I thought you were in stray dogs as well. Though I did replace out of that one. If that's it terry has a good point.
Did you also say you've looked me up on MU with their ISO features? Because that would partially explain it.
I wasn't around during that time (took a long hiatus).
and yes, I'm still trying to get the hang of that site.. lol
Clarify on MU and here what scum games have you read of mine?
And you attacking my commitment to this game is a joke. An absolute joke. That combined with saying that you give benefit of the doubt when meta is your main reason to scum read but have wanted my lynch more than anything based heavily on meta makes me want to reevaluate my town read on you.
none~ lol
if you were committed to this game you would see a possible team for Last, your scumread, by now. how, after all this time of focusing on Dawn/Last, can you still have 0 possible connections? are you just tunneling on us to look busy?
- if I scumread you, I look for your buddies. the same should apply to your focus on Dawn/Last. -
when I asked you for a possible team with Last, who is now your scumread, you said you have none outside of Azrael. praytell what commitment do you have? unless it is a scum commitment. I just don't see your resolve in scumhunting. especially with the failure of finding a team for Last, who you scumread, or even me.
re-evaluate me as neutral then. if you're so focused on me, after this entire phase of focus, you aren't looking for an enemy team. you wanting to scumread me for wanting your lynch, and you're town to yourself, then you should try to convince me of why you are town and not 're-evaluate your townread'. that's just...retaliation?
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But hey, if you want to follow Iso towards lynching someone who actually probably won't even claim in her own defense today, feel free. Because Iso's not being a hypocritical scummy dude at all by trying to push for her lynch today, over tomorrow, when we would have plenty of time to force her to claim and barrage her with mean, nasty questions. In the remote event that Jenna is weird town, this wagon is a tragedy waiting to happen, and it's the kind of loose, reckless, and irresponsible play that should never be allowed. But don't take my word for it, take Iso's, when he complained about me supposedly doing the same thing to him.
i endorse this message
who do you plan on lynching then? we're close to a no lynch at this rate
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this is bull*****
iver read your iso
its not ******* in there
your reasons for scumreading jenna are all but entirely that she doesnt make sense.
there is not a single look at motivation in there. or interactions.
its just "she doesnt make sense" "her reads are bad" and "shes in catchup mode"
you have no ******* reasoning
uhhm where did this Tom come from?
lmao
then again @Last, I wanna see if you got a reason to scumread Iso other than the counterclaim. do you think his claim makes sense?
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Musk I keep reminding you and others that I still have pages 23-48 to read? There are countless threads that require followup and I have yet to see many of the..
This makes no sense. If you think I'm mafia, pursue that dream. If you don't, then don't say you'll kill me later. The wrongness that is Azrael is billowing.
These posts are like a gigantic, blinking neon sign, screaming "lynch me! lynch me!"
Only problem is, we still don't have a claim, and she *could* still be just really, really off as town. Won't blame anyone if she goes down today, won't cry any tears, but I still think GF's the safer, smarter play.
These posts are like a gigantic, blinking neon sign, screaming "lynch me! lynch me!"
Only problem is, we still don't have a claim, and she *could* still be just really, really off as town. Won't blame anyone if she goes down today, won't cry any tears, but I still think GF's the safer, smarter play.
I know right! I'm going against my better judgement on Grapefruit, since we're almost to a NO LYNCH at this rate.
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Okay so commitment to the game equals having a full game solve on D1. Good to know. Glad that Azreal is the only person committed to the game then.
Now that we know I'm not getting lynched today can we proceed to lynching Wisp. There's still time!
commitment means you find a team and not just scumread players just because they're "clearly scummy". where is the gamesolving? what if you are silenced aka killed Tonight and can't spout out the team possibilities with the flip? unless...you're sure you'll live through the Night.
Azrael, and the others, are looking for a TEAM while you are looking at just a person. there's a difference.
I sure hope you're getting lynched though.
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this is bull*****
iver read your iso
its not ******* in there
your reasons for scumreading jenna are all but entirely that she doesnt make sense.
there is not a single look at motivation in there. or interactions.
its just "she doesnt make sense" "her reads are bad" and "shes in catchup mode"
you have no ******* reasoning
uhhm where did this Tom come from?
lmao
then again @Last, I wanna see if you got a reason to scumread Iso other than the counterclaim. do you think his claim makes sense?
