sorry im going back to his explanation of how he solves a game and its all about whos doing what when and moving parts and he calls it electron cloud theory and im just... not seeing that here? none of his reads are dependent on others really and i just expect, not necessarily worldbuilding but some start to looking for a team and hes not.
I don't think the tells I'm seeing from her now would be easily faked. And if her role functions as described, some amount of confusion is not unthinkable.
*thinks* vote jenna. I don't see any good reason for the self imposed, detached posting style.
Are you really saying that DBS did/said something different between the time that you voted for her and this unvote that constituted a "town tell?" That was different from the posting DBS has been making this entire game? I am finding that hard to believe. Can you give me some examples of this?
I also quite liked Osie's big post just now. That's a bravo performance if it is coming from scum.
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@GrapeFruit21
Listen I know Dawn looks really bad this game, and sometimes I even question or not if im just being a biased idiot when I keep proclaiming she is town through her flip floppity behavior… but I really think this is her town game, and with that I can say at the same time I am still slightly ok with her lynch… @Phraze sorry
Maybe its because she reminds me of myself when I get scum read as town, I tend to force out a lot of things that make no sense, and tell to get lost in my forced reads. And that’s what she feels like to me, but in all honesty, this isn’t enough to convince anyone that shes town, and just how I feel about her.
The thought that she may be trying to pocket me did cross my mind, but in all honesty I just couldn’t see why, regardless of who I trust and don’t trust, I never let them dictate who my vote is on, and she specifically knows this, I tunnel hard and fail due to my own incompetence. Phraze knows that Im ez to push as scum day 1, she has seen this in almost every game we played together, so why pocket when you can get off an ez mislynch.
Her claim is a bit iffy though, like I understand that a roleblocker isn’t a town only role, but either way she should’ve been honest from the start, and I still see no need to claim, unless your close to getting lynched or in L2 or higher, like I hate claiming as much as my brother. There are town ways to claim and scummy ways to claim, and her soft claim, into a double role was as scummy as it gets imo… With that though, I still think that Orie, and Iso both had the scummiest role claims, both unneeded regardless of why they did it, and Iso’s “I take it back” was dumb, idk how I forgot about it lmao…
I’d rather work with her then see her go tonight… Like there are scummier people… and ill have my list down below of who I’m ok with lynching…
Lastly, this holds pretty much nothing, but she has no idea what my ability does…
I had more, but after a long day I can’t seem to remember what else I was gunna bring up :/
Some of these votes on her, like are so bad, does no one else see this, and same goes for votes on Jenna…
A 2000 post D1 with... like a week left is insane.
Yeah, how do you think it feels to replace into this mess? lol
I'm not going to lie, I still have like 20 pages to slog through. I haven't had a lot of time, and a lot of these posts aren't easy to read. Not only that, the game is still moving pretty quick so it takes me a while to read the new posts, let alone going back!
Anyway, I think LnGrrR's claim makes sense with his opening post. He did say "Btw, if you betray I am going to assume you are scum unless you note the reasons publicly, ahead of time. I will be paying attention.", the last line especially seems like he has some way of knowing if people betray or not. I suppose the role could be scum, but I haven't read him as scum outside of that.
Osie I still think is very shady. He gave up the Lngrr thing really quick and I don't really feel like he's actually scum hunting. I'll try to prepare a more detailed analysis of this but basically I'm seeing a lot of faked activity and it doesn't seem right.
I thought Phoenix(?) made a great point about LW trying to sell that Iso/DBS thing. I kind of think DBS and Iso are both town and he was assuming a DBS lynch today and setting up Iso for tomorrow. Of the two leading wagons I prefer LW but I think more people should look at Osie
I tend to make my reads based on reactions to my own posts, so it's been quite a struggle to get my footing while being so far behind :/
I really like most of the points in this post, just remove the point about my agenda and its perfect. Like I told Azrael who was the person who actually stated this, not Phoenix, I didn’t even recall Iso taking back her claim (which in its self is scummy and why no one pushed that is beyond me), what agenda would I push if everyone already thought she wasn’t vigilante, I guess I had a mind blank
I still don’t think the sensibility of Grrr’s quote and his role claim, say anything about this alignment, I still think he has a higher chance of flipping scum atm
I agree on the Osie bit indefinitely, I might need to ISO him/her to actually find some decent reasons to actively push her.
