Additional: Killjoy, did you read the link you posted?
"In some games, the roles of the dead players are only revealed if the coroner(s) remains alive. In this case, it can be Mafia aligned, creating a dilemma upon revelation."
I need to reconsider what the interactions with Tracker mean since I was likening it to Insane Cop targeting anyone, but the Insane cop is told he's insane and therefore gets to take that into account. The Tracker in this case is not told as such.
What do you mean? That the Tracker is not told if an ability is passive or active?
Here's a fun fact: If I get enough BP, I will be able to prove without a doubt if Phoenix is telling the truth.
Note: not an alignment cop ability though.
Huh. I think Phoenix isn't worth pursuing today, but I might be interested in seeing what this ability gets from another player later, especially one of the players who are harder to read due to unfamiliarity.
What do you think of Tom at the moment and why? I'm finding myself unsure of how I feel about him at the moment.
hes certainly within his scum range but hes hitting the right balance of troll and solve. overall lean town but reevaluate with flip info. if scum probably at least one buddy in tammy/dv/ophi with his overpersonalized oddly specific reads.
What do you think of Tom at the moment and why? I'm finding myself unsure of how I feel about him at the moment.
hes certainly within his scum range but hes hitting the right balance of troll and solve. overall lean town but reevaluate with flip info. if scum probably at least one buddy in tammy/dv/ophi with his overpersonalized oddly specific reads.
so a meta read? did he at least roll scum in that game? Im assuming yes?
What do you think of Tom at the moment and why? I'm finding myself unsure of how I feel about him at the moment.
hes certainly within his scum range but hes hitting the right balance of troll and solve. overall lean town but reevaluate with flip info. if scum probably at least one buddy in tammy/dv/ophi with his overpersonalized oddly specific reads.
so a meta read? did he at least roll scum in that game? Im assuming yes?
It's not a full read, but it's the sort of thing I think Tom does outside of alignment to mess with people. I don't see why he does it here, though.
[@LnG #5115]
Ally while Betrayed until I reach 1 BP, stay at Betray while Betrayed.
even if that person is a scumread (e.g. Iso), I will stick to the plan. anyone who tries to increase my BP and justify it later is just hindering the town, especially when I fullclaimed - it's best for town to prove my claim as soon as possible, especially when there's no vig CC.
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aha! was trying to think what's the inverse of a Janitor. I rolled Coroner before~ it was in that starship game where even the vig could be scum...nothing guarantees alignment. Phoenix being unaware of his role doesn't seem fake.
hmmmmm... since Phoenix is a passive 'coroner', he's probably the neutral. a passive that serves a use to the setup, yet doesn't require any BP, seems more fitting for neutral. I have BP requirements so idk how everyone thinks I could be neutral - this means I'm either scum or town, and Shin/Iso is the opposite. yes!
with this I can outrule a Phoenix/Killjoy scumteam possiblity. missing scum probably in Osie/Cyth/Kaba. Osie is really hard to figure out lol...so much socializing. Kaba's lurk vote on Last at EoD1 still noted.
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@Jenna: Why did you go with this elaborate plan of pretending to be a watcher targeting D_V? Why not just say outright that you tracked Phoenix to D_V? This seems, well, overwrought.
Like, there wasn't even a gain from someone claiming that they visited D_V for something different. Phoenix looks marginally more suspect, but he's also been one of the towniest players this entire game. It's not significant enough after his claim.
@dawn ik i told others this is a bad idea but seeing as how i distrust you
Whats your BP at right now?
You can refuse of course but that just means I wont be unvoting until another opportunity presents itself.
my BP is at 3.
why do you distrust me?
how do you intend to pressure other players without your vote? (your vote is your tool to figure out alignments)
ok so I'm here and.. //backreads at the speed of light. any skipped posts are unintentional.
osie's read on me #348 looks good. (I use mobile slang alot. sorry~) p much how everyone tends to read me. from track record, accusations tend to go in my direction whenever such a post about me comes up...and they're usually from scum. Killjoy and DV, in particular, are banking on it. I want some questions thrown my way from those two, if they think they're on to smthing.
