I've gotten through a few pages of D2 while at work and am stuck on Lastwhisper's actions N1, which just...don't make sense if he's townreading his pairing, and he's cleary very focused on how he's being read, which isn't something that a townie should be preoccupied with. A few questions/notes, 2/3 of which are about Lastwhisper before I head to a meeting for a bit.
The only thing preventing me from voting DBS is trusting GF's reads. Anyways, D_V starts the train, and DBS jumps on it on post 3353. My working theory is that Iso wagon was going nowhere, so DBS floated GF as a possible alternative lynch to scumbuddy LW. Once he saw DV jump on it, he decided it was a safe wagon to push. He had noted before that GF was feeling scummy to him, but I'll have to go back further to see if that was in isolation or his feelings "changed" once others expressed suspicion.
Why the trust in GF's reads? Just because he's town doesn't mean he's right. Am I missing things from D1 (which I haven’t reviewed yet)?
I didnt gift anyone last night lol, but if I did? itd probably be D.V who is now dead, and maybe Axel? I am still skeptical about everyone, so I didnt want to give points to possible scum. But now that I am at 6BP I can be less stingy...
I’m assuming that you discussed using your ability yesterday? This is a decidedly selfish decision – did you not have any town reads? I don’t really have time to dig through your old posts to find your read on Shinichi, but you seem to be interacting relatively cordially at first glance for someone you betrayed. EDIT: Apparently you townread him per #3866 (if this is incorrect, then my bad).
So what exactly were you implying with that post, then?
cause I didnt want to get more scum read, hours before phase change because you thought my idea was stupid... isnt that what, "adding fuel to the fire" means? but actually I do get why you guys think it had a connection to my role, b/c it may you believe that I had a threshold also, or needed more bp then I was saying...
Again, very self-centered “I didn’t want to get more scum read”.
Not ready to vote, as I'd like to review this further and I'm still woefully out-of-date, but I'm interested in a Lastwhisper lynch based on where I'm currently at.
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ehhh... I made that edit here which was only adding a name and that wasn't allowed?? I'm confused...
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I've gotten through a few pages of D2 while at work and am stuck on Lastwhisper's actions N1, which just...don't make sense if he's townreading his pairing, and he's cleary very focused on how he's being read, which isn't something that a townie should be preoccupied with. A few questions/notes, 2/3 of which are about Lastwhisper before I head to a meeting for a bit.
The only thing preventing me from voting DBS is trusting GF's reads. Anyways, D_V starts the train, and DBS jumps on it on post 3353. My working theory is that Iso wagon was going nowhere, so DBS floated GF as a possible alternative lynch to scumbuddy LW. Once he saw DV jump on it, he decided it was a safe wagon to push. He had noted before that GF was feeling scummy to him, but I'll have to go back further to see if that was in isolation or his feelings "changed" once others expressed suspicion.
Why the trust in GF's reads? Just because he's town doesn't mean he's right. Am I missing things from D1 (which I haven’t reviewed yet)?
I didnt gift anyone last night lol, but if I did? itd probably be D.V who is now dead, and maybe Axel? I am still skeptical about everyone, so I didnt want to give points to possible scum. But now that I am at 6BP I can be less stingy...
I’m assuming that you discussed using your ability yesterday? This is a decidedly selfish decision – did you not have any town reads? I don’t really have time to dig through your old posts to find your read on Shinichi, but you seem to be interacting relatively cordially at first glance for someone you betrayed. EDIT: Apparently you townread him per #3866 (if this is incorrect, then my bad).
So what exactly were you implying with that post, then?
cause I didnt want to get more scum read, hours before phase change because you thought my idea was stupid... isnt that what, "adding fuel to the fire" means? but actually I do get why you guys think it had a connection to my role, b/c it may you believe that I had a threshold also, or needed more bp then I was saying...
Again, very self-centered “I didn’t want to get more scum read”.
Not ready to vote, as I'd like to review this further and I'm still woefully out-of-date, but I'm interested in a Lastwhisper lynch based on where I'm currently at.
nope I honestly didn't care to give anyone Bp yesterday, self centered yes, but the way I saw it, most of day 1 was me defending myself... And day 1 shin was not a town read... He was more of a neutral. And I told everyone before, if shin had betrayed me, then I'd be trapped for night 2. And I didn't want that...