I mean for now I dont see a reason to scum lean him, and ya at the time, I really thought his botched claim was weird, if not mafia, I thought there was a high chance of tpr... but I dont want to focus on that as of now... I feel like no matter what, jenna is gunna be the lynch...
@DBS you are attempting to read me using town meta from a different site with much faster paces. I don't play there much anymore because I can't keep up with the pace. I play here because it's acceptable to have a day off and post at the level I'm posting at (quantity only) you are posting at a massive outlier level in terms of quantity. And I think that's affecting your reads.
Anyway my point is my town meta is different here than it is in MS. And that's why I play here. I feel burnt out after playing on MS, I don't have time for 48 hour games to feel like I'm playing well. Here with more relaxed deadlines I have time to slowly do what I try to do in less time there.
I mean for now I dont see a reason to scum lean him, and ya at the time, I really thought his botched claim was weird, if not mafia, I thought there was a high chance of tpr... but I dont want to focus on that as of now... I feel like no matter what, jenna is gunna be the lynch...
ok. I feel tempted to switch back to Grapefruit and risk a NO LYNCH, but.. idk
Grapefruit/Iso/Osie/Jenna for my PoE //throws Jenna in because..no regrets
think I should risk it with Grapefruit? since I'll sleep through phase change..probably lol
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@DBS you are attempting to read me using town meta from a different site with much faster paces. I don't play there much anymore because I can't keep up with the pace. I play here because it's acceptable to have a day off and post at the level I'm posting at (quantity only) you are posting at a massive outlier level in terms of quantity. And I think that's affecting your reads.
Anyway my point is my town meta is different here than it is in MS. And that's why I play here. I feel burnt out after playing on MS, I don't have time for 48 hour games to feel like I'm playing well. Here with more relaxed deadlines I have time to slowly do what I try to do in less time there.
lolwut. I'm reading based on playstyle. my playstyle is the same this game, right? you said it felt familiar. don't see why your playstyle will be any different because of the phase duration.
I'm not counting on your posting speed, I'm counting on your lack of gamesolving. I understand some players are better at lurking and observing, which you probably have been. how can you have no idea on a possible scumteam, for your scumread, after all this time? I can excuse you as observing behind the scenes, but you haven't even pieced the puzzle together with your scumread. I mean...you can just ponder it over a cup of coffee for the fortnight, can't you? what is so hard about that, and how can you not figure out a team for your scumread until now?
and this looks like AtE... mind you I get triggered when people try AtE with me. lmao
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why are you such a pro-Jenna voter? I'm not convinced that you're town, and this is not helping it. Azrael said that from frustration with those weird posts, not that he scumread her. there is a chance that Jenna is town. mislynching her with an apology will not help us win fyi - noticed you mentioned that.
Because a no lynch is one of the worst things that can happen today for town. Even if Jenna flips town, we still get something out of it.
1. I'm not actually overly concerned if you're not convinced that I'm town. My role PM, myself, and some number of other players are.
2. This feels incredibly similar to an argument you made in defense of yourself. I'm not sure what I think about you using it on someone else... <- See, two can play at that kind of statement.
your attack is the same as Shinichi's. I'll be using the same defense then.
nothing is confirmed until the flip. look into the motives of a player rather than their claims or behavior. now...if you say you're scumreading Jenna based off her actions, tell me how it deterred town? she's doing her best to catch up while staying current, and has pointed out good points from time to time. the same goes to Kabazame. I would say they both have done more than your walls of ISOs and questionnaires have done. don't expect to be let off the hook because you're active, because the majority of your activity is only in mentoring attempts, and from experience it comes from scum.
This post I dont understand cause if i look into your motives they seem more harmful to town than beneficial so that would be another reason for me to scum read you. Jenna actions arent even scummy so to those who think she is thats just to easy of a reason to latch onto lol, the fact that shes trying to catch up in the past and the future so she is actually trying really well. I cant tell you if thats town or scum aligned but shes def been somewhat helpful.
why are you such a pro-Jenna voter? I'm not convinced that you're town, and this is not helping it. Azrael said that from frustration with those weird posts, not that he scumread her. there is a chance that Jenna is town. mislynching her with an apology will not help us win fyi - noticed you mentioned that.
