decent chance its exactly either az/lngrr or phoenix/osi tbh
like theres other combinations in those 4 names that work, and theres still a chance of shin.
but
yeah
im trying to decide who axel would target once i was confirmed to him and i want to say AZ but probably not because claim and i dont even know how that would work
its probably either phoenix or osi though, which would match up with a team who would have done the kill dawn/block az plan that axel could have screwed up
decent chance its exactly either az/lngrr or phoenix/osi tbh
like theres other combinations in those 4 names that work, and theres still a chance of shin.
but
yeah
im trying to decide who axel would target once i was confirmed to him and i want to say AZ but probably not because claim and i dont even know how that would work
its probably either phoenix or osi though, which would match up with a team who would have done the kill dawn/block az plan that axel could have screwed up
finally we are getting somewhere, I still think the team is Osie/Phoenix honestly
Shin
Like I understand you not wanted to roleblock a town... but you can role block me its fine...
Lets say you role block one of the possible scum, its still your word against theirs, and you arent squeaky clean either...
We still have Dawns role block to stop the night kill either way
@Dawning: Az is not clear, and you need to get out of his pocket. Right now.
at least he's not as bad as others atm. mind explaining to me if/and/how do scum know I would be notified of the change in targets? if they never knew about it in the first place, there's no reason to pocket me. derp
* and you better betray someone least likely to die, if it's not Last. I say Last, because he has the best chance of survival here.
I swear ur just feigning ignorance, I aint going to roleblock a confirmed town lmfao
and what if someone said you lied about blocking them? should we trust them or you? your best bet now is to block conf town. you're just as ignorant, if not dumb, to see this game to the end. take a tip from us.
I might ask you to try get scum if you could block kills, but you can't. we only have AB switcher and redirector to worry about, and I'm sure they don't have sufficient BP for the next phase. with that said, the only concern now is to block a kill. you can't block any kills, and Azrael has no ability to block (he's currently at 2 BP). you will have to block Last.
You have a point no reason confirmed town would lie, so the situation is better if i test my ability on said people but whats the point of my rolelbock then lmfao. If i can block the ab switcher that be ******* nice as hell.
decent chance its exactly either az/lngrr or phoenix/osi tbh
like theres other combinations in those 4 names that work, and theres still a chance of shin.
but
yeah
im trying to decide who axel would target once i was confirmed to him and i want to say AZ but probably not because claim and i dont even know how that would work
its probably either phoenix or osi though, which would match up with a team who would have done the kill dawn/block az plan that axel could have screwed up
finally we are getting somewhere, I still think the team is Osie/Phoenix honestly
no thanks to you since I did all the work
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@Dawning: Az is not clear, and you need to get out of his pocket. Right now.
at least he's not as bad as others atm. mind explaining to me if/and/how do scum know I would be notified of the change in targets? if they never knew about it in the first place, there's no reason to pocket me. derp
* and you better betray someone least likely to die, if it's not Last. I say Last, because he has the best chance of survival here.
I swear ur just feigning ignorance, I aint going to roleblock a confirmed town lmfao
and what if someone said you lied about blocking them? should we trust them or you? your best bet now is to block conf town. you're just as ignorant, if not dumb, to see this game to the end. take a tip from us.
I might ask you to try get scum if you could block kills, but you can't. we only have AB switcher and redirector to worry about, and I'm sure they don't have sufficient BP for the next phase. with that said, the only concern now is to block a kill. you can't block any kills, and Azrael has no ability to block (he's currently at 2 BP). you will have to block Last.
You have a point no reason confirmed town would lie, so the situation is better if i test my ability on said people but whats the point of my rolelbock then lmfao. If i can block the ab switcher that be ******* nice as hell.
yeah. but as tempting as it is, better to get us a townblock than scattered truths.
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decent chance its exactly either az/lngrr or phoenix/osi tbh
like theres other combinations in those 4 names that work, and theres still a chance of shin.
but
yeah
im trying to decide who axel would target once i was confirmed to him and i want to say AZ but probably not because claim and i dont even know how that would work
its probably either phoenix or osi though, which would match up with a team who would have done the kill dawn/block az plan that axel could have screwed up
finally we are getting somewhere, I still think the team is Osie/Phoenix honestly
decent chance its exactly either az/lngrr or phoenix/osi tbh
like theres other combinations in those 4 names that work, and theres still a chance of shin.
but
yeah
im trying to decide who axel would target once i was confirmed to him and i want to say AZ but probably not because claim and i dont even know how that would work
its probably either phoenix or osi though, which would match up with a team who would have done the kill dawn/block az plan that axel could have screwed up
finally we are getting somewhere, I still think the team is Osie/Phoenix honestly
no thanks to you since I did all the work
sorry :/ I havent been feeling that great recently, mentally, but I'm always reading haha
Bull, I'm alive in spite of my role. And I didn't ask for an excess of BP; it does me nothing.
