this dude was absent from almost all the lynches maybe even all, can't recall, and he should've been off'd a long time ago imo, he has lost his free ride imo.
TBH Cyn and Tom are both optimal lynches for today
and I know I havent been posting a lot lately, but I am always reading, can't say the same for others... but I would never say I'm far behind.
I feel as a lot of people just feel under the radar and are just going with the flow.
1. Iso (obviously not going to push him for this, if you dont know why, then you arent reading the thread)
2. Phoenix (Spent all of last day defending himself, then when the tides were calm, he vanished into the night)
3. Cythare (not much of anything from him, gunna post more about him in my answer to Osie's question tho)
4. Tom (Where do I even start?) Manages to make a post right before every phase change, and it conveniently absent from every hammer...
@Phraze
I implore you to step away from this Shin vs You debate, and focus on someone else that can be scum (like I said, I believe he is either town, or tpr), because I know that you believe Azrael is town...
this dude was absent from almost all the lynches maybe even all, can't recall, and he should've been off'd a long time ago imo, he has lost his free ride imo.
I can't remember a single Cyth post, but that could be just an innocent mannerism. I sometimes catch myself addressing people who I actively think are scum, as though I'm reserving doubt that they're town, or even assuming they could be town. That's kind of a thing that happens a lot. Probably better foundations for a case than that.
I see... though, there's a lot of echoes of already-said opinions...in her reads. not much to look into her mindset or outlook of the game.
FYI, Cythare is male, as far as I know. (Met him a couple months ago)
Also, what are your current thoughts on Tom?
I go both ways lol. no clue what to refer to him/her as. but thanks for the clarification.
my thoughts on Tom: lynch material.
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this dude was absent from almost all the lynches maybe even all, can't recall, and he should've been off'd a long time ago imo, he has lost his free ride imo.
What?
I mean, sure, but, what?
ohh don't give me that...
The invisible zucchini lasagna flying around your driveway demands sacrifice.
@Phraze
I implore you to step away from this Shin vs You debate, and focus on someone else that can be scum (like I said, I believe he is either town, or tpr), because I know that you believe Azrael is town...
I stepped away from it ever since the D3. already said I believe he could be tpr, which is good enough to back off from. but since I think he COULD be tpr, there won't be a loss in lynching him if we ever choose to mislynch again. and it's not that I treat Azrael as townfirmed, but having a doc around for 1 more phase along with my RB sounds like a good idea .-.
and we can wait for Iso's vengeful to be activated to resolve Iso/Azrael at once. hmmmm I'm not sure if it's better to activate/verify the vengeful's alignment and sacrifice town with it, or just choose to wipe out Azrael and, if he flips town, try to lynch Iso. which decision has more losses?
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@Phraze
I implore you to step away from this Shin vs You debate, and focus on someone else that can be scum (like I said, I believe he is either town, or tpr), because I know that you believe Azrael is town...
I stepped away from it ever since the D3. already said I believe he could be tpr, which is good enough to back off from. but since I think he COULD be tpr, there won't be a loss in lynching him if we ever choose to mislynch again. and it's not that I treat Azrael as townfirmed, but having a doc around for 1 more phase along with my RB sounds like a good idea .-.
and we can wait for Iso's vengeful to be activated to resolve Iso/Azrael at once. hmmmm I'm not sure if it's better to activate/verify the vengeful's alignment and sacrifice town with it, or just choose to wipe out Azrael and, if he flips town, try to lynch Iso. which decision has more losses?
I wasnt implying we wait for Iso to reach the activation of his passive... I was just saying if there is ever a time to resolve him, then it'd be best to do it when he is at 7 BP, and I meant more that I wanted to make sure He got their before he died at night... Im still all for wiping Az off the map, but I fail to see why we would go for Iso if Az did flip town...
and I cant fully agree that there would be no loss in lynching Shin, I still think he has a chance of flipping town lol
and again Azrael wants to kill himself tonight... so again we should allow him to do that...
@Shinichi
if you say I'm not proven, why do you say "Ok clearly I was wrong about that"? there is a way to prove someone's role, if you're smart enough. even if a cop is present, there could be miller or other to mess with the results. if you only see through one angle, and disprove everything because of your bias towards a role, you'll lose and lose hard. investigative roles can be messed with, same as any other role.
what's proven is that my RB blocked a kill, even if I wasn't sure of it, and it's wine to think scum would sacrifice a nightkill just to out a teammate and help town with their wincon. isn't that against the rules?
you said your hand was 'forced' when I chose to not sit and be told I was lying about my claim. double standard.
before you complain that it's old, I'm just applying what I've learned to the current situation.
explain and case for me why Azrael is scum. I've asked that of Last, and I ask that of you. please give me something concrete that isn't just tone or words, since that is subjective and can be painted any shade at will. I'd rather something more solid, like coasting or lack of insight into behavior. has Cythare done anything worth townreading? why don't you put her at L2 to claim? you're selective about who you scumread, and that's something I noticed about your scumgames.
I was wrong about there not being a dictohomy is what i was referring to lol.What one angle are u talking about? You act like people are only reading azreal based on yesterday EOD lmfao which is far from the truth. Like honestly idk what your trying to get at with this first paragraph, i've lost because of a scum neighborizer before so i understand painfully that a role can be either alignment. We aren't talking about that though, we're talking about the assumption that if there is multitudes of a role that 1 has to be scum.
Again my hand was forced because you tried to soft claim and then expected town to just shutup,leavig you be. If 1 person is known to be scum why risk a mislynch I don't understand.
I have to admit, Azrael is weakening my resolve here. He's certainly making a tremendous effort if he's scum.
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@Phraze
I implore you to step away from this Shin vs You debate, and focus on someone else that can be scum (like I said, I believe he is either town, or tpr), because I know that you believe Azrael is town...
I stepped away from it ever since the D3. already said I believe he could be tpr, which is good enough to back off from. but since I think he COULD be tpr, there won't be a loss in lynching him if we ever choose to mislynch again. and it's not that I treat Azrael as townfirmed, but having a doc around for 1 more phase along with my RB sounds like a good idea .-.
and we can wait for Iso's vengeful to be activated to resolve Iso/Azrael at once. hmmmm I'm not sure if it's better to activate/verify the vengeful's alignment and sacrifice town with it, or just choose to wipe out Azrael and, if he flips town, try to lynch Iso. which decision has more losses?
