Don't do this. Step back if you need to, but do not resort to this.
Jenna please don't respond.
Yeah, I know. I have been trying really hard to put up with certain people and Jenna decided to go personal. My comment was justified and I agree we need to move on and stop. It was mostly to emphasize the point that she crossed a line.
By "ego" I meant your role in this game. "Alter ego" was adroit since "nurse" is your claim.
That would have made sense if this was danganronpa idk how anyone was suppose to realize that
My apologies. I would never intentionally attack someone personally. I see no reason to do so when the report button is right there.
Although, I believe I did call D_V and Iso trolls at one point, but that wasn't meant as a personal attack; it was an explanation for why I was disengaging with them. Also, my apologies for all the typos. I'm currently in the dark IRL and can't see clearly what I'm typing.
I do agree that azreal wording of that list is very off and very manipulative for my taste. I dont consider tom a puppetmaster more of an outside the box thinker
And that's what makes him good at what he does. He's disarming, good-humored. You're underestimating him. Like many before you.
You just can't help yourself from defending Terry, can you?
Jenna, how much time do you spend thinking about your reads, versus typing your posts?
Is there a moment of quiet reflection in between when you start to type a response, or is the reply forming itself in your brain, flowing from synapses into your fingertips, like a wild arrow?
How many times have I whip-sawed back and forth on Terry? When I whip-sawed on him, was it for, against, or regardless of what the rest of the thread was doing? Have you examined whether my reasons for that were things that I appeared to hold with conviction?
Do you know how to research? Do you know how to mafia? The game is so much more intricate than this, so much deeper. Or at least it should be.
But what do I know? I'm just the "crazy uncle", right?
Context. I said my PBPA clearing him, because at the time, I was about to run him up as scum. My PBPA changed my mind on that. This is simply my top category of most likely town, and there is very little practical effect in excess of a semantic distinction, here. It's someone I don't think we should lynch, and I spent a lot of time thinking about why.
I'm being honest, Osie. Overly honest, likely. Perhaps I'm rushing around too frantically to institute my typical politeness filter. I have an inner editor, who reinterpets my naturally harsh commentary and judgmental attitudes into something far softer and less awful. But when I'm in a hurry, the editor gets canned, and what comes out is my natural unpleasantness, which in my better moments, I put a lot of effort into restraining. But, that's what that is. Not a scum tell, just me being scum IRL, as a flawed human being.
And what do you mean, I'm in agreement with the majority a lot? I've gone out of my way to disagree with the town on everything from Jenna, to KJ, to Terry, to Lngrr, to any number of other wagons. Hell, I'm not sure that there even is a town consensus to disagree with, we're so badly fragmented here.
Your reads other than Iso felt a bit like you were playing it safe, so to speak. I can get behind the fragmented point, though.
Iso isn't just low on time, and low on effort, he's also low on thought. That's my issue. He is not thinking about the things he is typing. He is going through the motions. This is not an activity/lurker case, this is a mindset case.
And you're certain that never comes from busy, significantly-less-invested-in-mafia-than-in-the-past town!Iso? Like, I just can't get behind this as a strongest read.
My lynch two section still needs clarity. Previously, a lot of those guys were either much higher or much lower on my list, but they're all currently in flux pending more rereads. So yes, I'm hedging on that until I complete yet another round of rereads and/or we get the ability results back in at end of day.
Here's me actually trying to manipulate you, for your own good: Stop being so afraid of being controlled by someone more experienced than you, that your brain shuts down. Fear is the mind killer. Think. Work towards what will actually give you good information. Spend your time looking at my entire posting history. Don't look for whether you like what I'm saying - look for the mentality behind it, and where that mentality is generated from. If I'm frustrated, why am I frustrated? If I'm complimenting someone, why do I like what they're doing? If I defend someone hard, is it from conviction, or calculus? Are my reads changing in response to an agenda, or to thinking through the evidence? THINK, Osie. Research. Empathize. Step into my brain, my shoes, and look through the scum mask, and the townie mask. And THINK. Not just react - THINK.