to give some incentive to the dogfight... Vote: D_V
never liked how u claimed some pseudo backup or whateverrrr that needs so much BP. and I'm not sure if abilities even need that much BP in the first place. it's dangerous to suggest town to ally with scum who might betray them, and I have valid reason to not want to ally with u as u are my scumread. mechanics, aka BP needs, won't tempt me to change my mind on who I ally or betray.
personally would like to reserve Shinichi for vigshot~
There's no way that scum lets town!Dawning get in a vigshot... Why would you make this post?
trust me, I am keeping an eye on her... if I have any reason to believe she is scum, she will not get that vig shot off... lmao
hmm completely misread the post haha, but my point still stands, and honestly to answer ur question, there are a lot of juicy targets for mafia tonight, and she still has one more day phase before she can even use the shot
@KJ Yes, Coroner is an uncommon role. Passive coroner is pretty much unheard of as far as I know. Furthermore, typically a coroner has to pick his target so he would only get one reveal a night. Phoenix's role gets all of them and the lynch as well, while the Coroner would typically have to use his Night Action to get a flip. Also because it's a passive, I don't think you can role block it (like you can't roleblock Bulletproof) though I could be mistaken.
So his role is a lot stronger than your typical Coroner, and apparently Bur has never used a No Reveal setup before. So there are a lot of assumptions to be made in order for Phoenix to be Town. What I mean by "how does it seem legit?" is that all there really is to support his claim is that he said it. There's no precedent for this role. There is however countless examples of scum being tracked to the night kill. That's why it's the simplest explanation.
At least you do seem to be thinking about this clearly. At first I thought you were just blindly defending him but I'm starting to see a real thought process behind it now.
with this I can outrule a Phoenix/Killjoy scumteam possiblity. missing scum probably in Osie/Cyth/Kaba. Osie is really hard to figure out lol...so much socializing. Kaba's lurk vote on Last at EoD1 still noted.
how? ive been back and forth a couple times if kj is protecting a buddy or TMIing that phoenix is town
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly.
While I get town wanting to defend a townread, I don't really get what you see as so certainly town about Last. Like, you've seemed to be pretty solidly convinced throughout the game, only recently backing off a bit.
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly.
While I get town wanting to defend a townread, I don't really get what you see as so certainly town about Last. Like, you've seemed to be pretty solidly convinced throughout the game, only recently backing off a bit.
Like, past-Osie (to steal Jenna's notation for rereads versus current talk) is on post #4042 and there's 10 people in this game (LnGrrrR, Terry, Phoenix, Tom, Iso, Axel, Shinichi, Kabazame, Jenna, Killjoy) who have expressed disliking LW so far in D2, with you and Az being the only people who have expressed liking him. Albeit, that lowers my belief that all three of you are scum together, but still... That's significantly more players down with a lynch on LW than the lynch threshold and significantly more than such implication on ANY other person, including Az (6.5 to 2.5).
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly.
While I get town wanting to defend a townread, I don't really get what you see as so certainly town about Last. Like, you've seemed to be pretty solidly convinced throughout the game, only recently backing off a bit.
Like, past-Osie (to steal Jenna's notation for rereads versus current talk) is on post #4042 and there's 10 people in this game (LnGrrrR, Terry, Phoenix, Tom, Iso, Axel, Shinichi, Kabazame, Jenna, Killjoy) who have expressed disliking LW so far in D2, with you and Az being the only people who have expressed liking him. Albeit, that lowers my belief that all three of you are scum together, but still... That's significantly more players down with a lynch on LW than the lynch threshold and significantly more than such implication on ANY other person, including Az (6.5 to 2.5).
I see what your doing here, but this doesnt make my lynch any less of a mislynch lmao... how are u still so focused on me...
Like, past-Osie (to steal Jenna's notation for rereads versus current talk) is on post #4042 and there's 10 people in this game (LnGrrrR, Terry, Phoenix, Tom, Iso, Axel, Shinichi, Kabazame, Jenna, Killjoy) who have expressed disliking LW so far in D2, with you and Az being the only people who have expressed liking him.
Make that 12 people counting myself and Cythare.
D_V and GF are dead, Last himself obviously is in the liking category. So why shouldn't some selection of the 12 of us just lynch Last and call it a day? Why are you so convinced that isn't the play?
