scum should just bus all the time and you'll always lose as town. what kind of thinking is that?
I mean your agruement isnt wrong persay, but in this situation it is lol. Its pretty much a case by case thing but ill be quit wary of the train i am on if others ii find scum jump on it easily.
who gives a **** about the wagon voters when all you want is to lynch scum?
Why would anyone be ok jumping on a wagon that has is being formed from 2-3 of their scum reads?
because it might be a bus? if this is the only way you can lynch someone, then scum should just bus all the time and you'll always lose as town. what kind of thinking is that?
I mean your agruement isnt wrong persay, but in this situation it is lol. Its pretty much a case by case thing but ill be quit wary of the train i am on if others ii find scum jump on it easily.
how was that an easy wagon? it was so hard to even get anyone to make you eat rope. you actually saved yourself with just 1 vote, isn't that weird? and if you wanna talk case-by-case basis, then how do you explain all that 'softclaims are scummy'? it'll also fall under case-by-case basis. you're contradicting yourself a million times over.
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Easy in a fast sense because out of knowwhere a bunch of people were like hey lets just jump on shinichi, sure they provided reasons but if they had seen that the entire time what was with the last minute vote.
Easy in a fast sense because out of knowwhere a bunch of people were like hey lets just jump on shinichi, sure they provided reasons but if they had seen that the entire time what was with the last minute vote.
it wasn't out of nowhere, Azrael made an entire case on you and has been trying to get you lynched. and here's mine:
what I have so far:
- demanded fullclaims out of an assumption ("town will never want to lynch me")
- asked for fullclaims out of breadcrumbing // puts Last at L2 to claim
- asked Terry for his role from a joke
- scumreads Dawn for misleading, then claiming vig, then roleblocker
- scumreads Azrael for claiming doctor
- constantly challenges Dawn's townread on him
- said scum vigs and roleblocking NKs are common - which is a lie as they tend to vary
- kept vote on Dawn because "behavior is forever scummy but isn't easy to lynch"
- said his hand was 'forced' since Dawn ignores his questions // later said he won't spend the Day justifying himself to someone
- argued with Last that Dawn is scum, to the point Dawn/Last are scum
- hammered his townread and brings up his role on D2 to justify roleblocker suspicions, should've been addressed on D1 (with a week extra to boot)
- scumreads Last for choosing Betray when he already announced it // AtE about bros
- scumreads Dawn for frustration at Grapefruit's lack of claiming (when he's a demanding rolefisher)
- gives out his claim because Dawn, his scumread, asks for it
- doesn't believe in 2 of the same role
- posts are mostly defensive or justifying, no scumhunting or new info - shows lack of gamesolving
- brought up some weird point about "just because your role pm says town doesn't mean you're town"?? sure sounds like he knows how non-town roles look like. town manipulator doesn't sound like jailkeeper or roleblocker. and I can believe it's a scum title.
I tried to think of Shinichi as possible hitman or some neutral, but he said he isn't. with the case above, I'm more inclined to think he's scum. the way he focused on getting claims, or even lynching claimed players first, has got to be the most antitown play ever. if you wanna talk about meta, he didn't ask softclaimers to fullclaim in Berseria, he hardly cared, even when someone plain asked about his role he said he would rather die than let scum know it. how is that the same here? I'm town, and he's not. the game is that simple.
there was no last-minute switch.
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@Azreal: You never answered what you thought of Last's self vote.
I did elsewhere, though you can hardly be faulted for missing it. I think it seems very much in line with his pattern of frustration and townie angst.
As for the dichotomy, I don't tend to go in for role analysis myself when I can avail myself of behavior. I think it's always a matter of generalization, rather than specifics. I don't agree that the question was over-simplified as framed, but I do think there can, at times, be specific points that are more useful to focus upon. That is the entire reason that I'm supporting Phoenix, and would support DBS as well. Because you CAN'T oversimplify, to the exclusion of behavior.
So if it wasn't already amply clear, no, the dichotomy is not the end all and be all of the Shin case. I'd much rather you go off behavior. But that would require this town to read, and everyone's eyes are already bleeding. So we are now at the point where I am, to a certain extent, over-simplifying and dumbing down the arguments, not because I'm trying to pull a fast one, but because the long arguments are being skimmed and skipped over due to the mass quantities of information in front of us. So yes, guilty as to presenting a simple argument, not guilty as to the reasons for doing it.