It's pure, raw emotion. He's indignant at her for being wrong about him. Completely, totally wrong. He's not mad at bad reasoning, a silly idea, a right for the wrong reasons thing. He just flat out thinks she's completely, utterly wrong. And he can't restrain that feeling.
It's not pretty. But do you think that comes from scum? I don't.
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And you're certain that never comes from busy, significantly-less-invested-in-mafia-than-in-the-past town!Iso? Like, I just can't get behind this as a strongest read.
That's where I think it's important to consider the nature of the beast. For players like Iso, reading other players comes as naturally as breathing. They scan through the thread, recognize the patterns, and can talk about the patterns they recognize without considerable thought or effort. When you're that good of a town player, it's effortless to share your reads.
You might have fewer reads. They might be less carefully researched. But the curiosity, the inquisitiveness, the natural acumen - that should all still be there. And it's just gone, blown away. And the absence is palpable.
@Terry: I already asked Bur, passive abilities can't be roleblocked; my visits are passive.
first of all, I asked Bur the same question and his answer was, paraphrase of course is, "Passives cant be roleblocked unless someones roleblock states they can roleblock passives," which Dawn already stated it doesnt say that... but why keep that part out... because I'm pretty sure if Bur would tell me one thing, he would say the same thing to you...
this isnt giving me better feelings about you...
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I do agree that azreal wording of that list is very off and very manipulative for my taste. I dont consider tom a puppetmaster more of an outside the box thinker
And that's what makes him good at what he does. He's disarming, good-humored. You're underestimating him. Like many before you.
You just can't help yourself from defending Terry, can you?
Jenna, how much time do you spend thinking about your reads, versus typing your posts?
Is there a moment of quiet reflection in between when you start to type a response, or is the reply forming itself in your brain, flowing from synapses into your fingertips, like a wild arrow?
How many times have I whip-sawed back and forth on Terry? When I whip-sawed on him, was it for, against, or regardless of what the rest of the thread was doing? Have you examined whether my reasons for that were things that I appeared to hold with conviction?
Do you know how to research? Do you know how to mafia? The game is so much more intricate than this, so much deeper. Or at least it should be.
But what do I know? I'm just the "crazy uncle", right?
It's "creepy uncle" and yes. Far too often for My Tastes you discuss with Terry rather than engage in discourse.
If I were scum and was so concerned about justifying betrayals I just wouldn't betray people. It's pretty easy to avoid. I could have just allied Axel and not got any heat.
The entire theory going on here, Joe, is that for you to kill me, you are required to betray me. That has been my speculation on how this works from the very beginning. So, it's like, are you really this dense, or just posturing? There is no question this is why I am having trouble coming off the theory.
Also about that plan to have me Body Guard Jenna... It's LUNACY!!!!!
Ok, think about. I Body Guard Jenna and Jenna targets me. I die either way and FLIP TOWN! Then what? Jenna gets to "confirm" her ability AFTER my flip? How does that make any sense? "Yep, he definitely targeted me". NO ****, he just flipped! His role is right there!
This idea is Soooooo bad I think scum are pushing it. I could imagine Jenna coming up with it and thinking it's a good solution based on her play today, but the tracker gambit seems to be a strange outlier in her skill level. My bet is scum are encouraging this horrible plan.
Here are some scenarios, scum are encourage this awful idea to waste Jenna's track tonight. On top of that it wastes MY ability tonight! AND I die!
Maybe scum just want a free shot at someone else so they don't have to worry about my BG.
Basically it's a scum plan. I said this earlier and I challenge someone to explain to me how in the world that is a smart play.
No, Joe. It might not be the thing to do, but it's far from "lunacy." Especially when you consider that you are not exactly trusted right now. Again, your inability to see just doesn't look great.
You only die in this scenario if (1) the scum tried to kill Jenna, and you protected her, which is net positive. Or (2) the scum decided to kill you directly. Scum killing someone who is not trusted and could be a possible mislynch for them is not what scum want to be doing.
