how did he get plus 3 from you? I need to find pheonixes role post when I get home, unless some one wants to find it for me, Ill be driving for an hour... :/ I want to check is role claim again, b/c I realized something
Dawn/Phoenix: A/B. Phoenix got 3+ from that round. the role is bumped at #5255, just up there.
nvm Im an idiot again... also
Phoenix
Does ur ability cost anything? Does it have any limitations? I find it wierd that you failed to mention ur bp costs or if u have thresholds... and I doubt that you have none... cause that wouldn't correlate with anything we've learned so far. and if you die from betrays, someone else gets ur ability? lmao you would never let urself die from betray... that doesnt make any sense, unless u wanted to kill urself to clear everyones PoE...
THIS! I didn't even realize that! There is no way for someone to lose all of their BP via the AB game. Did anyone lose a BP unexplainably? So if you have an ability that has no cost, you NEVER die to AB games because you always pick Betray.
how did he get plus 3 from you? I need to find pheonixes role post when I get home, unless some one wants to find it for me, Ill be driving for an hour... :/ I want to check is role claim again, b/c I realized something
Dawn/Phoenix: A/B. Phoenix got 3+ from that round. the role is bumped at #5255, just up there.
nvm Im an idiot again... also
Phoenix
Does ur ability cost anything? Does it have any limitations? I find it wierd that you failed to mention ur bp costs or if u have thresholds... and I doubt that you have none... cause that wouldn't correlate with anything we've learned so far. and if you die from betrays, someone else gets ur ability? lmao you would never let urself die from betray... that doesnt make any sense, unless u wanted to kill urself to clear everyones PoE...
THIS! I didn't even realize that! There is no way for someone to lose all of their BP via the AB game. Did anyone lose a BP unexplainably? So if you have an ability that has no cost, you NEVER die to AB games because you always pick Betray.
there is one way, if he is town, and he never told us the second half of his ability, then mafia would try to betray him, to get rid of him w/o the need to nk him, and they'd assume is ability would be gone forever. Except at this point he will never lose all his BP, unless his abilities cost something... It was just something that came to my mind, so I thought i'd post it.
@whisper
We've got abilities with an activation cost (you, lngrr, jenna, AZ, dv, grape, osi, shin)
Abilities that can only be used at a certain BP or threshold (iso, dawning)
Triggered abilities (osi and shin by BP pairing, Iso by death, phoenix by... death)
Phoenix would also be a static ability causing flips while alive...
...I've played a lot more magic than mafia
It's also weird that his ability passes by betrayal. Why would someone betray a first responder and take his job? Does that make sense with the flavor?
Also, that means scum could get his role right? Not only does that mean his role could just as easily be scum (because scum can get it anyway), but also allowing scum to have a role that punishes town for lynching them is bastard isn't it? At least I think so. Since most of us agree that Phoenix's role helps town, it would be bad taste to put it in the hands of scum.
It's also weird that his ability passes by betrayal. Why would someone betray a first responder and take his job? Does that make sense with the flavor?
Also, that means scum could get his role right? Not only does that mean his role could just as easily be scum (because scum can get it anyway), but also allowing scum to have a role that punishes town for lynching them is bastard isn't it? At least I think so. Since most of us agree that Phoenix's role helps town, it would be bad taste to put it in the hands of scum.
Am I crazy here or does that seem unfair?
hmmmmm actually kaba has another very good point here, im really starting to think phoenix is actually the post option today even tho i said I had my vote locked on osie...
@whisper
We've got abilities with an activation cost (you, lngrr, jenna, AZ, dv, grape, osi, shin)
Abilities that can only be used at a certain BP or threshold (iso, dawning)
Triggered abilities (osi and shin by BP pairing, Iso by death, phoenix by... death)
Phoenix would also be a static ability causing flips while alive...
...I've played a lot more magic than mafia
@Joe
Iso said he lost a BP.
ya phoenix is the odd one out, hes starting to feel like the best lynch option more and more...
It's also weird that his ability passes by betrayal. Why would someone betray a first responder and take his job? Does that make sense with the flavor?
