Tom town Turkey
You are a talking turkey. Undoubtedly, you get a bit paranoid this time of year, especially locked in a kill room with other people. Normally, you are charismatic and quite approachable, but in this situation people read your twitchiness and constant gobbling as a sign of nervousness and probably guilt. You know there's ways to get people to trust you, but haven't quite put your finger on it.
You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities: Tryptophan: If you are targeted, the player targeting you can't use BP during the next night. Winner winner Turkey Dinner: If you die, each other player gets 3 BP, but can't use any abilities the next night.
Active Abilities: Induce Hunger (1): Target a player. If they were to target tonight, you will be their tare instead.
Tom town Turkey
You are a talking turkey. Undoubtedly, you get a bit paranoid this time of year, especially locked in a kill room with other people. Normally, you are charismatic and quite approachable, but in this situation people read your twitchiness and constant gobbling as a sign of nervousness and probably guilt. You know there's ways to get people to trust you, but haven't quite put your finger on it.
You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities: Tryptophan: If you are targeted, the player targeting you can't use BP during the next night. Winner winner Turkey Dinner: If you die, each other player gets 3 BP, but can't use any abilities the next night.
Active Abilities: Induce Hunger (1): Target a player. If they were to target tonight, you will be their tare instead.
You start the game with 3 BP.
You win when there are no threats remaining.
This looks like it is a very real claim...
that's 3 roleblockers now let's swing through them
jenna/lngrr/axel
joe
whisper/kaba/shin
dawning/az
phoenix/cyth/osi/iso
kj
should probably do a scum theater check for kj v osi. gut says Not Partners Barring Elaborate Plan
orange tier is a mess but that sounds like a problem for tomorrow.
dawning still neutral, and i appreciate her exuding that from her pores while setupgaming. probably a roleblocker of each alignment. shin could be the town one.
@Az, did you say anything about suiciding when I brought it up early D1?
Yeah, my suggestion was that bit was brilliant and that we should systematize it to generate extra lynches. However, since no can agree on anything, that may be tough to do aside from my own case.
U know what since ur gunna keep shading me, then just Lynch me... I'm done with this game...
Why do you feel that I've been shading you rather than legitimately thinking you're scum? Maybe rather than just accusing me of shading you, you could point out issues with what I've said about your posts or explain why I'm wrong? It isn't much of a social game if one or more people are just going to say "You're wasting your time," "Why are you focusing me," and "You're shading me." Where's your spirit? Seriously. I've responded to people's thoughts about myself and others, and elaborated on my thoughts, over the course of the thread. As far as I can tell, you expect to not have to do that, and/or you feel that people are not being fair to you.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@KJ, why do you think Phoenix is the best person to target with your 9 BP ability? Also, are you suddenly not counting my ability as investigative?
Hm. How to best explain this.
It's like... when someone claims miller, and the vig is usually obligated to shoot him. There's controversy in the role. The only other way to deal with it is lynch him, but if I can resolve him without a lynch, then I think I should.
My ability tells me who the person targeted every night, and that information is what is potentially condemning Pheonix right now. The only real other way to use that ability effectively is to catch fakeclaiming Vanilla (which I doubt there are in this game) or catch someone who says they didn't target someone every night and figure out that they did... which is kind of a crapshoot. It's not optimal.
My ability has a very good chance to clear Pheonix, who I think is town. So I'll do that.
As for your ability, I suppose since it's nontraditional I keep forgetting it's investigative. (It's focused on the alternitive game mechanics not the mafia mechanics etc.)
Axel is right that the proposal of a 9 BP plan by KJ is delusional.
And that is a ton of claimed abilities. Still think there are more obvious behavioral scum, but as of this evening I'm sensing more in the way of wishful thinking that I didn't read enough of it's history and the town might be right in spite of certain of the just plain terrible arguments against him.
I don't know that we want to give me any BP. As is, we can effectively suicide me on demand by blowing my minus and betraying me, giving the town a spare vig shot. If we need to do that prior to entering lylo, it helps to have me at exactly 3 or 1. Unless we can use abilities to kill ourselves, too? Then we could theoretically eke an extra doc protect out of me. But I'm skeptical Shin will let me do any good with it.
Anyways, if you guys do decide you can't read me correctly, suicide is an option.