I wasnt implying we wait for Iso to reach the activation of his passive... I was just saying if there is ever a time to resolve him, then it'd be best to do it when he is at 7 BP, and I meant more that I wanted to make sure He got their before he died at night... Im still all for wiping Az off the map, but I fail to see why we would go for Iso if Az did flip town...
and I cant fully agree that there would be no loss in lynching Shin, I still think he has a chance of flipping town lol
and again Azrael wants to kill himself tonight... so again we should allow him to do that...
if Azrael flips town then we can see he has sense in scumreading Iso.
Iso's vengeful will help when we lynch him, less players to sort out. nothing guarantees his alignment, and its best to activate his ability before LyLo so we don't step on the landmine of "he was scum afterall" insta-lose. no cop to check him. suggest we lynch Iso and he takes out Azrael.
mind telling me why you think Shinichi is town? how was him putting you at L2 townish? why would he focus so much on me and Azrael without other options?
don't agree with Azrael self-kill, since I can try RB another kill.
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Osie Players with "R" in their name: (this isnt going to be beautifully detailed
Axel
For now he his town, if I need to look over him later I will, but he is probably my highest town lean atm
Azrael
Tbh, the only reason I even scum read him is because of his claim, and his defense of Kaba, but overall, he has provided great insight on the players of this game, which is probably the only reason I never hammered him... plus he says hes gunna kill himself over night... lol
Cynthare
Not much to say, hasnt done much, in and out of this game. I could ISO him, but I wouldnt find much. Like a lot of the bigger lurkers, seems to be ok with the flow of the game, when even the most vocal speakers are still on and off about who they want to lynch this phase...
Phraze (Dawn)
I want to believe she is town, but everything is still up in the air at this point
Didnt realize how many players have "R" in their name...
Tom
You know my opinion on him, even if you think its *****
Grr
Flavor wise, I think he is town (but he still can be scum)
Jenna
I hated his claim so much...but I think everything he does comes from a town mindset
Phoenix
you know how I feel about him also... wants me lynched, hasnt dont much to prove hes town, and comes in only to state his distaste for me
Not much detail her, its just a rough one setence statement about all these players from my head, if you want more detail on any of them, I'll be happy to back read tomorrow since I am off from work
Tbh if u feel that way, then one of you is lying about ur role, or one of u is ******* tpr... And if that's the case u both are still open to be tpr... And this isn't wine... This how I've seen u and shin all game
which is what I've been trying to say all this while. I kinda proven myself to be town-aligned, so Shin better get to admitting tpr or just get lynched. though you won't mind lynching tpr, right?
my fullclaim still stands:
Alice - town daredevil
RB at 3 or less BP
vig at 1 BP
not sure I can see town manipulator as town, maybe tpr.
I aint tpr, i am town manipulative I dont know how many times i gotta spell that out lmfao
I'd like to think the game is as simple as Phoenix/Tom/Cyth, but it feels almost too easy, if so. Feel that there very easily could be a single scum hiding high in my list in place of the Cyth slot, but I'm heavily resisting the idea that I'm wrong on two of my stronger reads. In that world, I'm looking at like two of Jenna, or Iso, or Axelrod again, or maybe one of the others I mentioned if they are far, far more talented than they appear on the surface.
I'm about 85% sure that Phoenix is town for several reasons, first and foremost being that I'm still alive after Night 2.
Got the prod, I'm just kind of waiting for Az to finish his work out of respect, but I don't really see myself lynching anyone else today.
Still kinda think last is scum; voting Dawning (basically confirmed town) and the BP loss ability hasn't occurred since he's been using the BP give ability. And his actions/AB decisions don't makes sense from town.
Why even bother using the bp taker ability if he was only going to use it once, why even out that hes the bp giver and give people bp?
@Osie
I would buss them of their useless... Aka Awa and Lamby... Where I spent all game making their actions for them...
And I don't believe shin is 100% town or 100% scum... Just yet... My vote is on him for a reason...
The fight for control here... Is that I have no reason to believe ur town, just from the fact that I know that you have many strategies to win as scum... @phraze
That's why I wish u and shin would just both be gone... And let me get this straight, so are you saying you only protected me so that I would be ur lap dog? We still have no confirmation about why their was no night kill the during the night ur roleblocked kaba... Occums razor simply states that it was you that stopped the night kill... But if your just gunna sit on that and use that fuel ur agenda to Lynch shin, then I will have no part in it
Thank you, thats whats bothering me if shes town then why does she feel the need to use everything shes done as a way to push her own agenda. Its like because I dont have a role that can prove itself I have to be scum.
Hey Dawning, do you think Last and Shin are a dichotomy, or that Last is strictly town and Shin is likely scum, or that Last is likely town and Shin is likely scum but their alignments are not related?
Last was willing to believe Shin was town, but didn't receive the same treatment. looks like a fight for control here, with one side absorbing the beatings. hard to read. if they're irl bros then it could just be daily interaction converted to forum material.
Fair. Do you think that Last would bus two remaining buddies at once as scum?
@Shinichi: Feel free to answer this question as well.
I dont see the point to this question, regardless of the answer is still wine.
tbh I wish u both would just die and a long side the Azrael lynch,.. that would answer evrrything...
well thanks, that further strengthens my future ultimatum. I shouldn't have cared that you were town, because even if you're alive you're just better off dead.
seriously? just because you cannot accept that I have valid reasons, or can't provide any of your own, to have to lynch someone you know, you would rather ruin the experience for everyone in favor of your personal feelings. jeez.
just make a case and convince me. it's better than whining over there about not wanting to face the music.
Hey Dawning, do you think Last and Shin are a dichotomy, or that Last is strictly town and Shin is likely scum, or that Last is likely town and Shin is likely scum but their alignments are not related?
Last was willing to believe Shin was town, but didn't receive the same treatment. looks like a fight for control here, with one side absorbing the beatings. hard to read. if they're irl bros then it could just be daily interaction converted to forum material.
Wtf you mean IF? To feign ignorance here like u dont know we're actual bros, what purpose other than being scum would you have to lie about that. Its not about your valid reasons its the fact that you would rather pressure another person than push the person that is most certainly scum.
Again my hand was forced because you tried to soft claim and then expected town to just shutup,leavig you be. If 1 person is known to be scum why risk a mislynch I don't understand.
the only thing I find worth addressing is this..
everyone has their way of playing. just because someone softclaims doesn't mean they're scum. look into the motive behind an action, before the action. you insist there is a right and wrong way to play a game, but there are many mindsets and views towards an approach. learn to respect differences, okay? the most I go is softclaiming, and I hate having to fullclaim, that is NAI coming from me, but you WIFOM it into a scumtell - that, my friend, is what makes you a scumlean. it's just blindingly obvious that you've been anti-town, and I would love to think otherwise.
if you felt forced in any way, it's because you are forcing your own version of rights and wrongs onto others. reflect on that and change.