Also, that means scum could get his role right? Not only does that mean his role could just as easily be scum (because scum can get it anyway), but also allowing scum to have a role that punishes town for lynching them is bastard isn't it? At least I think so. Since most of us agree that Phoenix's role helps town, it would be bad taste to put it in the hands of scum.
Am I crazy here or does that seem unfair?
No, I think his role is better for scum. I think it helps them more than town.
@whisper
We've got abilities with an activation cost (you, lngrr, jenna, AZ, dv, grape, osi, shin)
Abilities that can only be used at a certain BP or threshold (iso, dawning)
Triggered abilities (osi and shin by BP pairing, Iso by death, phoenix by... death)
Phoenix would also be a static ability causing flips while alive...
...I've played a lot more magic than mafia
@whisper
We've got abilities with an activation cost (you, lngrr, jenna, AZ, dv, grape, osi, shin)
Abilities that can only be used at a certain BP or threshold (iso, dawning)
Triggered abilities (osi and shin by BP pairing, Iso by death, phoenix by... death)
Phoenix would also be a static ability causing flips while alive...
...I've played a lot more magic than mafia
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uggh I know I said I wouldnt switch votes, but Terry/Myself/Kabazame/Tom have all realized that even if his role exists, its most likely scum aligned
Sorry Pheonix vote: Pheonix
It's also weird that his ability passes by betrayal. Why would someone betray a first responder and take his job? Does that make sense with the flavor?
yeah. doesn't make sense there. betraying a first responder should result in something nasty, not inheriting their abilities..
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realized that even if his role exists, its most likely scum aligned
such a role is more likely to be scum-aligned, since it's a very needed role. so saying, I worry the effects could be real... since Shin was talking about roleblocking being able to work on NKs in closed setups...
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@whisper
We've got abilities with an activation cost (you, lngrr, jenna, AZ, dv, grape, osi, shin)
Abilities that can only be used at a certain BP or threshold (iso, dawning)
Triggered abilities (osi and shin by BP pairing, Iso by death, phoenix by... death)
Phoenix would also be a static ability causing flips while alive...
...I've played a lot more magic than mafia
@Joe
Iso said he lost a BP.
Is this true Iso?
does it mean something?
Well, yeah it means people can die as a result of getting BP robbed, which could be in addition to a faction kill.
@whisper
We've got abilities with an activation cost (you, lngrr, jenna, AZ, dv, grape, osi, shin)
Abilities that can only be used at a certain BP or threshold (iso, dawning)
Triggered abilities (osi and shin by BP pairing, Iso by death, phoenix by... death)
Phoenix would also be a static ability causing flips while alive...
...I've played a lot more magic than mafia
@Joe
Iso said he lost a BP.
Is this true Iso?
does it mean something?
Well, yeah it means people can die as a result of getting BP robbed, which could be in addition to a faction kill.
Wait, did you guys not already think this??? I asked Bur early on about what would happened if you lost all our BP to a betrayal... and he told me that was so... So you cant commit suicide but you can get killed by being betrayed, which is why I thought my ability was so important... I never previously brought it up because I thought you all knew this...
how did he get plus 3 from you? I need to find pheonixes role post when I get home, unless some one wants to find it for me, Ill be driving for an hour... :/ I want to check is role claim again, b/c I realized something
Dawn/Phoenix: A/B. Phoenix got 3+ from that round. the role is bumped at #5255, just up there.
nvm Im an idiot again... also
Phoenix
Does ur ability cost anything? Does it have any limitations? I find it wierd that you failed to mention ur bp costs or if u have thresholds... and I doubt that you have none... cause that wouldn't correlate with anything we've learned so far. and if you die from betrays, someone else gets ur ability? lmao you would never let urself die from betray... that doesnt make any sense, unless u wanted to kill urself to clear everyones PoE...
THIS! I didn't even realize that! There is no way for someone to lose all of their BP via the AB game. Did anyone lose a BP unexplainably? So if you have an ability that has no cost, you NEVER die to AB games because you always pick Betray.
