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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm going to believe town!Iso for now. His post 3292 (can we agree on LW or me?) felt townie. If scum!Iso killed town!DV, who was pretty much Iso's biggest defender... well that's some next level scumplay there. I'm fine with utilizing Occam's Razor here.
I get this, but I am not fine with it. What I have learned is that scum so stuff for reasons you just can't explain. And trying to clear someone because he was being Townread by the NK is bad.
The thing I don't get though... if Iso is town, why didn't scum just jump on him? Maybe all of them did and they couldn't convince enough? Iso was at 7 votes for awhile, and so was LW
Is Iso is Town, then Iso/GF was T/T and the scum wouldn't really care, would they? It would almost be more surprising to see scum switching at the last minute from one Town wagon to another.
also Shinichi
I clearly said I'd betray so why in the hell did you ally???
Wait, you wanted to be betrayed last night? So basically you wanted no one to get any BP? How does that possibly help?
This goes back to what I said before, but it makes zero sense to have a "I am auto betraying tonight" policy when your role has nothing to do with that.
I didnt gift anyone last night lol, but if I did? itd probably be D.V who is now dead, and maybe Axel? I am still skeptical about everyone, so I didnt want to give points to possible scum. But now that I am at 6BP I can be less stingy...
@Az, please explain why you think you have any credibility in this game right now.
Indeed.
Vote: Azrael
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axel, while the NK is to some degree WIFOM, I still think overall scum uses their NK in a strategic way (killing good players/players that are onto them) rather than randomly firing into town. We may not know the true reason but we can make educated guesses, in the same sense where we can try to determine the difference between a townie lynching scum and a scumbus.
Re: EoD wagons, if LW is scum, then maybe scum was concerned about townies jumping to that wagon, and so when DV voted GF, they jumped on that as a way to ensure both wagons were town at EoD. I think they tried to get Iso lynched, couldn't wring the last few votes out of town, and so decided to move to another town lynch. One kink in this theory is that you would think that they'd keep D_V alive to incriminate him for starting the GF wagon.
Vote Azrael
Before you make that reread, what's your current scumteam?
Because besides next level WIFOM, if Az was telling the truth, his only smart move would be to betray. (It's the only guaranteed way not to lose a BP.) And Iso should've betrayed also, meaning he'd be at -1 BP. If Iso was at +2, then Az was lying. I figured Az wouldn't be dumb enough to incriminate himself but people make mistakes sometimes.
And yes, I can use my ability to determine if someone betrayed or allied.
I don't suppose you used this last night? Az/Iso was a mandatory Betray/Betray scenario last night based on their statements in the thread, but obviously if they are M/M they wouldn't actually want to do that....I was hoping you might have targeting Iso.
Oh please. How does someone gambit, based on that? And how is this just not a straightforward way to identify which townies were gunning to power themselves up, vs. which townies didn't mind being betrayed to power up better roles.
Vs. Last Whisler who was doing...what?
I don't particularly care whether I have any credibility or not. My job is to play my hardest, and give my best information, regardless of whether anyone believes me. If the thread can't read me correctly just because the scum managed to use CFD panic to derail us from one of our good lynch targets (Iso) to an apparent bad one, well, I'm sure you're doing the best you can, but that's a misread.
So, the SCUM derailed us from Iso onto Grapefruit yesterday?
Um, who was the one leading that charge, Az? Is this some kind of revisionist history you are inventing?
If not you, then by all means, tell us, which of the SCUM did the derailing and CFDing yesterday.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I agree with Axel that it's weird that the scum switched from me to Grapefruit; both were viable mislynches. Maybe they just thought they couldn't push the lynch fully through on me.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Why do you both think Iso is still scum, I mean both our trains derailed, but also neither of us got lynched...
Why wouldn't we? He voted GF instead of LW, and said that he wasn't going to be around the rest of the day to change his vote. Which was a lie - he did stick around. That lie and that vote contributed to changing the vote-count such that GF could be mislynched.
Despite your statement yesterday about dying if you get betrayed, I note your aliveness. So, were you just full of it then?
I have an ability that I may or may not have used n1. Using that ability, and also being on the wrong side of an ally/betrayal pairing in the same night, would result in my death. As I mentioned to someone yesterday regarding my possible death, "but seriously, it's in the cards", if betrayed. It was never a guarantee of death if anyone betrays me no matter what, but if I chose to ally with someone and it turned out badly, I wanted it on record that a betrayal could have been the cause.