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@Phraze
I implore you to step away from this Shin vs You debate, and focus on someone else that can be scum (like I said, I believe he is either town, or tpr), because I know that you believe Azrael is town...
I stepped away from it ever since the D3. already said I believe he could be tpr, which is good enough to back off from. but since I think he COULD be tpr, there won't be a loss in lynching him if we ever choose to mislynch again. and it's not that I treat Azrael as townfirmed, but having a doc around for 1 more phase along with my RB sounds like a good idea .-.
and we can wait for Iso's vengeful to be activated to resolve Iso/Azrael at once. hmmmm I'm not sure if it's better to activate/verify the vengeful's alignment and sacrifice town with it, or just choose to wipe out Azrael and, if he flips town, try to lynch Iso. which decision has more losses?
Again I aint tpr, and if I was at this point I would have told you if I was. The fact that I town read you should be good enough for you to think hey maybe shin is starting to pick up on something. Also unless you think I was tpr killing then why would u bother voting me or someone that could be sum. If hes scum doc why the hell would it even matter.
Also again we lose alot more lynching a vengeful if its town, why sacrifice a town just so he could kill scum? Why not just lynch the person that could be scum.
Again my hand was forced because you tried to soft claim and then expected town to just shutup,leavig you be. If 1 person is known to be scum why risk a mislynch I don't understand.
the only thing I find worth addressing is this..
everyone has their way of playing. just because someone softclaims doesn't mean they're scum. look into the motive behind an action, before the action. you insist there is a right and wrong way to play a game, but there are many mindsets and views towards an approach. learn to respect differences, okay? the most I go is softclaiming, and I hate having to fullclaim, that is NAI coming from me, but you WIFOM it into a scumtell - that, my friend, is what makes you a scumlean. it's just blindingly obvious that you've been anti-town, and I would love to think otherwise.
if you felt forced in any way, it's because you are forcing your own version of rights and wrongs onto others. reflect on that and change.
Ok cool doesnt change the fact that I only see scum benefitting from soft claiming, its no offense to how you play or how others play but to me thats just another tool scum can hide behind. Doesnt matter ifs a newbie, a friend, or a pro player I hate tools that scum can hide behind. Its not even wifom though, because that would imply there being some instances where I am ok with soft claiming, which there arent.
Im not forcing anything, I scum read soft claims how you deal with that is your choice and your choice only I have no control over how u handle it.
@Phraze
I implore you to step away from this Shin vs You debate, and focus on someone else that can be scum (like I said, I believe he is either town, or tpr), because I know that you believe Azrael is town...
I stepped away from it ever since the D3. already said I believe he could be tpr, which is good enough to back off from. but since I think he COULD be tpr, there won't be a loss in lynching him if we ever choose to mislynch again. and it's not that I treat Azrael as townfirmed, but having a doc around for 1 more phase along with my RB sounds like a good idea .-.
and we can wait for Iso's vengeful to be activated to resolve Iso/Azrael at once. hmmmm I'm not sure if it's better to activate/verify the vengeful's alignment and sacrifice town with it, or just choose to wipe out Azrael and, if he flips town, try to lynch Iso. which decision has more losses?
Again I aint tpr, and if I was at this point I would have told you if I was. The fact that I town read you should be good enough for you to think hey maybe shin is starting to pick up on something. Also unless you think I was tpr killing then why would u bother voting me or someone that could be sum. If hes scum doc why the hell would it even matter.
Also again we lose alot more lynching a vengeful if its town, why sacrifice a town just so he could kill scum? Why not just lynch the person that could be scum.
please stop this...
There is no reason for Phraze to town read you, just because you slightly town read her now... Also again we lose alot more lynching a vengeful if its town, why sacrifice a town just so he could kill scum? Why not just lynch the person that could be scum. this is a ******* lie b/c unless ur gunna say you handle this situation differently when you are the vengeful...
you two are giving me reasons to want one of you lynched again, and I am so done with this...
Give me your real ******* PoE and be done with this nonsense...
@lastwhisper31 So your basing that off of 1 game which was lvie mafia, and on top of that I hit mafia. Before that we werent even sure who could be mafia so whats your point.
She should have plenty of reason to town read me, but she keeps getting hung up by my role.
@Azreal Reading your ***** on Iso does have me thinking, atleast the obvious super scummy choices like going back n forth between reading kj. The first post doesnt change much because Again its too much meta.
Overrall most of those posts when you relook at them seem iffy af, ill say this if your town hes scum and vise versa.
also vote: Tom this dude was absent from almost all the lynches maybe even all, can't recall, and he should've been off'd a long time ago imo, he has lost his free ride imo.
sorry what?
i was absent from literally one lynch when we majjed grapefruit while i was working. and i was scumreading him so
@Shinichi
what is so bad about using a tool? it's like you say that softclaims are bad just because. actions vary from person to person. reason and motives should matter more to you, because it is the way to look into someone's mindset. why didn't you look for the reason instead of jumping to conclusions? feels like you weren't gamesolving there. would like to know why. oh, and no fighting~
@lastwhisper
chill. I feel like a teacher talking to you tbh.
1. we flip vengefultown!Iso who takes out possibletown!Azrael. we go into next phase with 2 players less to worry about. better night actions and we can lynch, next phase, with 2 times more info.
2. if we flip Azrael and he's town, townreads get NK'd in between, and we might wanna lynch Iso to be on the safe side - which could waste a lynch and cost us another NK. besides the fact we should activate vengeful to take out potential scum...eventually. we end up with net more townies dead then if we flipped Iso in the first place, and don't have the freedom to lynch suspects.
end of story: better to leave Iso/Azrael alone. in the offchance that both are town(which I believe they are), lynching one means townfirming and causing the NK of the other. 2nd choice means deadlocking us into what might be a bad route. and if you wanna see my strat on lynching town to help town, it's right here, we sacrifice town for the info that comes with vengeful(town/scum wouldn't matter tbh).
now... I'm also getting annoyed with you. mind telling me the reasons you townread Shinichi, and scumread Azrael? asked that few times already.