But if Day 1 was mostly defending yourself, you should still be able to suss out to some degree which of the players attacking you were coming from a town perspective v a scummier approach. I'll cede the Shin read being neutral since I'm not digging around to verify this. But also, asking him not to betray you is different from you betraying him.
Regardless of your read on others, Mafia isn't a solo game. I'm indifferent on you betraying him to some degree, but doing that and not gifting anyone (you didn't have any town reads strong enough?) is questionable at best to me.
You're also shifting the blame for the outcome to Shin, which isn't alignment-indicative per se, except that it's another case of self-defense. I don't see the townie mindset in how you're approaching your defense.
But if Day 1 was mostly defending yourself, you should still be able to suss out to some degree which of the players attacking you were coming from a town perspective v a scummier approach. I'll cede the Shin read being neutral since I'm not digging around to verify this. But also, asking him not to betray you is different from you betraying him.
Regardless of your read on others, Mafia isn't a solo game. I'm indifferent on you betraying him to some degree, but doing that and not gifting anyone (you didn't have any town reads strong enough?) is questionable at best to me.
You're also shifting the blame for the outcome to Shin, which isn't alignment-indicative per se, except that it's another case of self-defense. I don't see the townie mindset in how you're approaching your defense.
no not really? Let me see we had Azreal? Who felt more like he was pocketing... And Dawn who doesn't need more BP she needs less... So ya, and my plan was to betray from the start, everyone knew that... And again if I was afraid of being scum read more for not using my ability then why would I not use it???
Because you have to weigh that against not wanting to give BP to town?
but if I was scum, would I not give BP to my buddies? or even town to blend it? like I dont see how me not using my ability even correlates with being scummy.
I see.
so 2 consecutive posts max
edit only if nobody posted afterwards and you want to clarify things
(since I'd assume live clarification in conversation is allowed?)
list of title claims
daredevil - potential death when shooting someone, abilities are a minus
manipulator - rb with AB choice? can pass results around
first responder - idk
retaliator - literal
bp giver - literal
doctor - literal (new)
tracker - literal (new)
DV: town detective - literal [dead]
Grapefruit: town reviver - literal [dead]
[@Shinichi #4814]
the grounds of fullclaiming is to:
1. self-preserve
2. gain trust
3. counterclaim
4. ...anything else I'm missing?
you didn't need to self-preserve at the time,
you didn't want to gain my trust,
so the least I can think of is to counterclaim... but you should've done that before Grapefruit's lynch, which you ended up 'forced' to join.
[@Cythare #4813]
there's no need to claim at the moment, but I listed what was claimed so far. I think any more claims would be bad for town. vig+roleblocker and doctor has been outed, and might be set up for a lynch/NK combo in this phase.
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I agree that JoeTerry seemed panicky about the whole situation while the claim was going on, but I'm satisfied with his explanation of what he was doing - I feel like if he were scum, he'd have had a much worse explanation.
slips don't exist as far as I'm concerned.
"Shinichi townslipped"? hah! the way he claimed roleblocker now but never counterclaimed me back on D1, yet voted Grapefruit despite himself just to secure a lynch, just shows he isn't town. coasting on towncred for the Grapefruit lynch~
there are tells, but nobody would slip unwittingly. I know I won't slip, I'm careful as either alignment even if I'm this annoying. Azrael may be the crazy uncle, but I don't think he will slipped. neither would I believe Iso 'townslipped' with his counterclaim/retract stunt.
show me something less 'slippery'. too many slips in this game to be considered a coincidence anymore. at least point me to meta, if you wanna make it credible.
judging from this gamestate, I'm starting to believe Azrael is town. we have a constant push for the Azrael lynch, and we aren't up against just 1 mafia. doesn't even look like the mafia team are trying to 'bus' Azrael. the momentum of this train is town. granted, I'm not always right in reading gamestates. but that's how it stands for now.
ISO on the word "slip" provided above. I still don't think slips happen this easily.
Jenna:
* Please point out everything I've lied about.
* How is Phoenix cleared of all suspicion? You have once again failed to take into account that he could just be lying about his ability.