*eyebrow* God you flip quick.
Can you tell me what yuo think of Tom and Osie again?
ok so in the 43.5 hours/~400 posts between jenna initially claiming watcher and claiming her track result, killjoy made 7 posts
1 - defending himself/mildly omgusing terry
2 - "i did not" in response to jenna directly asking him if he targeted dv
3 - a clarification of 1
4 - doubtcasting townreads of whisper
5 - explaining why hes not posting
6 - answers a question from lngrr about who he would shoot. cyth/osi/az/iso
7 - a clarifaction on 6
only allusion to jenna's claim is the "i did not"
so if kj is town watcher, he sees someone claim another watch. after just seeing a cop flip. and doesnt comment at all?
i mean i guess that makes sense from a "just letting it play out" perspective
but being a watcher and not actually reading the claim of the person that you think is claiming watcher?
and voting with her?
Everyone claim if they targetted Person X->Everyone claims->Vote Person Y obviously signals some kind of watcher/tracker ability. The context obviously pointed to ONE of them. I just guessed the wrong one.
I voted you because it seemed obvious that she thought she caught you via investigate. And I wanted to put some pressure on you for that reason, and partially to gauge your reaction to said pressure. (Misunderstanding your role was NAI, but I think actually forgetting that you could have commited the mafia kill was probably +town. I did also like the apology at the end of the post where you clarified about the passive targeting.)
you guessed the wrong one?
she claimed watcher directly. it was a major topic of conversation. and hes supposed have a watch shot too?
like, earlier i said townkilljoy would carefully read the claim post before voting. watchertownkilljoy even moreso.
so what im saying is
boom bye scum
Yes tom. That's what happened. That's what I've been saying happened. I didn't see the claim, assumed she was a Watcher, and that she had caught Pheonix. Why are you trying to prove this? I literally said it was true.
Also, she actually claimed Tracker, IIRC so IDK what you're saying about her claiming watcher.
And saying that I, as town, would definately read the claim etc. I'm saying isn't true. My play is quite a bit reactionary... not entirely but at least partially.
So can you stop ignoring my requests to prove your case on me? You're saying I don't do reactions. Prove it.
I only had two people in scumreads: Last and Az. In that context, Null is effectively a scumlean through PoE.
But while we're being pedantic, we could go back to your post where you declare a roughly equal read of scum or town on me, with stronger town points and weaker scum points, and then conclude that I'm a very strong scumread. And handwaving a tunnel as something you did in Revolution is bull since it's very different. This early-game very hard push of a mislynch on me, while hedging just enough to give yourself leeway ("I always scumread Osi," "I always tunnel") is super scummy. (And then to have the temerity to turn around and suggest that I am scummy for posting without absolute certainty…) Your push on me is dishonest, your role is dishonest, your revisionist history is dishonest… You are dishonest scum, you are caught, and you and your buddies can eat lynches.
Why does that mean that it means that they're scumreads by PoE? Are you saying your list doesn't have you have enough scumreads, so those count too? I recall you looking at the game through the lens of who's scum on your list, so I thought that was appropriate.
Also, the argument of "We're talking about this, but what about you? You're scum." is just trying to handwave my arguement and paint me as scum.
Also also...
Saying that I said my reads were approxamitely equal and I ended up at a "Very Stong Scumread" is... not true. I saw some strong tells. Like, seeing the world through the lens of your list instead of through your eyes. That's not really a town thing.
I also I'm pretty sure I never scumrad you for 'posting without absolute certainty'.
Even if we argue that the deadline was 2:39 AM EST, which was, admittedly, ambiguous, that still doesn't address the fact that I got confirmation back from Bur a couple hours prior. That's also still hours before the chat was closed.
Are you saying we could post in the thread at 2:39AM EST before the mod got back? It's past the deadline, right?
And I love how all of a sudden you got confirmation that the chat was closed before he actually posted it in the chat. How has that not come to light before now?
Can you give a full workup on why you think I'm scum again?
I take comfort in the fact that you're very likely to be lynched after me when I flip town.
I think I'm only for a lynch on Tom or Osie today.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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@shin how does terry's thanksgiviclaim fit the setup?
Winner winner Turkey Dinner: If you die, each other player gets 3 BP, but can't use any abilities the next night.< this is kinda like what happens when a mayor dies but instead of losing an etire phase everyone gets roleblocked. The 3 bp i kinda doubt thats excessive as hell.