If you are expecting a lean list, then you will be disappointed.
Will not lynch today:
Kabazame
Tomsloger
Jenna Tolaria
Megiddo
Grapefruit21
Phoenix-Fire
Axelrod
Neutral:
DV (idk how I feel about his anger)
Dawningbluesky (???)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (his tunnel disgusts me)
Will lynch:
osieorb18
Azrael
Killjoy
LnGrrrR
Iso
Shinichi
One more note, I don’t think Jenna’s weird past self, present self fiasco, proves shes town or proves she is scum. All and all she is posting, old and new, and giving us fine points, so how anyone can come to assumption she is scum right now, I can only think that they are scum
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don't think the tells I'm seeing from her now would be easily faked. And if her role functions as described, some amount of confusion is not unthinkable.
*thinks* vote jenna. I don't see any good reason for the self imposed, detached posting style.
Are you really saying that DBS did/said something different between the time that you voted for her and this unvote that constituted a "town tell?" That was different from the posting DBS has been making this entire game? I am finding that hard to believe. Can you give me some examples of this?
I also quite liked Osie's big post just now. That's a bravo performance if it is coming from scum.
The complexity of her post does not make her any less scummy, there is nothing that states that scum cant make very towny walls to create a shroud over themselves keeps them looking towny
I don't think the tells I'm seeing from her now would be easily faked. And if her role functions as described, some amount of confusion is not unthinkable.
*thinks* vote jenna. I don't see any good reason for the self imposed, detached posting style.
Are you really saying that DBS did/said something different between the time that you voted for her and this unvote that constituted a "town tell?" That was different from the posting DBS has been making this entire game? I am finding that hard to believe. Can you give me some examples of this?
I also quite liked Osie's big post just now. That's a bravo performance if it is coming from scum.
The complexity of her post does not make her any less scummy, there is nothing that states that scum cant make very towny walls to create a shroud over themselves keeps them looking towny
GOOD POST
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
is this where i admit i've mostly stopped reading dawning's posts?
to be fair, I wouldn't have been this annoying if I was questioned properly. not just parked on and accused while everyone calls it a day. but fine, I'll tone down on the hostility. nice laugh though.
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the scumteam are in control of the situation, since they found some easy mislynch targets, and they're serving it up. as for the serving: easy mislynches.
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So Axel you can't be bothered to read my big post but you read Osie's huh? I see.
Well, I didn't read all of it, certainly not in detail. I mostly skimmed. But enough to see what he was doing.
He also made it easier to read than yours, you know, with the spoilers
Still going to read it though. Just don't know when.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
i expect a bit more nonsense out of a scum iso that I'm not seeing here, but i'll take a look, hold on
i'm being pulled away to sleep
i see what you mean actually, but is that out of his townrange?
its... probably not?
but
ok so like his main push right now is jenna. i dont believe thats ever the target of someone whos main objective is to solve a game. like, i kinda think shes town but i fully understand scumreading her. but how do you hunt for her team? thats, like, the thing that gets me. its just, jenna is scum because what shes doing is scummy. thats fine on its own. but theres no sign of him looking at how people react to her. he says theres no way all the wagons are on town but he doesnt compare them.
idk maybe its too early for that but we're well past the time he solved sg1 or the invitational and he hasn't even begun.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I feel like if I redo my Osie post to make it a little more readable, it might persuade people more?
elite strategy.
ive taken to just doing micro cases and going through my own iso and beatifully formatting them into a wall with neat little spoilered sections.
havent done it as much on mtgs but thats the only way i make cases in a mash other than overnight post prep
@GrapeFruit21
Listen I know Dawn looks really bad this game, and sometimes I even question or not if im just being a biased idiot when I keep proclaiming she is town through her flip floppity behavior… but I really think this is her town game, and with that I can say at the same time I am still slightly ok with her lynch… @Phraze sorry
no harm done since I've interacted enough to be an informative lynch, if it comes down to it. not relying on my claim/role, but the information it produces (cuz the jinx).
