you can think of such a possibility right away. then why did you unvote me when I claimed vig?
Because Vig and donating BP are very different roles. Seems obvious to me.
donating BP sounds as scummy as roleblocker. I don't think the scumteam will have such a role on their list.
What does that have anything to do with anything?
His role isn't town clearing, it's not inherently scummy or townie, and it's not as crucial to town as a vig is. Plus he's been openly scummy. And breadcrumbing such a role suggests that he might have been intending to use it to earn town points. But that last part is speculation.
WHy does that role have to be town? Mafia would benefit from moving BP around secretly as well.
you can think of such a possibility right away. then why did you unvote me when I claimed vig?
Because Vig and donating BP are very different roles. Seems obvious to me.
donating BP sounds as scummy as roleblocker. I don't think the scumteam will have such a role on their list.
First of all scum normally have 1-2 town clearing roles through name alone, while the rest normally are scummy by name alone. No ones gonna give scum all town clearing roles unless it fits with the flavor or the game itself.
if Last was scum with a scummy role, why would his wagon build up to the point he has to claim? I don't think the scumteam would've allowed such a stunt to go through.
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no this is ur attempt to still get me lynched when my role is obvious town aligned. And I didn't lie about *****... Actually I haven't lied at all this entire ******* game...
Obviously? Do Tell?
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I feel like whateverr you don't like you just deem it a scum tell lmfao, Does your role now have town in it? If so maybe ur tpr or scum.
nope. you said it yourself. my fullclaim was [Alice - Town Daredevil] so yeah, it has town in it.
you though, said it's possible all roles have TOWN in it. only those who aren't town will know if their role has TOWN in it.
@iso does ur role have town in it?
@lngrr does ur role have town in it?
Since u want to get smart about it i will literally prove it lol.
Also what do you mean only those who arent town will know if their role has town in it?
if Last was scum with a scummy role, why would his wagon build up to the point he has to claim? I don't think the scumteam would've allowed such a stunt to go through.
Because scum aren't all powerful? You've been accusing me of being scum all game while commenting on how useless I've been. And most people who think I'm scum think I'm scum with Iso and that wagon built up to l-2. This is bad logic because it is assuming scum competence and town incompetence.
you can think of such a possibility right away. then why did you unvote me when I claimed vig?
Because Vig and donating BP are very different roles. Seems obvious to me.
donating BP sounds as scummy as roleblocker. I don't think the scumteam will have such a role on their list.
First of all scum normally have 1-2 town clearing roles through name alone, while the rest normally are scummy by name alone. No ones gonna give scum all town clearing roles unless it fits with the flavor or the game itself.
if Last was scum with a scummy role, why would his wagon build up to the point he has to claim? I don't think the scumteam would've allowed such a stunt to go through.
Only 3-4 scum, there is enough town/tpr to build someone up to L2
sigh, I can't even with you guys... Ok so your gunna fear monger now? Explain to us what you mean by, "that's not all of it"
I think you're scum, and I think you're withholding something, fear doesn't play into it.
no this is ur attempt to still get me lynched when my role is obvious town aligned. And I didn't lie about *****... Actually I haven't lied at all this entire ******* game...
Obviously? Do Tell?
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I have also claimed that my role has "town" in it, so it's pretty safe to assume that after the two of us claimed that, that the mafia knew how our roles were formatted in that regard. Also, speculation on someone's alignment based on role PM formatting is a no-no.
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you can think of such a possibility right away. then why did you unvote me when I claimed vig?
Because Vig and donating BP are very different roles. Seems obvious to me.
donating BP sounds as scummy as roleblocker. I don't think the scumteam will have such a role on their list.
What does that have anything to do with anything?
His role isn't town clearing, it's not inherently scummy or townie, and it's not as crucial to town as a vig is. Plus he's been openly scummy. And breadcrumbing such a role suggests that he might have been intending to use it to earn town points. But that last part is speculation.
openly scummy and clearly scummy equates to scum for you, with a scummy role to top it off. why? do you think the scumteam will let such a problem get by without bussing it?