Because a no lynch is one of the worst things that can happen today for town. Even if Jenna flips town, we still get something out of it.
1. I'm not actually overly concerned if you're not convinced that I'm town. My role PM, myself, and some number of other players are.
2. This feels incredibly similar to an argument you made in defense of yourself. I'm not sure what I think about you using it on someone else... <- See, two can play at that kind of statement.
your attack is the same as Shinichi's. I'll be using the same defense then.
nothing is confirmed until the flip. look into the motives of a player rather than their claims or behavior. now...if you say you're scumreading Jenna based off her actions, tell me how it deterred town? she's doing her best to catch up while staying current, and has pointed out good points from time to time. the same goes to Kabazame. I would say they both have done more than your walls of ISOs and questionnaires have done. don't expect to be let off the hook because you're active, because the majority of your activity is only in mentoring attempts, and from experience it comes from scum.
This post I dont understand cause if i look into your motives they seem more harmful to town than beneficial so that would be another reason for me to scum read you. Jenna actions arent even scummy so to those who think she is thats just to easy of a reason to latch onto lol, the fact that shes trying to catch up in the past and the future so she is actually trying really well. I cant tell you if thats town or scum aligned but shes def been somewhat helpful.
the way you worded this sounds like you're just gauging my overall playstyle. I know my overall playstyle is aggressive/ominous/destructive, but that doesn't speak of my motivations and alignment. tell me, is my motives aligned with town, or scum? you're just skimming the surface for scrapmetal flaws, so to speak.
"I cant tell you if thats town or scum aligned but shes def been somewhat helpful."
that means you probably know what she will flip. why so distant and not figure her out?
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That makes no sense I literally stated i cant tell if thats town or scum aligned how does that = I must know her alignment LOL
you can't tell Jenna but you can tell Dawn. uhh ok. do you have some personal vendetta with Dawn, or know her very well? you've been stuck on her wagon for quite a long time now. maybe you want the special treatment Grapefruit is having? //references self in 3rd person//
jokes aside
fyi
I've seen scum say "it makes no sense"
almost all the time
lol
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Shin, Iso, Kaba, Tom, Terry, and somewhat D_V and Killjoy have all expressed interest in an LW lynch, which means that's actually more likely than a Jenna lynch. And, what do you know? I like lynching him more than I like lynching Jenna, too!
@DBS you are attempting to read me using town meta from a different site with much faster paces. I don't play there much anymore because I can't keep up with the pace. I play here because it's acceptable to have a day off and post at the level I'm posting at (quantity only) you are posting at a massive outlier level in terms of quantity. And I think that's affecting your reads.
Anyway my point is my town meta is different here than it is in MS. And that's why I play here. I feel burnt out after playing on MS, I don't have time for 48 hour games to feel like I'm playing well. Here with more relaxed deadlines I have time to slowly do what I try to do in less time there.
lolwut. I'm reading based on playstyle. my playstyle is the same this game, right? you said it felt familiar. don't see why your playstyle will be any different because of the phase duration.
I'm not counting on your posting speed, I'm counting on your lack of gamesolving. I understand some players are better at lurking and observing, which you probably have been. how can you have no idea on a possible scumteam, for your scumread, after all this time? I can excuse you as observing behind the scenes, but you haven't even pieced the puzzle together with your scumread. I mean...you can just ponder it over a cup of coffee for the fortnight, can't you? what is so hard about that, and how can you not figure out a team for your scumread until now?
and this looks like AtE... mind you I get triggered when people try AtE with me. lmao
Read any of my games on here then rather than speculating. My play style is different here than it is to MS. Read Silence of the Lambs, Low Fantasy, or Mistborn.
As for the part about having ideas on who could be partners with my scum read I have ideas, but I'm not locking anything in pre-flip (sidebar: I'm being scum read for not making pre-flip associations) and will act on them once I have more info. For now I'm content to say that the way Az and KJ went hard for my lynch doesn't look great. Tom's looked more real. Everyone who's been defending Last will get extra scrutiny if he flips scum including you. Even though I strongly don't think you're scum at this stage. Despite having the most nonsensical read on me right now.
Also PoE generally isn't used the way you're using it. Unless you mean that you've town cleared everyone not in yours. I think you're using it the way most people use "willing to lynch". PoE generally means these are the only people left after I've taken out my hard town clears.