Her claim is a bit iffy though, like I understand that a roleblocker isn’t a town only role, but either way she should’ve been honest from the start, and I still see no need to claim, unless your close to getting lynched or in L2 or higher, like I hate claiming as much as my brother. There are town ways to claim and scummy ways to claim, and her soft claim, into a double role was as scummy as it gets imo… With that though, I still think that Orie, and Iso both had the scummiest role claims, both unneeded regardless of why they did it, and Iso’s “I take it back” was dumb, idk how I forgot about it lmao…
the likelihood of me getting to L-2 will be late in the Day, and we wouldn't be able to figure anyone else out during that time. my claiming early was a 'cut loss' move, besides cracking down on the possible rolefishing going around - Osie brought up his Neighborizer, and there was plenty of BP speculation.
has it ever cross your mind though, that I'm pocketing you because I know you're an easy mislynch, and there might be a team behind me to create a diversion when necessary? I've done that before, and Grapefruit has witnessed it.
also, I think you missed my question. what do you think of Shinichi? I've been trying to make sense of why he kept insisting I should fullclaim, if I dared to softclaim. it could be rolefishing.
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is this where i admit i've mostly stopped reading dawning's posts?
to be fair, I wouldn't have been this annoying if I was questioned properly. not just parked on and accused while everyone calls it a day. but fine, I'll tone down on the hostility. nice laugh though.
Are you joking!? The questioning was great your answers were not.a
Are you joking!? The questioning was great your answers were not.a
not really. the questions were more along the lines of "why are you asking these questions?" and I've mentioned repeatedly that I work off reactions. my votes haven't been as OMGUSy has some have claimed, but maybe I have a hard time casing my reasons. I work off gamestate, impression, and....playstyle, and they're not very easy to put into words. it's not really a gut read, but it's not easy to say either.
for example, I townread Last/Terry due to how quickly their tied trains built up. it was an in-game happening, and influential to the gamestate, so I had confidence that my read wasn't off. it might not be convincing to anyone, or I can't really say it, but it's there. (I said before that Last was neutral, moved up to townlean after the tie, and defended him ever since.)
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i feel like im holding him to this impossible standard. like, i havent cased anyone. in, like, awhile. my reads are just sort of... whats occurred to me so far. but my stated goal isnt to catch the team. im all about lynching scummy people and figuring it out later.
but its not that im expecting him to have Solved The Game by now. But i am expecting some sign that it's.. what he's working towards.
whisper/iso/[idk prolly a lurker and someone im townreading]?
i think that fact that iso didnt say anything to that post when he was, like, actively arguing with whisper at the time.
like, didnt he want to know wtf whisper meant with that?
no slip the reason I said that was because Iso claimed he was the vigi, but at that time, Dawn had already fulled claimed, and was the graverobber? with two abilities, so hench her CC made no sense. Thats all it was, but if this makes you scum read Iso then I'm all for it lmao.
whisper/iso/[idk prolly a lurker and someone im townreading]?
i think that fact that iso didnt say anything to that post when he was, like, actively arguing with whisper at the time.
like, didnt he want to know wtf whisper meant with that?
also cant say why Iso didnt question me harder after saying that...
heading off for the night... @Tomslonger the only time I've ever scum slipped is when I threw Grape's game because I pinged my fellow scum mates in the main chat, and the game was ended prematurely, and honestly you cant even scum slip when your not scum... lol
@GrapeFruit21
Listen I know Dawn looks really bad this game, and sometimes I even question or not if im just being a biased idiot when I keep proclaiming she is town through her flip floppity behavior… but I really think this is her town game, and with that I can say at the same time I am still slightly ok with her lynch… @Phraze sorry
Maybe its because she reminds me of myself when I get scum read as town, I tend to force out a lot of things that make no sense, and tell to get lost in my forced reads. And that’s what she feels like to me, but in all honesty, this isn’t enough to convince anyone that shes town, and just how I feel about her.
The thought that she may be trying to pocket me did cross my mind, but in all honesty I just couldn’t see why, regardless of who I trust and don’t trust, I never let them dictate who my vote is on, and she specifically knows this, I tunnel hard and fail due to my own incompetence. Phraze knows that Im ez to push as scum day 1, she has seen this in almost every game we played together, so why pocket when you can get off an ez mislynch.