Like, past-Osie (to steal Jenna's notation for rereads versus current talk) is on post #4042 and there's 10 people in this game (LnGrrrR, Terry, Phoenix, Tom, Iso, Axel, Shinichi, Kabazame, Jenna, Killjoy) who have expressed disliking LW so far in D2, with you and Az being the only people who have expressed liking him.
Make that 12 people counting myself and Cythare.
D_V and GF are dead, Last himself obviously is in the liking category. So why shouldn't some selection of the 12 of us just lynch Last and call it a day? Why are you so convinced that isn't the play?
Can you point me to where you most recently reread Last and what came of it? Or reread Last and tell me what comes of it?
my read on Last is still town. he's one of the easiest players to read, so it's no surprised I have been consistently townreading him since I've played with him before.
Maybe you should focus on reading the motives...
I have tried to read into your motives. they seem to love waffling.
Why make and maintain this post? How is this helpful for you as town?
it's as helpful as Terry's count on all the claims so far. my posts are near 1k now, so things like these are a big help...at least to myself who hates backreading.
There's no way that scum lets town!Dawning get in a vigshot... Why would you make this post?
there's no guarantee for anything. scum can hammer for towncred in this setup, likewise scum will allow me the vigshot if it will lead to townreading them. Phoenix helped me activate my roleblocking, but that doesn't mean he's town.
While I get town wanting to defend a townread, I don't really get what you see as so certainly town about Last. Like, you've seemed to be pretty solidly convinced throughout the game, only recently backing off a bit.
backing off? where? I'm only being critical about his paranoia.
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trust me, I am keeping an eye on her... if I have any reason to believe she is scum, she will not get that vig shot off... lmao
no offense here but, if you don't want me to shoot....you might as well lynch me. the whole point of fullclaiming was to prove my claim, if you don't want me to prove my claim but keep me around, then you're just a hindrance to this town. my fullclaiming comes along with the benefit of putting scum on the line, and that's the least I can/shall do. I will suspect anyone who tries to stop me from proving my claim.
how? ive been back and forth a couple times if kj is protecting a buddy or TMIing that phoenix is town
Killjoy's thought process is pretty clear in his posts, especially the Osie cases. no hidden agenda. the only thing that looks bad is the defense on Phoenix. I actually find it weird how Kaba is capitalizing on that.
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I see what your doing here, but this doesnt make my lynch any less of a mislynch lmao... how are u still so focused on me...
Like, I'd still much rather lynch Azrael than you, but 6.5/2.5 (Albeit this could be different. In part, you're the .5 on each side as of where I am in catchup, though, unless I'm misremembering, you may have said later that you don't want an Az lynch.) is significantly less momentum than 12/2.
I see what your doing here, but this doesnt make my lynch any less of a mislynch lmao... how are u still so focused on me...
You are one of several people who I don't trust, and statements like "how are u still so focused on me" only cement that read.
the feeling is mutual... but again I was slightly ok with my lynch before if it helped ur PoE's, and a little less ok with being lynched now, because I feel like I can be the outlier in this game, but again If mafia is gunna use me to create CFD's everyday then I'd rather just get voted...
12 people that want me voted, Ill gladly accept them lol
also nothing I have done during Day 2 has changed ur mind? and who has expressed their dislike of me except like early day 2? I dont see anyone reading ur post and saying, "This dude is def town, trying to band the town together."
I see what your doing here, but this doesnt make my lynch any less of a mislynch lmao... how are u still so focused on me...
You are one of several people who I don't trust, and statements like "how are u still so focused on me" only cement that read.
the feeling is mutual... but again I was slightly ok with my lynch before if it helped ur PoE's, and a little less ok with being lynched now, because I feel like I can be the outlier in this game, but again If mafia is gunna use me to create CFD's everyday then I'd rather just get voted...
12 people that want me voted, Ill gladly accept them lol
also nothing I have done during Day 2 has changed ur mind? and who has expressed their dislike of me except like early day 2? I dont see anyone reading ur post and saying, "This dude is def town, trying to band the town together."
wait why am I talking to you like ur not scum? u are 100% scum imo, after a post like this...
also nothing I have done during Day 2 has changed ur mind? and who has expressed their dislike of me except like early day 2? I dont see anyone reading ur post and saying, "This dude is def town, trying to band the town together."