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That makes no sense I literally stated i cant tell if thats town or scum aligned how does that = I must know her alignment LOL
you can't tell Jenna but you can tell Dawn. uhh ok. do you have some personal vendetta with Dawn, or know her very well? you've been stuck on her wagon for quite a long time now. maybe you want the special treatment Grapefruit is having? //references self in 3rd person//
jokes aside
fyi
I've seen scum say "it makes no sense"
almost all the time
lol
I can still be wrong about you can i not? Or am I not allowed to be wrong? FYI I've seen scum call out slips more often than town, also see alot of scum call out scum tells.
You are welcome to vote me, unlike you I aint gonna spend half the game defending myself and inturn using that as an excuse to defend myself lol.
Shin, Iso, Kaba, Tom, Terry, and somewhat D_V and Killjoy have all expressed interest in an LW lynch, which means that's actually more likely than a Jenna lynch. And, what do you know? I like lynching him more than I like lynching Jenna, too!
Shin, Iso, Kaba, Tom, Terry, and somewhat D_V and Killjoy have all expressed interest in an LW lynch, which means that's actually more likely than a Jenna lynch. And, what do you know? I like lynching him more than I like lynching Jenna, too!
I trust my scum read on Grape more than I do my read on Jenna. The fact that we got to L-1 (or at least L-2) then people tried to CFD is telling I think.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I trust my scum read on Grape more than I do my read on Jenna. The fact that we got to L-1 (or at least L-2) then people tried to CFD is telling I think.
I trust my scum read on Grape more than I do my read on Jenna. The fact that we got to L-1 (or at least L-2) then people tried to CFD is telling I think.
Jenna got to L-3 before Dawning and I left. Iso got to L-2 before Az started the CFD and Iso fullclaimed.
I trust my scum read on Grape more than I do my read on Jenna. The fact that we got to L-1 (or at least L-2) then people tried to CFD is telling I think.
I need to look at this whole wagon train fiasco happening here to see who specifically has been doing all this but its weird to me that a wagon of someone people think is scum gets to L-1 (I think? need to check that too) and then someone tries to find a new target.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Grapefruit21- Initial thoughts on Grape are his vote on Llllllllngr to break RVS and subsequent reason for said vote appear to be from a townie perspective. It was very reactive. His catchup is similarly good.
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Tom
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Might Be Scum
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I'd betray the scum for sure... Null I would probably ISO them and decide on the fly.
I'm sure I missed questions btw. If you could remind me that you asked me something, that would be great. It's 3:14 in the morning, and I'm tired. I'll look for them again in the morning.
I am fine with voting DBS. I think post 520 is just horrible, threatening those who vote him, trying to claim a power role but also trying to make someone look scummy by asking for it.
Well sure, I will take that bluff. Claim DBS, so as you said, we can "get on with something more productive".
possible scumbuds with Last would be in.. idk, Shinichi/Osie/Killjoy. says he's not sure about Shinichi, Osie backed off after a bit of whiteknighting, probably had scum theatre with Killjoy.
Bah.
You're fake news.
FakingNewsSky. DawningFakeNews.
You're probably not even a good day 1 lynch... That said, whether or not you are scum, your approach to this game is anti-town.
I was uncertain before, but hey, at least now I have a scumread.
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LngrrR's vote uses language that's more aware of it's place on the wagon. He says "I'm fine with voting Dawn" which indirectly alludes to the wagon surrounding his vote. He also indicates specific reasoning for the vote. As a whole, it creates accountability to the vote. (NTS: I'm wondering if this indicates a town!LngrrR)
Osie acts like he doesn't notice the rest of the thread voting Dawn, doesn't give specific reasons why he's voting, and, for some reason, tacks onto the end a way to wave accountability if Dawn is town (which I'm guessing he is), which is something town does not do. He even nails-in-the-coffin with a final "I was uncertain before but not I have a scumread". It just doesn't feel natural.
]ok. I don't see Last as scum so I haven't thought about a potential team. if u insist to get an answer from my non-existent pov, it's likely to feel forced. not my problem.
possible scumbuds with Last would be in.. idk, Shinichi/Osie/Killjoy. says he's not sure about Shinichi, Osie backed off after a bit of whiteknighting, probably had scum theatre with Killjoy. I recall DV/Iso/Azrael having interacted with Last, but nothing significant to memory.