Tryptophan: If you are targeted, the player targeting you can't use BP during the next night.<<< this ability bothers me though because i wonder if it can stop your ab vote, cause if not I dont see the difference. Unless, this something that also has been bothering me. Do the mafia need to use 1 AB to make a kill? If so that could actually explain this ability quite well.
Honestly Az, the only way I could be at .1% of flipping scum is if ur scum and ur trying to pocket me hard, don't discredit what others are saying with bs reasons, and again ur case on shin was terrble... U are still a scum lean for me... If u didn't claim doctor my vote would still be on you, but that claim won't save u from other people today, or my wrath tmr
I'll give you the truth, the hard way: your scummy behavior is a hindrance to even your own faction (town/scum/neutral), hence it would be a needless waste of energy to pocket or whiteknight you as an opposition. Shinichi can't be town if I'm town. are you trying to say that I'm neutral after all? lynch me then, with all the fury on the earth. if you can't explain this, then you shouldn't point fingers at someone who actually puts effort into explaining things.
jenna/lngrr/axel
joe
whisper/kaba/shin
dawning/az
phoenix/cyth/osi/iso
kj
should probably do a scum theater check for kj v osi. gut says Not Partners Barring Elaborate Plan
orange tier is a mess but that sounds like a problem for tomorrow.
dawning still neutral, and i appreciate her exuding that from her pores while setupgaming. probably a roleblocker of each alignment. shin could be the town one.
can you explain to me how Iso moved up? and also, please answer this:
if I am town, in theory, what does that make Shinichi?
@Tom @LnG
if I am town, what does that make Shin? I know that I am town, that is why I'm sure Shin is scum. town cannot have 2 roleblockers, and Shin is too under-powered to be a neutral. if you want to argue that Dawn/Shin is town/neutral, then it's still fine to focus on us - you can figure out the neutral along with the setup. town is throwing away an important lead here if they won't lynch between Dawn/Shin.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@DBS idk what ya want from me, lol did you think I only act to spite you? Like give me a break here if I hate half ass claims doesnt matter who they're from.
@dawning
iso has started doing iso things. theyre late and theyre light, but they finally exist.
if you were town that would probably make shin more likely scum.
@kj
what is it you want me to answer?
im not really in the business of explaining to you how i caught you, but you asked for my reasons and i gave them again then you say reasons arent proof?
jenna did claim watcher, which you clearly knew and ignored despite allegedly being a watcher
i dont know where "You're saying I don't do reactions" even comes from.
(get lynched)
@DBS idk what ya want from me, lol did you think I only act to spite you? Like give me a break here if I hate half ass claims doesnt matter who they're from.
it's one thing to hate something, but another to use it as a fallback excuse to continue. forcing town roles out over personal distaste is going against your wincon. the only logical reason I can think of is.....your wincon is not the town's wincon. you denied being tpr, which means you can only be scum.
@dawning
iso has started doing iso things. theyre late and theyre light, but they finally exist.
if you were town that would probably make shin more likely scum.
I see. and thanks for the answer (finally). feeling more confident on my reads.
my scumspects are: Shinichi/Osie/Phoenix. and I'm sure there was scum on Iso's D1 wagon.
now, following my mindset that Shin is scum... would the EoD1 activity make Killjoy/Shin scumbuddies?
vvvvvvvvvvvvvv
Ok, two hours left and it's a three way toss up. Shin picks ISO (#3582) tying ISO and Grape at 6. Killjoy goes Grape from ISO (#3599). Shin switches over to Grape, but more for the sake of having a Lynch and not really calling GF scum (#3642) and I have to come in and hammer Grape even though I preferred LW to both of these. Here's the final vote count:
Bur will be around shortly to put the game to night.
if we talk about scum spreading out...
there should be 1 on Last, who is probably Phoenix
and 1 on Iso.. who I'm not sure of yet (ironically, Killjoy isn't on Iso's train)
2 should be on Grapefruit's wagon.
if Shin is scum along with Killjoy, I'm not sure if he would follow his buddy's movements that closely.
if there was scum on Iso's wagon, and it isn't you (Tom), that would leave Jenna/Axel and the now-dead Grape. should you still be townreading Jenna/Axel?
the only way I see my theory dismantling is if one of Dawn/Shin is the neutral, and we aren't.