Her claim is a bit iffy though, like I understand that a roleblocker isn’t a town only role, but either way she should’ve been honest from the start, and I still see no need to claim, unless your close to getting lynched or in L2 or higher, like I hate claiming as much as my brother. There are town ways to claim and scummy ways to claim, and her soft claim, into a double role was as scummy as it gets imo… With that though, I still think that Orie, and Iso both had the scummiest role claims, both unneeded regardless of why they did it, and Iso’s “I take it back” was dumb, idk how I forgot about it lmao…
I’d rather work with her then see her go tonight… Like there are scummier people… and ill have my list down below of who I’m ok with lynching…
Lastly, this holds pretty much nothing, but she has no idea what my ability does…
I had more, but after a long day I can’t seem to remember what else I was gunna bring up :/
Some of these votes on her, like are so bad, does no one else see this, and same goes for votes on Jenna…
So just to be clear you aren't really town reading DBS now that you've looked into it and tried to find reasons? Not that you're scum reading her either, just that you're not strongly town reading her anymore.
@Osie I will read your long post, only read the section on me and the conclusion so far. First I'm suprised you have DBS that low on your reads list. Doesn't seem to match with your behvaior over the past 36 hours. Can you expand on that. And why the good vibes on meg relative to rest of your null pile. And don't try to say it's because he's not done anything scummy. You said yourself that Kabazame's 1 post was solid and he's below Meg.
Osie is still just sitting there doing nutin at all.
Just asking people to make cases for him.
Lets lynch and move on.
unless you see her giant wall as a giant bundle of nothingness then I dont see how you can say shes doing nothing, regardless i didnt like her claim and still dont, actually there is some sense to saying shes doing nothing, because I dont believe much of her posts accomplish anything specific. Like what was the point of isoing almost everyone... seems like a bit much?
okay.. so
- I was under the wrong impression it was Shinichi who wanted me to claim. the first one who wanted me to claim was Osie, followed by the lecture of being a moderator or something. Shinichi insisted I fullclaim after I gave away my vig ability.
- said my answers to his questions were helpful, but has me as 'flailing' and scumlean in the end.
- unvoted LnG for the same 'bad form' reason he's accusing me of.
Vote: osieorb18
Because you're derailing town's focus. You're wasting time, which at this point is unacceptable.
I asked her to full claim because I was already suspecting that she was flailing as town under pressure rather than scum. I didn't expect that to be turned around with the talk of manipulation by partial claim of vig. Heck, I figured her other ability was something minor or investigative, not something like Roleblocker. I will take full responsibility for asking her to full claim, but at the same time, accepting that people are responding based on reads and how she responds, outside of scum motivations, which still don't include making the game unpleasant.
[@LnG] Also, Dawning is currently being quite helpful. Especially with her answers to the questions I asked, I don't think she's likely up for lynch until D3, unless something drastic happens to change that. You, on the other hand, are flailing.
[@Last] (I didn't particularly care about YOUR answer to questions 2 or C, though.)
8 tells me something about your reads, and B and D are completely self-serving, at least in your case, to better myself as a player via the opinions of a better player.
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@Tom I'm not joking giving Iso a few town points for you scum reading him. I feel like you have read him wrong in every game I've seen with both of you in it. And I think you might be scum reading him on burden of expectations. I'm not completely town reading him but I really like his interaction with DBS and his reads are lining up with what I'd expect (aka my reads). Also this is pure speculation but I suspect having 44% of posts coming from 3 players with 2000+ posts in a week makes his method of solving harder.