I'm not lynching Phoenix toDay without something else huge. I will do analysis on him again, though. Although even assuming that there is anything there other than the admittedly weird interaction with Jenna, I am not expecting for him to drop out of my townreads, not to mention that scumreading him for that seems... convenient, especially for some of our scummiest players.
This is gunna be paraphrazed because obviously I cant copy and paste mod pms/dms:
"If you ability would cause you to drop your bp to 0, you would be unable to activate your ability"
"Suicide is not possible"
I then asked...
"So what happens if I lose all my BP, do I die?"
and his answer was yes...
Which pretty much implies at most one thing, betrayal can kill you... WHICH WAS LITERALLY THE REASON WHY I WAS NOT GUNNA BETRAY DV LOL CAUSE I WAS SURE HE WAS AT 2 BP... and one more thing, there is a slight chance, that there is an opposite to my role, which drains bp instead, maybe, but i kinda doubt it...
I'm not lynching Phoenix toDay without something else huge. I will do analysis on him again, though. Although even assuming that there is anything there other than the admittedly weird interaction with Jenna, I am not expecting for him to drop out of my townreads, not to mention that scumreading him for that seems... convenient, especially for some of our scummiest players.
ok, but I dont think anyone can really refute this...
how did he get plus 3 from you? I need to find pheonixes role post when I get home, unless some one wants to find it for me, Ill be driving for an hour... :/ I want to check is role claim again, b/c I realized something
Dawn/Phoenix: A/B. Phoenix got 3+ from that round. the role is bumped at #5255, just up there.
nvm Im an idiot again... also
Phoenix
Does ur ability cost anything? Does it have any limitations? I find it wierd that you failed to mention ur bp costs or if u have thresholds... and I doubt that you have none... cause that wouldn't correlate with anything we've learned so far. and if you die from betrays, someone else gets ur ability? lmao you would never let urself die from betray... that doesnt make any sense, unless u wanted to kill urself to clear everyones PoE...
THIS! I didn't even realize that! There is no way for someone to lose all of their BP via the AB game. Did anyone lose a BP unexplainably? So if you have an ability that has no cost, you NEVER die to AB games because you always pick Betray.
there is a slight chance, that there is an opposite to my role, which drains bp instead, maybe, but i kinda doubt it...
I suspected that since your role and title was very literal. there could be a BP Taker and a BP Giver. and there we have our negative/positive roles for the game~ not sure what is the opposite of Daredevil, but I'm sure there is...and the most I can think of is Shin..since he has 2 abilities.
I'm not lynching Phoenix toDay without something else huge. I will do analysis on him again, though. Although even assuming that there is anything there other than the admittedly weird interaction with Jenna, I am not expecting for him to drop out of my townreads, not to mention that scumreading him for that seems... convenient, especially for some of our scummiest players.
you're one of our scummiest players, honestly speaking. can you please make cases that don't involve shading over vocabulary?
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Osie you're one of our scummiest players, honestly speaking. can you please make cases that don't involve shading over vocabulary?
Seriously tho... Just saying... lol
[@Azrael] Because, gee, I dunno - maybe people allied and betrayed people they did/didn't trust? Kind of like how I betrayed you last Night because you're scum?
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@Everyone
Did any of you lose more then 1 bp from the BP games if your outcome was B/A
and did anyone that A/A'd lose bp?
[@Azrael] Because, gee, I dunno - maybe people allied and betrayed people they did/didn't trust? Kind of like how I betrayed you last Night because you're scum?
uhhm I feel like he should have clarified this more...
@Iso
What was the outcome of your BP game?
[@Azrael] Because, gee, I dunno - maybe people allied and betrayed people they did/didn't trust? Kind of like how I betrayed you last Night because you're scum?
uhhm I feel like he should have clarified this more...
@Iso
What was the outcome of your BP game?
nvm I am an idiot... ISO... lmao you do realize u just found one another role, because my ability can only give bp, right? or did you think I did this???
BP taker probably town based on targeting iso.