Wine
Wine
Wine
Wtf even is this... stop using this elementary defense
Shin is right, if your role wasnt what is was... then you would have been voted that day probably... just saying
You didnt ask for excess BP, but either way I still cant get it out of my head that its weird that you have nothing that interacts with BP at all, its beyond weird, especially when literally everyone has ways to interact with their BP, be it thresholds, or the loss of... and then theres you... who just stores BP like a squirrel, it just doesn't seem real...
according to his claim, he dies if betrayed. that's interactive, I think. and isn't squirreling (lol) indicative of a neutral?
My 1st ability is called: Scene of the crime Its BP cost is: NA It has a BP threshold requirement of: NA What it does: Passively visits players who die to collect role info for the thread. This ability passes if I die by betrayal.
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Oh, and I guess I'll write up my Day 4 stuff for Jenna's hitlist pleasure.
Day 4
My BP going into Day 4: 4
Ability I used: Morphogenetic Field (-1)
My BP going into Night 4: 3
For AB, I was partnered with: Phoenix-Fire
My AB choice: Ally (by default; I wasn't around)
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 4
I will neighbourize at end of Day if I'm paired with Tom, Dawning, Last, Shinichi, or LnGrrrR.
I'm right because the evidence in-thread supports it
I think I will lose because my team isn't listening to me
I already caught the mafia
me surviving over Grapefruit is useful because I caught the scum and he didn't
there is "right" before the game is over because the scum are a non-fluctuating value that was pre-determined as the game began and if you don't think the scum are scum then you're wrong
if you ARE right, then why didn't we lynch mafia instead? just because you're right in lynching town doesn't mean you're otherworldly right, since even mafia knows that.
you need to lynch and flip mafia to count as having caught mafia. all talk and no bite. and hey, even mafia knows their own members so...you could've easily known that.
I'm trying to re-assess the situation. I daresay there's a chance I could be wrong. so yes, there is no right until the game ends. you haven't exactly tried to make sense of things and the flip, only wanting to prove that you know someone will flip town. aren't you just willing us to lose?
We didn't lynch mafia because we didn't lynch Az when I said we should have. I have a single vote. I can't put 9 votes on a single player. You caused us to completely waste half of Day 1 by playing coy with your claim, so it's no wonder we had a last-second lynch. And you say I'M willing us to lose? No. If this town wants to win, it will follow me to the ends of the earth or fail. There is no in-between.
I love this post from iso, i honestly trust him enough plus my own read on az to say we should just lock a lynch on him.
but first.. that plan says Jenna is clearly the best NK target. @Jenna are you willing to bet your life on Osie's flip?
Yes, absolutely.
Osieorb used morphogenetic field, didn't show up for night, allied by default, and Phoenix didn't share any of this information. Nothing happened in the chat? The changing story is still unbelievable.
The ability I used: None Who I used it on: - My result was: -
For AB, I was partnered with: LnGrrrR My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Ally My result was: +1 My BP at the end of the night: 5
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TOM
NIGHT 4 My BP going into Night 4: 10
The ability I used: Motivate (-4) Who I used it on: Dawningbluesky My result was: Redirected to Axelrod.