* Why would scumtom kill you when you were clearly a prime suspect going into toDay?
It seems to me you're basing half of your reads on your emotions rather than the facts, which suggests to me that you need to re-assess.
from this, I'd say they're not s/s. probably t/s.
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nope I honestly didn't care to give anyone Bp yesterday, self centered yes, but the way I saw it, most of day 1 was me defending myself... And day 1 shin was not a town read... He was more of a neutral. And I told everyone before, if shin had betrayed me, then I'd be trapped for night 2. And I didn't want that...
I think you should read Shinichi's ISO, he's been self-centered about how to play the AB game as well. and it looks like Shinichi planned to Betray everyone, so for him to Ally with you (and tell me he only planned to betray Dawn/LnG) looks like a lie.
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@Shin, Silence of the Lambs mafia team had a watcher, and it was insanely useful as we caught both the doctor and a gift giver the same night wjth a fortunate watch. I dont think tracker or watcher are j
inherently scummy.
I see.
so 2 consecutive posts max
edit only if nobody posted afterwards and you want to clarify things
(since I'd assume live clarification in conversation is allowed?)
So, generally, you can use multiquote to put a bunch of replies all into one post - it takes a bit longer but makes it easier to read (and also encourages a response to likewise be contained to a single post).
The 2 consecutive posts isn't a hard & fast rule, but beyond that, it should be like if no one has responded in a few hours, then you can post again with new thoughts.
Don't edit an existing post ever. Use another post if necessary, but if you're multiquoting (and refreshing to see any new posts), then that will be a second or maybe third post instead of creating a larger string of posts.
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Thanks for the additional info - I'll read up on it.
But as scum, you just claim you didn't use your ability and then give BP to your scumbuddy. There's no reason to create a paper trail.
except i actually didnt use my ability, and ur assuming otherwise because you think the possible action would be for me to give BP. You can keep asking me questions about this, but there are many reasons why I didnt use my ability...
@Cythare, I tend to give some credence to dead townie reads anyways, but GF has played with DBS on another site and felt relatively confident about her meta. Also, multiquote sucks on mobile.
nope I honestly didn't care to give anyone Bp yesterday, self centered yes, but the way I saw it, most of day 1 was me defending myself... And day 1 shin was not a town read... He was more of a neutral. And I told everyone before, if shin had betrayed me, then I'd be trapped for night 2. And I didn't want that...
I think you should read Shinichi's ISO, he's been self-centered about how to play the AB game as well. and it looks like Shinichi planned to Betray everyone, so for him to Ally with you (and tell me he only planned to betray Dawn/LnG) looks like a lie.
well then why did he ally me then? unless he believed I was town? and did he really say he was gunna betray evéryone? seems like another slip if thats so
But as scum, you just claim you didn't use your ability and then give BP to your scumbuddy. There's no reason to create a paper trail.
except i actually didnt use my ability, and ur assuming otherwise because you think the possible action would be for me to give BP. You can keep asking me questions about this, but there are many reasons why I didnt use my ability...
I'm saying that because I thought that was your ability? It's possible that I've just misread this and latched onto something that's incorrect. If I'm misinterpreting your ability, then I'll drop the point.
But as scum, you just claim you didn't use your ability and then give BP to your scumbuddy. There's no reason to create a paper trail.
except i actually didnt use my ability, and ur assuming otherwise because you think the possible action would be for me to give BP. You can keep asking me questions about this, but there are many reasons why I didnt use my ability...
I'm saying that because I thought that was your ability? It's possible that I've just misread this and latched onto something that's incorrect. If I'm misinterpreting your ability, then I'll drop the point.
Nope, I didn't misinterpret (I just got to your full claim). Maybe there's something more going on here, but if your role is to give people BP, and you have people that you trust, idk why you hoard the BP. Could just be that I don't understand your tactics or that there's something more that I don't know, but it seeems scummy to me.
Cite that. You mean to tell me you've gone through 15 years of azrael games and figured that out? No, you're talking out of your ass, bc no one is really bothering to call you on any of your lies and laziness, except dawn.
Does anyone believe that Iso/Az are scum/scum, and not just "it could be possible if I squint hard enough" but actually believe they are, and why?