I think this quote is especially relevant given KJ's big post. Vote DBS with me peeps. Bolding mine.
Explain your thinking here. You seem to be trying to link Dawn and Osie via my post. You're literally referencing my post which you agreed with that Osie is scum, and using it to say that Dawn is scum, so we should vote Dawn?
****. Wondering now. Grape/Osie scumteam?
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Which doesn't sound sure but is entertaining the possibility.
Then there is pretty much nothing concrete about me the rest of the way except you getting upset at me calling you a lurker. Which was fair.
There is this exchange that suggests more paranoia. But still nothing concrete in terms of a scum read or reasons why.
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Reading that whole claim and retraction fiasco gave me a headache. Can we all try to post less when we're unsure of our facts? Please?
Anyway LnGrrrR needs to eat the noose. Focusing his entire game on the A/B mechanism and not having the facts right is just too much. I've explained my Iso read several times (good interactions with Axelrod and Az despite the pockety feel and I liked his previous interactions with DBS) with his new interactions with DBS he's way up my town reads.
*eyebrow* Why is LnGrrR getting his facts wrong make him scum?
Also sidenote: I wonder how much accusing people of pocketing you comes from scum. On the surface it seems like smearing someone for townreading you.
From that we jump to these three posts with pretty much nothing in between wrt to my alignment.
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@Axel: You're saying there's only one type of busywork that scum do? You don't think that overloading your posts with useless stuff makes the person posting look like they're doing more than they are? Like... Osie literally asked me if I saw the moon one night as part of his questions. If that was an isolated incident then ok but he's been doing stuff like that on a regular basis and I literally don't understand why he's not getting more flak for it.
@Everyone: I'm sorry for my general absence... I've been... kind of addicted to the source material of this game and have been playing it pretty nonstop since i signed up for this game.I'm nearing the end of the last game so I've been more focused on that than usual.
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Yeah, the no lynch vote is setting off all kinds of alarm bells even with her being newish. And both Iso and Az were pushing for her lynch, though Az was waffling a bit.
I don't feel that we get as much information from Jenna as we do from lynching in Iso/Az, but Terry has a point.
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"alarm bells" is a scum phrase etc etc.
This is irritating because I agree with it.
I don't like Az's CFD attempt. It didn't feel natural. IDK. Like, I feel like without it we could have easily gotten a lynch. Then he moved.
No the question remains do I trust Iso? Answer: More than I trust Az.
I think lynching Grape is better than Iso at this stage.
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Az: Osie.
@Osie: Grape is scum independent of others right now. If you're referring to Az... As scum, I'd say he's likely to include scum in his scumteam. He's tried to lynch LW/Grape/LnGrrR/Jenna today. If he's scum, one is probably scum. If he's town, then more than one is.
I don't trust he's being completely honest but if he does nothing but push town mislynches that trust he's trying to build melts quick.
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I trust my scum read on Grape more than I do my read on Jenna. The fact that we got to L-1 (or at least L-2) then people tried to CFD is telling I think.
So yeah zero explanation. Just from general paranoia about my interactions with Osie to wanting me lynched.
I need to look at this whole wagon train fiasco happening here to see who specifically has been doing all this but its weird to me that a wagon of someone people think is scum gets to L-1 (I think? need to check that too) and then someone tries to find a new target.
Wait
I just realized how confusing this was after I made my big post. Do you think the wagon getting as far as it did makes Jenna scum? Because that's kind of the opposite of what your previous post suggested. Then why the part about trusting your (not explained) read of me more?
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I trust my scum read on Grape more than I do my read on Jenna. The fact that we got to L-1 (or at least L-2) then people tried to CFD is telling I think.
You're scum because you seem more confident than you should be. I feel like you waffle around about as much as I do when I'm town as town because you don't actually know who scum are. That seems not the case this game.
I feel like I should really stop using meta for arguments. Or at least stop saying I don't use meta. Since that seems to be waht I'm doing here.
And to answer your question: She might be scum too, IDK. It's probably unusual that scum get CFD'd from them to their buddies. Usually I assume it's probably scum trying to pull heat off their buddy and onto a townie. So, if you're scum... she probably isn't with you? More likely than not I assume.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You're scum because you seem more confident than you should be. I feel like you waffle around about as much as I do when I'm town as town because you don't actually know who scum are. That seems not the case this game.