It is correct that, if you were to turn up dead town tomorrow, we wouldn't know why. Whether it was because you successfully body guarded or because scum targeted you directly. This is where Jenna tracking you helps some. At least the possibilities would be narrowed. It wouldn't clear her, but it would at least lock her into claiming something. If she's lying, well, forcing the scum to lie is generally a good thing. Maybe they get caught out for it at some point?
Again, I'm not even saying "this is a thing we must do" But it's not crazy.
Look. We have a BP thief. That person has not claimed their identity. Maybe they're scum, maybe not, but it's a a safe presumption it hasn't been claimed because its' scum controlled, and they want the freedom to murder someone with it if they drop 1 BP. If I declared my intention to use my doc protect, they already know exactly how much BP I'm at. They can pick up a free NK, like snapping their fingers.
I declared yesterday that I was not going to allow that scenario to occur. Because free NKs are bad. So I was going to automatically betray, so that that there was no chance of that.
I'm wondering if you see the illogic here? Given you believe Iso to be scum (rather strongly, yes?) Iso is the one who claimed to have lost the BP. Would scum target one of their own with this ability? If you think the BP stealer is real, it has to be a point in favor of Iso, yes?
Now even as I'm typing this I'm envisaging a scenario where the scum target themselves with this N1 specifically to make the person who got targeted look better. And if it's a "stealer" who gains the BP stolen and not simply "your target loses a BP" then the scum aren't even down on BP for the exchange.
So that's possible. But you weren't proposing that as far as I could see.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Who thinks JoeTerry is a Nurse, and who thinks JoeTerry is a Poisoner?
I think the latter.
I think hes the nurse until someone can explain a reasonable scenario where terry would need to claim
If Terry hadn't stood up, Kabazame would have certainly been the lynch. His claim exonerates Kabazame and to answer extent, himself. Kabazame tried to kill someone, and Terry poisoned Axelrod.
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Tbh the only way to confirm if Terry is really the nurse is to lynch him, or find a way to bodyguard axel... And even if Axel is protected and still dies... We still can't say that Terry isn't the scum poisoner... I really do hate this situation because it also depends on what kaba says...
Who thinks JoeTerry is a Nurse, and who thinks JoeTerry is a Poisoner?
I think the latter.
I think hes the nurse until someone can explain a reasonable scenario where terry would need to claim
If Terry hadn't stood up, Kabazame would have certainly been the lynch. His claim exonerates Kabazame and to answer extent, himself. Kabazame tried to kill someone, and Terry poisoned Axelrod.
Who thinks JoeTerry is a Nurse, and who thinks JoeTerry is a Poisoner?
I think the latter.
I think hes the nurse until someone can explain a reasonable scenario where terry would need to claim
If Terry hadn't stood up, Kabazame would have certainly been the lynch. His claim exonerates Kabazame and to answer extent, himself. Kabazame tried to kill someone, and Terry poisoned Axelrod.
We are currently looking for a replacement for Kabazame. If interested, contact me or Prophylaxis!
Holy Poo
Does this come from someone that's scum buddies with Kaba?
what kind of defense is this.... idk what it means and should be nai at best...
and secondly your quoting your own post with a question asking if this would come from scum buddies?
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Holy Poo
Does this come from someone that's scum buddies with Kaba?
what kind of defense is this.... idk what it means and should be nai at best...
and secondly your quoting your own post with a question asking if this would come from scum buddies?
Did my early Day 3 play look like someone that KNEW Kaba was MIA? Kaba's scum buddies would have known he's absent.
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Holy Poo
Does this come from someone that's scum buddies with Kaba?
what kind of defense is this.... idk what it means and should be nai at best...
and secondly your quoting your own post with a question asking if this would come from scum buddies?
Did my early Day 3 play look like someone that KNEW Kaba was MIA? Kaba's scum buddies would have known he's absent.
Right, I forgot, it's impossible to fake reactions in Mafia. My bad.
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Does this come from someone that's scum buddies with Kaba?
what kind of defense is this.... idk what it means and should be nai at best...
and secondly your quoting your own post with a question asking if this would come from scum buddies?