Truth and information for the town on one hand, but also a trap for greedy scum gunning for a kill, as I'd be able to show up the next day and run them into the ground if they didn't have a damn good explanation. Not much of a trap, as things played out, but that was the intention.
I was thinking about doing so, but I didn't. I would've been down to 1 BP if I had done so, and it would be publicly known. I was thinking about targeting Az actually, but in hindsight, would've made more sense to hit Iso. I figured that 1) that dichotomy is likely to be determined toDay and 2) I want more info before I fire.
Also, if there is an ability that can take away 1 BP, then we'll have to be careful about setting ourselves at 1 BP. I'm assuming that the 1 BP loss is in scum hands if town!Iso.
BTW, for those not following along, I'm currently at 4 BP and my ability uses 2 BP.
Good catch Axel.
@Az,
D_V was the first vote on the wagon. He's town. DBS was the 2nd vote. Whisper was 3rd. You were 4th. So why aren't you voting DBS?
I take it you are assuming the opposite of me, that there was a wagon between scum!Iso and town!LW and scum moved to Grapefruit. If so, who's the scum on the Iso wagon?
Iso (7): tomsloger, Lastwhisper, Jenna Tolaria, Azrael, killjoy, dawningbluesky, Axelrod
LnGrrr: saying that DV was the first to vote for GF is highly misleading. That was an Az case from start to finish. He might not have always been voting for GF, but he was the primary pusher.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
assuming the opposite of me, that there was a wagon between scum!Iso and town!LW and scum moved to Grapefruit. If so, who's the scum on the Iso wagon?
Give me a chance to do the research first. Obviously, I messed up some POE yesterday and need to be more thorough this round.
Terry - Do we need to know that info to catch scum for some reason? If he's town, I'd rather they don't know if they need to plan around his ability or not.
@Az: So that your buddies can't dance around their claims. As I've already said.
Yes, I happened to be able to find time to post in the last two hours of Day - I didn't lie, I genuinely didn't expect to be able to watch the thread as I was having company that night. But thanks for trying to smear me for OoG reasons.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Lngrr - I guess my gut instinct for the scum on the iso wagon is Tom, maybe Jenna or Axel. Axel seems unlikely to me, and Tom is still mostly POE, with a dose of skepticism related to how he didn't commit his vote yesterday after showing up at the very end. If he's scum, it looks like the shiny new scum Cadillac who's doing the best job of flying under the radar trying to keep his car body squeaky clean. Jenna - I'm worried that Jenna could be a "kill the weird person" lynch, but there's not a ton of room in my current POE for her not to be scum. But, if I pinpoint where my POE is wrong, that could definitely impact that read.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sooner than we can expect to see you back to your normal townie self, I'd imagine. 3600 posts in, and I've yet to see any real efforts towards finding the scum team. I've seen plenty of defense - trying to get you killed has certainly spurred your self-preservation instinct - but you've yet to put any serious effort into finding a comprehensive scum team. And that's not you. Don't tell me you don't have the time - you clearly have the time to call me scum repeatedly, and without any basis other than the mislynch you helped engineer. But time for finding actual scum? Not on your priority list. And that remains a damning point against you.
And if you're suggesting that I'm not putting in serious effort into trying to solve this game, I'm just going to sit here and let you imagine the face I'm making in your direction.
@LW and only LW: Why do you think DV was killed last night?
I have no god damn clue??
Could be b/c he town read me kinda?
Could be cause his aggressive tone scares them?
Could be because he had scum in his sights at one point?
maybe they assumed his ability was strong because he'd probably die if betrayed or be close it? I mean its a decent assumption, and since they didnt need to worry about grrs ability because he stated it, with that, announcing his ability makes it easier for scum to work around it... so I personally cant think of decent reasons for him to out his role...
Also Grr's role seems pretty costly for being so weak...
Sooner than we can expect to see you back to your normal townie self, I'd imagine. 3600 posts in, and I've yet to see any real efforts towards finding the scum team. I've seen plenty of defense - trying to get you killed has certainly spurred your self-preservation instinct - but you've yet to put any serious effort into finding a comprehensive scum team. And that's not you. Don't tell me you don't have the time - you clearly have the time to call me scum repeatedly, and without any basis other than the mislynch you helped engineer. But time for finding actual scum? Not on your priority list. And that remains a damning point against you.