Killjoy's chances of flipping scum is really low, given my observations. but maybe this town has hope and picked the right while I was wrong... but I'm not sure about that seeing it wasted D1 questioning my claim =.=
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hey... dont do that to me... at least wait till killjoys flip
You guys lynched him because he didn't react to a claim the way they thought he should. It shouldn't be a surprise how that's going to pan out.
Meanwhile, Jenna isn't hunting. Iso isn't hunting. Shin is role-fishing the hell out of everyone in sight. Terry isn't thinking before typing, and hammered for the mislynch. And Tom is parking his vote completely useless on Osie, after watching his own anti-town wagon run amok, and leaving doors open to hop on either major wagon depending on how the wind blows.
Any one of those represent far more significant behavioral issues than "but why didn't he react to Jenna differently?", a case based on only a single interaction, to the exclusion of the rest of his history.
sure they provided reasons but if they had seen that the entire time what was with the last minute vote.
I reread you first...
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* Neighbour if worthwhile, case-by-case pondering - Townreads could be useful for analysis, Scumreads could be useful to solidify one way or flip. Less actives are meh.
* Determine AB either through chat or through likelihood
By early the next Day, if alive (NK is unlikely as neighbourizer is not particularly strong, but being betrayed could happen):
* Answer questions.
* Figure out Winter Holiday Presents
* Figure out if kill analysis combined with other methods is actually helpful or not.
* Grocery shopping
* Try to better solidify some alignments (At least particularly Familiar [Tom, Iso, (Az/KJ/Terry)?] and particularly Unfamiliar [Shinichi, Dawning, Last]).
* Clean my room
* Vote analyses
* Study for classes
* Dissect Azrael's posts
* Don't worry. Be happy.
Just realized, the scum just eliminated the role that was probably most likely bite them if they eventually decided the time was right to NK me. So, GJ scum. Well played.
Killjoy's chances of flipping scum is really low, given my observations. but maybe this town has hope and picked the right while I was wrong... but I'm not sure about that seeing it wasted D1 questioning my claim =.=
WHAT!? YOU wasted day one with your claim, not everyone else. You changed your claim like three times.
Yet another day had passed by and people showed no signs of reaching any kind of consensus.
People were shouting at each other, telling why the other was wrong and they were right.
In the middle of this all was a man standing with an up-right posture. He could only listen to the others argue, but that was enough. Maybe this way he could spot something the others were missing, since he couldn't really rely on his eyes. That was one of the cons of being blind.
However, at some point of the day, the blind man noticed how the arguing seemed to calm down. People weren't really shouting at each other anymore. However, he couldn't shake the feeling that something wasn't right.
"You there! You've just been standing there, doing nothing to help us at all!" shouted someone.
The blind man replied: "I think I already told you that I'm blind, I can't be of much use when looking for details. Unless you have some miraculous means of curing my blindness, that is."
The other man stayed silent for a moment, trying to think of a witty reply. When he couldn't he just shouted:
"Hey guys, are you going to let this all just pass? He just admitted that he's doing nothing!"
No one really replied, but the blind man could hear people whispering all kinds of things, none of which were really pleasant about him.
Suddenly, someone grabbed the blind man from behind and whispered to his ear:
"I'm sorry, but we need to do this."
A loud bang filled the room. The deadly game had claimed another victim once again.
Killjoy has been lynched! They were:
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"I am shocked and appalled that guessing at random has not yielded better results."
Being placed in a deadly puzzle solving game is bad.
Being placed in a deadly puzzle solving game twice is even worse.
While others might not considered you of much help since you are blind,
you know that your lack of eyesight might be a boon.
Since you lack your eyesight, you rely on your other sense to compensate for it,
leading you to notice many things others don't.
Now, you must turn to your levelheadedness and rationality once again.
It has helped you to overcome several problems you've faced in the past.
You just hope the same thing will work again.
You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities: Compensation: You start the game with no abilities, but will unlock abilities when you reach a certain number of BP for the first time.
When you reach 5 BP, you will unlock the following ability:
Heightened Senses: Target a player. You will superior hearing skill to find out who targeted that player tonight. You can use this ability only once.
When you reach 7 BP, you will unlock the following ability:
Impactful Death: When you die, choose a player. That player will receive half of your BP total, rounded down.
When you reach 9 BP, you will unlock the following ability:
Shedding Light on the Truth: Target a player. You will learn who that player has targeted during game, but not who on which night. You can use this ability only once.
You start the game with 3 BP.
You win when there are no threats remaining.
It's now Night 2. No more posting in the thread! Day 3 will start in 48 hours!