For AB, I was partnered with: Jenna My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Betray My result was: -1 My BP at the end of the night: 5
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JENNA
NIGHT 4 My BP going into Night 4: 1
The ability I used: None Who I used it on: - My result was: -
For AB, I was partnered with: Tom My AB choice: Betray Their AB choice: Ally My result was: +3, plus a +1 from LastWhisper My BP at the end of the night: 5
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LASTWHISPER
NIGHT 4 My BP going into Night 4: 6
The ability I used: Give 1 BP (1) Who I used it on: Jenna My result was: Success
For AB, I was partnered with: Dawningbluesky My AB choice: Betray Their AB choice: Ally My result was: +3 My BP at the end of the night: 8
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DAWNINGBLUESKY
NIGHT 4 My BP going into Night 4: 3
The ability I used: Roleblock (0) Who I used it on: Phoenix My result was: Redirected to Azrael; Azrael roleblocked
For AB, I was partnered with: LastWhisper My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Betray My result was: -1 My BP at the end of the night: 2
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ISO
NIGHT 4 My BP going into Night 4: 5
The ability I used: None Who I used it on: - My result was: -
For AB, I was partnered with: - My AB choice: - Their AB choice: - My result was: +1 My BP at the end of the night: 6
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AZRAEL
NIGHT 4 My BP going into Night 4: 3
The ability I used: Protect (2) Who I used it on: Axelrod My result was: Roleblocked
For AB, I was partnered with: Axelrod My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Ally My result was: +1 My BP at the end of the night: 2
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LNGRRRR
NIGHT 4 My BP going into Night 4: 3 (actually 5 or 6)
The ability I used: AB viewer (2) Who I used it on: Osieorb My result was: Osieorb allied with Phoenix-Fire
For AB, I was partnered with: Shinichi My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Ally My result was: +1 My BP at the end of the night: 2 (actually 4 or 5)
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OSIEORB
NIGHT 4 My BP going into Night 4: 4 (actually 2 or 3)
The ability I used: Morphogenetic Field (-1) Who I used it on: Phoenix-Fire My result was: Success
For AB, I was partnered with: Phoenix-Fire My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Ally My result was: +1 My BP at the end of the night: 5 (actually 3 or 4)
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PHOENIX-FIRE
NIGHT 4 My BP going into Night 4: 8
The ability I used: None Who I used it on: - My result was: -
For AB, I was partnered with: Osieorb My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Ally My result was: +1 My BP at the end of the night: 9
Phoenix-Fire 9
LastWhisper 8
Iso 6
Shinichi 5
Tom 5
Jenna 5
Osieorb 5
Dawningbluesky 2
Azrael 2
LnGrrrR 2
(Phoenix, LastWhisper, Iso) / LnGrrrR, Azrael, Dawningbluesky)
(Shinichi, Tom, Jenna)
LnGrrrR lying (at 4 or 5) and having 4 or 5 means:
LnGrrrR lying at 1 means he gets paired with Phoenix.
Phoenix lying means practically anyone can be paired with anyone.
Conclusion: Night 5 pairings are going to be an inconclusive mess. 😩 The only certainty is that Azrael, Dawning, LastWhisper, and Iso aren't going to be without a partner unless something really weird is going on.
Tom motivates Jenna
Jenna tracks Iso and Azrael
Shinichi betrays and roleblocks Phoenix-Fire
Dawning allies and roleblocks LnGrrrR
Phoenix-Fire "passively visits the dead" but gets roleblocked and we should see no result tomorrow morning.
LastWhisper gives BP to (???)
LnGrrrR views my AB choice (unless I'm paired with him or Dawningbluesky or if I'm solo, in any case he views LastWhisper is a backup, and Iso as a 2nd backup). Whatever he's getting roleblocked.
Iso does nothing.
Azrael does nothing.
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I think this means that if I die tomorrow, one of Iso or Tom is mafia. Otherwise we've 100% locked down the mafia's abilities.
It also means Iso's and Dawning's kills go active, meaning no matter what, we're at an extreme advantage.
Even if Iso and/or Tom decide to no-kill as mafia, we will outpace them. The unclears can simply Ally on a Betrayal to kill themselves off.
Looks like the game has just come down to smart use of night abilities.
@Jenna
if the pairings don't line up as predicted, or Osie flips town... we follow my plan. deal?
and it looks like you're optimal NK for both plans. I guess Tom shouldn't use his ability in case you do end up dying. you also forgot that Phoenix's ability can't be roleblocked.
anddd I think Azrael/LnG can try to use their ability if they were allied.. rules doesn't say order of actions are executed consecutively (which means it could be simultaneous). if simultaneous is a thing, anyone paired with them should ally to get more abilities/info out of the phase.
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One minor edit to your records Jenna. Axel betrayed, to assist with the sui plan, which -1'd me. But since DBS refunded my 2 BP spent on the protect attempt, I'm still at 2.
Tom motivates Jenna
Jenna tracks Iso and Azrael
Shinichi betrays and roleblocks Phoenix-Fire
Dawning allies and roleblocks LnGrrrR
Phoenix-Fire "passively visits the dead" but gets roleblocked and we should see no result tomorrow morning.
LastWhisper gives BP to (???)
LnGrrrR views my AB choice (unless I'm paired with him or Dawningbluesky or if I'm solo, in any case he views LastWhisper is a backup, and Iso as a 2nd backup). Whatever he's getting roleblocked.
Iso does nothing.
Azrael does nothing.
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I think this means that if I die tomorrow, one of Iso or Tom is mafia. Otherwise we've 100% locked down the mafia's abilities.
It also means Iso's and Dawning's kills go active, meaning no matter what, we're at an extreme advantage.
Even if Iso and/or Tom decide to no-kill as mafia, we will outpace them. The unclears can simply Ally on a Betrayal to kill themselves off.
Looks like the game has just come down to smart use of night abilities.
Good luck y'all.