This is why Az is scum people. Town Az (or Town anyone, I think) does not try to distort the record like this. Az was about 99.99% more responsible for that mislynch than Iso (and I'm not even calling Iso Town).
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Sooner than we can expect to see you back to your normal townie self, I'd imagine. 3600 posts in, and I've yet to see any real efforts towards finding the scum team. I've seen plenty of defense - trying to get you killed has certainly spurred your self-preservation instinct - but you've yet to put any serious effort into finding a comprehensive scum team. And that's not you. Don't tell me you don't have the time - you clearly have the time to call me scum repeatedly, and without any basis other than the mislynch you helped engineer. But time for finding actual scum? Not on your priority list. And that remains a damning point against you.
This is why Az is scum people. Town Az (or Town anyone, I think) does not try to distort the record like this. Az was about 99.99% more responsible for that mislynch than Iso (and I'm not even calling Iso Town).
Sooner than we can expect to see you back to your normal townie self, I'd imagine. 3600 posts in, and I've yet to see any real efforts towards finding the scum team. I've seen plenty of defense - trying to get you killed has certainly spurred your self-preservation instinct - but you've yet to put any serious effort into finding a comprehensive scum team. And that's not you. Don't tell me you don't have the time - you clearly have the time to call me scum repeatedly, and without any basis other than the mislynch you helped engineer. But time for finding actual scum? Not on your priority list. And that remains a damning point against you.
I think you missed the part where I already solved the game with about 1/40th the effort it normally takes. But I don't need to convince you of who the scum team is - you're on it, so you already know I'm right!
Sooner than we can expect to see you back to your normal townie self, I'd imagine. 3600 posts in, and I've yet to see any real efforts towards finding the scum team. I've seen plenty of defense - trying to get you killed has certainly spurred your self-preservation instinct - but you've yet to put any serious effort into finding a comprehensive scum team. And that's not you. Don't tell me you don't have the time - you clearly have the time to call me scum repeatedly, and without any basis other than the mislynch you helped engineer. But time for finding actual scum? Not on your priority list. And that remains a damning point against you.
This is why Az is scum people. Town Az (or Town anyone, I think) does not try to distort the record like this. Az was about 99.99% more responsible for that mislynch than Iso (and I'm not even calling Iso Town).
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As I stated, I was 100% against the Grapefruit lynch on Day 1, but I wasn't going to let us walk away from a 3500-post Day 1 with no flip.
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This is why Az is scum people. Town Az (or Town anyone, I think) does not try to distort the record like this. Az was about 99.99% more responsible for that mislynch than Iso (and I'm not even calling Iso Town).
I put Grapefruit on the map. I was happy to do so. I was equally happy to kill Iso. I also put Iso on the map. Between the two of them, I had no strong preference, and that's where Iso's vote kicked in,and made it easier for DBS to call for the CFD onto Grape, allowing Iso to survive. I don't blame Iso for putting Grape on the map, he didn't, and I don't even really blame all that much for picking Grape over himself, that's to be expected. But did he help Grape get lynched, in part by making Grape look like the only viable wagon given that he was supposedly running off, never to return? Yes. And that did tip the scales, as we were desperately trying to figure out which of 3-4 different wagons were going to be viable.
Hey, guys - remember that time Grapefruit flipped scum?
Me, neither.
Oh, you mean I was right? What a complete and utter surprise!
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No ***** I voted to betray you last Night.
I’m in favor of an Ally/Betray claim from the previous Night.
Also, someone targeted me with an ability that caused me to lose 1 BP last Night.
Given the fact that LW didn't choose to use his ability on anyone, could LW have taken the BP from you? He claimed an ability that was the exact opposite of this.
But he's such a scummy player and IDK maybe he's not? :/
I don't even know what to make of this game anymore. I was so sure Grape was scum. I was sure Osie was scum but I'm doubting that too now.
Blahhhhhhhhhhhh.
Also the Az wagojn is moving quite fast (although LnGrrR ivoted twice for some reason? Oh right he unvoted nvm. Ehhh maybe it isn't? It only got up to 4?