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@KJ, how does you confirming he visited people each night clear him? If he is scum lying about his ability and doing the NK, then he would visit them anyways.2) Even if he is telling the truth about his ability, how does that clear him from being scum?
I would think a smarter use would be to check a investigative role to ensure they actually did whatever they said they did throughout the game. Like, say, checking Az's doc protects.
I don't see how that use didn't pop into your head if that is your real ability.
Eh. Better use is to hit someone who says they dont have a targeting ability, catch a lie like that. Or if phoenix's claim is a lie, then Phoenix. Don't see giving him that much BP happening though.
Part of my suspicion of Killjoy is that his push on me looks identical to his scumpush on me at the beginning of Silver's game, which is his previous scumgame.
Part of my suspicion of Killjoy is that his push on me looks identical to his scumpush on me at the beginning of Silver's game, which is his previous scumgame.
EBWODP: This has been a concern since near the start of this game, since I was in spec chat for Silver's game at the time.
@dawning I think iso is much more likely scum than anyone on his wagon, but iirc I've already said axel has to be a suspect if both iso/az are town. He had a couple of posts early in the day along the lines of iso is scummy but az is worse.
We've mindmelded a lot though and hes so viscerally town. And also his sentiments about iso/az are basically how I feel about kj and osi rn...
So, like, if iso is town yeah there was probably scum on his wagon at some point? Doesn't look like any on the eod Votecount though. Kinda think that in itself makes scumiso more likely tbh.
Just FYI, my whole claim was just a thanksgiving joke. My role is a lot less fun and nothing like Tom the Turkey (no relation to Tomsloger).
I am half Welsh so according to what I've heard about my people I may be related to some amount of sheep but no turkeys
kinda fryfaceing shins reaction to your claim and explanation of how it fits the setup. It assumes that role is town which, uh, doesn't fit. And would make him the scum role blocker with dawning neutral and your fake role as town.
But, like, setup gaming is one thing gaming someone else's setup gaming is another one entirely especially with him being from a different meta where apparently governors dying leads to a skipped day or something and who the **** knows what they do over there
Eh. Better use is to hit someone who says they dont have a targeting ability, catch a lie like that. Or if phoenix's claim is a lie, then Phoenix. Don't see giving him that much BP happening though.
Translation: Please don't track me because I'm fake claiming dr.
Translation: Please don't track me because I'm fake claiming dr.
Yep. It's all just part of my fiendish plot to screw with the town before offing myself.
So now you're offing yourself? I told you I doubt that it works that way. I think if you will spend your last BP to use an ability, you will not be able to use your ability.
Translation: Please don't track me because I'm fake claiming dr.
Yep. It's all just part of my fiendish plot to screw with the town before offing myself.
So now you're offing yourself? I told you I doubt that it works that way. I think if you will spend your last BP to use an ability, you will not be able to use your ability.
@Mod: please confirm
u cant commit suicide under normal circumstances, but if u had two bp, and ur ability cost 1, and u were betrayed u would die...
1. Paying points to activate abilities
2. Night Abilities
3. Gaining or losing BP according to voting results
4. Checking if someone has 0 or less points
Translation: Please don't track me because I'm fake claiming dr.
Yep. It's all just part of my fiendish plot to screw with the town before offing myself.
So now you're offing yourself? I told you I doubt that it works that way. I think if you will spend your last BP to use an ability, you will not be able to use your ability.
@Mod: please confirm
u cant commit suicide under normal circumstances, but if u had two bp, and ur ability cost 1, and u were betrayed u would die...
1. Paying points to activate abilities
2. Night Abilities
3. Gaining or losing BP according to voting results
4. Checking if someone has 0 or less points
its not that hard to understand...
but ya if Azreal is talking about offing himself through the use of just himself, then its not possible. A person cant die from bp lose, without the help of another person... so w/e he has planned wont work, unless hes already conspiring with someone lol
@dbs If someone is ok using their claim to cause confusion they should be ok claiming, its not an excuse if your ok giving parts of a role out then you better be sure Ill make sure I get the whole information out. If your not willing to out that information then your scummy nuff said. Only scum should have reason to half ass their own claims, i mean u literally saw me do it in 1 night werewolf.