You have some townie moments in both days, and some scummy moments in both days. A lot of the latter.
As for people responding to my post, it's been less than an hour...
Unless you meant that you don't expect that reaction, in which case...
it's as helpful as Terry's count on all the claims so far. my posts are near 1k now, so things like these are a big help...at least to myself who hates backreading.
Fair, I guess? It's a little weirder coming from town than Terry's post, given the content, but it's not the worst.
I've already forewarned that I'm a confusing player.
I should use this statement when people suggest I'm scum when I'm town, if it turns out that you're town and this works for you in this game... (I jest.) There's a peanut butter and raspberry jelly sandwich, and there's a peanut butter and raspberry jam sandwich. Either way, it's raspberries and peanuts spread on a sandwich. I prefer my peanut butter and raspberry jelly open-faced on toast, or fried. I'm trying to figure out if when you say you prefer almond butter and grape jelly if you're wrong or evil. I hope you get my metaphor?
and can you stop with the consecutive posting? the mods didn't like it.
Well, my posts do have distinct content, and...
Due to the nature of Mafia, double-posting is allowed *if* the second post contains actual content. Examples of double posts that are discouraged include spam and correcting a minor typo that does not affect the essential meaning of your post. Posting more than 3 times consecutively as a player in a game will result in Moderator action.
I've avoided at least the letter of the rule, as far as I know... Although I can make (a) longer post(s) replying to a bunch of things if preferred, but that's likely to drastically reduce both readability and contribution.
the feeling is mutual... but again I was slightly ok with my lynch before if it helped ur PoE's, and a little less ok with being lynched now, because I feel like I can be the outlier in this game, but again If mafia is gunna use me to create CFD's everyday then I'd rather just get voted...
//solemn pat on the shoulder
please do not ask to die, little one. as the goldfish, you have the potential to outlive us all. why throw that away? *siiiiigh*
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I just can't see how we don't lynch phoenix at this point.
that's a good idea. seriously, how confusing can this setup get? but Shin is a good one too. though...it depends if we want to go with the tracker-firmed or terrible counterclaim.
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the feeling is mutual... but again I was slightly ok with my lynch before if it helped ur PoE's, and a little less ok with being lynched now, because I feel like I can be the outlier in this game, but again If mafia is gunna use me to create CFD's everyday then I'd rather just get voted...
//solemn pat on the shoulder
please do not ask to die, little one. as the goldfish, you have the potential to outlive us all. why throw that away? *siiiiigh*
Maybe this is a better argument than any actual attempt you would have made, as it appeals to my love of comedic effect. [/sarcasm]
I just can't see how we don't lynch phoenix at this point.
Throw away all of the townie elements throughout the entire game, and potentially throw away flips for the rest of the game? While coroner does not suggest immunity, this just seems like a bad idea.
1. Joking around and having fluid reads. Now I'm waiting for someone to accuse me of being awkward and over-defensive.
2. Fair, I guess? It's a little weirder coming from town than Terry's post, given the content, but it's not the worst.
3. I should use this statement when people suggest I'm scum when I'm town, if it turns out that you're town and this works for you in this game... (I jest.) There's a peanut butter and raspberry jelly sandwich, and there's a peanut butter and raspberry jam sandwich. Either way, it's raspberries and peanuts spread on a sandwich. I prefer my peanut butter and raspberry jelly open-faced on toast, or fried. I'm trying to figure out if when you say you prefer almond butter and grape jelly if you're wrong or evil. I hope you get my metaphor?
4. No, they just wouldn't if you're town, unless there's some incredibly bad play involved on one side or the other. This isn't a thing.
5. One of your readlists had him as a less strong town read:
6. Well, my posts do have distinct content, and... I've avoided at least the letter of the rule, as far as I know... Although I can make (a) longer post(s) replying to a bunch of things if preferred, but that's likely to drastically reduce both readability and contribution.
1. awkward? dunno
2. if that was the only reason you brought that post up. you're just arguing semantics or aesthetics.
3. depends. it's something others have observed about me, so I just take it as that. I don't think others have illustrated your playstyle yet.