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My level of interest in this game is disintegrating, if that hasn't been made clear. That said,
@Osi: If I had to guess, I'd say Shinichi/Azrael/Tom with an outside chance of Iso or lastwhisper, but I've tempered a lot on last. Azrael's recent effort level does seem a bit above and beyond if he's scum.
I'm sure there are other questions for me, so I'll look for those now.
Got the prod, I'm just kind of waiting for Az to finish his work out of respect, but I don't really see myself lynching anyone else today.
Still kinda think last is scum; voting Dawning (basically confirmed town) and the BP loss ability hasn't occurred since he's been using the BP give ability. And his actions/AB decisions don't makes sense from town.
LastWhisper is confirmed not mafia because the mafia tried to kill me last night and LastWhisper gave me the 1 BP to keep me alive, thwarting the kill.
It's baffling to me how Az thinks that the scum would let him suicide at this point rather than try to waste as many Days as possible lynching him when they can use their ally/betray swap ability on him every time...?
I'm also somewhat baffled that Az actually took a step back from me, because that's another indicator that my scum read on Az may be ill-founded. It would be the easiest thing in the world for scumAz to just keep fruitlessly pushing his Iso read, even if he recognized it had 0 traction at this point.
To elaborate on your earlier issue with me, Az, Hearthstone was a fabulous game for me because you guys got the slam dunk Eco read + pressure immediately. I was able to play off of that and capitalize on the momentum of the game, which was also a lot smaller than this game, with fewer spammy, chaff posts and everyone posting a lot more content. The difference between the way these two games have unfolded is night and day, and my involvement as such is, as well. This is the discrepancy you keep believing you are seeing.
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@dawn: I don't understand your obsession with pairing Az and myself as a dichotomy.
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Y'know what?
Let's lynch tom.
Rofl, looks like this is the sentiment that took over the thread as I was reading along.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My character is: Sigma My role name is: Tracker My starting BP: 3
My 1st ability is called: Bionic Eye Its BP cost is: 2 It has a BP threshold requirement of: None What it does: Find out who a target player targeted this night. If someone targets multiple people, I get the full list of names, but if someone targets the same person twice in one night, that person's name is listed only once.
My 2nd ability (if I have one) is called: None Its BP cost is: It has a BP threshold requirement of: What it does:
My 3rd ability is called: None Its BP cost is: It has a BP threshold requirement of: What it does:
NIGHT 1 The ability I used: Bionic Eye Who I used it on: Phoenix-Fire My result was: Phoenix-Fire visited D_V
For AB, I was partnered with: Tom My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Ally My result was: Gained 1 BP My BP at the end of the night: 2
NIGHT 2 The ability I used: None Who I used it on: My result was:
For AB, I was partnered with: Azrael My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Betray My result was: Lose 1 BP My BP at the end of the night: 1
NIGHT 3 The ability I used: None Who I used it on: My result was:
For AB, I was partnered with: Tom My AB choice: Betray Their AB choice: Ally My result was: Someone interfered and swapped out choices. I lost 1 BP. I also gained 1 BP from LastWhisper. My BP at the end of the night: 1
My character is: Sean "I can't run... I can't leave them behind, sorry"
My role name is: Town BP Giver
My starting BP: 3
My 1st ability is called: Access the System
Its BP cost is: (1)
It has a BP threshold requirement of: Does not apply
What it does: Gives 1 BP player of my choice
NIGHT 1 (did not use my ability)
For AB, I was partnered with: Shin
My AB choice: Betray
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +3 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 6 BP
NIGHT 2
The ability I used: Access the System
Who I used it on: Iso
My result was: Gave Iso 1 Bp
For AB, I was partnered with: Grr
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: Ally/Ally
My BP at the end of the night: 6
NIGHT 3
The ability I used: Access the System
Who I used it on: Jenna
My result was: Saved his life, he is now at 1 BP again
For AB, I was partnered with: Shin
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: Ally/Ally
My BP at the end of the night: 6 Still
@Jenna
It's baffling to me how Az thinks that the scum would let him suicide at this point rather than try to waste as many Days as possible lynching him when they can use their ally/betray swap ability on him every time...?
I'm aware it's a possibility, but A) they might run of resources to do it, B) they might get caught doing that C) better me, than someone they could kill by using that ability, and D) hopefully it's Tom and that won't be an issue?
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I'm also somewhat baffled that Az actually took a step back from me, because that's another indicator that my scum read on Az may be ill-founded. It would be the easiest thing in the world for scumAz to just keep fruitlessly pushing his Iso read, even if he recognized it had 0 traction at this point.
To elaborate on your earlier issue with me, Az, Hearthstone was a fabulous game for me because you guys got the slam dunk Eco read + pressure immediately. I was able to play off of that and capitalize on the momentum of the game, which was also a lot smaller than this game, with fewer spammy, chaff posts and everyone posting a lot more content. The difference between the way these two games have unfolded is night and day, and my involvement as such is, as well. This is the discrepancy you keep believing you are seeing.
Mmm, k.
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I'm thinking tom/Shinichi/one of Phoenix/osi.
Why Shin? I know why I rejected my own case against him, what's yours?
My character is: Diana My role name is: Town Doctor My starting BP: 3
My 1st ability is called: Medical Training Its BP cost is: 2 It has a BP threshold requirement of: N/A What it does: Protects a player from a single kill attempt.
My 2nd ability (if I have one) is called: Its BP cost is: It has a BP threshold requirement of: What it does:
My 3rd ability is called: Its BP cost is: It has a BP threshold requirement of: What it does:
NIGHT 1 The ability I used: None Who I used it on: My result was:
For AB, I was partnered with: Iso My AB choice: Betray Their AB choice: Betray My result was: My BP at the end of the night: 3
NIGHT 2 The ability I used: None Who I used it on: My result was:
For AB, I was partnered with: Jenna My AB choice: Betray Their AB choice: Ally My result was: +3 My BP at the end of the night: 6
NIGHT 3 The ability I used: Doc Who I used it on: Lngrr My result was: Success
For AB, I was partnered with: Osie My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Betray My result was: -1 My BP at the end of the night: 3
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Az, I just feel like he's being antagonistic for the sake of looking like he's doing something. He's contributed literally 0 actual content to the thread, instead choosing to engage with dawn and LW all game and make the thread an unreadable pile of crap, not actually doing anything to push the gamestate, but rather, actively lurking.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@dawn: I don't understand your obsession with pairing Az and myself as a dichotomy.