@dawning
iso has started doing iso things. theyre late and theyre light, but they finally exist.
if you were town that would probably make shin more likely scum.
@kj
what is it you want me to answer?
im not really in the business of explaining to you how i caught you, but you asked for my reasons and i gave them again then you say reasons arent proof?
jenna did claim watcher, which you clearly knew and ignored despite allegedly being a watcher
i dont know where "You're saying I don't do reactions" even comes from.
(get lynched)
I'm not asking you how you 'caught me' or whatever.
You are making assertions that I, as town, always read the claim and not just react to things, like I did this game. I am saying that that is exactly a thing that town!me does. I'm telling YOU to prove me wrong.
So, wait. You're scumreading me for both assuming she was a watcher (when she used a track) and for me sucessfully realizing that she was a watcher, but not reacting to it correctly? Explain that please? That makes no sense.
@KJ, how does you confirming he visited people each night clear him? If he is scum lying about his ability and doing the NK, then he would visit them anyways.2) Even if he is telling the truth about his ability, how does that clear him from being scum?
I would think a smarter use would be to check a investigative role to ensure they actually did whatever they said they did throughout the game. Like, say, checking Az's doc protects.
I don't see how that use didn't pop into your head if that is your real ability.
Well unless he's targeted someone every night then it's going to be suboptimal. I think Az's ability costs BP, so it'll probably not go off every night. My ability doesn't actually tell me WHEN they target them... which is another reason PHeonix is a good target: because all his abilities target dead people. It's definitive.
And I realized about the "scum performing NKs" thing. That's why I called for a roleblock of him or a vig on someone else. FTR the vig is prefereable because the RB he claimed won't work, so better not to just waste an ability etc etc.
Part of my suspicion of Killjoy is that his push on me looks identical to his scumpush on me at the beginning of Silver's game, which is his previous scumgame.
Actually... no it doesn't. I realized after I did it how much I failed to correctly mimic it. I went from like 0 to 100 with no buildup. I'm surprised that wasn't a reason I was caught.
But I asked you a question. All the reasons you think I'm scum, please.
@Pheonix: I think it was you who asked for a recent scumgame of mine. Well, It Was a Dark and Stormy Night just ended. I was scum. Have at.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@KJ, eh, I wouldn't use my super-spensive ability on my towniest read. I would burn it on someone I was on the fence with or a scumread.
I guess it could be argued to track someone who claimed a non-targeting role too, but burning a one-time use to "confirm" an ability on my towniest read that wouldn't even confirm truthfulness of the ability or not (if there isn't a 2nd death then it cant)... that doesn't compute.
To clarify, I may or may not off myself until a majority of the town states that it wants me to do so. I have a question to the mod pending on whether I can suicide from 2 BP as well; that may determine my ally/betray choice.
If I can ally my way up to 4, I can get another protect off before death. Or, if I get betrayed tonight and go to 2, I *might* be able to kill myself solely through the operation of my own doc protect, and eliminate the possibility of scum sabotaging my suicide.
Worst possible outcome would be to not use the doc protect, betray, get boosted by three, and be unable to self-terminate. So, probably have to play around that.
This looks like it is a very real claim...
@Az, did you say anything about suiciding when I brought it up early D1?
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jenna/lngrr/axel
joe
whisper/kaba/shin
dawning/az
phoenix/cyth/osi/iso
kj
should probably do a scum theater check for kj v osi. gut says Not Partners Barring Elaborate Plan
orange tier is a mess but that sounds like a problem for tomorrow.
dawning still neutral, and i appreciate her exuding that from her pores while setupgaming. probably a roleblocker of each alignment. shin could be the town one.
Yeah, my suggestion was that bit was brilliant and that we should systematize it to generate extra lynches. However, since no can agree on anything, that may be tough to do aside from my own case.
No. Stop it. I can't take it.
Why do you feel that I've been shading you rather than legitimately thinking you're scum? Maybe rather than just accusing me of shading you, you could point out issues with what I've said about your posts or explain why I'm wrong? It isn't much of a social game if one or more people are just going to say "You're wasting your time," "Why are you focusing me," and "You're shading me." Where's your spirit? Seriously. I've responded to people's thoughts about myself and others, and elaborated on my thoughts, over the course of the thread. As far as I can tell, you expect to not have to do that, and/or you feel that people are not being fair to you.