4. towncred is a thing. can't say it isn't.
5. I switched him with Axel there. I had my doubts with the way he was scumreading Azrael.
6. moderator action not my problem I guess. carry on~
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I just can't see how we don't lynch phoenix at this point.
that's a good idea. seriously, how confusing can this setup get? but Shin is a good one too. though...it depends if we want to go with the tracker-firmed or terrible counterclaim.
I don't want to hear this from you lol, and I'm not giving up, I don't give up... I'm just saying, my Lynch wouldn't be terribly bad
I just can't see how we don't lynch phoenix at this point.
Throw away all of the townie elements throughout the entire game, and potentially throw away flips for the rest of the game? While coroner does not suggest immunity, this just seems like a bad idea.
the fact that u said this makes me want to Lynch Phoenix, but I refuse, so I'll stick with you
2. if that was the only reason you brought that post up. you're just arguing semantics or aesthetics.
3. depends. it's something others have observed about me, so I just take it as that. I don't think others have illustrated your playstyle yet.
4. towncred is a thing. can't say it isn't.
5. I switched him with Axel there. I had my doubts with the way he was scumreading Azrael.
6. moderator action not my problem I guess. carry on~
2. Nah. It seemed more like a tool to be defensive than a tool for notetaking, but notetaking is not an unreasonable defense. I'll back off on this.
3. Tom's not sure. I don't know if Iso is either. I don't expect other players to be sure.
4. This isn't about towncred. Proof by contradiction:
Let us take a game of mafia on D2. One experienced town player, Alice (convenient name, lol), has claimed day!vig that can't proc until D4. As an experienced town player, if Alice survives to D4, she will use her shot.
No scum have been revealed. They have the option to use one of their two kills on D2 + D3 to prevent Alice from killing a player. For the sake of the proof, let's assume that they will not kill Alice because they think she isn't likely to kill scum.
Alice has at least a 2/12 chance of that hitting scum, assuming no nightkills and two scum lynches before that point. That situation is unlikely, the much more likely situation is two town nightkills, 1 town mislynch, and 1 scum lynch, which leads to a 3/10 chance. Since we know that Alice knows how to play Mafia, we can take it as a given that the chance is actually significantly higher than that, very likely higher than 50%, that Alice will hit scum in that situation.
We have a contradiction here. A rational person will recognize that Alice is likely to kill scum, and therefore scum should kill Alice in one of those two nightkills so that chance is zero that a scum player will die, rather than greater than 50%.
While irrelevant in context, we can extend this proof to other day numbers through a separate proof by induction.
(Man, I've always wanted to include that image in a proof by contradiction.)
5. You had your doubts on LW or on Axel? In the latter case, okay, that's your opinion. In the former case, aren't you saying exactly what I said?
I just can't see how we don't lynch phoenix at this point.
Throw away all of the townie elements throughout the entire game, and potentially throw away flips for the rest of the game? While coroner does not suggest immunity, this just seems like a bad idea.
it's just roles, not alignment, at least that's how I read his claim.
[@Osie #5164]
3. many players have commented that I have a confusing playstyle, that's why I mention it, not as a defense but for clarification. if nobody can describe your playstyle, that's your problem.
4. if you can develop a theory around it, that means it's not strictly impossible - because of the existence of 'probability'. scum can choose to leave me alive with the vigshot just as easily~
5. I had my doubts with Axel because of his worry about roleblocks on NKs. as for my doubts on Last, I've said why. uhhh.. weren't you asking why?
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Also, I have never played the game, so I have no clue if flavor is correct. Since you have, what do you think about mine? (Quark)?
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"In some games, the roles of the dead players are only revealed if the coroner(s) remains alive. In this case, it can be Mafia aligned, creating a dilemma upon revelation."
Just saying.
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I still don't like Azrael, but this alone kinda makes me want to vote Tom...
/barn
What do you mean? That the Tracker is not told if an ability is passive or active?
Huh. I think Phoenix isn't worth pursuing today, but I might be interested in seeing what this ability gets from another player later, especially one of the players who are harder to read due to unfamiliarity.
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Tom's doing that thing where he talks about himself in the third person. I didn't like it in Horsemen either.