Azrael and Iso are experienced players, so there could be some sense in them clashing for this long already. I believe in killer instinct, and that town can sense it when engaging someone. both could be town but someone 'shadowing' or whiteknighting them are the scum. either way, there must be method to this madness. and I'd rather not leave a vengeful alive towards the end, in the offchance it is scum and cost us the game.
Az, I just feel like he's being antagonistic for the sake of looking like he's doing something. He's contributed literally 0 actual content to the thread, instead choosing to engage with dawn and LW all game and make the thread an unreadable pile of crap, not actually doing anything to push the gamestate, but rather, actively lurking.
nice to see someone other than me thinks the same. maybe I have a difficult time articulating my feelings here, without it being misunderstood, but I just felt like Shinichi has been very antitown so far.
My character is: Phi My role name is:Town Manipulator My starting BP: 3
My 1st ability is called: Phi Kick Its BP cost is: 4 It has a BP threshold requirement of: No threshold What it does: It allows me to target a player, which then makes my passive ability for that night effect said player.
My 2nd ability (if I have one) is called: Compassion Its BP cost is: 0 Its a passive It has a BP threshold requirement of: No Threshold What it does: The person I choose to ally will be immune to any effects that hinder or alter an action tonight
My 3rd ability is called: Distrust Its BP cost is: 0 Its a passive It has a BP threshold requirement of: None What it does: The person i choose to betray will lose their night action (This does not stop factional abilities.
NIGHT 1 The ability I used:Compassion Who I used it on: Last My result was: Refer to ability
For AB, I was partnered with: Last My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Betray My result was: Loast 1 bp My BP at the end of the night: 2
NIGHT 2 The ability I used: Compassion Who I used it on: Dawn My result was: See ability
For AB, I was partnered with: Dawn My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Ally My result was: Gained 1 bp My BP at the end of the night: 3
NIGHT 3 The ability I used: Compassion Who I used it on: Last My result was: See ability
For AB, I was partnered with: Last My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Ally My result was: Gained 1 bp My BP at the end of the night: 4
@Shinichi
what is so bad about using a tool? it's like you say that softclaims are bad just because. actions vary from person to person. reason and motives should matter more to you, because it is the way to look into someone's mindset. why didn't you look for the reason instead of jumping to conclusions? feels like you weren't gamesolving there. would like to know why. oh, and no fighting~
@lastwhisper
chill. I feel like a teacher talking to you tbh.
1. we flip vengefultown!Iso who takes out possibletown!Azrael. we go into next phase with 2 players less to worry about. better night actions and we can lynch, next phase, with 2 times more info.
2. if we flip Azrael and he's town, townreads get NK'd in between, and we might wanna lynch Iso to be on the safe side - which could waste a lynch and cost us another NK. besides the fact we should activate vengeful to take out potential scum...eventually. we end up with net more townies dead then if we flipped Iso in the first place, and don't have the freedom to lynch suspects.
end of story: better to leave Iso/Azrael alone. in the offchance that both are town(which I believe they are), lynching one means townfirming and causing the NK of the other. 2nd choice means deadlocking us into what might be a bad route. and if you wanna see my strat on lynching town to help town, it's right here, we sacrifice town for the info that comes with vengeful(town/scum wouldn't matter tbh).
now... I'm also getting annoyed with you. mind telling me the reasons you townread Shinichi, and scumread Azrael? asked that few times already.
Again why lynch a town to shoot someone else that may flip town? Just to clear 2 problem children? The tool is scummy, its something scum can hide against town don't hgave a reason not to soft claim all they need to do is not claim lmfao.
My level of interest in this game is disintegrating, if that hasn't been made clear. That said,
@Osi: If I had to guess, I'd say Shinichi/Azrael/Tom with an outside chance of Iso or lastwhisper, but I've tempered a lot on last. Azrael's recent effort level does seem a bit above and beyond if he's scum.
I'm sure there are other questions for me, so I'll look for those now.
Why does his effort mean he can't be scum? That doesnt make sens, espically since hes on the chopping block he has to put in effort.
I just had a revelation, if the BP taker is real, that means he doesnt want Iso to reach his threshold, and lets say that the A/B game swap is another one of his abilities, I am pretty confident in the fact that it is..., then that means that one of the mafia is one of the unclaimed...
I mean as far as we know it hasn't... And secondly didn't the BP loss happen on a day I gave BP??? So u think I can do both at once? And what about my A/B decisions confuse u?
Unless someone didn't own up to it, then no, it only happened once.
That said, Jenna is right, I forgot that you saved her life; which probably makes you town -_-
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So Azreal came in here and put down a lot of words and that somehow makes him town? He's literally claimed doctor when we have an actual Doctor dead on the ground!
On top of that, his t/s list is basically him townreading everyone except tom. Look at it. He's not even scum reading me, he just thinks "He's a good lynch if you don't believe his claim." He's not even saying he doesn't believe my claim, it's completely putting blame and shade on my eventual flip on anyone else. And this is all from someone who says he thinks there are 5 scum (or 4 scum and an anti town neutral), yet with only one scum dead on the floor he has only 2 (really just 1) people who he thinks could be scum? Give me a break. He's weaseling his way out of the lynch that he knows will find him tomorrow after he doesn't suicide; which he will never do, I don't buy that for a minute.
Don't buy into this crap, there is no way he's town. None.
@Jenna
It's baffling to me how Az thinks that the scum would let him suicide at this point rather than try to waste as many Days as possible lynching him when they can use their ally/betray swap ability on him every time...?
I'm aware it's a possibility, but A) they might run of resources to do it, B) they might get caught doing that C) better me, than someone they could kill by using that ability, and D) hopefully it's Tom and that won't be an issue?
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I'm also somewhat baffled that Az actually took a step back from me, because that's another indicator that my scum read on Az may be ill-founded. It would be the easiest thing in the world for scumAz to just keep fruitlessly pushing his Iso read, even if he recognized it had 0 traction at this point.
To elaborate on your earlier issue with me, Az, Hearthstone was a fabulous game for me because you guys got the slam dunk Eco read + pressure immediately. I was able to play off of that and capitalize on the momentum of the game, which was also a lot smaller than this game, with fewer spammy, chaff posts and everyone posting a lot more content. The difference between the way these two games have unfolded is night and day, and my involvement as such is, as well. This is the discrepancy you keep believing you are seeing.
Mmm, k.
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I'm thinking tom/Shinichi/one of Phoenix/osi.
Why Shin? I know why I rejected my own case against him, what's yours?
My character is: Diana My role name is: Town Doctor My starting BP: 3
My 1st ability is called: Medical Training Its BP cost is: 2 It has a BP threshold requirement of: N/A What it does: Protects a player from a single kill attempt.