@Iso, did you gain 3 BP last Night or not? (Technically 2 BP if you lost one.)
why did you say 3?
Because besides next level WIFOM, if Az was telling the truth, his only smart move would be to betray. (It's the only guaranteed way not to lose a BP.) And Iso should've betrayed also, meaning he'd be at -1 BP. If Iso was at +2, then Az was lying. I figured Az wouldn't be dumb enough to incriminate himself but people make mistakes sometimes.
And yes, I can use my ability to determine if someone betrayed or allied.
Why would Iso lose a BP if he betrays?
Bahhhhhh I'll try to reread this game in a couple days? I've been working pretty consistantly for the past like... week or so. Day off is Sunday.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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KJ, why are you making everything a question? Iso would have lost a NO only if he betrayed and Az allied.
LW, I am aware it is expensive, hence my incredulity at many of the claims. It is also why I put such importance on betrayal. My ability requires a lot to go right. There's some piece of the puzzle I am missing.
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@Azreal
Why do you both think Iso is still scum, I mean both our trains derailed, but also neither of us got lynched...
Like scum could just have easily gone with the flow with the Grape move, and get a townie lynched, and that would still leave some traction for my and Isos lynch today...
also Shinichi
I clearly said I'd betray so why in the hell did you ally???
D.V and grrr were probably the only ones I wouldnt have betrayed, but of course I wasnt gunna say that....
I had some trust in my own god damn brother lol, but oh well :/. You just made it alot harder for me to use my ability which could really help town in the long run.
I think you missed the part where I already solved the game with about 1/40th the effort it normally takes. But I don't need to convince you of who the scum team is - you're on it, so you already know I'm right!
Yeah, Iso, I tied you and GF together, based on how he seemed to be falsely taking credit for putting you on the map, pointing out your weird attempt to buddy up to me and Axel, but he hesitated to actually vote you.
also I betrayed b/c I didnt want to haphazardly give scum BP, so why would give free bp to anyone...
and It was also to see who was paying attnetion to the game. and possibly clear someone. Like Shin is most def cleared to me, so i'll def be returning the favor tmr.
That is bs, holy ***** i want to vote you. That means you thought I was scum, when did you ever scum read me?
Nah your right in a way i would have betrayed you if you were a scum read.
KJ, why are you making everything a question? Iso would have lost a NO only if he betrayed and Az allied.
LW, I am aware it is expensive, hence my incredulity at many of the claims. It is also why I put such importance on betrayal. My ability requires a lot to go right. There's some piece of the puzzle I am missing.
???
Iso would have gained 3 BP if Iso betrayed and Az allied. What is a NO?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yeah, Iso, I tied you and GF together, based on how he seemed to be falsely taking credit for putting you on the map, pointing out your weird attempt to buddy up to me and Axel, but he hesitated to actually vote you.
Ah, so you're moving the goalposts, then. That's cute.
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also Shinichi
I clearly said I'd betray so why in the hell did you ally???
D.V and grrr were probably the only ones I wouldnt have betrayed, but of course I wasnt gunna say that....
I had some trust in my own god damn brother lol, but oh well :/. You just made it alot harder for me to use my ability which could really help town in the long run.
KJ, why are you making everything a question? Iso would have lost a NO only if he betrayed and Az allied.
LW, I am aware it is expensive, hence my incredulity at many of the claims. It is also why I put such importance on betrayal. My ability requires a lot to go right. There's some piece of the puzzle I am missing.
???
Iso would have gained 3 BP if Iso betrayed and Az allied. What is a NO?
I agree with Axel that it's weird that the scum switched from me to Grapefruit; both were viable mislynches. Maybe they just thought they couldn't push the lynch fully through on me.
Ah, so you're moving the goalposts, then. That's cute.
What goalposts? There are no goalposts in this conversation. I'd like to spike a beach volleyball straight into your face, but instead I clarified your question about who tied ypu and gf together, and you're bringing up goalposts as some kind of nonsensical non sequitur as your comeback.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I was having doubts as to your alignment by EoD.
Why are you suddenly townreading me?
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Despite your statement yesterday about dying if you get betrayed, I note your aliveness. So, were you just full of it then?
I get this, but I am not fine with it. What I have learned is that scum so stuff for reasons you just can't explain. And trying to clear someone because he was being Townread by the NK is bad.