@Tom I'm not joking giving Iso a few town points for you scum reading him. I feel like you have read him wrong in every game I've seen with both of you in it. And I think you might be scum reading him on burden of expectations. I'm not completely town reading him but I really like his interaction with DBS and his reads are lining up with what I'd expect (aka my reads). Also this is pure speculation but I suspect having 44% of posts coming from 3 players with 2000+ posts in a week makes his method of solving harder.
damn
i was about to ask if you wanted to vote him to make 5-4-3-2-1 wagons
osi (5): kaba, kj, dv, whisper, dawning
whisper (4): tom, phoenix, osi, az
dawning (3): shin, lngrr, joe
iso (1): jenna
jenna (1): iso
killjoy (1): grape
@GrapeFruit21
Listen I know Dawn looks really bad this game, and sometimes I even question or not if im just being a biased idiot when I keep proclaiming she is town through her flip floppity behavior… but I really think this is her town game, and with that I can say at the same time I am still slightly ok with her lynch… @Phraze sorry
Maybe its because she reminds me of myself when I get scum read as town, I tend to force out a lot of things that make no sense, and tell to get lost in my forced reads. And that’s what she feels like to me, but in all honesty, this isn’t enough to convince anyone that shes town, and just how I feel about her.
The thought that she may be trying to pocket me did cross my mind, but in all honesty I just couldn’t see why, regardless of who I trust and don’t trust, I never let them dictate who my vote is on, and she specifically knows this, I tunnel hard and fail due to my own incompetence. Phraze knows that Im ez to push as scum day 1, she has seen this in almost every game we played together, so why pocket when you can get off an ez mislynch.
Her claim is a bit iffy though, like I understand that a roleblocker isn’t a town only role, but either way she should’ve been honest from the start, and I still see no need to claim, unless your close to getting lynched or in L2 or higher, like I hate claiming as much as my brother. There are town ways to claim and scummy ways to claim, and her soft claim, into a double role was as scummy as it gets imo… With that though, I still think that Orie, and Iso both had the scummiest role claims, both unneeded regardless of why they did it, and Iso’s “I take it back” was dumb, idk how I forgot about it lmao…
I’d rather work with her then see her go tonight… Like there are scummier people… and ill have my list down below of who I’m ok with lynching…
Lastly, this holds pretty much nothing, but she has no idea what my ability does…
I had more, but after a long day I can’t seem to remember what else I was gunna bring up :/
Some of these votes on her, like are so bad, does no one else see this, and same goes for votes on Jenna…
A 2000 post D1 with... like a week left is insane.
Yeah, how do you think it feels to replace into this mess? lol
I'm not going to lie, I still have like 20 pages to slog through. I haven't had a lot of time, and a lot of these posts aren't easy to read. Not only that, the game is still moving pretty quick so it takes me a while to read the new posts, let alone going back!
Anyway, I think LnGrrR's claim makes sense with his opening post. He did say "Btw, if you betray I am going to assume you are scum unless you note the reasons publicly, ahead of time. I will be paying attention.", the last line especially seems like he has some way of knowing if people betray or not. I suppose the role could be scum, but I haven't read him as scum outside of that.
Osie I still think is very shady. He gave up the Lngrr thing really quick and I don't really feel like he's actually scum hunting. I'll try to prepare a more detailed analysis of this but basically I'm seeing a lot of faked activity and it doesn't seem right.
I thought Phoenix(?) made a great point about LW trying to sell that Iso/DBS thing. I kind of think DBS and Iso are both town and he was assuming a DBS lynch today and setting up Iso for tomorrow. Of the two leading wagons I prefer LW but I think more people should look at Osie
I tend to make my reads based on reactions to my own posts, so it's been quite a struggle to get my footing while being so far behind :/
I really like most of the points in this post, just remove the point about my agenda and its perfect. Like I told Azrael who was the person who actually stated this, not Phoenix, I didn’t even recall Iso taking back her claim (which in its self is scummy and why no one pushed that is beyond me), what agenda would I push if everyone already thought she wasn’t vigilante, I guess I had a mind blank
I still don’t think the sensibility of Grrr’s quote and his role claim, say anything about this alignment, I still think he has a higher chance of flipping scum atm
I agree on the Osie bit indefinitely, I might need to ISO him/her to actually find some decent reasons to actively push her.
If you are expecting a lean list, then you will be disappointed.