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sigh, I can't even with you guys... Ok so your gunna fear monger now? Explain to us what you mean by, "that's not all of it"
I think you're scum, and I think you're withholding something, fear doesn't play into it.
no this is ur attempt to still get me lynched when my role is obvious town aligned. And I didn't lie about *****... Actually I haven't lied at all this entire ******* game...
Obviously? Do Tell?
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I made the conclusion as well. It's not just Shinichi.
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I feel like whateverr you don't like you just deem it a scum tell lmfao, Does your role now have town in it? If so maybe ur tpr or scum.
nope. you said it yourself. my fullclaim was [Alice - Town Daredevil] so yeah, it has town in it.
you though, said it's possible all roles have TOWN in it. only those who aren't town will know if their role has TOWN in it.
@iso does ur role have town in it?
@lngrr does ur role have town in it?
Since u want to get smart about it i will literally prove it lol.
Also what do you mean only those who arent town will know if their role has town in it?
you don't need to involve others in your arguments. tell me, why should I believe you are town? nothing is proven until the flip. I'm not smart, just very curious.
and I mean, only the non-TOWN alignments will be able to speculate that every role has TOWN in it. real TOWN will not think of such an idea.
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To that end, the real power of Neighbors comes from their ability to speak to each other. Scum players, particularly those that do not like playing as scum, will not be able to maintain a pro-Town appearance for very long if engaged in dialogue like if they were a Mason. Thus, in the hands of skilled players a Neighborhood can function either as a Masonry (if both players are town) or a directed Cop investigation (if one is not town). In the hands of unskilled players, Neighbors are virtually useless. Thus, Neighbor is a fairly low-tier power role that amplifies the skill of its players.
If I'm going to be grilling someone, first off, town should be aware in case the fact that I'm doing that leads to a nightkill. Secondly, I can share some degree of information from the neighbor chat (paraphrased, etc.) afterwards. Knowing someone's answers to specific questions without scum being aware can be very significant. Arguably I could claim after the first night and then use the first night's answers in relation to the second night, but it's roughly equivalent in that vein to claim earlier. Thirdly, claiming early gives the person I'm paired with the ability to think of questions or comments they want to make to me in a context potentially unseen by the rest of the thread slightly sooner. In particular, a person could full claim just to me. Given the context, it can often be easier to suss out what is true and what is not, and use that full claim to consider the player without it being revealed to scum. I can then later on mention to a player I'm sure is town what that claim was, again without scum being aware of it. This is much easier to coordinate if people know ahead of time what my role is. In that vein, a side effect of the role is that I can act as a secret messenger between town players. If I believe that those players are scum, I can also suss it out by garbling the message and seeing their response. I believe that there are some other elements, but those are the first that come to mind.
Also, outside of that, the discussion in which I shared my role was one in which the mechanical advantage of my role was relevant to what I was commenting on:
if scum get matched up with scum, they are going to do whats most beneficial to them 100% of the time. It is going to be really hard to fight through that informational power. Giving them the ability to ally AND betray freely is bad.
On a related point, a scum player doesn't bother to share that role in public as they've already shared it in scumchat Night Zero, or can share it Night One if there is no Night Zero.
As for this particular case:
It's restricted to the person who I'm partnered with, and it's restricted to night time. A scum neighborizer at best can use that to manipulate a town member, and more often can and likely will just use it to pfaff about, or maybe, as scum-on-scum, plan something not involving the other scum players. But it's easier to tell as town if the other person is scum in 1-on-1, and it would honestly not be that likely that such a role would utilize its resources on scum-on-town. A town ZE-Mafia-style neighborizer can use the role for all the things mentioned above and more.
While you can get into WIFOM about how the scum neighborizer would pretend to be a town neighborizer, it still doesn't address why the bejeezus I would choose to claim early rather than under pressure in that case, given that, well, I would know that I'd get more attention cast onto me.
if Last was scum with a scummy role, why would his wagon build up to the point he has to claim? I don't think the scumteam would've allowed such a stunt to go through.
