Also he's more than willing to vote me, he is voting me.
okay... what do you think of Iso's claim - is it possible for town to have 2 killing roles?
just for the record, your claim is significantly more scummy than ISO's so if we are going to be making assumptions that they both can't be town, I pick you for scum.
Given the posters we have that remain active/declared stances, I think the only path to an actual scum lynch we have is if me, DBs, DV, and real stink vote for Iso.
If Axel changes his mind about voting grape, we would need so.ething like Adel, Jenna and Terry to switch onto iso. Whisk that Jenna switch can be counted on.
Terry, you are kind of in a kingmaker position as to those two, if no one else comes out of the woodwork very soon.
Also he's more than willing to vote me, he is voting me.
okay... what do you think of Iso's claim - is it possible for town to have 2 killing roles?
just for the record, your claim is significantly more scummy than ISO's so if we are going to be making assumptions that they both can't be town, I pick you for scum.
Also he's more than willing to vote me, he is voting me.
okay... what do you think of Iso's claim - is it possible for town to have 2 killing roles?
just for the record, your claim is significantly more scummy than ISO's so if we are going to be making assumptions that they both can't be town, I pick you for scum.
I'm having a hard time staying awake for the end of this game day, and real life day for that matter. I'll set an alarm for 15 minutes prior to the end of day. Goodnight.
Also he's more than willing to vote me, he is voting me.
okay... what do you think of Iso's claim - is it possible for town to have 2 killing roles?
In a game this size a find it plausible especially given the restrictions you both have claimed.
which is more believable?
1. activating a passive kill for 7 BP
2. activating a targeting kill at 1 BP threshold
if we fakeclaimed, which is more likely?
1. passive could be a strongman shot for mafia.
2. there's no other charger roles beside me (probably). could mean I'm town or neutral. (mafia having a scummy overpowered role is...too much lol)
3. any other scenarios I could be mafia?
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Ok, Jenna is here, which is good. But votecount on which my assessment was based, is flawed. Ithink grape is only feasible lynch now, given who remains awake. I'm and iso both gone, and most of the rest are AWOL, and we'll be struggling to put together three additional votes.
Shin, jenna, axel, and terry are the keys I think.
just for the record, your claim is significantly more scummy than ISO's so if we are going to be making assumptions that they both can't be town, I pick you for scum.
what if we're town/tpr instead? I'm kinda worried about that.
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Honestly I rather Lynch Iso at this point just to confirm the existance of said killing role, and if he lied about the cost of his vengeful kill atleast Iso could technically kill someone else.
Iso over Grapefruit is not a hard choice for me to make.
On the other hand, I do not want a no lynch, not after this complete beast of a day, and would probably vote my own mother to avoid that.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
tell me what advantage mafia would have to hint a 2nd ability and, when forced, claim roleblocker which is infamous to be either alignment?
The rest of the claims clearly show case multiple abilities do they not?
Last is clearly hiding something.
Sure the rest havent posted everything about their abilities.
you were surprised when I mentioned a 2nd ability, proof that you only have 1 ability. Osie/LnG/Last/Iso all mentioned only 1 ability. I'm the only one who said I have 2 abilities and claimed what they were.
Last isn't the only one hiding something, if you are trying to establish the fact.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
tell me what advantage mafia would have to hint a 2nd ability and, when forced, claim roleblocker which is infamous to be either alignment?
The rest of the claims clearly show case multiple abilities do they not?
Last is clearly hiding something.
Sure the rest havent posted everything about their abilities.
you were surprised when I mentioned a 2nd ability, proof that you only have 1 ability. Osie/LnG/Last/Iso all mentioned only 1 ability. I'm the only one who said I have 2 abilities and claimed what they were.
Last isn't the only one hiding something, if you are trying to establish the fact.
i didnt hide anything about my role except maybe the flavor text? do you all want that too? jeez
1) Grapefruit, who I haven't seen be particularly scummy myself, but AZ made some good points in that case he recently did. However, he's refusing to claim, which I find town in a way. I feel like scum use their claims as a crutch.
2) ISO, who has claimed vengeful town needing 7 BP to go off. He'll never get thete. However I think he town slipped when he botched his cc and retracted it. The only way I will lunch him is if there is no other choice.
3) LW, the vig role blocker who I pinned as scum from the start of the day and completely botched his claim, contradicted himself over and over, blatant buddying with DBS and Jenna, who has proven to be distracting, inefficient at scum hunting, parroting votes, used his claim as a crutch, jumped the gun on his claim, didn't read or understand his role at best, made it up at worst.
tell me what advantage mafia would have to hint a 2nd ability and, when forced, claim roleblocker which is infamous to be either alignment?