My 2nd ability (if I have one) is called: Its BP cost is: It has a BP threshold requirement of: What it does:
My 3rd ability is called: Its BP cost is: It has a BP threshold requirement of: What it does:
NIGHT 1 The ability I used: None Who I used it on: My result was:
For AB, I was partnered with: Iso My AB choice: Betray Their AB choice: Betray My result was: My BP at the end of the night: 3
NIGHT 2 The ability I used: None Who I used it on: My result was:
For AB, I was partnered with: Jenna My AB choice: Betray Their AB choice: Ally My result was: +3 My BP at the end of the night: 6
NIGHT 3 The ability I used: Doc Who I used it on: Lngrr My result was: Success
For AB, I was partnered with: Osie My AB choice: Ally Their AB choice: Betray My result was: -1 My BP at the end of the night: 3
Why are there like obvious normal roles then roles that clearly arent normal -.-
Tbh I hate using claims, to mod game, but its a very strong possibility that one of the scum is part of the unclaimed players which include Tom, Cynthare, Axel(unless im mistaken, but I believe he is town)...
Actually with that, I am much more confident that one of Cynthare or Tom, are scum, or even both scum
What?
I mean, sure, but, what?
and I know I havent been posting a lot lately, but I am always reading, can't say the same for others... but I would never say I'm far behind.
I feel as a lot of people just feel under the radar and are just going with the flow.
1. Iso (obviously not going to push him for this, if you dont know why, then you arent reading the thread)
2. Phoenix (Spent all of last day defending himself, then when the tides were calm, he vanished into the night)
3. Cythare (not much of anything from him, gunna post more about him in my answer to Osie's question tho)
4. Tom (Where do I even start?) Manages to make a post right before every phase change, and it conveniently absent from every hammer...
@Phraze
I implore you to step away from this Shin vs You debate, and focus on someone else that can be scum (like I said, I believe he is either town, or tpr), because I know that you believe Azrael is town...
my thoughts on Tom: lynch material.
Be grateful, always."
The invisible zucchini lasagna flying around your driveway demands sacrifice.
Eat a piece of pizza to continue.
Anyways, your reasoning seems lacking.
and we can wait for Iso's vengeful to be activated to resolve Iso/Azrael at once. hmmmm I'm not sure if it's better to activate/verify the vengeful's alignment and sacrifice town with it, or just choose to wipe out Azrael and, if he flips town, try to lynch Iso. which decision has more losses?
Be grateful, always."
and I cant fully agree that there would be no loss in lynching Shin, I still think he has a chance of flipping town lol
and again Azrael wants to kill himself tonight... so again we should allow him to do that...
I even town read her now and I still cant escape her wraith/conspiracy theories
I was wrong about there not being a dictohomy is what i was referring to lol.What one angle are u talking about? You act like people are only reading azreal based on yesterday EOD lmfao which is far from the truth. Like honestly idk what your trying to get at with this first paragraph, i've lost because of a scum neighborizer before so i understand painfully that a role can be either alignment. We aren't talking about that though, we're talking about the assumption that if there is multitudes of a role that 1 has to be scum.
Again my hand was forced because you tried to soft claim and then expected town to just shutup,leavig you be. If 1 person is known to be scum why risk a mislynch I don't understand.
if Azrael flips town then we can see he has sense in scumreading Iso.
Iso's vengeful will help when we lynch him, less players to sort out. nothing guarantees his alignment, and its best to activate his ability before LyLo so we don't step on the landmine of "he was scum afterall" insta-lose. no cop to check him. suggest we lynch Iso and he takes out Azrael.
mind telling me why you think Shinichi is town? how was him putting you at L2 townish? why would he focus so much on me and Azrael without other options?
don't agree with Azrael self-kill, since I can try RB another kill.
Be grateful, always."
Players with "R" in their name: (this isnt going to be beautifully detailed
Axel
For now he his town, if I need to look over him later I will, but he is probably my highest town lean atm
Azrael
Tbh, the only reason I even scum read him is because of his claim, and his defense of Kaba, but overall, he has provided great insight on the players of this game, which is probably the only reason I never hammered him... plus he says hes gunna kill himself over night... lol
Cynthare
Not much to say, hasnt done much, in and out of this game. I could ISO him, but I wouldnt find much. Like a lot of the bigger lurkers, seems to be ok with the flow of the game, when even the most vocal speakers are still on and off about who they want to lynch this phase...
Phraze (Dawn)
I want to believe she is town, but everything is still up in the air at this point
Didnt realize how many players have "R" in their name...
Tom
You know my opinion on him, even if you think its *****
Grr
Flavor wise, I think he is town (but he still can be scum)
Jenna
I hated his claim so much...but I think everything he does comes from a town mindset
Phoenix
you know how I feel about him also... wants me lynched, hasnt dont much to prove hes town, and comes in only to state his distaste for me
Not much detail her, its just a rough one setence statement about all these players from my head, if you want more detail on any of them, I'll be happy to back read tomorrow since I am off from work
I aint tpr, i am town manipulative I dont know how many times i gotta spell that out lmfao
Confused at why lol?
No reason too, its just a stall at this point.
Why even bother using the bp taker ability if he was only going to use it once, why even out that hes the bp giver and give people bp?
Thank you, thats whats bothering me if shes town then why does she feel the need to use everything shes done as a way to push her own agenda. Its like because I dont have a role that can prove itself I have to be scum.
I dont see the point to this question, regardless of the answer is still wine.
Wtf you mean IF? To feign ignorance here like u dont know we're actual bros, what purpose other than being scum would you have to lie about that. Its not about your valid reasons its the fact that you would rather pressure another person than push the person that is most certainly scum.
If I have the time to make one sure, but for now no. Cheesecake <3
I need to read azreal post on iso and other posts by azreal these posts might be the deciding factor on how i read him.
everyone has their way of playing. just because someone softclaims doesn't mean they're scum. look into the motive behind an action, before the action. you insist there is a right and wrong way to play a game, but there are many mindsets and views towards an approach. learn to respect differences, okay? the most I go is softclaiming, and I hate having to fullclaim, that is NAI coming from me, but you WIFOM it into a scumtell - that, my friend, is what makes you a scumlean. it's just blindingly obvious that you've been anti-town, and I would love to think otherwise.
if you felt forced in any way, it's because you are forcing your own version of rights and wrongs onto others. reflect on that and change.
Be grateful, always."