Because scum aren't all powerful? You've been accusing me of being scum all game while commenting on how useless I've been. And most people who think I'm scum think I'm scum with Iso and that wagon built up to l-2. This is bad logic because it is assuming scum competence and town incompetence.
I haven't been calling you useless, just that you aren't very helpful in scumhunting. why is the logic bad?
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are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I feel like whateverr you don't like you just deem it a scum tell lmfao, Does your role now have town in it? If so maybe ur tpr or scum.
nope. you said it yourself. my fullclaim was [Alice - Town Daredevil] so yeah, it has town in it.
you though, said it's possible all roles have TOWN in it. only those who aren't town will know if their role has TOWN in it.
@iso does ur role have town in it?
@lngrr does ur role have town in it?
Since u want to get smart about it i will literally prove it lol.
Also what do you mean only those who arent town will know if their role has town in it?
you don't need to involve others in your arguments. tell me, why should I believe you are town? nothing is proven until the flip. I'm not smart, just very curious.
and I mean, only the non-TOWN alignments will be able to speculate that every role has TOWN in it. real TOWN will not think of such an idea.
ONLY THINKING ABOUT IT CAUSE LAST LITERALLY BROUGHT IT UP, he mentioned in a recent post that his role literally had town in it which is where the curiosity came from.
I can involve who ever I want in wahtever I want, don't be hypocritical seeing as how your involving the entire town with your anti town play style.
L2 Can you please claim now because even i cant find this so called bread crumb at this point.
kys... But thanks for finally placing me in L2.
Name: Sean
Role Name: Town BP Giver (yes town is literally in my name)
Starting BP: 3
Active: Access the System, costs 1 BP, Give 1 BP to a target player
My guess was off by a bit but here were the clues:
* I've made it clear I'll claim if betrayed. If you can't put two and two together here not my problem.
* I'd rather not use my role as a way of clearing my self this early.
* My ability costs 1 BP
Now that LastWhisper is exposed, please move votes to Iso.
[quote from="Shinichi »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-1-welcome-to-my-kingdom?comment=3370"]Question is do we really need such role alive?
Nah.
do you even want to lynch scum? looks like you're trying to lynch troublesome town.
Damn, you caught me! Clever girl. Guess I'll just have to roll over and die, now.
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excuse me?
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@D_V: Like, a post like this feels organically funny to a degree that I don't think is likely to come from a newish scum player. Now, does she have other posts that are scummy no matter experience? Yes, a lot of them. But I'm not going to discount the fact that she also makes some good posts.
How irrational do you have to be to purchase a bottle of water and then say to the clerk that the clerk is hiding a BOGO coupon and just cheated you of an extra bottle of water? What precedent do you have for this suspicion?
I think you're scum, and I think you're withholding something, fear doesn't play into it.
no this is ur attempt to still get me lynched when my role is obvious town aligned. And I didn't lie about *****... Actually I haven't lied at all this entire ******* game...
Obviously? Do Tell?
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I have also claimed that my role has "town" in it, so it's pretty safe to assume that after the two of us claimed that, that the mafia knew how our roles were formatted in that regard. Also, speculation on someone's alignment based on role PM formatting is a no-no.
if you say that mafia knew about our roles, does that mean those who claimed after us are scum? Shinichi mentioned his role has it too, let's lynch him.
hmm looks like you'll have to tell Shinichi that, since he is speculating about role formatting now.
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L2 Can you please claim now because even i cant find this so called bread crumb at this point.
kys... But thanks for finally placing me in L2.
Name: Sean
Role Name: Town BP Giver (yes town is literally in my name)
Starting BP: 3
Active: Access the System, costs 1 BP, Give 1 BP to a target player
My guess was off by a bit but here were the clues:
* I've made it clear I'll claim if betrayed. If you can't put two and two together here not my problem.