Especially if iso is scum, but even if not it's like a really slow CC shot. Not really how I imagine scum using their "extra kp"
Which probably makes iso/dawning more likely nontown.
BP taker probably town based on targeting iso.
Especially if iso is scum, but even if not it's like a really slow CC shot. Not really how I imagine scum using their "extra kp"
Which probably makes iso/dawning more likely nontown.
Also, someone targeted me with an ability that caused me to lose 1 BP last Night.
Actually, this makes me even more concerned about Lastwhisper. I would not be surprised in the slightest if he has a second ability which steals 1. It would fit oh-so-well.
BP taker probably town based on targeting iso.
Especially if iso is scum, but even if not it's like a really slow CC shot. Not really how I imagine scum using their "extra kp"
Which probably makes iso/dawning more likely nontown.
what makes you come to that conclusion?
it's a 3rd "killing" role
Town doesn't get that much kp
lmao you do realize u just found one another role, because my ability can only give bp, right? or did you think I did this???
now that you mention it...
... somehow i know what ur gunna say lol, but it wasnt me... I can only give BP
and the BP games were after ISO claimed... so actually does make more sense that the bp taker is town, I think?
BP taker probably town based on targeting iso.
Especially if iso is scum, but even if not it's like a really slow CC shot. Not really how I imagine scum using their "extra kp"
Which probably makes iso/dawning more likely nontown.
uhh... you're kinda jumping the gun here by assuming the Taker is town. in Bur's other setup, there were even/odd trackers and 1 was scum. BP Taker is probably scum.
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It's also weird that his ability passes by betrayal. Why would someone betray a first responder and take his job? Does that make sense with the flavor?
Wait, what?
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As I stated coming into Day 2: Az and I Betrayed each other, so there was a net 0 there. I was also targeted with an ability that made me lose 1 BP, so my BP total is a -1 to my starting total.
I really doubt the BP remover is a town role, which makes me think tom is scum again because how can you possibly even think that.
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BP taker probably town based on targeting iso.
Especially if iso is scum, but even if not it's like a really slow CC shot. Not really how I imagine scum using their "extra kp"
Which probably makes iso/dawning more likely nontown.
what makes you come to that conclusion?
it's a 3rd "killing" role
Town doesn't get that much kp
interesting, I can def see this
@Iso
and No, I can only give BP, stop using new information to fuel you scum read on me...
... somehow i know what ur gunna say lol, but it wasnt me... I can only give BP
and the BP games were after ISO claimed... so actually does make more sense that the bp taker is town, I think?
please explain to me how the Taker can be town? scum can equally know Iso is town and swiped his BP. this actually makes me think Iso is town now... unless he's lying.
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BP taker probably town based on targeting iso.
Especially if iso is scum, but even if not it's like a really slow CC shot. Not really how I imagine scum using their "extra kp"
Which probably makes iso/dawning more likely nontown.
what makes you come to that conclusion?
it's a 3rd "killing" role
Town doesn't get that much kp
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I mean, yeah, but if we're looking at Dawning + Iso + Last, a Vig on either, a Bomb on either, and a Thief on scum makes sense.
It's also weird that his ability passes by betrayal. Why would someone betray a first responder and take his job? Does that make sense with the flavor?
Wait, what?
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As I stated coming into Day 2: Az and I Betrayed each other, so there was a net 0 there. I was also targeted with an ability that made me lose 1 BP, so my BP total is a -1 to my starting total.
I really doubt the BP remover is a town role, which makes me think tom is scum again because how can you possibly even think that.
Well I think he believes its a neutral role, maybe a balancer of sorts, and if my role had both, I feel like my role would be overloaded...
... somehow i know what ur gunna say lol, but it wasnt me... I can only give BP
and the BP games were after ISO claimed... so actually does make more sense that the bp taker is town, I think?
please explain to me how the Taker can be town? scum can equally know Iso is town and swiped his BP. this actually makes me think Iso is town now... unless he's lying.
but why would scum swipe Iso's BP over all the other possible choices, are they that afraid of his vegeance???