Is Iso is Town, then Iso/GF was T/T and the scum wouldn't really care, would they? It would almost be more surprising to see scum switching at the last minute from one Town wagon to another.
Wait, you wanted to be betrayed last night? So basically you wanted no one to get any BP? How does that possibly help?
This goes back to what I said before, but it makes zero sense to have a "I am auto betraying tonight" policy when your role has nothing to do with that.
Oh God, can you really be this bad?
I am having trouble believing these stances.
Indeed.
Vote: Azrael
Re: EoD wagons, if LW is scum, then maybe scum was concerned about townies jumping to that wagon, and so when DV voted GF, they jumped on that as a way to ensure both wagons were town at EoD. I think they tried to get Iso lynched, couldn't wring the last few votes out of town, and so decided to move to another town lynch. One kink in this theory is that you would think that they'd keep D_V alive to incriminate him for starting the GF wagon.
Vote Azrael
Before you make that reread, what's your current scumteam?
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I don't suppose you used this last night? Az/Iso was a mandatory Betray/Betray scenario last night based on their statements in the thread, but obviously if they are M/M they wouldn't actually want to do that....I was hoping you might have targeting Iso.
Vs. Last Whisler who was doing...what?
So, the SCUM derailed us from Iso onto Grapefruit yesterday?
Um, who was the one leading that charge, Az? Is this some kind of revisionist history you are inventing?
If not you, then by all means, tell us, which of the SCUM did the derailing and CFDing yesterday.
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I'm not going to be focusing solely on the wagon. I'm going to read Terry, Osie, Tom, Jenna, and Iso.
Of course they did. But unless someone did something suspicious, why do we need to know this?
Why wouldn't we? He voted GF instead of LW, and said that he wasn't going to be around the rest of the day to change his vote. Which was a lie - he did stick around. That lie and that vote contributed to changing the vote-count such that GF could be mislynched.
I have an ability that I may or may not have used n1. Using that ability, and also being on the wrong side of an ally/betrayal pairing in the same night, would result in my death. As I mentioned to someone yesterday regarding my possible death, "but seriously, it's in the cards", if betrayed. It was never a guarantee of death if anyone betrays me no matter what, but if I chose to ally with someone and it turned out badly, I wanted it on record that a betrayal could have been the cause.
Truth and information for the town on one hand, but also a trap for greedy scum gunning for a kill, as I'd be able to show up the next day and run them into the ground if they didn't have a damn good explanation. Not much of a trap, as things played out, but that was the intention.
I was thinking about doing so, but I didn't. I would've been down to 1 BP if I had done so, and it would be publicly known. I was thinking about targeting Az actually, but in hindsight, would've made more sense to hit Iso. I figured that 1) that dichotomy is likely to be determined toDay and 2) I want more info before I fire.
Also, if there is an ability that can take away 1 BP, then we'll have to be careful about setting ourselves at 1 BP. I'm assuming that the 1 BP loss is in scum hands if town!Iso.
BTW, for those not following along, I'm currently at 4 BP and my ability uses 2 BP.
Good catch Axel.
@Az,
D_V was the first vote on the wagon. He's town. DBS was the 2nd vote. Whisper was 3rd. You were 4th. So why aren't you voting DBS?
I take it you are assuming the opposite of me, that there was a wagon between scum!Iso and town!LW and scum moved to Grapefruit. If so, who's the scum on the Iso wagon?
Iso (7): tomsloger, Lastwhisper, Jenna Tolaria, Azrael, killjoy, dawningbluesky, Axelrod
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Give me a chance to do the research first. Obviously, I messed up some POE yesterday and need to be more thorough this round.
Terry - Do we need to know that info to catch scum for some reason? If he's town, I'd rather they don't know if they need to plan around his ability or not.
Yes, I happened to be able to find time to post in the last two hours of Day - I didn't lie, I genuinely didn't expect to be able to watch the thread as I was having company that night. But thanks for trying to smear me for OoG reasons.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sooner than we can expect to see you back to your normal townie self, I'd imagine. 3600 posts in, and I've yet to see any real efforts towards finding the scum team. I've seen plenty of defense - trying to get you killed has certainly spurred your self-preservation instinct - but you've yet to put any serious effort into finding a comprehensive scum team. And that's not you. Don't tell me you don't have the time - you clearly have the time to call me scum repeatedly, and without any basis other than the mislynch you helped engineer. But time for finding actual scum? Not on your priority list. And that remains a damning point against you.