* I'd rather not use my role as a way of clearing my self this early.
* My ability costs 1 BP
Now that LastWhisper is exposed, please move votes to Iso.
Jenna I did not say those things...
But... if you didn't... who did?
sorry I answered this wrong... I meant to say I didn't say the first one... The other two I did say at one point
His role isn't town clearing, it's not inherently scummy or townie, and it's not as crucial to town as a vig is. Plus he's been openly scummy. And breadcrumbing such a role suggests that he might have been intending to use it to earn town points. But that last part is speculation.
I feel like whateverr you don't like you just deem it a scum tell lmfao, Does your role now have town in it? If so maybe ur tpr or scum.
nope. you said it yourself. my fullclaim was [Alice - Town Daredevil] so yeah, it has town in it.
you though, said it's possible all roles have TOWN in it. only those who aren't town will know if their role has TOWN in it.
@iso does ur role have town in it?
@lngrr does ur role have town in it?
Since u want to get smart about it i will literally prove it lol.
Also what do you mean only those who arent town will know if their role has town in it?
you don't need to involve others in your arguments. tell me, why should I believe you are town? nothing is proven until the flip. I'm not smart, just very curious.
and I mean, only the non-TOWN alignments will be able to speculate that every role has TOWN in it. real TOWN will not think of such an idea.
ONLY THINKING ABOUT IT CAUSE LAST LITERALLY BROUGHT IT UP, he mentioned in a recent post that his role literally had town in it which is where the curiosity came from.
I can involve who ever I want in wahtever I want, don't be hypocritical seeing as how your involving the entire town with your anti town play style.
ok. then it's only right to voice out what you think, right? what do you think about Grapefruit asking me to not voice out what I think?
I haven't involved town in my problems. and can you stop attacking my playstyle? thanks.
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I think you're scum, and I think you're withholding something, fear doesn't play into it.
no this is ur attempt to still get me lynched when my role is obvious town aligned. And I didn't lie about *****... Actually I haven't lied at all this entire ******* game...
Obviously? Do Tell?
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I have also claimed that my role has "town" in it, so it's pretty safe to assume that after the two of us claimed that, that the mafia knew how our roles were formatted in that regard. Also, speculation on someone's alignment based on role PM formatting is a no-no.
For the record, I'm 100% against a Grapefruit lynch, but if he hits 8 votes, I will vote him so that we have a flip for toDay.
This comes as no surprise, especially when Azrael tangled you two together like wet spaghetti.
Yes, and why would I put credence in what obvscumAz says about Grapefruit's alignment?
Even if you are not mafia, you find nothing suspicious about how Grapefruit called you mafia out of nowhere but also didn't vote you during that push? That seems normal to you?
I don't think the scumteam would've allowed such a stunt to go through.
You think the scumteam is somehow in control of enough of the likely 12 or 13 town players in the game such that they can make sure that fewer than 7 of them will get on a wagon?
no this is ur attempt to still get me lynched when my role is obvious town aligned. And I didn't lie about *****... Actually I haven't lied at all this entire ******* game...
Obviously? Do Tell?
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I have also claimed that my role has "town" in it, so it's pretty safe to assume that after the two of us claimed that, that the mafia knew how our roles were formatted in that regard. Also, speculation on someone's alignment based on role PM formatting is a no-no.
if you say that mafia knew about our roles, does that mean those who claimed after us are scum? Shinichi mentioned his role has it too, let's lynch him.
hmm looks like you'll have to tell Shinichi that, since he is speculating about role formatting now.
I just said I think town have town in their role names, your the one trying to use it as a form of scum hunting *rolls eyes*
How is my claim less believable then a town vengeful, that I will never get. /Shrug gotta drive home in pouring rain contemplating why I even claim if people still think I am scum... Sigh...
@D_V: Like, a post like this feels organically funny to a degree that I don't think is likely to come from a newish scum player. Now, does she have other posts that are scummy no matter experience? Yes, a lot of them. But I'm not going to discount the fact that she also makes some good posts.