Did my early Day 3 play look like someone that KNEW Kaba was MIA? Kaba's scum buddies would have known he's absent.
Right, I forgot, it's impossible to fake reactions in Mafia. My bad.
Seriously ISO? Please explain to me wait you think happened last night?
Does this come from someone that's scum buddies with Kaba?
what kind of defense is this.... idk what it means and should be nai at best...
and secondly your quoting your own post with a question asking if this would come from scum buddies?
Did my early Day 3 play look like someone that KNEW Kaba was MIA? Kaba's scum buddies would have known he's absent.
Right, I forgot, it's impossible to fake reactions in Mafia. My bad.
Seriously ISO? Please explain to me wait you think happened last night?
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@LW: If I was scum buddies with kaba, why did I betray him Night 1?
For God's sake. Again, if you have a "kill someone for 5" ability, then that is totally something that scum would want you to get up to ASAP. Scum-buddy Kaba would happily be betrayed by you to get you up to that. Frankly, him betraying you back would have made a him/you scum-pair a lot less likely.
I was reading back, and he didn't say anything about you Betraying him until his last post before he disappeared (and voted for you promising a big post which never came). That's weird too.
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Let's use some common sense here. Axel, Me, DBS and Kaba are off the table for today. If Axel doesn't die, Kaba is scum and I'm not a poisoner. Maybe we should take a look at those people pushing that angle because its conjecture until Axel dies or not. I think scum know he's going to die because they sent in him as their target and are setting me up for a mislynch.
So if Axel DOES die, we can address me tomorrow. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell us anything about DBS or Kaba. In the meantime, I have a chance to bodyguard tonight.
We have plenty of other players to look at today and we still have a week left in this phase.
Let's use some common sense here. Axel, Me, DBS and Kaba are off the table for today. If Axel doesn't die, Kaba is scum and I'm not a poisoner. Maybe we should take a look at those people pushing that angle because its conjecture until Axel dies or not. I think scum know he's going to die because they sent in him as their target and are setting me up for a mislynch.
So if Axel DOES die, we can address me tomorrow. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell us anything about DBS or Kaba. In the meantime, I have a chance to bodyguard tonight.
We have plenty of other players to look at today and we still have a week left in this phase.
Actually... Either way you or Kaba could be either alignment. That's not useful.
@LW: If I was scum buddies with kaba, why did I betray him Night 1?
For God's sake. Again, if you have a "kill someone for 5" ability, then that is totally something that scum would want you to get up to ASAP. Scum-buddy Kaba would happily be betrayed by you to get you up to that. Frankly, him betraying you back would have made a him/you scum-pair a lot less likely.
I was reading back, and he didn't say anything about you Betraying him until his last post before he disappeared (and voted for you promising a big post which never came). That's weird too.
I was thinking more about my ability and it is actually pretty powerful. If DBS didn't claim the Roleblock we would be having an entirely different discussion. My ability essentially town clears some one for a day, they can share their info, vote, participate in scum hunting and discuss it knowing it will be confirmed when they die. A straight up Doctor just stops the kill, but the target gets WIFOMed and no one knows whether or not they are town until them or the doctor flip.
Let's use some common sense here. Axel, Me, DBS and Kaba are off the table for today. If Axel doesn't die, Kaba is scum and I'm not a poisoner. Maybe we should take a look at those people pushing that angle because its conjecture until Axel dies or not. I think scum know he's going to die because they sent in him as their target and are setting me up for a mislynch.
So if Axel DOES die, we can address me tomorrow. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell us anything about DBS or Kaba. In the meantime, I have a chance to bodyguard tonight.
We have plenty of other players to look at today and we still have a week left in this phase.
Actually... Either way you or Kaba could be either alignment. That's not useful.
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ISO, can you speak with me logically here with out being biased. Clearly Kaba's claim was a fake claim. My character doesn't have a *****, let alone human genitalia (since apparently I'm a cyborg), so I'm immune to his ability (this is making light of the situation). Back to the issue at hand. I mean Kaba didn't even try to make a real claim. What does this tell you? It tells me Kaba is scum and trying to take me down with him. He clearly knows he's going to flip scum. I would not be surprised if Kaba was the BP stealer, sounds like a prostitute to me.