Azreal is still alive so I think its obvious who he needs to protect if another obvious town pr dies then azreal is most likely scum.
Jenna I asked prop and bur, my ability doesnt roleblock passives.
In the case that say 2 people end up having their ab actions swapped again, if I were to happen to ally one of those people the person I allied would not have his actions swapped, but the other still would
@Dawning: Az is not clear, and you need to get out of his pocket. Right now.
at least he's not as bad as others atm. mind explaining to me if/and/how do scum know I would be notified of the change in targets? if they never knew about it in the first place, there's no reason to pocket me. derp
Why wouldn't they just ask the mod? (Literally just did, Bur confirmed that using a targeted ability will return if you successfully target that person) Or if they already used an ability they should know generally what the message they got would say anyway. I'm going to go ahead and assume that scum aren't trash at this game and should have a general understanding of how to optimally play.
Bull, I'm alive in spite of my role. And I didn't ask for an excess of BP; it does me nothing.
Wine
Wine
Wine
Wtf even is this... stop using this elementary defense
Shin is right, if your role wasnt what is was... then you would have been voted that day probably... just saying
You didnt ask for excess BP, but either way I still cant get it out of my head that its weird that you have nothing that interacts with BP at all, its beyond weird, especially when literally everyone has ways to interact with their BP, be it thresholds, or the loss of... and then theres you... who just stores BP like a squirrel, it just doesn't seem real...
If I didn't have my role then I wouldn't have been tracked to DV and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
If you're going to start mod gaming me, why are you okay with Az claiming Doctor when we have a FLIPPED TOWN DOCTOR? I didn't design this game, my lack of use for BP isn't something I can do anything about.
Still waiting on an answer on the meta. Like a broken record. Just keep ignoring me. You really think I don't see behavioral issues, here?
"You think I don't see behavior issues?" Well you did just vote me for mod gaming reasons and haven't given any reasons that you think I'm behaviorally scum, so yeah, I think you don't see behavioral issues.
I've already said I'm not able to provide meta, continuing to push that is attempting to be angle-y. Stop. If you need me mislynched so badly to win you're still going to have to play to the spirit of the game to do it.
@Jenna: already checked with Bur days ago, passive abilities can't be roleblocked.
@phoenix Az is more a doctor, while terry was more a bodyguard | Doctor Mix. I am mix as well, I know I am town so thats all I am going to say. Another thing just cause I cant stop your ability doesnt mean I shouldn't betray you.
Also you knew u would be role gamed to minute you claimed what your ability was so dont use that as an excuse.
everybody somehow forgot that we clarified with Phoenix that he had an unblockable role. ok.
and why so many claimed interactions with the hosts? I swear, if I ever host a game, I will [u]ban[/b] any mention of host interaction. ***** like this drags a defenseless party into the game (like Jenna's mod accusation), and make speculation/theories/creativity/logic useless. I don't recall ever being so uncreative/blatant about my alignment, until this game lol. puhlease, enough with the mod talk. you signed up for a game with set rules, which means everything else is open to speculation. saying we should verify with hosts pretty much breaks the uncertainty factor. no point in playing a game we're so sure about. this....is why I hate 'verifying things with the host'. it ruins everything. can I call this my meta?
@Phoenix
there's no verification of the target's [u]name[/u] with a redirect. Axel's flip doesn't mention it, and he is a redirector. even if scum wanted to waste the RB, it could've pointed me to Last (who is conf town in my book).
hmm.. thought of something.. does the redirect affect both actions? Tom claimed that having me redirected makes his doubling useless, so does it apply to both actions (if, say, I was successfully doubled)? redirecting me for a pocket attempt just doesn't seem worth the risk.
another thing. if scum are 'smart', why were they unable to divert the Cyth/Kaba lynch? suggesting that Azrael is pro enough to survive so long (and even pocket via mechanics), but can't save 2 teammates, is like....saying we're playing 2 different games at the same time.
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******* do something then... and A FLIPPED TOWN NURSE, IS NOT A TOWN DOCTOR...
and im not saying anything is ur fault, im just saying ur scum... lol
decent chance its exactly either az/lngrr or phoenix/osi tbh
like theres other combinations in those 4 names that work, and theres still a chance of shin.
but
yeah
im trying to decide who axel would target once i was confirmed to him and i want to say AZ but probably not because claim and i dont even know how that would work
its probably either phoenix or osi though, which would match up with a team who would have done the kill dawn/block az plan that axel could have screwed up
I guess this is a pretty good indicator that unless we have 5 scum, Az is probably town.
Osieorb used morphogenetic field, didn't show up for night, allied by default, and Phoenix didn't share any of this information. Nothing happened in the chat? The changing story is still unbelievable.