I feel like I should really stop using meta for arguments. Or at least stop saying I don't use meta. Since that seems to be waht I'm doing here.
And to answer your question: She might be scum too, IDK. It's probably unusual that scum get CFD'd from them to their buddies. Usually I assume it's probably scum trying to pull heat off their buddy and onto a townie. So, if you're scum... she probably isn't with you? More likely than not I assume.
This doesn't feel like a very confident read. Also I may be projecting a lot of confidence but my reads have changed pretty drastically over the course of the day. I now have a town read on LnGrrrR for instance.
What do you make of Last?
@DV Why aren't you willing to lynch Last? I think he's openly scumming at this point. He's not making reads, pushing wagons, or really doing much of anything beyond saying "But I'm town so what will you do when I flip town?" Which just isn't a townie thing to do when people are trying to lynch you. I've played with him before as town and he's been more active under pressure trying to actually find scum. Which he's just not doing here.
Has anyone wondered why the scummiest, trolling player in thus game has not been lynched yet with less than 24 hours left?
Because she's scum!
Read the three most recent pages of Wisp's ISO and tell me he's being any use to town at all. Jenna may be useless but her unvoting me when I said you haven't caught up was a glimmer of townieness. Wisp has nothing of the sort. Plus he's openly scummy. And his wagon is gaining no traction and everytime it starts to it there is a massive chainsaw coming through. Lynch him.
Ohhhh and for the record I was trying to trap DBS earlier when she said she had read players on MU and knew my meta. But her answer to it was pretty good. The trap was I've never actually played on MU. My game there I was a shadow talking to wisp in a discord page. Her read on me is wrong and assumes play style doesn't change when pace changes, but she's at least not lying about having read extra games of me which does suggest she's town.
Off to bed, will be around for phase change. Hoping to see a wagon on Wisp when I wake up.
because this just feels so ez @phraze like there are so many variables at play here... I was hoping Jenna would stop with this split personlity bs before the end of the day, but she never did... She never caught up, when she had ample time, like I just dont get it... Its almost as if she wants to get lynched...
I have been dedicating at least two to three hours a day on this game alone. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
@Iso: Dead horse or not, scum is scum, and a Last Whisper lynch is the lynch to hit scum. Maybe Jenna's scum and just completely disengaged, but there is no info from her lynch, nothing we get from either way she comes up.
@Azreal: I'm gonna have to disagree with your assessment of Last whisper and Grapefruit. I think you're trying to get fancy with those reads and not actually reading them for what they are.
-Last has been objectively scummy, he hasn't been consistent in his own reads, and he's used misinformation to push lynches and then not reevaluated when he was corrected. If he actually believed that Dawn/Iso had been a dichotomy, he would have pushed that instead of letting everything else go on around it. Look at the post he made when he noted the dichotomy down, he wasn't even hard pushing iso just using it to white knight dawning; speaking of which, his progression on dawning has been miserably bad, to the point where he acts like she's strong town but would still be willing to lynch her! I strongly believe that he's easily our best lynch for today.
-As far as grapefruit is concerned, look at the reasons people are willing to lynch him; there is no really consistent train of thought as to why he should be lynched, there are several citations of his meta saying "he's slightly more this," or "not as much like that," but nothing substantial. And, the posts you've pointed to and said "these make him scum" look like townie posts to me.
@Osie: Give me your thoughts on Iso/Azreal with a little more depth; you think they are oppositely aligned, why? What do you think of them if Jenna was to be revealed as scum? If town? What do you think the odds are that Jenna is scum?
@Jenna: Why are you voting for No Lynch? Who do you think is scum on your wagon? Can you post your thoughts on your strongest reads either way?
I voted no lynch to get my vote off Grapefruit. I'll have to review who is voting me, but I don't believe there has been much significant change in my reads except that I suspect Iso less and D_V more and I have lost some confidence in Osieorb.
no you couldve just said "Unvote" you dummy... uggh I really want to hear you out...