The rest of the claims clearly show case multiple abilities do they not?
Last is clearly hiding something.
Sure the rest havent posted everything about their abilities.
you were surprised when I mentioned a 2nd ability, proof that you only have 1 ability. Osie/LnG/Last/Iso all mentioned only 1 ability. I'm the only one who said I have 2 abilities and claimed what they were.
Last isn't the only one hiding something, if you are trying to establish the fact.
1) Grapefruit, who I haven't seen be particularly scummy myself, but AZ made some good points in that case he recently did. However, he's refusing to claim, which I find town in a way. I feel like scum use their claims as a crutch.
2) ISO, who has claimed vengeful town needing 7 BP to go off. He'll never get thete. However I think he town slipped when he botched his cc and retracted it. The only way I will lunch him is if there is no other choice.
3) LW, the vig role blocker who I pinned as scum from the start of the day and completely botched his claim, contradicted himself over and over, blatant buddying with DBS and Jenna, who has proven to be distracting, inefficient at scum hunting, parroting votes, used his claim as a crutch, jumped the gun on his claim, didn't read or understand his role at best, made it up at worst.
1. I've refused to claim as scum before: 1 time was because I was vengeful. 1 time because the setup was a no-reveal. 2 out of 3 times I didn't claim before a lynch. of course, I didn't have to claim the 3rd time since I wasn't near being lynched.
2. I'm starting to think Iso could be tpr. would explain his 'wet noodle' behavior.
3. I was the one who claimed vig + rb lol. Last only claimed Town BP Giver.
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tell me what advantage mafia would have to hint a 2nd ability and, when forced, claim roleblocker which is infamous to be either alignment?
The rest of the claims clearly show case multiple abilities do they not?
Last is clearly hiding something.
Sure the rest havent posted everything about their abilities.
you were surprised when I mentioned a 2nd ability, proof that you only have 1 ability. Osie/LnG/Last/Iso all mentioned only 1 ability. I'm the only one who said I have 2 abilities and claimed what they were.
Last isn't the only one hiding something, if you are trying to establish the fact.
I have more than 1 ability just saying.
ehh ok. you can't expect Last to claim when you haven't done so yourself -.-
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3) LW, the vig role blocker who I pinned as scum from the start of the day and completely botched his claim, contradicted himself over and over, blatant buddying with DBS and Jenna, who has proven to be distracting, inefficient at scum hunting, parroting votes, used his claim as a crutch, jumped the gun on his claim, didn't read or understand his role at best, made it up at worst.
Sry, Terry, you are talking about DBS here, not LW
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
3) LW, the vig role blocker who I pinned as scum from the start of the day and completely botched his claim, contradicted himself over and over, blatant buddying with DBS and Jenna, who has proven to be distracting, inefficient at scum hunting, parroting votes, used his claim as a crutch, jumped the gun on his claim, didn't read or understand his role at best, made it up at worst.
Sry, Terry, you are talking about DBS here, not LW
I think it's mixed up. Last is the one parroting votes(?) only recognize the claim mess. then again, he is clearing someone who counterclaimed a claimed vig. lol
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
1) Grapefruit, who I haven't seen be particularly scummy myself, but AZ made some good points in that case he recently did. However, he's refusing to claim, which I find town in a way. I feel like scum use their claims as a crutch.
2) ISO, who has claimed vengeful town needing 7 BP to go off. He'll never get thete. However I think he town slipped when he botched his cc and retracted it. The only way I will lunch him is if there is no other choice.
3) LW, the vig role blocker who I pinned as scum from the start of the day and completely botched his claim, contradicted himself over and over, blatant buddying with DBS and Jenna, who has proven to be distracting, inefficient at scum hunting, parroting votes, used his claim as a crutch, jumped the gun on his claim, didn't read or understand his role at best, made it up at worst.
1. I've refused to claim as scum before: 1 time was because I was vengeful. 1 time because the setup was a no-reveal. 2 out of 3 times I didn't claim before a lynch. of course, I didn't have to claim the 3rd time since I wasn't near being lynched.
2. I'm starting to think Iso could be tpr. would explain his 'wet noodle' behavior.
3. I was the one who claimed vig + rb lol. Last only claimed Town BP Giver.
honestly if your town an refuse to claim in a no reveal setup ur hands down game throwing lmfaoo.
2. I have reasons to believe you or wisp could be tpr as well.
3.Ur role still seems to strong compared to the rest to be town alone.