I have to take some pie in my face and admit that DBS probably blocked it based on that. However, this is probably the best possible outcome. That means DBS is confirmed town and Kaba confirmed scum.
Let's use some common sense here. Axel, Me, DBS and Kaba are off the table for today. If Axel doesn't die, Kaba is scum and I'm not a poisoner. Maybe we should take a look at those people pushing that angle because its conjecture until Axel dies or not. I think scum know he's going to die because they sent in him as their target and are setting me up for a mislynch.
So if Axel DOES die, we can address me tomorrow. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell us anything about DBS or Kaba. In the meantime, I have a chance to bodyguard tonight.
We have plenty of other players to look at today and we still have a week left in this phase.
Actually... Either way you or Kaba could be either alignment. That's not useful.
Let's use some common sense here. Axel, Me, DBS and Kaba are off the table for today. If Axel doesn't die, Kaba is scum and I'm not a poisoner. Maybe we should take a look at those people pushing that angle because its conjecture until Axel dies or not. I think scum know he's going to die because they sent in him as their target and are setting me up for a mislynch.
So if Axel DOES die, we can address me tomorrow. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell us anything about DBS or Kaba. In the meantime, I have a chance to bodyguard tonight.
We have plenty of other players to look at today and we still have a week left in this phase.
Actually... Either way you or Kaba could be either alignment. That's not useful.
How is Kaba town if Axel doesn't die?
If something else happened to stop that NK?
There are too many ways to stop a NK floating around as is, I doubt there are more.
Let's use some common sense here. Axel, Me, DBS and Kaba are off the table for today. If Axel doesn't die, Kaba is scum and I'm not a poisoner. Maybe we should take a look at those people pushing that angle because its conjecture until Axel dies or not. I think scum know he's going to die because they sent in him as their target and are setting me up for a mislynch.
So if Axel DOES die, we can address me tomorrow. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell us anything about DBS or Kaba. In the meantime, I have a chance to bodyguard tonight.
We have plenty of other players to look at today and we still have a week left in this phase.
Actually... Either way you or Kaba could be either alignment. That's not useful.
How is Kaba town if Axel doesn't die?
If something else happened to stop that NK?
There are too many ways to stop a NK floating around as is, I doubt there are more.
We have Az, Dawning, Shin, and you, at least. I don't recall if Az claimed what he did last night. Dawning claimed to block Kaba, you claimed to protect Axel, and Shin's ability would have only affected Dawning, iirc.
And that's what makes him good at what he does. He's disarming, good-humored. You're underestimating him. Like many before you.
Jenna, how much time do you spend thinking about your reads, versus typing your posts?
Is there a moment of quiet reflection in between when you start to type a response, or is the reply forming itself in your brain, flowing from synapses into your fingertips, like a wild arrow?
How many times have I whip-sawed back and forth on Terry? When I whip-sawed on him, was it for, against, or regardless of what the rest of the thread was doing? Have you examined whether my reasons for that were things that I appeared to hold with conviction?
Do you know how to research? Do you know how to mafia? The game is so much more intricate than this, so much deeper. Or at least it should be.
But what do I know? I'm just the "crazy uncle", right?
First off,
Unvote, solidly this time. This doesn't come from scum!Azrael in context.
Why do you feel that post is a town tell?
Okay. That's reasonable.
*Sigh*. Okay.
It was implied, most recently in some of your Lynch Two section.
Your reads other than Iso felt a bit like you were playing it safe, so to speak. I can get behind the fragmented point, though.
And you're certain that never comes from busy, significantly-less-invested-in-mafia-than-in-the-past town!Iso? Like, I just can't get behind this as a strongest read.
Fair.
I'll sleep on it.
One thing though...
Vote: Shinichi
Okay, now to actually go do other things and sleep.