And forget to place my vote in time? No thank you.
because this just feels so ez @phraze like there are so many variables at play here... I was hoping Jenna would stop with this split personlity bs before the end of the day, but she never did... She never caught up, when she had ample time, like I just dont get it... Its almost as if she wants to get lynched...
again with my other username lmao
if Jenna is scum she's trying to go first so her better teammates can survive.
if Jenna is town then gg...we have a lot of gamethrowers here~
yknow me, I can't deal with gamethrowers. ****
I have never once thrown a game and it is frustrating that to this day I get accused of such. What is the point? If I have no interest in playing any more I will simply leave.
if you were committed to this game you would see a possible team for Last, your scumread, by now. how, after all this time of focusing on Dawn/Last, can you still have 0 possible connections? are you just tunneling on us to look busy?
- if I scumread you, I look for your buddies. the same should apply to your focus on Dawn/Last. -
when I asked you for a possible team with Last, who is now your scumread, you said you have none outside of Azrael. praytell what commitment do you have? unless it is a scum commitment. I just don't see your resolve in scumhunting. especially with the failure of finding a team for Last, who you scumread, or even me.
re-evaluate me as neutral then. if you're so focused on me, after this entire phase of focus, you aren't looking for an enemy team. you wanting to scumread me for wanting your lynch, and you're town to yourself, then you should try to convince me of why you are town and not 're-evaluate your townread'. that's just...retaliation?
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
then again @Last, I wanna see if you got a reason to scumread Iso other than the counterclaim. do you think his claim makes sense?
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Ugh.
These posts are like a gigantic, blinking neon sign, screaming "lynch me! lynch me!"
Only problem is, we still don't have a claim, and she *could* still be just really, really off as town. Won't blame anyone if she goes down today, won't cry any tears, but I still think GF's the safer, smarter play.
Now that we know I'm not getting lynched today can we proceed to lynching Wisp. There's still time!
Be grateful, always."
Azrael, and the others, are looking for a TEAM while you are looking at just a person. there's a difference.
I sure hope you're getting lynched though.
Be grateful, always."
Anyway my point is my town meta is different here than it is in MS. And that's why I play here. I feel burnt out after playing on MS, I don't have time for 48 hour games to feel like I'm playing well. Here with more relaxed deadlines I have time to slowly do what I try to do in less time there.
Grapefruit/Iso/Osie/Jenna for my PoE //throws Jenna in because..no regrets
think I should risk it with Grapefruit? since I'll sleep through phase change..probably lol
Be grateful, always."
Jenna is at L-3: TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Axelrod, D_V, osieorb18, Iso, dawningbluesky
Tomsloger, Kabazame, Shinichi, Phoenix, Grapefruit, LnGrrrrrrrrrrrrR, Lastwhisper, Killjoy, and AXErael are currently off-wagon.
I'm not counting on your posting speed, I'm counting on your lack of gamesolving. I understand some players are better at lurking and observing, which you probably have been. how can you have no idea on a possible scumteam, for your scumread, after all this time? I can excuse you as observing behind the scenes, but you haven't even pieced the puzzle together with your scumread. I mean...you can just ponder it over a cup of coffee for the fortnight, can't you? what is so hard about that, and how can you not figure out a team for your scumread until now?
and this looks like AtE... mind you I get triggered when people try AtE with me. lmao
Be grateful, always."
This post I dont understand cause if i look into your motives they seem more harmful to town than beneficial so that would be another reason for me to scum read you. Jenna actions arent even scummy so to those who think she is thats just to easy of a reason to latch onto lol, the fact that shes trying to catch up in the past and the future so she is actually trying really well. I cant tell you if thats town or scum aligned but shes def been somewhat helpful.
staying here. probably gonna be my last vote, unless I'm lucky. if not Today, then Tomorrow! lmao
Be grateful, always."
EBWODP: And Megiddo as well.
Be grateful, always."
"I cant tell you if thats town or scum aligned but shes def been somewhat helpful."
that means you probably know what she will flip. why so distant and not figure her out?
Be grateful, always."
//fluffpost
Be grateful, always."
jokes aside
fyi
I've seen scum say "it makes no sense"
almost all the time
lol
Be grateful, always."
Shin, Iso, Kaba, Tom, Terry, and somewhat D_V and Killjoy have all expressed interest in an LW lynch, which means that's actually more likely than a Jenna lynch. And, what do you know? I like lynching him more than I like lynching Jenna, too!