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It's not a full read, but it's the sort of thing I think Tom does outside of alignment to mess with people. I don't see why he does it here, though.Damnit, I need to catchup more carefully.
That was about Phoenix.
Sorry, Tom.
[@LnG #5115]
Ally while Betrayed until I reach 1 BP, stay at Betray while Betrayed.
even if that person is a scumread (e.g. Iso), I will stick to the plan. anyone who tries to increase my BP and justify it later is just hindering the town, especially when I fullclaimed - it's best for town to prove my claim as soon as possible, especially when there's no vig CC.
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aha! was trying to think what's the inverse of a Janitor. I rolled Coroner before~ it was in that starship game where even the vig could be scum...nothing guarantees alignment. Phoenix being unaware of his role doesn't seem fake.
hmmmmm... since Phoenix is a passive 'coroner', he's probably the neutral. a passive that serves a use to the setup, yet doesn't require any BP, seems more fitting for neutral. I have BP requirements so idk how everyone thinks I could be neutral - this means I'm either scum or town, and Shin/Iso is the opposite. yes!
with this I can outrule a Phoenix/Killjoy scumteam possiblity. missing scum probably in Osie/Cyth/Kaba. Osie is really hard to figure out lol...so much socializing. Kaba's lurk vote on Last at EoD1 still noted.
Be grateful, always."
Like, there wasn't even a gain from someone claiming that they visited D_V for something different. Phoenix looks marginally more suspect, but he's also been one of the towniest players this entire game. It's not significant enough after his claim.
Can you point me to where you most recently reread Last and what came of it? Or reread Last and tell me what comes of it?
Maybe you should focus on reading the motives...
Why make and maintain this post? How is this helpful for you as town?
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and this not very good post:
come from the same person in the same game.
Nah, it's fine. Tom is still scary, but I'm still at a townlean at the moment.
There's no way that scum lets town!Dawning get in a vigshot... Why would you make this post?
So his role is a lot stronger than your typical Coroner, and apparently Bur has never used a No Reveal setup before. So there are a lot of assumptions to be made in order for Phoenix to be Town. What I mean by "how does it seem legit?" is that all there really is to support his claim is that he said it. There's no precedent for this role. There is however countless examples of scum being tracked to the night kill. That's why it's the simplest explanation.
At least you do seem to be thinking about this clearly. At first I thought you were just blindly defending him but I'm starting to see a real thought process behind it now.
So?
Depends on the setup.
gj lngrr was gonna say that toohow? ive been back and forth a couple times if kj is protecting a buddy or TMIing that phoenix is town
Hey! It's not my fault that you're hard to read.
While I get town wanting to defend a townread, I don't really get what you see as so certainly town about Last. Like, you've seemed to be pretty solidly convinced throughout the game, only recently backing off a bit.
Like, past-Osie (to steal Jenna's notation for rereads versus current talk) is on post #4042 and there's 10 people in this game (LnGrrrR, Terry, Phoenix, Tom, Iso, Axel, Shinichi, Kabazame, Jenna, Killjoy) who have expressed disliking LW so far in D2, with you and Az being the only people who have expressed liking him. Albeit, that lowers my belief that all three of you are scum together, but still... That's significantly more players down with a lynch on LW than the lynch threshold and significantly more than such implication on ANY other person, including Az (6.5 to 2.5).
Make that 12 people counting myself and Cythare.
D_V and GF are dead, Last himself obviously is in the liking category. So why shouldn't some selection of the 12 of us just lynch Last and call it a day? Why are you so convinced that isn't the play?
You are one of several people who I don't trust, and statements like "how are u still so focused on me" only cement that read.
(This and #5143 were both @Phraze.)
I have tried to read into your motives. they seem to love waffling.
it's as helpful as Terry's count on all the claims so far. my posts are near 1k now, so things like these are a big help...at least to myself who hates backreading.
I've already forewarned that I'm a confusing player.
there's no guarantee for anything. scum can hammer for towncred in this setup, likewise scum will allow me the vigshot if it will lead to townreading them. Phoenix helped me activate my roleblocking, but that doesn't mean he's town.
backing off? where? I'm only being critical about his paranoia.