Will not lynch today:
Kabazame
Tomsloger
Jenna Tolaria
Megiddo
Grapefruit21
Phoenix-Fire
Axelrod
Neutral:
DV (idk how I feel about his anger)
Dawningbluesky (???)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (his tunnel disgusts me)
Will lynch:
osieorb18
Azrael
Killjoy
LnGrrrR
Iso
Shinichi
One more note, I don’t think Jenna’s weird past self, present self fiasco, proves shes town or proves she is scum. All and all she is posting, old and new, and giving us fine points, so how anyone can come to assumption she is scum right now, I can only think that they are scum
Color coded some of the more alarming parts. But yeah his read doesn't sound anything like the way he's been handling DBS all game. Or OMGUS'ing on her behalf repeatedly. Especially note that even as he places her in neutral he still calls Terry's tunnel bad. Which wut? Also note telegraphing the Osie vote testing the waters but basically saying he has nothing to say Osie is scum.
I don't think the tells I'm seeing from her now would be easily faked. And if her role functions as described, some amount of confusion is not unthinkable.
*thinks* vote jenna. I don't see any good reason for the self imposed, detached posting style.
Are you really saying that DBS did/said something different between the time that you voted for her and this unvote that constituted a "town tell?" That was different from the posting DBS has been making this entire game? I am finding that hard to believe. Can you give me some examples of this?
I also quite liked Osie's big post just now. That's a bravo performance if it is coming from scum.
The complexity of her post does not make her any less scummy, there is nothing that states that scum cant make very towny walls to create a shroud over themselves keeps them looking towny
So that's a non sequitur. It's true that walls are not inherently townie. I agree and I have caught scum because they just make nonsense walls with fake reads. But that's not what he's saying. He's saying it's not just long, but also townie, but Osie isn't townier for making a townie post. Either the post is townie and you give Osie credit or you don't think the post is townie, just trying to be. Also hate the part focusing on the complexity. Feels like trying to discredit when he just said he needed to read and make up his mind on Osie. This suggests his mind was already made up.
no slip the reason I said that was because Iso claimed he was the vigi, but at that time, Dawn had already fulled claimed, and was the graverobber? with two abilities, so hench her CC made no sense. Thats all it was, but if this makes you scum read Iso then I'm all for it lmao.
Like the spoiler title says it all. This makes no sense on any level.
whisper/iso/[idk prolly a lurker and someone im townreading]?
i think that fact that iso didnt say anything to that post when he was, like, actively arguing with whisper at the time.
like, didnt he want to know wtf whisper meant with that?
also cant say why Iso didnt question me harder after saying that...
I mean I guess he tries to answer it here, but I'm not a fan of the he's scum for not pushing me for being scummy argument.
heading off for the night... @Tomslonger the only time I've ever scum slipped is when I threw Grape's game because I pinged my fellow scum mates in the main chat, and the game was ended prematurely, and honestly you cant even scum slip when your not scum... lol
Osie is still just sitting there doing nutin at all.
Just asking people to make cases for him.
Lets lynch and move on.
unless you see her giant wall as a giant bundle of nothingness then I dont see how you can say shes doing nothing, regardless i didnt like her claim and still dont, actually there is some sense to saying shes doing nothing, because I dont believe much of her posts accomplish anything specific. Like what was the point of isoing almost everyone... seems like a bit much?
So scum for being agendaless, for a claim (of neighborizor), and for too much effort. Seems legit.
Anyway this vote on Osie is weak, on poor reasoning, feels opportunistic, and feels like he was testing the waters before he made it.
Also his stated read on DBS does not match up at all with his behavior this game. I just don't buy him turning around and saying "ehhhhh I guess I'd lynch her" after the way he has played this day at all. Just completely don't believe it. Let's lynch scum.
Last is never getting lynched before DBS. The pocket vibes were much stronger from DBS' direction than the other way.
Also I agree with everything Alexrod is saying. Let's lynch LnGrrrR and figure it out tomorrow.
I explain it down below, but at the time of that post the vibes were much more you had pocketed LW and he was being his scummy townself. But his read on you and the way he hopped on the Osie wagon is enough to move past that. Especially given that you've been more townie in the last 400ish posts and LW hasn't been.
(EBWOP) he certainly *isn't asking people to make cases for him.
How caught up are you on a scale of 1-10? And while you're doing your thing on Osie if you're caught up enough; do you have an opinion on LW? What about LnGrrrR?
@LnGrrrR
I hope you can answer this.. what do you think of Grapefruit pushing your lynch ever since his first post?