@Iso
and No, I can only give BP, stop using new information to fuel you scum read on me...
you mean Tom? lol
Well Tom didnt directly state it, and I think me and him have a good standing currently, Osie implied it, and is again trying to get people to still vote me using it..
but why would scum swipe Iso's BP over all the other possible choices, are they that afraid of his vegeance???
Iso is essentially a vegetable at the moment, the same can be said of me. we're both invalid killing machines. just cripple us but keep us alive until town chooses to hang us. killing off investigative roles are priority. cripple the killing roles, kill off the investigative roles. crippling the killing roles matters as much as killing off the investigatives.
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Well Tom didnt directly state it, and I think me and him have a good standing currently, Osie implied it, and is again trying to get people to still vote me using it..
hmm I see. time to see which way Tom swings.
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We've got abilities with an activation cost (you, lngrr, jenna, AZ, dv, grape, osi, shin)
Abilities that can only be used at a certain BP or threshold (iso, dawning)
Triggered abilities (osi and shin by BP pairing, Iso by death, phoenix by... death)
Phoenix would also be a static ability causing flips while alive...
...I've played a lot more magic than mafia
@Joe
Iso said he lost a BP.
Also, that means scum could get his role right? Not only does that mean his role could just as easily be scum (because scum can get it anyway), but also allowing scum to have a role that punishes town for lynching them is bastard isn't it? At least I think so. Since most of us agree that Phoenix's role helps town, it would be bad taste to put it in the hands of scum.
Am I crazy here or does that seem unfair?
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Shinichi (2): dawningbluesky, Azrael
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With 15 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is Thursday, November 23rd at 11.59 pm EST.
well, time to start. what do you think of your role so far?
Vote: Phoenix-Fire
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Sorry Pheonix
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Iso claimed he lost a BP.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
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"If you ability would cause you to drop your bp to 0, you would be unable to activate your ability"
"Suicide is not possible"
I then asked...
"So what happens if I lose all my BP, do I die?"
and his answer was yes...
Which pretty much implies at most one thing, betrayal can kill you... WHICH WAS LITERALLY THE REASON WHY I WAS NOT GUNNA BETRAY DV LOL CAUSE I WAS SURE HE WAS AT 2 BP... and one more thing, there is a slight chance, that there is an opposite to my role, which drains bp instead, maybe, but i kinda doubt it...
ok, but I dont think anyone can really refute this...
I just made a post about this...
Lost, spent, or other? It's important.
What was the results of Iso's BP Game? was it Ally/Ally? and are we implying he lost bp even tho he allied?
you're one of our scummiest players, honestly speaking. can you please make cases that don't involve shading over vocabulary?
Be grateful, always."
you're one of our scummiest players, honestly speaking. can you please make cases that don't involve shading over vocabulary?
Seriously tho... Just saying... lol
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
@Everyone
Did any of you lose more then 1 bp from the BP games if your outcome was B/A
and did anyone that A/A'd lose bp?
@Iso
What was the outcome of your BP game?
Azrael/Iso: B/B.
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Especially if iso is scum, but even if not it's like a really slow CC shot. Not really how I imagine scum using their "extra kp"
Which probably makes iso/dawning more likely nontown.
Actually, this makes me even more concerned about Lastwhisper. I would not be surprised in the slightest if he has a second ability which steals 1. It would fit oh-so-well.
Town doesn't get that much kp
Ehh, I think it's NAI or scum.
and the BP games were after ISO claimed... so actually does make more sense that the bp taker is town, I think?
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Wait, what?
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As I stated coming into Day 2: Az and I Betrayed each other, so there was a net 0 there. I was also targeted with an ability that made me lose 1 BP, so my BP total is a -1 to my starting total.
I really doubt the BP remover is a town role, which makes me think tom is scum again because how can you possibly even think that.
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@Iso
and No, I can only give BP, stop using new information to fuel you scum read on me...
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I mean, yeah, but if we're looking at Dawning + Iso + Last, a Vig on either, a Bomb on either, and a Thief on scum makes sense.
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