How irrational do you have to be to purchase a bottle of water and then say to the clerk that the clerk is hiding a BOGO coupon and just cheated you of an extra bottle of water? What precedent do you have for this suspicion?
I don't care.
There are too many scum tells to ignore.
Add that with the forced reads.
Which is every read. And well you get the mess that is what it is.
no this is ur attempt to still get me lynched when my role is obvious town aligned. And I didn't lie about *****... Actually I haven't lied at all this entire ******* game...
Obviously? Do Tell?
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I have also claimed that my role has "town" in it, so it's pretty safe to assume that after the two of us claimed that, that the mafia knew how our roles were formatted in that regard. Also, speculation on someone's alignment based on role PM formatting is a no-no.
if you say that mafia knew about our roles, does that mean those who claimed after us are scum? Shinichi mentioned his role has it too, let's lynch him.
hmm looks like you'll have to tell Shinichi that, since he is speculating about role formatting now.
Got about what 13 people who havent claimed or hinted at their role I guess they are all scum just waiting to claim lmfao
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I feel like whateverr you don't like you just deem it a scum tell lmfao, Does your role now have town in it? If so maybe ur tpr or scum.
nope. you said it yourself. my fullclaim was [Alice - Town Daredevil] so yeah, it has town in it.
you though, said it's possible all roles have TOWN in it. only those who aren't town will know if their role has TOWN in it.
@iso does ur role have town in it?
@lngrr does ur role have town in it?
Since u want to get smart about it i will literally prove it lol.
Also what do you mean only those who arent town will know if their role has town in it?
you don't need to involve others in your arguments. tell me, why should I believe you are town? nothing is proven until the flip. I'm not smart, just very curious.
and I mean, only the non-TOWN alignments will be able to speculate that every role has TOWN in it. real TOWN will not think of such an idea.
Well, they could of all the role names start with "Mafia."
L2 Can you please claim now because even i cant find this so called bread crumb at this point.
kys... But thanks for finally placing me in L2.
Name: Sean
Role Name: Town BP Giver (yes town is literally in my name)
Starting BP: 3
Active: Access the System, costs 1 BP, Give 1 BP to a target player
My guess was off by a bit but here were the clues:
* I've made it clear I'll claim if betrayed. If you can't put two and two together here not my problem.
* I'd rather not use my role as a way of clearing my self this early.
* My ability costs 1 BP
Now that LastWhisper is exposed, please move votes to Iso.
Jenna I did not say those things...
But... if you didn't... who did?
LnG was the one who said he would claim if Betrayed.
Dawn was the one who said points 1 and 2.
Last said he only mentioned his role ties in with the flavor, and those 2 posts.
I think that's it.
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How is my claim less believable then a town vengeful, that I will never get. /Shrug gotta drive home in pouring rain contemplating why I even claim if people still think I am scum... Sigh...
A role where its only effective if lynched tends to fall in town hands which is the only reason I think its from town.
ok. then it's only right to voice out what you think, right? what do you think about Grapefruit asking me to not voice out what I think?
I haven't involved town in my problems. and can you stop attacking my playstyle? thanks.
That is not what I asked you to do. I asked you to stop insulting my personal commitment to the game.
I never said you weren't committed to this game, just said it was a scum-aligned commitment. you were the one who said I should keep quiet about what I think of your activity or other, if I don't have the facts. I think it is right to voice what I think about things.
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Name: Sean
Role Name: Town BP Giver (yes town is literally in my name)
Starting BP: 3
Active: Access the System, costs 1 BP, Give 1 BP to a target player
My guess was off by a bit but here were the clues:
* I've made it clear I'll claim if betrayed. If you can't put two and two together here not my problem.
* I'd rather not use my role as a way of clearing my self this early.
* My ability costs 1 BP
Now that LastWhisper is exposed, please move votes to Iso.
Jenna I did not say those things...