Vote: Osieorb
Updated results in separate post.
I'm still not paying attention to claimed Night actions. So...huh?
Tom motivates Jenna
Jenna tracks Iso and Azrael
Shinichi betrays and roleblocks Phoenix-Fire
Dawning allies and roleblocks LnGrrrR
Phoenix-Fire "passively visits the dead" but gets roleblocked and we should see no result tomorrow morning.
LastWhisper gives BP to (???)
LnGrrrR views my AB choice (unless I'm paired with him or Dawningbluesky or if I'm solo, in any case he views LastWhisper is a backup, and Iso as a 2nd backup). Whatever he's getting roleblocked.
Iso does nothing.
Azrael does nothing.
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I think this means that if I die tomorrow, one of Iso or Tom is mafia. Otherwise we've 100% locked down the mafia's abilities.
It also means Iso's and Dawning's kills go active, meaning no matter what, we're at an extreme advantage.
Even if Iso and/or Tom decide to no-kill as mafia, we will outpace them. The unclears can simply Ally on a Betrayal to kill themselves off.
Looks like the game has just come down to smart use of night abilities.
Good luck y'all.
The only hole in the plan is if you're scum - but I don't think you are, so I'm on-board with this.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@dbs so much hate people are allowed to asks hosts questions, aslong as they tell the truth. If a player lies about the response a mod gave them thats actually rule breaking. Outside that I do agree with wht your saying about phoenix.
I asked because I want to know how my ability intereacts with all the new information that shows up, I dont see anything wrong with telling you my findings.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Agreed with Az. Phoenix was freaking tracked to a kill. If it's between Osie and him, that puts the weight on his side. Plus, again, look at how Kaba shaded Phoenix but never voted him.
I am pretty sure thats 1 role and it makes sense for it to be LNG.
Please explain how you think it makes sense.
Well osi the neighborizer rather hes scum aligned or town aligned is to be determined that has literally be proven. While you have an unconfirmable ability that works with AB, seeing as how the ab switcher and the redirector seem like they could work well as 1 role I have determined you, or phoenix has that role.
Goodbye cruel world! I welcome the sweet relief of the cold arms of death!
Okay, in all seriousness, my death lowers the mislynch pool significantly, which is crucial, and about half of the reason that I stepped off of Azrael. The other half was realizing that Azrael might not be scum. I still am inclined to believe that Azrael is lying about something, but maybe not…
AB Switcher is almost certainly LnGrrrR just based on pure sensible setup.
Lynch LnGrrrR next, please.
Redirector is most likely Iso, though it could be someone else, including some likelihood of Tom. It could also be Azrael, but redirecting to himself is pretty genius levels of WIFOM even for one of the most experienced people here. Phoenix is another possibility, but he managed to be incredibly town behaviorally for a lot of the game in that case. In particular, I'm inclined to believe his claim, and I don't think that scum got false claims this game.
Iso's posts have been strewn with opportunism. Not enough time to really go through and call it out, but Azrael can probably find it again if he's on the right side.
Iso/LnGrrrR for last two scum. Everyone else is mostly cleared in my book.
Dawning, Last, Phoenix and Shinichi are most likely town. If Phoenix isn't town, then they kinda deserve the win.
Considering the possibility of a neutral around now might be a thing, though maybe it'll be possible to do that after dealing with scum.
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What else?
Oh, tying up some loose ends:
With all due respect, @Jenna, you have some things to learn in regards to how to play the game basics, especially from an etiquette standpoint. A mentor might help in future games? Posting without a gimmick helped significantly. But accusing the mod of being a bastard mod is not a good play, no matter which team you're on. You might as well be accusing players of cheating at that point. I think you're probably town, but either way I think you could be a great player if you can get past some of the snap judgements, especially in regards to how you respond to people responding, either positively or negatively, to you. It's definitely something most mafia players struggle with (I avoid voting someone who is voting me without putting a lot of thought into it, for this reason), but it helps a lot. It also definitely fits in to the general point that I made, and Az made, about just… thinking a little more before posting, all the time. Just some hopefully helpful, constructive critique.
@Dawning: Gambits can be town or scum. Not enough reason to believe that Az's gambit was definitely town. Heck, a lot of players would be more likely to try something like that as scum than as town. You should probably block in the two I mentioned above, though. Maybe you and Shinichi will both be able to block them and then you can really see if they are the exact team.
@LnGrrrR: Don't be too hard on Jenna. It is only her second game or something like that.
@Azrael: Not even really an ego thing. That really just came up in the case of Dawning's condescending bull***** post. I legitimately was pretty convinced that you were scum based primarily on you staying alive for as long as you did, and the other stuff was icing on the cake. Sorry if I made things less-than-pleasant for you with the hard tunnel. I know that being busy with life has made mafia rarer for you, and I hope this was a good game despite that.