Again I aint tpr, and if I was at this point I would have told you if I was. The fact that I town read you should be good enough for you to think hey maybe shin is starting to pick up on something. Also unless you think I was tpr killing then why would u bother voting me or someone that could be sum. If hes scum doc why the hell would it even matter.
Also again we lose alot more lynching a vengeful if its town, why sacrifice a town just so he could kill scum? Why not just lynch the person that could be scum.
Ok cool doesnt change the fact that I only see scum benefitting from soft claiming, its no offense to how you play or how others play but to me thats just another tool scum can hide behind. Doesnt matter ifs a newbie, a friend, or a pro player I hate tools that scum can hide behind. Its not even wifom though, because that would imply there being some instances where I am ok with soft claiming, which there arent.
Im not forcing anything, I scum read soft claims how you deal with that is your choice and your choice only I have no control over how u handle it.
There is no reason for Phraze to town read you, just because you slightly town read her now...
Also again we lose alot more lynching a vengeful if its town, why sacrifice a town just so he could kill scum? Why not just lynch the person that could be scum. this is a ******* lie b/c unless ur gunna say you handle this situation differently when you are the vengeful...
you two are giving me reasons to want one of you lynched again, and I am so done with this...
Give me your real ******* PoE and be done with this nonsense...
She should have plenty of reason to town read me, but she keeps getting hung up by my role.
Overrall most of those posts when you relook at them seem iffy af, ill say this if your town hes scum and vise versa.
will try latereh. ive done it but in general id rather just post
you have someone in mind?sorry what?
i was absent from literally one lynch when we majjed grapefruit while i was working. and i was scumreading him so
what is so bad about using a tool? it's like you say that softclaims are bad just because. actions vary from person to person. reason and motives should matter more to you, because it is the way to look into someone's mindset. why didn't you look for the reason instead of jumping to conclusions? feels like you weren't gamesolving there. would like to know why. oh, and no fighting~
@lastwhisper
chill. I feel like a teacher talking to you tbh.
1. we flip vengefultown!Iso who takes out possibletown!Azrael. we go into next phase with 2 players less to worry about. better night actions and we can lynch, next phase, with 2 times more info.
2. if we flip Azrael and he's town, townreads get NK'd in between, and we might wanna lynch Iso to be on the safe side - which could waste a lynch and cost us another NK. besides the fact we should activate vengeful to take out potential scum...eventually. we end up with net more townies dead then if we flipped Iso in the first place, and don't have the freedom to lynch suspects.
end of story: better to leave Iso/Azrael alone. in the offchance that both are town(which I believe they are), lynching one means townfirming and causing the NK of the other. 2nd choice means deadlocking us into what might be a bad route. and if you wanna see my strat on lynching town to help town, it's right here, we sacrifice town for the info that comes with vengeful(town/scum wouldn't matter tbh).
now... I'm also getting annoyed with you. mind telling me the reasons you townread Shinichi, and scumread Azrael? asked that few times already.
Be grateful, always."
i think that means you always lynch iso in final 3/4 and if hes town he gets a shot to win
which is fun
@Osi: If I had to guess, I'd say Shinichi/Azrael/Tom with an outside chance of Iso or lastwhisper, but I've tempered a lot on last. Azrael's recent effort level does seem a bit above and beyond if he's scum.
I'm sure there are other questions for me, so I'll look for those now.
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It's baffling to me how Az thinks that the scum would let him suicide at this point rather than try to waste as many Days as possible lynching him when they can use their ally/betray swap ability on him every time...?
I'm also somewhat baffled that Az actually took a step back from me, because that's another indicator that my scum read on Az may be ill-founded. It would be the easiest thing in the world for scumAz to just keep fruitlessly pushing his Iso read, even if he recognized it had 0 traction at this point.
To elaborate on your earlier issue with me, Az, Hearthstone was a fabulous game for me because you guys got the slam dunk Eco read + pressure immediately. I was able to play off of that and capitalize on the momentum of the game, which was also a lot smaller than this game, with fewer spammy, chaff posts and everyone posting a lot more content. The difference between the way these two games have unfolded is night and day, and my involvement as such is, as well. This is the discrepancy you keep believing you are seeing.
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@dawn: I don't understand your obsession with pairing Az and myself as a dichotomy.
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Y'know what?
Let's lynch tom.
Rofl, looks like this is the sentiment that took over the thread as I was reading along.
Unvote, Vote tomsloger
I'm trying to have a paradigm shift, here.
I'm thinking tom/Shinichi/one of Phoenix/osi.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Copy and paste this form:
My character is:
My role name is:
My starting BP:
My 1st ability is called:
Its BP cost is:
It has a BP threshold requirement of:
What it does:
My 2nd ability (if I have one) is called:
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NIGHT 1
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NIGHT 2
The ability I used:
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NIGHT 3
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My role name is: Tracker
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My 1st ability is called: Bionic Eye
Its BP cost is: 2
It has a BP threshold requirement of: None
What it does: Find out who a target player targeted this night. If someone targets multiple people, I get the full list of names, but if someone targets the same person twice in one night, that person's name is listed only once.
My 2nd ability (if I have one) is called: None
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NIGHT 1
The ability I used: Bionic Eye
Who I used it on: Phoenix-Fire
My result was: Phoenix-Fire visited D_V
For AB, I was partnered with: Tom
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: Gained 1 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 2
NIGHT 2
The ability I used: None
Who I used it on:
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For AB, I was partnered with: Azrael
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Betray
My result was: Lose 1 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 1
NIGHT 3
The ability I used: None
Who I used it on:
My result was:
For AB, I was partnered with: Tom
My AB choice: Betray
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: Someone interfered and swapped out choices. I lost 1 BP. I also gained 1 BP from LastWhisper.
My BP at the end of the night: 1
My role name is: Town BP Giver
My starting BP: 3
My 1st ability is called: Access the System
Its BP cost is: (1)
It has a BP threshold requirement of: Does not apply
What it does: Gives 1 BP player of my choice
NIGHT 1 (did not use my ability)
For AB, I was partnered with: Shin
My AB choice: Betray
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +3 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 6 BP
NIGHT 2
The ability I used: Access the System
Who I used it on: Iso
My result was: Gave Iso 1 Bp
For AB, I was partnered with: Grr
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: Ally/Ally
My BP at the end of the night: 6
NIGHT 3
The ability I used: Access the System
Who I used it on: Jenna
My result was: Saved his life, he is now at 1 BP again
For AB, I was partnered with: Shin
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: Ally/Ally
My BP at the end of the night: 6 Still
I'm aware it's a possibility, but A) they might run of resources to do it, B) they might get caught doing that C) better me, than someone they could kill by using that ability, and D) hopefully it's Tom and that won't be an issue?