But... if you didn't... who did?
sorry I answered this wrong... I meant to say I didn't say the first one... The other two I did say at one point
My apologies for the misattribution. I wonder who that was, then.
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I have also claimed that my role has "town" in it, so it's pretty safe to assume that after the two of us claimed that, that the mafia knew how our roles were formatted in that regard. Also, speculation on someone's alignment based on role PM formatting is a no-no.
if you say that mafia knew about our roles, does that mean those who claimed after us are scum? Shinichi mentioned his role has it too, let's lynch him.
hmm looks like you'll have to tell Shinichi that, since he is speculating about role formatting now.
Got about what 13 people who havent claimed or hinted at their role I guess they are all scum just waiting to claim lmfao
true. we should go after someone who hasn't claimed :3
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@D_V: Again, a good post, actual potential reason to vote for Grapefruit... Something to think about later (since GF is not getting lynched today)... Like, I can't be the only person seeing good posts from Jenna, at least now and then.
Even if you are not mafia, you find nothing suspicious about how Grapefruit called you mafia out of nowhere but also didn't vote you during that push? That seems normal to you?
Name: Sean
Role Name: Town BP Giver (yes town is literally in my name)
Starting BP: 3
Active: Access the System, costs 1 BP, Give 1 BP to a target player
My guess was off by a bit but here were the clues:
* I've made it clear I'll claim if betrayed. If you can't put two and two together here not my problem.
* I'd rather not use my role as a way of clearing my self this early.
* My ability costs 1 BP
Now that LastWhisper is exposed, please move votes to Iso.
Jenna I did not say those things...
But... if you didn't... who did?
LnG was the one who said he would claim if Betrayed.
Dawn was the one who said points 1 and 2.
Last said he only mentioned his role ties in with the flavor, and those 2 posts.
[quote from="Lastwhisper »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-1-welcome-to-my-kingdom?comment=3368"]no this is ur attempt to still get me lynched when my role is obvious town aligned. And I didn't lie about *****... Actually I haven't lied at all this entire ******* game...
Obviously? Do Tell?
Just to clarify pretty sure everyone has town in their role name vice versa for scum or even tpr.
Seeing as how my role also has town in it.
are you admitting to being scum? you say your role has town in it as well, but that you can clarify that everyone has TOWN written on it.
I have also claimed that my role has "town" in it, so it's pretty safe to assume that after the two of us claimed that, that the mafia knew how our roles were formatted in that regard. Also, speculation on someone's alignment based on role PM formatting is a no-no.
if you say that mafia knew about our roles, does that mean those who claimed after us are scum? Shinichi mentioned his role has it too, let's lynch him.
hmm looks like you'll have to tell Shinichi that, since he is speculating about role formatting now.
How do you get "anyone who claims now is mafia" from "mafia knows that we have 'Town' before our role name"?
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@Jenna: How many votes do you think Grapefruit has?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
We got Iso going and he's actually playing now, so pressuring him already helped. Haven't loved his response but I can understand why he would be irritated, so I'm fine with giving him another day to really get going. With Iso a lot of what I saw CAN be explained as being disengaged, which may be the result of his time constraints. On the other hand, LW is just plain scummy any way you slice it.
So yeah, Iso lynch wouldn't be the worst thing but I much prefer LW today.
We got Iso going and he's actually playing now, so pressuring him already helped. Haven't loved his response but I can understand why he would be irritated, so I'm fine with giving him another day to really get going. With Iso a lot of what I saw CAN be explained as being disengaged, which may be the result of his time constraints. On the other hand, LW is just plain scummy any way you slice it.
So yeah, Iso lynch wouldn't be the worst thing but I much prefer LW today.
I think the better option is Grapefruit. he wanted Last lynched even when he fullclaimed.
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What does that have anything to do with anything?