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
I keep making sure to be able to check in before deadline and yall keep hammering right before I get here :/
Anyway I was thinking if kj scum his buddies would have joined me on town osi since kj flipping scum had the chance to take that mislynch away forever and no one did.
So. Yeah.
After a night that felt like it'd never end, people dragged themselves back to the main lobby.
Some of you still seemed bit shocked about killing the blind man yesterday, but it's no use crying over spilled milk.
What had happened had happened, what was important that you found the people responsible for all of this and quick!
Luckily for you, after people had returned the lobby, you checked and surprisingly, everyone was there, alive.
Maybe luck was on your side after all...
Hammering yourself when you're scum can be sound strategy when you are certain to be lynched (for instance, if there is a cop guilty on you.) It cuts off town discussion, and gets the game to night without the town power roles being able to coordinate any kind of strategy.
Inherently, self-voting as town is scummy because it potentially deprives town of discussion time. Also, by letting yourself be killed you are guaranteeing that scum will not be lynched that day. It's problematic enough that it's often considered to be playing against your win condition.
There are some rare circumstances here and there where it could be acceptable, but those are few and far between, and very specific.
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AtE shows up throughout most of your posts. It's more a matter of where it doesn't show up, which are the few posts here and there that you actually seem to be trying to play rather than just tell people off for voting you or the like.
I was going to vote Tom based on reads over the course of the Night and prior but then…
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I read LW's ISO from beginning to end. I think my eyes are bleeding.
Not accounting for merged posts, out of 780 posts, we have…
253 (with a 1-2 post margin of error) self-defending posts
180ish of those were D1, the other 73ish were D2.
And then there were like 50 posts or something defending other players (Primarily Dawning).
And at least about 15-20 posts that were just flat-out bad faith…
There's so much time-wasting, there's so much misplaced overaggression, there's so much opportunism, there's so much overdefensiveness, there's so much shading… And some of these posts are just interpersonally obnoxious. I legitimately find quite a few (maybe 10%) of Last's posts from D1 and D2 actively unpleasant to read. By the time I was 15-20% of the way in, I wanted to throw something at someone.
All that said…
Do I think this excludes the possibility that Last is just an incredibly overemotional and overdefensive town player?
Honestly… No.
How much information do we get from a Lastwhisper lynch?
Not necessarily that much.
Is he anti-town enough that we just should lynch him no matter the alignment?
Maybe? I'd like to think that wouldn't ever be the case with anybody, though.
I think, in the end, I'm very okay with a Last lynch, to the degree I'd include it in preferred lynches for today, but I would like to hear other opinions first.
Well, Terry betrayed me. So I'm calling that scummy.
Other than that, I'm not making any assumptions, since clearly no one plays this game the way it seems obvious to me you should play it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
No deaths is encouraging. There are four (4) possibilities:
1. DBS Role-blocked the killer.
2. Az. Doc-Protected the victim.
3. The scum withheld killing in order to make one of the above choices look more likely.
4. Something currently unknown.
I want to discount #3 just because the scum are winning, and taking your foot off the gas when you are winning doesn't seem like the best way to proceed. One would think they'd just happily be going for the jugular. On the other hand, to continue the analogy, if they feel they are so far ahead they can afford to save gas/wear on the tires by easing up, and possibly gaining a longer term advantage, it's possible. By not killing they could be attempting a frame job on whoever DBS might choose. But given that DBS could choose one of them, that might just as easily backfire. This is not my go-to assumption.
Az. as much as stated that he wasn't protecting anyone last night. Protecting would mean going down to 1 BP, but he might have surprised.
DBS role-block is the "easiest" answer. Too easy? At the very least it's going to be a point against someone.
As for #4, I guess unknown could be anything. The only thing to say here is - if anyone has information that makes one of the above possibilities more/less likely to the point we shouldn't be considering it, then that's the time to speak up.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Tom
I roleblocked Kaba. based off possible correlation to Shin (about Phoenix).
@Osie
should've asked Phoenix to Ally while you Betray. he has 6 BP under his belt with no use for it. extra 3 BP is better than 1 BP. not good.
@Axel
wasn't sure if RB works on factional kills tbh. so I tried whoever could be BP Taker, hoping for offchance they will be killer as well. focused on Shin/Phoenix/Osie, with room for change. RB'd the likely 4th... Kabazame.
@everyone
who has their BP stolen?