Oh, also @Jenna (and other town): End of Day 4, I neighbourized Phoenix. Night 4, we chatted a little. For at least the 2 hours before the end-of-Night deadline, I was off doing something else IRL, and missed the deadline. Oh well, I was going to ally anyways.
@Lastwhisper: Some tunneling on both sides here. At some point, I kinda just started leaving you open as a possibility because of tone and AtE, but I was struggling with the feeling you were probably town as of about Night 2.
@Shinichi: I have nothing for you. Go eat a banana.
Wait a sec… I do have one thing. This is incorrect: If a player lies about the response a mod gave them thats actually rule breaking. It is rule breaking to say what the response was word-for-word, but it is not rule breaking to lie about the response.
Seriously i just cant honestly comprehend this game anymore, i mean sure u dieing clears you up but i rather have a person that we can anaylyze hammer.
@lngrr either way ur getting lynched next phase without a doubt
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I honestly don't even know what I expect osi to flip here but its...
Like of everyone in my poe I find him the ~towniest but the people below him are various shades of "don't make sense together" and he at least sort of works with all of them so maybe this is a good lynch but if he flips town I don't really get anything out of it which... maybe makes him being town more likely?
Idk lemme try to parse these night action plans
like theres other combinations in those 4 names that work, and theres still a chance of shin.
but
yeah
im trying to decide who axel would target once i was confirmed to him and i want to say AZ but probably not because claim and i dont even know how that would work
its probably either phoenix or osi though, which would match up with a team who would have done the kill dawn/block az plan that axel could have screwed up
Oh i have permission, its on now baby >:D
You have a point no reason confirmed town would lie, so the situation is better if i test my ability on said people but whats the point of my rolelbock then lmfao. If i can block the ab switcher that be ******* nice as hell.
no thanks to you since I did all the workBe grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
looks like a typo. ability costs 4. this hints at a missing BP otherwise lol
according to his claim, he dies if betrayed. that's interactive, I think. and isn't squirreling (lol) indicative of a neutral?
Be grateful, always."
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**** it, if town isn't going to listen to common sense...
For post-game cred, on the assumption that I'm dead soon: Scum team is in Iso(opportunistic)/Jenna(out of this world)/Azrael(scummy as heck)
I'm just going to vote with town, I guess.
Vote Tomsloger
Day 4
My BP going into Day 4: 4
Ability I used: Morphogenetic Field (-1)
My BP going into Night 4: 3
For AB, I was partnered with: Phoenix-Fire
My AB choice: Ally (by default; I wasn't around)
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 4
I will neighbourize at end of Day if I'm paired with Tom, Dawning, Last, Shinichi, or LnGrrrR.
Now seriously, back to work.
Continued unreliable access (V/LA) until Saturday
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
random~
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-5-crash-and-burn?comment=4249
Be grateful, always."
Osieorb used morphogenetic field, didn't show up for night, allied by default, and Phoenix didn't share any of this information. Nothing happened in the chat? The changing story is still unbelievable.
Vote: Osieorb
Updated results in separate post.
Nights 1 - 3: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-5-crash-and-burn?page=140#c7046
SHINICHI
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 4
The ability I used: None
Who I used it on: -
My result was: -
For AB, I was partnered with: LnGrrrR
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 5
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TOM
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 10
The ability I used: Motivate (-4)
Who I used it on: Dawningbluesky
My result was: Redirected to Axelrod.