Does anyone believe they're both town, legitimately believe it, not just "it could be possible"? Why?
@Iso/Az: have you guys ever been scum together before? How did you play it?
I believe it is possible they are scum/scum and I do not have to squint particularly hard to see it.
If they are Town/Town then this game is probably lost because we are so far off attacking each other it might not even be possible to recover. In that event the scum are probably the ones not saying much of anything.
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But as scum, you just claim you didn't use your ability and then give BP to your scumbuddy. There's no reason to create a paper trail.
except i actually didnt use my ability, and ur assuming otherwise because you think the possible action would be for me to give BP. You can keep asking me questions about this, but there are many reasons why I didnt use my ability...
I'm saying that because I thought that was your ability? It's possible that I've just misread this and latched onto something that's incorrect. If I'm misinterpreting your ability, then I'll drop the point.
Nope, I didn't misinterpret (I just got to your full claim). Maybe there's something more going on here, but if your role is to give people BP, and you have people that you trust, idk why you hoard the BP. Could just be that I don't understand your tactics or that there's something more that I don't know, but it seeems scummy to me.
Allying when you've said you will likely betray does not sound like a scum slip.
At least not if the interaction has one or more town in it.
Agreed. It doesn't indicate town per se, but this is definitely not a scenario to apply "Lynch all Liars" to.
so why does me not using my ability automatically adhere to what you believe? "Once you see someone as scummy everything they do is scummy." I might have to do a detailed explanation later tonight on why exactly I didnt use my ability, just so people stop bringing it up, Im not not in the mood for another "Lets lynch Wisp" extravaganza. and my point with the above comment was to show you, that what you think might mean one thing, it might mean the complete opposite to others, and no matter how much I push that, the above might be a scum slip, you would never believe me... Thats my point here, nothing I say would give you any less reason to think what I did last night was scummy. and my answer to that, is I dont care.
Does anyone believe that Iso/Az are scum/scum, and not just "it could be possible if I squint hard enough" but actually believe they are, and why?
Does anyone believe they're both town, legitimately believe it, not just "it could be possible"? Why?
@Iso/Az: have you guys ever been scum together before? How did you play it?
I believe it is possible they are scum/scum and I do not have to squint particularly hard to see it.
If they are Town/Town then this game is probably lost because we are so far off attacking each other it might not even be possible to recover. In that event the scum are probably the ones not saying much of anything.
yep scum are just gliding through this game laughing their ass off, what a ridiculous assumption to make at this point... and we dont know who is town, thats why we are attacking each other, it makes no sense to just place everyone in town/scum reads and just lock them in, because then at that point its obvious that the said person is actually the informed rather then the uninformed.
and again whats with the morbid last sentence? Are you about to place all the blame on Azreal, and Iso, if they both end up as mislynches, or put it solely on town? Is this a site wide thing? where a mislynch or two makes this game a loss for town? If there is a will there is always a way.
and I still believe iso/az are W/V, but the possibility that they will both flip scum is there, but extremely small.
so why does me not using my ability automatically adhere to what you believe? "Once you see someone as scummy everything they do is scummy." I might have to do a detailed explanation later tonight on why exactly I didnt use my ability, just so people stop bringing it up, Im not not in the mood for another "Lets lynch Wisp" extravaganza. and my point with the above comment was to show you, that what you think might mean one thing, it might mean the complete opposite to others, and no matter how much I push that, the above might be a scum slip, you would never believe me... Thats my point here, nothing I say would give you any less reason to think what I did last night was scummy. and my answer to that, is I dont care.
I'd love a more detailed explanation, and will stop tunneling you in the mean time. I may be losing perspective here and have plenty of other reading to do.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'd love a more detailed explanation, and will stop tunneling you in the mean time. I may be losing perspective here and have plenty of other reading to do.
Nah... At least as far as I can tell, LW's pretty much stayed the same the entire game, minus a general increase in frustration a couple times.
I'd love a more detailed explanation, and will stop tunneling you in the mean time. I may be losing perspective here and have plenty of other reading to do.
Nah... At least as far as I can tell, LW's pretty much stayed the same the entire game, minus a general increase in frustration a couple times.