It's pure, raw emotion. He's indignant at her for being wrong about him. Completely, totally wrong. He's not mad at bad reasoning, a silly idea, a right for the wrong reasons thing. He just flat out thinks she's completely, utterly wrong. And he can't restrain that feeling.
It's not pretty. But do you think that comes from scum? I don't.
That's where I think it's important to consider the nature of the beast. For players like Iso, reading other players comes as naturally as breathing. They scan through the thread, recognize the patterns, and can talk about the patterns they recognize without considerable thought or effort. When you're that good of a town player, it's effortless to share your reads.
You might have fewer reads. They might be less carefully researched. But the curiosity, the inquisitiveness, the natural acumen - that should all still be there. And it's just gone, blown away. And the absence is palpable.
I'm starting to see how the host works... specifications are given only if they apply. this keeps the game intact with enough room for speculation. anddd this is why you should not ask the host any questions DURING a game. I stand by that principle and it's even more sensible than anti-flavorgaming.
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No, Joe. It might not be the thing to do, but it's far from "lunacy." Especially when you consider that you are not exactly trusted right now. Again, your inability to see just doesn't look great.
You only die in this scenario if (1) the scum tried to kill Jenna, and you protected her, which is net positive. Or (2) the scum decided to kill you directly. Scum killing someone who is not trusted and could be a possible mislynch for them is not what scum want to be doing.
It is correct that, if you were to turn up dead town tomorrow, we wouldn't know why. Whether it was because you successfully body guarded or because scum targeted you directly. This is where Jenna tracking you helps some. At least the possibilities would be narrowed. It wouldn't clear her, but it would at least lock her into claiming something. If she's lying, well, forcing the scum to lie is generally a good thing. Maybe they get caught out for it at some point?
Again, I'm not even saying "this is a thing we must do" But it's not crazy.
I'm wondering if you see the illogic here? Given you believe Iso to be scum (rather strongly, yes?) Iso is the one who claimed to have lost the BP. Would scum target one of their own with this ability? If you think the BP stealer is real, it has to be a point in favor of Iso, yes?
Now even as I'm typing this I'm envisaging a scenario where the scum target themselves with this N1 specifically to make the person who got targeted look better. And if it's a "stealer" who gains the BP stolen and not simply "your target loses a BP" then the scum aren't even down on BP for the exchange.
So that's possible. But you weren't proposing that as far as I could see.
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Right now I am waiting for the Kaba situation to get resolved. I am unmotivated to do anything else.
Kind of want a claim.
Stuff.
What did you do last night?
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@Az: It's not about confirmation bias, it's about making sure your reads make sense together. C'mon, man. If you're town, you need to adapt, here.
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and secondly your quoting your own post with a question asking if this would come from scum buddies?
Right, I forgot, it's impossible to fake reactions in Mafia. My bad.
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I think Jenna explained it fairly well.
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Nothing. I didn't have access to the forum so I couldn't even submit an action!
I guess a claim is in order. I am Lotus, Town Prostitute. For 1 BP I can target someone and see if they get up at night. I haven't acted yet
I was reading back, and he didn't say anything about you Betraying him until his last post before he disappeared (and voted for you promising a big post which never came). That's weird too.
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Who do you think did the kill last night, Iso? How do you think it was blocked?
Kabazame, dawn's ability
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You think Kaba wasn't actually absent last night? Isn't that a bit of a longer-than-ideal shot to base a read on?
So if Axel DOES die, we can address me tomorrow. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell us anything about DBS or Kaba. In the meantime, I have a chance to bodyguard tonight.
We have plenty of other players to look at today and we still have a week left in this phase.
Actually... Either way you or Kaba could be either alignment. That's not useful.
I would love to hear your theory.
Also, this.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I have to take some pie in my face and admit that DBS probably blocked it based on that. However, this is probably the best possible outcome. That means DBS is confirmed town and Kaba confirmed scum.
If something else happened to stop that NK?
We have Az, Dawning, Shin, and you, at least. I don't recall if Az claimed what he did last night. Dawning claimed to block Kaba, you claimed to protect Axel, and Shin's ability would have only affected Dawning, iirc.
And this is assuming honest claims.