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Shin allied. I'm back to 4 BP. no RB for next phase.
worried if he would risk blocking me. then again, AB happens after night actions. left decision with Ally, since Betray might give me 3 BP extra. win/win situation by going with Ally.
possible scumteam based off what we have:
Shin/Phoenix/Kaba
- weirdly, Shin/Phoenix make a solid possibility. they seem to hint at closed setups, even before Phoenix claimed.
- Kaba was against Terry's push on Phoenix. possible teaming. I find it a bit too...theatre'ish(?) if scum!Phoenix is pushed by scum!Terry but argued out by scum!Kaba.
town PoE:
Last - will go town. if I was NK'd I bet he would feel bad lol
Tom - gut says he's town. wine would be to say otherwise.
Azrael - town. the disappointment over 2 mislynches is not to be overlooked.
possible but not very sure:
Axel - misgivings at times but I'll go with town. recent NK observation seems town.
Terry - gamestates reads aren't absolute I know. hammer on Killjoy also looks bad. but overall I'm sticking with town unless proven otherwise.
Osie - unvote on Killjoy wasn't an asspull. I actually liked that unvote.
Iso - town for now. subject to change. BP Taker is valuable info.
only strong suspects I have now is:
Shin - no way town gets 2 roleblockers.
Kaba - roleblocked him. no question here.
Phoenix - for correlation to closed setups.
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ok. I want this lynch. Vote: Shinichi
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@Phraze if Shin allies, does he not protect u? The possibility is there that maybe u we're attacked... That's what I was trying to get at before, unless I'm forgetting how shins role works...
@Phraze if Shin allies, does he not protect u? The possibility is there that maybe u we're attacked... That's what I was trying to get at before, unless I'm forgetting how shins role works...
night actions happen before the AB game. Shin is a delayed roleblocker in that sense. even if he protects me, it doesn't affect factional kills, nor will it affect my night action for the phase.
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I don't think he's scum any more, but I felt my case was at least half decent.
Why would anyone be ok jumping on a wagon that has is being formed from 2-3 of their scum reads?
Be grateful, always."
I pay significantly less attention to who is on the wagon...
Be grateful, always."
EBWOP: I still pay some attention, but not a ton.
I mean your agruement isnt wrong persay, but in this situation it is lol. Its pretty much a case by case thing but ill be quit wary of the train i am on if others ii find scum jump on it easily.
Be grateful, always."
there was no last-minute switch.
Be grateful, always."
I did elsewhere, though you can hardly be faulted for missing it. I think it seems very much in line with his pattern of frustration and townie angst.
As for the dichotomy, I don't tend to go in for role analysis myself when I can avail myself of behavior. I think it's always a matter of generalization, rather than specifics. I don't agree that the question was over-simplified as framed, but I do think there can, at times, be specific points that are more useful to focus upon. That is the entire reason that I'm supporting Phoenix, and would support DBS as well. Because you CAN'T oversimplify, to the exclusion of behavior.
So if it wasn't already amply clear, no, the dichotomy is not the end all and be all of the Shin case. I'd much rather you go off behavior. But that would require this town to read, and everyone's eyes are already bleeding. So we are now at the point where I am, to a certain extent, over-simplifying and dumbing down the arguments, not because I'm trying to pull a fast one, but because the long arguments are being skimmed and skipped over due to the mass quantities of information in front of us. So yes, guilty as to presenting a simple argument, not guilty as to the reasons for doing it.
Be grateful, always."
Hi Shin. How long did it take you to complete a PBPA on every single person in the thread?
How long do you think it might reasonably take someone to do that?
How long do you think it might then take someone to reevaluate another half dozen reads looking for error?
Perhaps the answer to your question lies in considering the fairly obvious answers to these three questions?
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
See I dont have the energy to do that
But has my playstyle or tone every changed? I dont think so how does it take till now to realize i may be scum?
You guys lynched him because he didn't react to a claim the way they thought he should. It shouldn't be a surprise how that's going to pan out.
Meanwhile, Jenna isn't hunting. Iso isn't hunting. Shin is role-fishing the hell out of everyone in sight. Terry isn't thinking before typing, and hammered for the mislynch. And Tom is parking his vote completely useless on Osie, after watching his own anti-town wagon run amok, and leaving doors open to hop on either major wagon depending on how the wind blows.
Any one of those represent far more significant behavioral issues than "but why didn't he react to Jenna differently?", a case based on only a single interaction, to the exclusion of the rest of his history.
This is how you lose a mafia game.
You're right - I probably should have pinned you down as scum a long time ago.
Be grateful, always."
i was speaking metaphorically lol
I reread you first...