For AB, I was partnered with: Jenna
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Betray
My result was: -1
My BP at the end of the night: 5
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JENNA
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 1
The ability I used: None
Who I used it on: -
My result was: -
For AB, I was partnered with: Tom
My AB choice: Betray
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +3, plus a +1 from LastWhisper
My BP at the end of the night: 5
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LASTWHISPER
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 6
The ability I used: Give 1 BP (1)
Who I used it on: Jenna
My result was: Success
For AB, I was partnered with: Dawningbluesky
My AB choice: Betray
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 8
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DAWNINGBLUESKY
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 3
The ability I used: Roleblock (0)
Who I used it on: Phoenix
My result was: Redirected to Azrael; Azrael roleblocked
For AB, I was partnered with: LastWhisper
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Betray
My result was: -1
My BP at the end of the night: 2
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ISO
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 5
The ability I used: None
Who I used it on: -
My result was: -
For AB, I was partnered with: -
My AB choice: -
Their AB choice: -
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 6
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AZRAEL
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 3
The ability I used: Protect (2)
Who I used it on: Axelrod
My result was: Roleblocked
For AB, I was partnered with: Axelrod
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 2
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LNGRRRR
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 3 (actually 5 or 6)
The ability I used: AB viewer (2)
Who I used it on: Osieorb
My result was: Osieorb allied with Phoenix-Fire
For AB, I was partnered with: Shinichi
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 2 (actually 4 or 5)
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OSIEORB
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 4 (actually 2 or 3)
The ability I used: Morphogenetic Field (-1)
Who I used it on: Phoenix-Fire
My result was: Success
For AB, I was partnered with: Phoenix-Fire
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 5 (actually 3 or 4)
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PHOENIX-FIRE
NIGHT 4
My BP going into Night 4: 8
The ability I used: None
Who I used it on: -
My result was: -
For AB, I was partnered with: Osieorb
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +1
My BP at the end of the night: 9
Phoenix-Fire 9
LastWhisper 8
Iso 6
Shinichi 5
Tom 5
Jenna 5
Osieorb 5
Dawningbluesky 2
Azrael 2
LnGrrrR 2
(Phoenix, LastWhisper, Iso) / LnGrrrR, Azrael, Dawningbluesky)
(Shinichi, Tom, Jenna)
LnGrrrR lying (at 4 or 5) and having 4 or 5 means:
(Phoenix, LastWhisper) / (Azrael, Dawning)
(Everyone Else)
LnGrrrR lying at 1 means he gets paired with Phoenix.
Phoenix lying means practically anyone can be paired with anyone.
Conclusion: Night 5 pairings are going to be an inconclusive mess. 😩 The only certainty is that Azrael, Dawning, LastWhisper, and Iso aren't going to be without a partner unless something really weird is going on.
Tom motivates Jenna
Jenna tracks Iso and Azrael
Shinichi betrays and roleblocks Phoenix-Fire
Dawning allies and roleblocks LnGrrrR
Phoenix-Fire "passively visits the dead" but gets roleblocked and we should see no result tomorrow morning.
LastWhisper gives BP to (???)
LnGrrrR views my AB choice (unless I'm paired with him or Dawningbluesky or if I'm solo, in any case he views LastWhisper is a backup, and Iso as a 2nd backup). Whatever he's getting roleblocked.
Iso does nothing.
Azrael does nothing.
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I think this means that if I die tomorrow, one of Iso or Tom is mafia. Otherwise we've 100% locked down the mafia's abilities.
It also means Iso's and Dawning's kills go active, meaning no matter what, we're at an extreme advantage.
Even if Iso and/or Tom decide to no-kill as mafia, we will outpace them. The unclears can simply Ally on a Betrayal to kill themselves off.
Looks like the game has just come down to smart use of night abilities.
Good luck y'all.
if the pairings don't line up as predicted, or Osie flips town... we follow my plan. deal?
and it looks like you're optimal NK for both plans. I guess Tom shouldn't use his ability in case you do end up dying. you also forgot that Phoenix's ability can't be roleblocked.
anddd I think Azrael/LnG can try to use their ability if they were allied.. rules doesn't say order of actions are executed consecutively (which means it could be simultaneous). if simultaneous is a thing, anyone paired with them should ally to get more abilities/info out of the phase.
Be grateful, always."
calling info lynch, if not scum.
Be grateful, always."
No they are not i am sorry even if ur not scum i cant see a world where iso and jenna are scum.
Its to tom | Az | Grr | Phoenix
Azreal is still alive so I think its obvious who he needs to protect if another obvious town pr dies then azreal is most likely scum.
Jenna I asked prop and bur, my ability doesnt roleblock passives.
In the case that say 2 people end up having their ab actions swapped again, if I were to happen to ally one of those people the person I allied would not have his actions swapped, but the other still would
Lng were u redirected?
If you're going to start mod gaming me, why are you okay with Az claiming Doctor when we have a FLIPPED TOWN DOCTOR? I didn't design this game, my lack of use for BP isn't something I can do anything about."You think I don't see behavior issues?" Well you did just vote me for mod gaming reasons and haven't given any reasons that you think I'm behaviorally scum, so yeah, I think you don't see behavioral issues.
I've already said I'm not able to provide meta, continuing to push that is attempting to be angle-y. Stop. If you need me mislynched so badly to win you're still going to have to play to the spirit of the game to do it.
@Jenna: already checked with Bur days ago, passive abilities can't be roleblocked.
Also you knew u would be role gamed to minute you claimed what your ability was so dont use that as an excuse.
and why so many claimed interactions with the hosts? I swear, if I ever host a game, I will [u]ban[/b] any mention of host interaction. ***** like this drags a defenseless party into the game (like Jenna's mod accusation), and make speculation/theories/creativity/logic useless. I don't recall ever being so uncreative/blatant about my alignment, until this game lol. puhlease, enough with the mod talk. you signed up for a game with set rules, which means everything else is open to speculation. saying we should verify with hosts pretty much breaks the uncertainty factor. no point in playing a game we're so sure about. this....is why I hate 'verifying things with the host'. it ruins everything. can I call this my meta?