Mmm, k.
Why Shin? I know why I rejected my own case against him, what's yours?
My character is: Diana
My role name is: Town Doctor
My starting BP: 3
My 1st ability is called: Medical Training
Its BP cost is: 2
It has a BP threshold requirement of: N/A
What it does: Protects a player from a single kill attempt.
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What it does:
My 3rd ability is called:
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NIGHT 1
The ability I used: None
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For AB, I was partnered with: Iso
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My BP at the end of the night: 3
NIGHT 2
The ability I used: None
Who I used it on:
My result was:
For AB, I was partnered with: Jenna
My AB choice: Betray
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: +3
My BP at the end of the night: 6
NIGHT 3
The ability I used: Doc
Who I used it on: Lngrr
My result was: Success
For AB, I was partnered with: Osie
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Betray
My result was: -1
My BP at the end of the night: 3
My role name is: Town Retaliator
My starting BP: 3
My 1st ability is called: Axe Ending
Its BP cost is: 0
It has a BP threshold requirement of: 7
What it does: It kills somebody when I die.
NIGHT 1
The ability I used: N/A
My result was: I lost 1 BP from an unidentified source.
For AB, I was partnered with: Azrael
My AB choice: Betray
Their AB choice: Betray
My result was: Nothing happened.
My BP at the end of the night: 2
NIGHT 2
The ability I used: N/A
My result was: I gained 1 BP from an unidentified source (claimed by LastWhisper).
For AB, I was partnered with: Kazabame
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: We both gained 1 BP.
My BP at the end of the night: 4
NIGHT 3
The ability I used: N/A
For AB, I was partnered with: N/A
My result was: I gained 1 BP by default due to being paired with nobody.
My BP at the end of the night: 5
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
https://youtu.be/qr9PlbI3MYo
I randomly found that scene on YouTube long ago, and it's what led me to play 999.
Sorry, had to gush and reminisce for a moment.
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Non-Staff Quasi-Modtomsloger (4): Azrael, Lastwhisper, osieorb18, Iso
Azrael (2): tomsloger, Shinichi
Cythare (1): dawningbluesky
Not Voting (5): Cythare, Phoenix-Fire, Axelrod, Jenna Tolaria, LnGrrrR
With 12 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. Deadline is Wednesday, December 27th at 11.59 pm EST.
nice to see someone other than me thinks the same. maybe I have a difficult time articulating my feelings here, without it being misunderstood, but I just felt like Shinichi has been very antitown so far.
Jenna is a townread, so that isn't strange. and it looks more like compiling already-said information, rather than fishing for new info.
My character is: Alice
My role name is: Town Daredevil
My starting BP: 4
My 1st ability is called: Compression
Its BP cost is: 0
It has a BP threshold requirement of: 3 or less
What it does: roleblock a player
My 2nd ability (if I have one) is called: Annihilation
Its BP cost is: 0
It has a BP threshold requirement of: 1
What it does: shoot a player
NIGHT 1
The ability I used: -
For AB, I was partnered with: Phoenix
My AB choice: ally
Their AB choice: betray
My result was: lost 1 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 3 BP
NIGHT 2
The ability I used: Compression
Who I used it on: Kabazame
My result was: successful
For AB, I was partnered with: Shinichi
My AB choice: ally
Their AB choice: ally
My result was: gained 1 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 4 BP
NIGHT 3
The ability I used: -
For AB, I was partnered with: Axelrod
My AB choice: ally
Their AB choice: betray
My result was: lost 1 BP
My BP at the end of the night: 3 BP
Be grateful, always."
at least this is something I can agree on.
Be grateful, always."
My role name is:Town Manipulator
My starting BP: 3
My 1st ability is called: Phi Kick
Its BP cost is: 4
It has a BP threshold requirement of: No threshold
What it does: It allows me to target a player, which then makes my passive ability for that night effect said player.
My 2nd ability (if I have one) is called: Compassion
Its BP cost is: 0 Its a passive
It has a BP threshold requirement of: No Threshold
What it does: The person I choose to ally will be immune to any effects that hinder or alter an action tonight
My 3rd ability is called: Distrust
Its BP cost is: 0 Its a passive
It has a BP threshold requirement of: None
What it does: The person i choose to betray will lose their night action (This does not stop factional abilities.
NIGHT 1
The ability I used:Compassion
Who I used it on: Last
My result was: Refer to ability
For AB, I was partnered with: Last
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Betray
My result was: Loast 1 bp
My BP at the end of the night: 2
NIGHT 2
The ability I used: Compassion
Who I used it on: Dawn
My result was: See ability
For AB, I was partnered with: Dawn
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: Gained 1 bp
My BP at the end of the night: 3
NIGHT 3
The ability I used: Compassion
Who I used it on: Last
My result was: See ability
For AB, I was partnered with: Last
My AB choice: Ally
Their AB choice: Ally
My result was: Gained 1 bp
My BP at the end of the night: 4
Again why lynch a town to shoot someone else that may flip town? Just to clear 2 problem children? The tool is scummy, its something scum can hide against town don't hgave a reason not to soft claim all they need to do is not claim lmfao.
Why does his effort mean he can't be scum? That doesnt make sens, espically since hes on the chopping block he has to put in effort.
That said, Jenna is right, I forgot that you saved her life; which probably makes you town -_-
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So Azreal came in here and put down a lot of words and that somehow makes him town?
He's literally claimed doctor when we have an actual Doctor dead on the ground!
On top of that, his t/s list is basically him townreading everyone except tom. Look at it. He's not even scum reading me, he just thinks "He's a good lynch if you don't believe his claim." He's not even saying he doesn't believe my claim, it's completely putting blame and shade on my eventual flip on anyone else. And this is all from someone who says he thinks there are 5 scum (or 4 scum and an anti town neutral), yet with only one scum dead on the floor he has only 2 (really just 1) people who he thinks could be scum? Give me a break. He's weaseling his way out of the lynch that he knows will find him tomorrow after he doesn't suicide; which he will never do, I don't buy that for a minute.
Don't buy into this crap, there is no way he's town. None.
Vote Azreal
Why are there like obvious normal roles then roles that clearly arent normal -.-
Actually with that, I am much more confident that one of Cynthare or Tom, are scum, or even both scum