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no offense here but, if you don't want me to shoot....you might as well lynch me. the whole point of fullclaiming was to prove my claim, if you don't want me to prove my claim but keep me around, then you're just a hindrance to this town. my fullclaiming comes along with the benefit of putting scum on the line, and that's the least I can/shall do. I will suspect anyone who tries to stop me from proving my claim.
Killjoy's thought process is pretty clear in his posts, especially the Osie cases. no hidden agenda. the only thing that looks bad is the defense on Phoenix. I actually find it weird how Kaba is capitalizing on that.
Be grateful, always."
Like, I'd still much rather lynch Azrael than you, but 6.5/2.5 (Albeit this could be different. In part, you're the .5 on each side as of where I am in catchup, though, unless I'm misremembering, you may have said later that you don't want an Az lynch.) is significantly less momentum than 12/2.
12 people that want me voted, Ill gladly accept them lol
also nothing I have done during Day 2 has changed ur mind? and who has expressed their dislike of me except like early day 2? I dont see anyone reading ur post and saying, "This dude is def town, trying to band the town together."
You have some townie moments in both days, and some scummy moments in both days. A lot of the latter.
As for people responding to my post, it's been less than an hour...
Unless you meant that you don't expect that reaction, in which case...
(The drop is at the 1 minute mark)
Joking around and having fluid reads. Now I'm waiting for someone to accuse me of being awkward and over-defensive.
Fair, I guess? It's a little weirder coming from town than Terry's post, given the content, but it's not the worst.
I should use this statement when people suggest I'm scum when I'm town, if it turns out that you're town and this works for you in this game... (I jest.) There's a peanut butter and raspberry jelly sandwich, and there's a peanut butter and raspberry jam sandwich. Either way, it's raspberries and peanuts spread on a sandwich. I prefer my peanut butter and raspberry jelly open-faced on toast, or fried. I'm trying to figure out if when you say you prefer almond butter and grape jelly if you're wrong or evil. I hope you get my metaphor?
No, they just wouldn't if you're town, unless there's some incredibly bad play involved on one side or the other. This isn't a thing.
One of your readlists had him as a less strong town read:
Well, my posts do have distinct content, and...
I've avoided at least the letter of the rule, as far as I know... Although I can make (a) longer post(s) replying to a bunch of things if preferred, but that's likely to drastically reduce both readability and contribution.
please do not ask to die, little one. as the goldfish, you have the potential to outlive us all. why throw that away? *siiiiigh*
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Maybe this is a better argument than any actual attempt you would have made, as it appeals to my love of comedic effect. [/sarcasm]
Throw away all of the townie elements throughout the entire game, and potentially throw away flips for the rest of the game? While coroner does not suggest immunity, this just seems like a bad idea.
1. awkward? dunno
2. if that was the only reason you brought that post up. you're just arguing semantics or aesthetics.
3. depends. it's something others have observed about me, so I just take it as that. I don't think others have illustrated your playstyle yet.
4. towncred is a thing. can't say it isn't.
5. I switched him with Axel there. I had my doubts with the way he was scumreading Azrael.
6. moderator action not my problem I guess. carry on~
Be grateful, always."
that's a good idea. but the latest vote count had you on Azrael though.. I'll switch to Osie if we have enough votes on him.
Be grateful, always."
2. Nah. It seemed more like a tool to be defensive than a tool for notetaking, but notetaking is not an unreasonable defense. I'll back off on this.
3. Tom's not sure. I don't know if Iso is either. I don't expect other players to be sure.
4. This isn't about towncred. Proof by contradiction:
(Man, I've always wanted to include that image in a proof by contradiction.)
5. You had your doubts on LW or on Axel? In the latter case, okay, that's your opinion. In the former case, aren't you saying exactly what I said?
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3. many players have commented that I have a confusing playstyle, that's why I mention it, not as a defense but for clarification. if nobody can describe your playstyle, that's your problem.
4. if you can develop a theory around it, that means it's not strictly impossible - because of the existence of 'probability'. scum can choose to leave me alive with the vigshot just as easily~
5. I had my doubts with Axel because of his worry about roleblocks on NKs. as for my doubts on Last, I've said why. uhhh.. weren't you asking why?
Be grateful, always."