@Phoenix
there's no verification of the target's [u]name[/u] with a redirect. Axel's flip doesn't mention it, and he is a redirector. even if scum wanted to waste the RB, it could've pointed me to Last (who is conf town in my book).
hmm.. thought of something.. does the redirect affect both actions? Tom claimed that having me redirected makes his doubling useless, so does it apply to both actions (if, say, I was successfully doubled)? redirecting me for a pocket attempt just doesn't seem worth the risk.
another thing. if scum are 'smart', why were they unable to divert the Cyth/Kaba lynch? suggesting that Azrael is pro enough to survive so long (and even pocket via mechanics), but can't save 2 teammates, is like....saying we're playing 2 different games at the same time.
Be grateful, always."
******* do something then... and A FLIPPED TOWN NURSE, IS NOT A TOWN DOCTOR...
and im not saying anything is ur fault, im just saying ur scum... lol
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I guess this is a pretty good indicator that unless we have 5 scum, Az is probably town.
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in what ******* alternate dimension do you live in to be able to somehow conclude that I am being opportunistic
I'm still not paying attention to claimed Night actions. So...huh?
The only hole in the plan is if you're scum - but I don't think you are, so I'm on-board with this.
Vote osi
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I asked because I want to know how my ability intereacts with all the new information that shows up, I dont see anything wrong with telling you my findings.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Coolio wanted to check something is all
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Osieorb is going to flip AB switcher.
LnGrrrR is going to flip redirector.
After that, go nuts.
If I'm paired with a townie...
If I Ally = Tom didn't motivate me
If I Betray = Tom motivated me
There. Proof of Tom's night action will come.
I am pretty sure thats 1 role and it makes sense for it to be LNG.
We only need two more votes on Osieorb and those votes could be any of LnGrrrR, Phoenix-Fire, or Azrael. Or Shinichi, or Tom.
Come at me bro, are you chicken? Huh? Huh?
Vote: Shinichi
See this article.
My protection is down. I'm not allowed to zero it out.
Clever.
I'm not certain what the Osie case is, aside from Jenna's statistics, and a lot of allegations of poor townie play.
Please explain how you think it makes sense.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Why not? Anything could happen.
Well osi the neighborizer rather hes scum aligned or town aligned is to be determined that has literally be proven. While you have an unconfirmable ability that works with AB, seeing as how the ab switcher and the redirector seem like they could work well as 1 role I have determined you, or phoenix has that role.
Whats the purpose of linking this article? I understand town can lie, it was more of a "why would town lie to hurt another town kind of thing"
vote:Osi
U shouldn't be pushing your luck, i will hammer if i have too.
Goodbye cruel world! I welcome the sweet relief of the cold arms of death!
Okay, in all seriousness, my death lowers the mislynch pool significantly, which is crucial, and about half of the reason that I stepped off of Azrael. The other half was realizing that Azrael might not be scum. I still am inclined to believe that Azrael is lying about something, but maybe not…
AB Switcher is almost certainly LnGrrrR just based on pure sensible setup.
Lynch LnGrrrR next, please.
Redirector is most likely Iso, though it could be someone else, including some likelihood of Tom. It could also be Azrael, but redirecting to himself is pretty genius levels of WIFOM even for one of the most experienced people here. Phoenix is another possibility, but he managed to be incredibly town behaviorally for a lot of the game in that case. In particular, I'm inclined to believe his claim, and I don't think that scum got false claims this game.
Iso's posts have been strewn with opportunism. Not enough time to really go through and call it out, but Azrael can probably find it again if he's on the right side.
Iso/LnGrrrR for last two scum. Everyone else is mostly cleared in my book.
Dawning, Last, Phoenix and Shinichi are most likely town. If Phoenix isn't town, then they kinda deserve the win.
Considering the possibility of a neutral around now might be a thing, though maybe it'll be possible to do that after dealing with scum.
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What else?
Oh, tying up some loose ends:
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See y'all around.
@lngrr either way ur getting lynched next phase without a doubt
What about the BP choice switcher?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I honestly don't even know what I expect osi to flip here but its...
Like of everyone in my poe I find him the ~towniest but the people below him are various shades of "don't make sense together" and he at least sort of works with all of them so maybe this is a good lynch but if he flips town I don't really get anything out of it which... maybe makes him being town more likely?
Idk lemme try to parse these night action plans