@Az, give me your quick gut instinct on the wagon.
@JTS, no, I didn't. Also, I'm at 5 BP, not 4. Forgot to add 1 the 1 BP from the Ally.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Absolutely. Why don't we just have everyone full-claim, and then they really can't dance around their claims?
(This is sarcasm.)
The town survives by being secretive about their role-claim info. Not spilling it into the open for you to capitalize on, to create a hit-list.
Could be b/c he town read me kinda?
Could be cause his aggressive tone scares them?
Could be because he had scum in his sights at one point?
maybe they assumed his ability was strong because he'd probably die if betrayed or be close it? I mean its a decent assumption, and since they didnt need to worry about grrs ability because he stated it, with that, announcing his ability makes it easier for scum to work around it... so I personally cant think of decent reasons for him to out his role...
Also Grr's role seems pretty costly for being so weak...
This is why Az is scum people. Town Az (or Town anyone, I think) does not try to distort the record like this. Az was about 99.99% more responsible for that mislynch than Iso (and I'm not even calling Iso Town).
I think you missed the part where I already solved the game with about 1/40th the effort it normally takes. But I don't need to convince you of who the scum team is - you're on it, so you already know I'm right!
>implying scumIso wouldn't have already figured out the biggest PRs in the game to target
+1
As I stated, I was 100% against the Grapefruit lynch on Day 1, but I wasn't going to let us walk away from a 3500-post Day 1 with no flip.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I put Grapefruit on the map. I was happy to do so. I was equally happy to kill Iso. I also put Iso on the map. Between the two of them, I had no strong preference, and that's where Iso's vote kicked in,and made it easier for DBS to call for the CFD onto Grape, allowing Iso to survive. I don't blame Iso for putting Grape on the map, he didn't, and I don't even really blame all that much for picking Grape over himself, that's to be expected. But did he help Grape get lynched, in part by making Grape look like the only viable wagon given that he was supposedly running off, never to return? Yes. And that did tip the scales, as we were desperately trying to figure out which of 3-4 different wagons were going to be viable.
But he's such a scummy player and IDK maybe he's not? :/
I don't even know what to make of this game anymore. I was so sure Grape was scum. I was sure Osie was scum but I'm doubting that too now.
Blahhhhhhhhhhhh.
Also the Az wagojn is moving quite fast (although LnGrrR ivoted twice for some reason? Oh right he unvoted nvm. Ehhh maybe it isn't? It only got up to 4?
Why would Iso lose a BP if he betrays?
Bahhhhhh I'll try to reread this game in a couple days? I've been working pretty consistantly for the past like... week or so. Day off is Sunday.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
LW, I am aware it is expensive, hence my incredulity at many of the claims. It is also why I put such importance on betrayal. My ability requires a lot to go right. There's some piece of the puzzle I am missing.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Why are you in favor of revealing that info? Unless your supporting LNG plan there should be no reason.
what?
I had some trust in my own god damn brother lol, but oh well :/. You just made it alot harder for me to use my ability which could really help town in the long run.
Wait, you have a scum team? Since when, and why?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
If hes a gifter I think the opposite of the role exists and thats how iso lost 1 bp. Unless obviously LW is lieing.
What do you think?
That is bs, holy ***** i want to vote you. That means you thought I was scum, when did you ever scum read me?
Nah your right in a way i would have betrayed you if you were a scum read.
Iso would have gained 3 BP if Iso betrayed and Az allied. What is a NO?
Because I don't want scum to have wiggle room in their claims. Are you reading my posts?
Ah, so you're moving the goalposts, then. That's cute.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Ha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ha! Hahahahahaha
It was one of my page 47ish reads.
What goalposts? There are no goalposts in this conversation. I'd like to spike a beach volleyball straight into your face, but instead I clarified your question about who tied ypu and gf together, and you're bringing up goalposts as some kind of nonsensical non sequitur as your comeback.
Also is this a scum slip? Osie didn't have to make that chat happen. Actually I was surprised he did. He said he was extending an olive branch.
How do you know what had one?