Also, I would like to go to sleep now. Does this have to go until actual midnight? Is that just the way it is?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
tell me what advantage mafia would have to hint a 2nd ability and, when forced, claim roleblocker which is infamous to be either alignment?
The rest of the claims clearly show case multiple abilities do they not?
Last is clearly hiding something.
Sure the rest havent posted everything about their abilities.
you were surprised when I mentioned a 2nd ability, proof that you only have 1 ability. Osie/LnG/Last/Iso all mentioned only 1 ability. I'm the only one who said I have 2 abilities and claimed what they were.
Last isn't the only one hiding something, if you are trying to establish the fact.
I have more than 1 ability just saying.
ehh ok. you can't expect Last to claim when you haven't done so yourself -.-
Why would i randomly claim an hour before EOD? THat would just cause unnecessary confusion.
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Grapefruit21 (6): D_V, dawningbluesky, Azrael, Iso, osieorb18, Lastwhisper
Iso (5): tomsloger, Jenna Tolaria, killjoy, Axelrod, Grapefruit21
Lastwhisper (4): Phoenix-Fire, LnGrrrR, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Kabazame
Not Voting (2): Megiddo, Shinichi
With 17 alive, it’s 9 to lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, November 7th at 11.59 pm EST (two hours).
Be grateful, always."
can you tell me why you're voting Iso? it also looks like he's willing to vote you...??
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Wisp wagon was stalled, jenna CFD didn't take, so voting Iso to self pres.
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In a game this size a find it plausible especially given the restrictions you both have claimed.
If Axel changes his mind about voting grape, we would need so.ething like Adel, Jenna and Terry to switch onto iso. Whisk that Jenna switch can be counted on.
Terry, you are kind of in a kingmaker position as to those two, if no one else comes out of the woodwork very soon.
which is more believable?
1. activating a passive kill for 7 BP
2. activating a targeting kill at 1 BP threshold
if we fakeclaimed, which is more likely?
1. passive could be a strongman shot for mafia.
2. there's no other charger roles beside me (probably). could mean I'm town or neutral. (mafia having a scummy overpowered role is...too much lol)
3. any other scenarios I could be mafia?
Be grateful, always."
Shin, jenna, axel, and terry are the keys I think.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
The rest of the claims clearly show case multiple abilities do they not?
Last is clearly hiding something.
Sure the rest havent posted everything about their abilities.
On the other hand, I do not want a no lynch, not after this complete beast of a day, and would probably vote my own mother to avoid that.
May change it not sure yet
Last isn't the only one hiding something, if you are trying to establish the fact.
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Shin, I only claimed 1 ability.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
1) Grapefruit, who I haven't seen be particularly scummy myself, but AZ made some good points in that case he recently did. However, he's refusing to claim, which I find town in a way. I feel like scum use their claims as a crutch.
2) ISO, who has claimed vengeful town needing 7 BP to go off. He'll never get thete. However I think he town slipped when he botched his cc and retracted it. The only way I will lunch him is if there is no other choice.
3) LW, the vig role blocker who I pinned as scum from the start of the day and completely botched his claim, contradicted himself over and over, blatant buddying with DBS and Jenna, who has proven to be distracting, inefficient at scum hunting, parroting votes, used his claim as a crutch, jumped the gun on his claim, didn't read or understand his role at best, made it up at worst.
I have more than 1 ability just saying.
1. I've refused to claim as scum before: 1 time was because I was vengeful. 1 time because the setup was a no-reveal. 2 out of 3 times I didn't claim before a lynch. of course, I didn't have to claim the 3rd time since I wasn't near being lynched.
2. I'm starting to think Iso could be tpr. would explain his 'wet noodle' behavior.
3. I was the one who claimed vig + rb lol. Last only claimed Town BP Giver.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Sry, Terry, you are talking about DBS here, not LW
Be grateful, always."
Grapefruit21 (6): D_V, dawningbluesky, Azrael, Iso, osieorb18, Lastwhisper
Iso (6): tomsloger, Jenna Tolaria, killjoy, Axelrod, Grapefruit21, Shinichi
Lastwhisper (4): Phoenix-Fire, LnGrrrR, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Kabazame
Not Voting (1): Megiddo
With 17 alive, it’s 9 to lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, November 7th at 11.59 pm EST (an hour).
Won't vote Jenna or lw today.
Be grateful, always."
honestly if your town an refuse to claim in a no reveal setup ur hands down game throwing lmfaoo.
2. I have reasons to believe you or wisp could be tpr as well.
3.Ur role still seems to strong compared to the rest to be town alone.
Why would i randomly claim an hour before EOD? THat would just cause unnecessary confusion.