And of course Az tries to tie everyone we're going to lynch to me
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I laughed.
You laugh but those abilities fit the setup really well so if he made that up i have to give him a good clap.
Hm. How to best explain this.
It's like... when someone claims miller, and the vig is usually obligated to shoot him. There's controversy in the role. The only other way to deal with it is lynch him, but if I can resolve him without a lynch, then I think I should.
My ability tells me who the person targeted every night, and that information is what is potentially condemning Pheonix right now. The only real other way to use that ability effectively is to catch fakeclaiming Vanilla (which I doubt there are in this game) or catch someone who says they didn't target someone every night and figure out that they did... which is kind of a crapshoot. It's not optimal.
My ability has a very good chance to clear Pheonix, who I think is town. So I'll do that.
As for your ability, I suppose since it's nontraditional I keep forgetting it's investigative. (It's focused on the alternitive game mechanics not the mafia mechanics etc.)
...Right. Forgot he was investigative too. lol
You know I want BP. If I don't have to rob my townreads on BP to get it then all the better.
You realize that consistantly restating the same reasons that you think I'm scum doesn't constitute proof, right?
*eyebrow* God you flip quick.
Can you tell me what yuo think of Tom and Osie again?
Yes tom. That's what happened. That's what I've been saying happened. I didn't see the claim, assumed she was a Watcher, and that she had caught Pheonix. Why are you trying to prove this? I literally said it was true.
Also, she actually claimed Tracker, IIRC so IDK what you're saying about her claiming watcher.
And saying that I, as town, would definately read the claim etc. I'm saying isn't true. My play is quite a bit reactionary... not entirely but at least partially.
So can you stop ignoring my requests to prove your case on me? You're saying I don't do reactions. Prove it.
Hm. Ok I can't see a world where this statement comes from a scumbuddy. So Axel not scum with tom.
Why does that mean that it means that they're scumreads by PoE? Are you saying your list doesn't have you have enough scumreads, so those count too? I recall you looking at the game through the lens of who's scum on your list, so I thought that was appropriate.
Also, the argument of "We're talking about this, but what about you? You're scum." is just trying to handwave my arguement and paint me as scum.
Also also...
Saying that I said my reads were approxamitely equal and I ended up at a "Very Stong Scumread" is... not true. I saw some strong tells. Like, seeing the world through the lens of your list instead of through your eyes. That's not really a town thing.
I also I'm pretty sure I never scumrad you for 'posting without absolute certainty'.
Are you saying we could post in the thread at 2:39AM EST before the mod got back? It's past the deadline, right?
And I love how all of a sudden you got confirmation that the chat was closed before he actually posted it in the chat. How has that not come to light before now?
Can you give a full workup on why you think I'm scum again?
I take comfort in the fact that you're very likely to be lynched after me when I flip town.
I think I'm only for a lynch on Tom or Osie today.
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Killjoy (5): Jenna Tolaria, LnGrrrR, Cythare, Axelrod, osieorb18
osieorb18 (3): dawningbluesky, Iso, Killjoy
Lastwhisper (3): Phoenix-Fire, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Lastwhisper
Shinichi (1): Azrael
dawningbluesky (1): Shinichi
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1): Kabazame
Not voting (1): tomsloger
Tom's vote at #5515 was not recognized and therefore he is currently voting no one.
With 15 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is Monday, November 27th at 11.59 pm EST.
@shin how does terry's thanksgiviclaim fit the setup?
Winner winner Turkey Dinner: If you die, each other player gets 3 BP, but can't use any abilities the next night.< this is kinda like what happens when a mayor dies but instead of losing an etire phase everyone gets roleblocked. The 3 bp i kinda doubt thats excessive as hell.
Tryptophan: If you are targeted, the player targeting you can't use BP during the next night.<<< this ability bothers me though because i wonder if it can stop your ab vote, cause if not I dont see the difference. Unless, this something that also has been bothering me. Do the mafia need to use 1 AB to make a kill? If so that could actually explain this ability quite well.
If terry is a lacking sack of you know what XD.
convenient followup.
can you explain to me how Iso moved up? and also, please answer this:
if I am town, in theory, what does that make Shinichi?