I don't think it is scummy. I don't particularly know the motivation behind it, but I have tunnelled before. Couple that with the fact that my first post was heavily scum read (which I disagree it should be but whatever) and I am fine giving GF a townlean for now. If he is scum coasting, that will make itself known.
The one thing that gives me pause is that I usually view GF as being more analytic. I haven't seen that much, but I can wait.
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lets talk about iso
what do you think of the moving parts in his reads?
not sure what you mean by moving parts?
isnt that, like, his thing?
i expect a bit more nonsense out of a scum iso that I'm not seeing here, but i'll take a look, hold on
Are you really saying that DBS did/said something different between the time that you voted for her and this unvote that constituted a "town tell?" That was different from the posting DBS has been making this entire game? I am finding that hard to believe. Can you give me some examples of this?
Please?
I also quite liked Osie's big post just now. That's a bravo performance if it is coming from scum.
Listen I know Dawn looks really bad this game, and sometimes I even question or not if im just being a biased idiot when I keep proclaiming she is town through her flip floppity behavior… but I really think this is her town game, and with that I can say at the same time I am still slightly ok with her lynch… @Phraze sorry
Maybe its because she reminds me of myself when I get scum read as town, I tend to force out a lot of things that make no sense, and tell to get lost in my forced reads. And that’s what she feels like to me, but in all honesty, this isn’t enough to convince anyone that shes town, and just how I feel about her.
I really like most of the points in this post, just remove the point about my agenda and its perfect. Like I told Azrael who was the person who actually stated this, not Phoenix, I didn’t even recall Iso taking back her claim (which in its self is scummy and why no one pushed that is beyond me), what agenda would I push if everyone already thought she wasn’t vigilante, I guess I had a mind blank
If you are expecting a lean list, then you will be disappointed.
Will not lynch today:
Kabazame
Tomsloger
Jenna Tolaria
Megiddo
Grapefruit21
Phoenix-Fire
Axelrod
Neutral:
DV (idk how I feel about his anger)
Dawningbluesky (???)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (his tunnel disgusts me)
Will lynch:
osieorb18
Azrael
Killjoy
LnGrrrR
Iso
Shinichi
One more note, I don’t think Jenna’s weird past self, present self fiasco, proves shes town or proves she is scum. All and all she is posting, old and new, and giving us fine points, so how anyone can come to assumption she is scum right now, I can only think that they are scum
but, you know, I'm very pro Actually Reading The Post and not being impressed because it's long
Be grateful, always."
i see what you mean actually, but is that out of his townrange?
Be grateful, always."
Well, I didn't read all of it, certainly not in detail. I mostly skimmed. But enough to see what he was doing.
He also made it easier to read than yours, you know, with the spoilers
Still going to read it though. Just don't know when.
but
ok so like his main push right now is jenna. i dont believe thats ever the target of someone whos main objective is to solve a game. like, i kinda think shes town but i fully understand scumreading her. but how do you hunt for her team? thats, like, the thing that gets me. its just, jenna is scum because what shes doing is scummy. thats fine on its own. but theres no sign of him looking at how people react to her. he says theres no way all the wagons are on town but he doesnt compare them.
idk maybe its too early for that but we're well past the time he solved sg1 or the invitational and he hasn't even begun.
ive taken to just doing micro cases and going through my own iso and beatifully formatting them into a wall with neat little spoilered sections.
havent done it as much on mtgs but thats the only way i make cases in a mash other than overnight post prep
never underestimate the power of pretty bbcode
the likelihood of me getting to L-2 will be late in the Day, and we wouldn't be able to figure anyone else out during that time. my claiming early was a 'cut loss' move, besides cracking down on the possible rolefishing going around - Osie brought up his Neighborizer, and there was plenty of BP speculation.
has it ever cross your mind though, that I'm pocketing you because I know you're an easy mislynch, and there might be a team behind me to create a diversion when necessary? I've done that before, and Grapefruit has witnessed it.
also, I think you missed my question. what do you think of Shinichi? I've been trying to make sense of why he kept insisting I should fullclaim, if I dared to softclaim. it could be rolefishing.