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For toNight:
* Neighbour if worthwhile, case-by-case pondering - Townreads could be useful for analysis, Scumreads could be useful to solidify one way or flip. Less actives are meh.
* Determine AB either through chat or through likelihood
By early the next Day, if alive (NK is unlikely as neighbourizer is not particularly strong, but being betrayed could happen):
* Answer questions.
* Figure out Winter Holiday Presents
* Figure out if kill analysis combined with other methods is actually helpful or not.
* Grocery shopping
* Try to better solidify some alignments (At least particularly Familiar [Tom, Iso, (Az/KJ/Terry)?] and particularly Unfamiliar [Shinichi, Dawning, Last]).
* Clean my room
* Vote analyses
* Study for classes
* Dissect Azrael's posts
* Don't worry. Be happy.
Be grateful, always."
Since Shin has answered...
A week, in which time there will be too many posts to catch up to.
Wait, you want him somehow lynched BEFORE the next Day? Or do you mean by the END of the next Day?
Just realized, the scum just eliminated the role that was probably most likely bite them if they eventually decided the time was right to NK me. So, GJ scum. Well played.
"most likely"
I believe Killjoy is Town. And Grapefruit was Town. And you have incentive to get rid of D_V.
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People were shouting at each other, telling why the other was wrong and they were right.
In the middle of this all was a man standing with an up-right posture. He could only listen to the others argue, but that was enough. Maybe this way he could spot something the others were missing, since he couldn't really rely on his eyes. That was one of the cons of being blind.
However, at some point of the day, the blind man noticed how the arguing seemed to calm down. People weren't really shouting at each other anymore. However, he couldn't shake the feeling that something wasn't right.
"You there! You've just been standing there, doing nothing to help us at all!" shouted someone.
The blind man replied: "I think I already told you that I'm blind, I can't be of much use when looking for details. Unless you have some miraculous means of curing my blindness, that is."
The other man stayed silent for a moment, trying to think of a witty reply. When he couldn't he just shouted:
"Hey guys, are you going to let this all just pass? He just admitted that he's doing nothing!"
No one really replied, but the blind man could hear people whispering all kinds of things, none of which were really pleasant about him.
Suddenly, someone grabbed the blind man from behind and whispered to his ear:
"I'm sorry, but we need to do this."
A loud bang filled the room. The deadly game had claimed another victim once again.
Killjoy has been lynched! They were:
"I am shocked and appalled that guessing at random has not yielded better results."
Being placed in a deadly puzzle solving game is bad.
Being placed in a deadly puzzle solving game twice is even worse.
While others might not considered you of much help since you are blind,
you know that your lack of eyesight might be a boon.
Since you lack your eyesight, you rely on your other sense to compensate for it,
leading you to notice many things others don't.
Now, you must turn to your levelheadedness and rationality once again.
It has helped you to overcome several problems you've faced in the past.
You just hope the same thing will work again.
You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Compensation: You start the game with no abilities, but will unlock abilities when you reach a certain number of BP for the first time.
You start the game with 3 BP.
You win when there are no threats remaining.
It's now Night 2. No more posting in the thread! Day 3 will start in 48 hours!
Anyway I was thinking if kj scum his buddies would have joined me on town osi since kj flipping scum had the chance to take that mislynch away forever and no one did.
So. Yeah.
Disregard obviously if kj flips town
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Curse PremiumAfter a night that felt like it'd never end, people dragged themselves back to the main lobby.
Some of you still seemed bit shocked about killing the blind man yesterday, but it's no use crying over spilled milk.
What had happened had happened, what was important that you found the people responsible for all of this and quick!
Luckily for you, after people had returned the lobby, you checked and surprisingly, everyone was there, alive.
Maybe luck was on your side after all...
No one has died!
It's now Day 3. With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch!
As for Lastwhisper's questions…
Inherently, self-voting as town is scummy because it potentially deprives town of discussion time. Also, by letting yourself be killed you are guaranteeing that scum will not be lynched that day. It's problematic enough that it's often considered to be playing against your win condition.
There are some rare circumstances here and there where it could be acceptable, but those are few and far between, and very specific.
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AtE shows up throughout most of your posts. It's more a matter of where it doesn't show up, which are the few posts here and there that you actually seem to be trying to play rather than just tell people off for voting you or the like.
Since when is this post pro-town?
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I was going to vote Tom based on reads over the course of the Night and prior but then…
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I read LW's ISO from beginning to end. I think my eyes are bleeding.