Vote: Lastwhisper
I'm willing to vote Jenna to avoid a no lynch but prefer a Wisp lynch.
Read any of my games on here then rather than speculating. My play style is different here than it is to MS. Read Silence of the Lambs, Low Fantasy, or Mistborn.
As for the part about having ideas on who could be partners with my scum read I have ideas, but I'm not locking anything in pre-flip (sidebar: I'm being scum read for not making pre-flip associations) and will act on them once I have more info. For now I'm content to say that the way Az and KJ went hard for my lynch doesn't look great. Tom's looked more real. Everyone who's been defending Last will get extra scrutiny if he flips scum including you. Even though I strongly don't think you're scum at this stage. Despite having the most nonsensical read on me right now.
Also PoE generally isn't used the way you're using it. Unless you mean that you've town cleared everyone not in yours. I think you're using it the way most people use "willing to lynch". PoE generally means these are the only people left after I've taken out my hard town clears.
Of course, most of the rest of his posts are scummy as ****.
@osi: You don’t pay me enough to be helpful.
@tom: no u
Burden of proof is on you to prove I didn’t say it. Otherwise, I did. Neener neener.
Good to see Az continues to be obvscum. Snark harder, my friend!
Pity we’re seeing yet another shift towards Grapefruit. I asked for ONE birthday gift from you guys and you’re ******* it up. Thanks a lot.
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@Iso: Come with me to Lastwhisper then.
Also, happy birthday, Batman!
I can still be wrong about you can i not? Or am I not allowed to be wrong? FYI I've seen scum call out slips more often than town, also see alot of scum call out scum tells.
You are welcome to vote me, unlike you I aint gonna spend half the game defending myself and inturn using that as an excuse to defend myself lol.
CHOO CHOO!!! No brakes! Let's go!
BOOO
Jenna Lynch. ONLY.
I refuse to lynch anything else.
"I want a miss lynch, listen to my bad logic."
Jenna got to L-3 before Dawning and I left. Iso got to L-2 before Az started the CFD and Iso fullclaimed.
I need to look at this whole wagon train fiasco happening here to see who specifically has been doing all this but its weird to me that a wagon of someone people think is scum gets to L-1 (I think? need to check that too) and then someone tries to find a new target.
Which evolves to this at 696
Which doesn't sound sure but is entertaining the possibility.
Then there is pretty much nothing concrete about me the rest of the way except you getting upset at me calling you a lurker. Which was fair.
There is this exchange that suggests more paranoia. But still nothing concrete in terms of a scum read or reasons why.
From that we jump to these three posts with pretty much nothing in between wrt to my alignment.
So yeah zero explanation. Just from general paranoia about my interactions with Osie to wanting me lynched.
@KJ why am I scum?
Wait
I just realized how confusing this was after I made my big post. Do you think the wagon getting as far as it did makes Jenna scum? Because that's kind of the opposite of what your previous post suggested. Then why the part about trusting your (not explained) read of me more?
I feel like I should really stop using meta for arguments. Or at least stop saying I don't use meta. Since that seems to be waht I'm doing here.
And to answer your question: She might be scum too, IDK. It's probably unusual that scum get CFD'd from them to their buddies. Usually I assume it's probably scum trying to pull heat off their buddy and onto a townie. So, if you're scum... she probably isn't with you? More likely than not I assume.
This doesn't feel like a very confident read. Also I may be projecting a lot of confidence but my reads have changed pretty drastically over the course of the day. I now have a town read on LnGrrrR for instance.
What do you make of Last?
@DV Why aren't you willing to lynch Last? I think he's openly scumming at this point. He's not making reads, pushing wagons, or really doing much of anything beyond saying "But I'm town so what will you do when I flip town?" Which just isn't a townie thing to do when people are trying to lynch you. I've played with him before as town and he's been more active under pressure trying to actually find scum. Which he's just not doing here.
Read the three most recent pages of Wisp's ISO and tell me he's being any use to town at all. Jenna may be useless but her unvoting me when I said you haven't caught up was a glimmer of townieness. Wisp has nothing of the sort. Plus he's openly scummy. And his wagon is gaining no traction and everytime it starts to it there is a massive chainsaw coming through. Lynch him.
Off to bed, will be around for phase change. Hoping to see a wagon on Wisp when I wake up.