Be grateful, always."
for example, I townread Last/Terry due to how quickly their tied trains built up. it was an in-game happening, and influential to the gamestate, so I had confidence that my read wasn't off. it might not be convincing to anyone, or I can't really say it, but it's there. (I said before that Last was neutral, moved up to townlean after the tie, and defended him ever since.)
Be grateful, always."
i feel like im holding him to this impossible standard. like, i havent cased anyone. in, like, awhile. my reads are just sort of... whats occurred to me so far. but my stated goal isnt to catch the team. im all about lynching scummy people and figuring it out later.
but its not that im expecting him to have Solved The Game by now. But i am expecting some sign that it's.. what he's working towards.
i think that fact that iso didnt say anything to that post when he was, like, actively arguing with whisper at the time.
like, didnt he want to know wtf whisper meant with that?
Osie is still just sitting there doing nutin at all.
Just asking people to make cases for him.
Lets lynch and move on.
Please?
Thank you.
So just to be clear you aren't really town reading DBS now that you've looked into it and tried to find reasons? Not that you're scum reading her either, just that you're not strongly town reading her anymore.
@Osie I will read your long post, only read the section on me and the conclusion so far. First I'm suprised you have DBS that low on your reads list. Doesn't seem to match with your behvaior over the past 36 hours. Can you expand on that. And why the good vibes on meg relative to rest of your null pile. And don't try to say it's because he's not done anything scummy. You said yourself that Kabazame's 1 post was solid and he's below Meg.
I don't think you're scum. Haven't all game, but you're wrong about Osie. Or at least you are pending more reading of that giant post.
- I was under the wrong impression it was Shinichi who wanted me to claim. the first one who wanted me to claim was Osie, followed by the lecture of being a moderator or something. Shinichi insisted I fullclaim after I gave away my vig ability.
- said my answers to his questions were helpful, but has me as 'flailing' and scumlean in the end.
- unvoted LnG for the same 'bad form' reason he's accusing me of.
Vote: osieorb18
Be grateful, always."
Vote: LastWhisper
i was about to ask if you wanted to vote him to make 5-4-3-2-1 wagons
osi (5): kaba, kj, dv, whisper, dawning
whisper (4): tom, phoenix, osi, az
dawning (3): shin, lngrr, joe
iso (1): jenna
jenna (1): iso
killjoy (1): grape
Not Voting (2): megs, axel
unvote, vote iso
osi (5): kaba, kj, dv, whisper, dawning
whisper (4): phoenix, osi, az, grape
dawning (3): shin, lngrr, joe
iso (2): jenna, tom
jenna (1): iso
Not Voting (2): megs, axel
Be grateful, always."
On the other hand those 3 votes that just piled on make me uneasy
Unvote
for now. I'm going to at least prepare an actual case on Osi before I leave my vote there.
Anyway this vote on Osie is weak, on poor reasoning, feels opportunistic, and feels like he was testing the waters before he made it.
Also his stated read on DBS does not match up at all with his behavior this game. I just don't buy him turning around and saying "ehhhhh I guess I'd lynch her" after the way he has played this day at all. Just completely don't believe it. Let's lynch scum.
Osie is still just sitting there doing nutin at all.
Just asking people to make cases for him.
Lets lynch and move on.[/quote]
Can you explain this? I wouldn't say he's "doing nutin" and he certainly is asking people to make cases for him.
He's very clearly putting the work in, reading posts, ISOs, etc. I mean that post was pretty big if nothing else
I explain it down below, but at the time of that post the vibes were much more you had pocketed LW and he was being his scummy townself. But his read on you and the way he hopped on the Osie wagon is enough to move past that. Especially given that you've been more townie in the last 400ish posts and LW hasn't been.
(EBWOP) he certainly *isn't asking people to make cases for him.
How caught up are you on a scale of 1-10? And while you're doing your thing on Osie if you're caught up enough; do you have an opinion on LW? What about LnGrrrR?
I don't think it is scummy. I don't particularly know the motivation behind it, but I have tunnelled before. Couple that with the fact that my first post was heavily scum read (which I disagree it should be but whatever) and I am fine giving GF a townlean for now. If he is scum coasting, that will make itself known.
The one thing that gives me pause is that I usually view GF as being more analytic. I haven't seen that much, but I can wait.
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