Not accounting for merged posts, out of 780 posts, we have…
253 (with a 1-2 post margin of error) self-defending posts
180ish of those were D1, the other 73ish were D2.
And then there were like 50 posts or something defending other players (Primarily Dawning).
And at least about 15-20 posts that were just flat-out bad faith…
There's so much time-wasting, there's so much misplaced overaggression, there's so much opportunism, there's so much overdefensiveness, there's so much shading… And some of these posts are just interpersonally obnoxious. I legitimately find quite a few (maybe 10%) of Last's posts from D1 and D2 actively unpleasant to read. By the time I was 15-20% of the way in, I wanted to throw something at someone.
All that said…
Do I think this excludes the possibility that Last is just an incredibly overemotional and overdefensive town player?
Honestly… No.
How much information do we get from a Lastwhisper lynch?
Not necessarily that much.
Is he anti-town enough that we just should lynch him no matter the alignment?
Maybe? I'd like to think that wouldn't ever be the case with anybody, though.
I think, in the end, I'm very okay with a Last lynch, to the degree I'd include it in preferred lynches for today, but I would like to hear other opinions first.
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I'd be down for a lynch in:
Tom/Terry/Azrael/Shinichi/Lastwhisper
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Vote: Tom
Az/dawning targets pls
~decent chance that's 5 town
Why terry?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Other than that, I'm not making any assumptions, since clearly no one plays this game the way it seems obvious to me you should play it.
No deaths is encouraging. There are four (4) possibilities:
1. DBS Role-blocked the killer.
2. Az. Doc-Protected the victim.
3. The scum withheld killing in order to make one of the above choices look more likely.
4. Something currently unknown.
I want to discount #3 just because the scum are winning, and taking your foot off the gas when you are winning doesn't seem like the best way to proceed. One would think they'd just happily be going for the jugular. On the other hand, to continue the analogy, if they feel they are so far ahead they can afford to save gas/wear on the tires by easing up, and possibly gaining a longer term advantage, it's possible. By not killing they could be attempting a frame job on whoever DBS might choose. But given that DBS could choose one of them, that might just as easily backfire. This is not my go-to assumption.
Az. as much as stated that he wasn't protecting anyone last night. Protecting would mean going down to 1 BP, but he might have surprised.
DBS role-block is the "easiest" answer. Too easy? At the very least it's going to be a point against someone.
As for #4, I guess unknown could be anything. The only thing to say here is - if anyone has information that makes one of the above possibilities more/less likely to the point we shouldn't be considering it, then that's the time to speak up.
@Shin
Was the outcome of your A/B Game?
I roleblocked Kaba. based off possible correlation to Shin (about Phoenix).
@Osie
should've asked Phoenix to Ally while you Betray. he has 6 BP under his belt with no use for it. extra 3 BP is better than 1 BP. not good.
@Axel
wasn't sure if RB works on factional kills tbh. so I tried whoever could be BP Taker, hoping for offchance they will be killer as well. focused on Shin/Phoenix/Osie, with room for change. RB'd the likely 4th... Kabazame.
@everyone
who has their BP stolen?
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Shin allied. I'm back to 4 BP. no RB for next phase.
worried if he would risk blocking me. then again, AB happens after night actions. left decision with Ally, since Betray might give me 3 BP extra. win/win situation by going with Ally.
possible scumteam based off what we have:
Shin/Phoenix/Kaba
- weirdly, Shin/Phoenix make a solid possibility. they seem to hint at closed setups, even before Phoenix claimed.
- Kaba was against Terry's push on Phoenix. possible teaming. I find it a bit too...theatre'ish(?) if scum!Phoenix is pushed by scum!Terry but argued out by scum!Kaba.
town PoE:
Last - will go town. if I was NK'd I bet he would feel bad lol
Tom - gut says he's town. wine would be to say otherwise.
Azrael - town. the disappointment over 2 mislynches is not to be overlooked.
possible but not very sure:
Axel - misgivings at times but I'll go with town. recent NK observation seems town.
Terry - gamestates reads aren't absolute I know. hammer on Killjoy also looks bad. but overall I'm sticking with town unless proven otherwise.
Osie - unvote on Killjoy wasn't an asspull. I actually liked that unvote.
Iso - town for now. subject to change. BP Taker is valuable info.
only strong suspects I have now is:
Shin - no way town gets 2 roleblockers.
Kaba - roleblocked him. no question here.
Phoenix - for correlation to closed setups.
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ok. I want this lynch.
Vote: Shinichi
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