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Be grateful, always."
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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For tomorrow: I expect pressure in iso for his week reasoning for being on my wagon. Don't meet him talk you out of it. Make him work.
iso has started doing iso things. theyre late and theyre light, but they finally exist.
if you were town that would probably make shin more likely scum.
@kj
what is it you want me to answer?
im not really in the business of explaining to you how i caught you, but you asked for my reasons and i gave them again then you say reasons arent proof?
jenna did claim watcher, which you clearly knew and ignored despite allegedly being a watcher
i dont know where "You're saying I don't do reactions" even comes from.
(get lynched)
I see. and thanks for the answer (finally). feeling more confident on my reads.
my scumspects are: Shinichi/Osie/Phoenix. and I'm sure there was scum on Iso's D1 wagon.
now, following my mindset that Shin is scum... would the EoD1 activity make Killjoy/Shin scumbuddies?
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if there was scum on Iso's wagon, and it isn't you (Tom), that would leave Jenna/Axel and the now-dead Grape. should you still be townreading Jenna/Axel?
the only way I see my theory dismantling is if one of Dawn/Shin is the neutral, and we aren't.
Be grateful, always."
I would think a smarter use would be to check a investigative role to ensure they actually did whatever they said they did throughout the game. Like, say, checking Az's doc protects.
I don't see how that use didn't pop into your head if that is your real ability.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Part of my suspicion of Killjoy is that his push on me looks identical to his scumpush on me at the beginning of Silver's game, which is his previous scumgame.
EBWODP: This has been a concern since near the start of this game, since I was in spec chat for Silver's game at the time.
We've mindmelded a lot though and hes so viscerally town. And also his sentiments about iso/az are basically how I feel about kj and osi rn...
So, like, if iso is town yeah there was probably scum on his wagon at some point? Doesn't look like any on the eod Votecount though. Kinda think that in itself makes scumiso more likely tbh.
@osi do you remember which push started first?
But, like, setup gaming is one thing gaming someone else's setup gaming is another one entirely especially with him being from a different meta where apparently governors dying leads to a skipped day or something and who the **** knows what they do over there
Yep. It's all just part of my fiendish plot to screw with the town before offing myself.
Hmm?
@Mod: please confirm
1. Paying points to activate abilities
2. Night Abilities
3. Gaining or losing BP according to voting results
4. Checking if someone has 0 or less points
its not that hard to understand...
Yeah, which implies he's just trying to get people to ally him.
Pretty sure hes going to betray espically if he risks dieing.
You are making assertions that I, as town, always read the claim and not just react to things, like I did this game. I am saying that that is exactly a thing that town!me does. I'm telling YOU to prove me wrong.
So, wait. You're scumreading me for both assuming she was a watcher (when she used a track) and for me sucessfully realizing that she was a watcher, but not reacting to it correctly? Explain that please? That makes no sense.
Well unless he's targeted someone every night then it's going to be suboptimal. I think Az's ability costs BP, so it'll probably not go off every night. My ability doesn't actually tell me WHEN they target them... which is another reason PHeonix is a good target: because all his abilities target dead people. It's definitive.
And I realized about the "scum performing NKs" thing. That's why I called for a roleblock of him or a vig on someone else. FTR the vig is prefereable because the RB he claimed won't work, so better not to just waste an ability etc etc.
Actually... no it doesn't. I realized after I did it how much I failed to correctly mimic it. I went from like 0 to 100 with no buildup. I'm surprised that wasn't a reason I was caught.
But I asked you a question. All the reasons you think I'm scum, please.
@Pheonix: I think it was you who asked for a recent scumgame of mine. Well, It Was a Dark and Stormy Night just ended. I was scum. Have at.
I guess it could be argued to track someone who claimed a non-targeting role too, but burning a one-time use to "confirm" an ability on my towniest read that wouldn't even confirm truthfulness of the ability or not (if there isn't a 2nd death then it cant)... that doesn't compute.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
If I can ally my way up to 4, I can get another protect off before death. Or, if I get betrayed tonight and go to 2, I *might* be able to kill myself solely through the operation of my own doc protect, and eliminate the possibility of scum sabotaging my suicide.
Worst possible outcome would be to not use the doc protect, betray, get boosted by three, and be unable to self-terminate. So, probably have to play around that.