His role isn't town clearing, it's not inherently scummy or townie, and it's not as crucial to town as a vig is. Plus he's been openly scummy. And breadcrumbing such a role suggests that he might have been intending to use it to earn town points. But that last part is speculation.
if Last was scum with a scummy role, why would his wagon build up to the point he has to claim? I don't think the scumteam would've allowed such a stunt to go through.
Be grateful, always."
@iso does ur role have town in it?
@lngrr does ur role have town in it?
Since u want to get smart about it i will literally prove it lol.
Also what do you mean only those who arent town will know if their role has town in it?
Iso and Wisp have both claimed town roles? Im not voting grape so ya sure.
Because scum aren't all powerful? You've been accusing me of being scum all game while commenting on how useless I've been. And most people who think I'm scum think I'm scum with Iso and that wagon built up to l-2. This is bad logic because it is assuming scum competence and town incompetence.
Only 3-4 scum, there is enough town/tpr to build someone up to L2
I have also claimed that my role has "town" in it, so it's pretty safe to assume that after the two of us claimed that, that the mafia knew how our roles were formatted in that regard. Also, speculation on someone's alignment based on role PM formatting is a no-no.
Damn, you caught me! Clever girl. Guess I'll just have to roll over and die, now.
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Yes, and why would I put credence in what obvscumAz says about Grapefruit's alignment?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Be grateful, always."
and I mean, only the non-TOWN alignments will be able to speculate that every role has TOWN in it. real TOWN will not think of such an idea.
Be grateful, always."
I talked about Neighborizer in general as scum vs town here:
As for this particular case:
While you can get into WIFOM about how the scum neighborizer would pretend to be a town neighborizer, it still doesn't address why the bejeezus I would choose to claim early rather than under pressure in that case, given that, well, I would know that I'd get more attention cast onto me.
Be grateful, always."
ONLY THINKING ABOUT IT CAUSE LAST LITERALLY BROUGHT IT UP, he mentioned in a recent post that his role literally had town in it which is where the curiosity came from.
I can involve who ever I want in wahtever I want, don't be hypocritical seeing as how your involving the entire town with your anti town play style.
Be grateful, always."
hmm looks like you'll have to tell Shinichi that, since he is speculating about role formatting now.
Be grateful, always."
See this:
I haven't involved town in my problems. and can you stop attacking my playstyle? thanks.
Be grateful, always."
You think the scumteam is somehow in control of enough of the likely 12 or 13 town players in the game such that they can make sure that fewer than 7 of them will get on a wagon?
I just said I think town have town in their role names, your the one trying to use it as a form of scum hunting *rolls eyes*
That is not what I asked you to do. I asked you to stop insulting my personal commitment to the game.
There are too many scum tells to ignore.
Add that with the forced reads.
Which is every read. And well you get the mess that is what it is.
Got about what 13 people who havent claimed or hinted at their role I guess they are all scum just waiting to claim lmfao
LnG was the one who said he would claim if Betrayed.
Dawn was the one who said points 1 and 2.
Last said he only mentioned his role ties in with the flavor, and those 2 posts.
I think that's it.
Be grateful, always."
A role where its only effective if lynched tends to fall in town hands which is the only reason I think its from town.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
This does seem to be a fair point. I don't think it's enough of one to necessarily make her the D1 lynch. But it is fair.
Be grateful, always."
How do you get "anyone who claims now is mafia" from "mafia knows that we have 'Town' before our role name"?
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@Jenna: How many votes do you think Grapefruit has?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Clearly we all partial claim if we have town in our role name or not.
I have town in my role name, as I mentioned in my original ability claim.
Be grateful, always."
Vote Lastwhisper
We got Iso going and he's actually playing now, so pressuring him already helped. Haven't loved his response but I can understand why he would be irritated, so I'm fine with giving him another day to really get going. With Iso a lot of what I saw CAN be explained as being disengaged, which may be the result of his time constraints. On the other hand, LW is just plain scummy any way you slice it.
So yeah, Iso lynch wouldn't be the worst thing but I much prefer LW today.
How dare you cut what I said out of context.
Go troll someone else.
Be grateful, always."