I don't see an issue with multiple protection claims because of the BP aspect in this game. Even if Dawn, Shin, and Az are all telling the truth, it's not like they can act every night due to the BP costs (for Shin and Az) or the thresholds Dawn has to be at. So maybe there are an abundance of roles to make up for the limited uses? Besides, we don't know what kind of powerful roles scum might have.
Regardless lynching the claimed doctor is a terrible idea. At least give him one night phase and if he's still alive re-evaluate. I don't think Azreal has been scummy anyway and I have thought the lynch was bad from the beginning. There's no need for scum to put as much effort into scumhunting and figuring out the game as he has.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Again with the counter claim, if there is no duplicates then what? My role aint similar to yours at all, outside of stopping abilities.
Iso makes a good point there have been alot of protective role claims and the fact he hid is role name says alot because everoyne has seemed to have some kind of role name.
Mine being the Town Manipulator.
sorry, what?
half of your role is the same as (half of) hers
and half is a direct counter. like, what do you think the point of your second ability is?
and yours is the only of the three that isnt protective, since it doesnt stop a kill. right?
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az and dawning both being able to stop a kill would be a bit iffy game design wise as v/v.
like, just imagine some night theres no kill and az claims he protected ____ so they are confirmed town. then dawning says well i roleblocked ______ so they are confirmed scum. id like to think bur thinks of things like that
shin and az's roles work on a town together.
kinda think shin/dawning never work together
az/dawning... inelegant but maybe
someone might be lying. but if everything is true i think dawning is still pretty unlikely to be town. and the role really makes sense as neutral. the being able to kill when youre closer to death part especially reeks of third party.
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killjoy not reading jenna's claim post and just voting looks like a scum mentality
not sure if it actively makes him scum with phoenix, but that does make sense in context of him just... expecting the guilty result on his buddy unvote, vote killjoy
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@iso iirc your reasons for me/az were initially that we were deflecting from a jenna lynch. and then we had like 4 more wagons day 1 and your read on az became about something else but you just... kept shrugging and saying i was scum too and pointing at your iso.
like, if az is lock scum why am i not just the town that was wondering about you not looking like town iso that scum az ******* RAN with?
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@whisper would you expect shin to analyze himself/his own role if hes town? or scum really?
that said, i do think its a bit strange his thoughts on others' roles doesnt seem to include the context of his own role. (see above)
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ima work on consolidating my thoughts and figuring out an actual rainbow wall, but aorn:
I'd love a more detailed explanation, and will stop tunneling you in the mean time. I may be losing perspective here and have plenty of other reading to do.
Nah... At least as far as I can tell, LW's pretty much stayed the same the entire game, minus a general increase in frustration a couple times.
really? #feelsbad
I'm just trying to figure out if that's staying constant as town or as scum.
Claims: LnG - Quark Town Analyzer. 4 BP. (2): target someone to see whether they betrayed or not. Did not use. (NEEDS Ability Name) Last - Sean Town BP Giver. 3 BP. (1) Access the System: Give 1 BP to a target player. Did not use. Jenna - ?????? Town Tracker. 3 BP. (2): Track target player. Tracked Phoenix to DV's corpse. (NEEDS Ability Name and Character Name) DBS - Alice - Town Daredevil. 4 BP. (0): Roleblock target player. Use this ability only is you have exactly 3 BP. (0): Kill Target Player. Use this ability only if you have exactly 1 BP. Did not use either. (NEEDS Ability Names) Phoenix - Carlos, Town First Responder. Passive: Scene of the Crime: Whenever a player dies, you will gather info about their role. When their alignment is revealed, as long as you are alive, that info will be public, showing all of their ability details and starting BP. If your BP reaches zero by betrayal, this ability passes to the player who betrayed you. If you die in any other way, it does not pass. ISO - Clover, Town Retaliator. 3 BP. Passive: When you die, kill target if you have at least 7 BP (NEEDS Ability Name) Osie - XXX, Town Neighbourizer. X BP. (1) Gain a neighbor chat for that Night with the player with whom I am paired. Used with KJ (NEEDS Name and Ability Name, no need for starting BP) Azrael - Diana Town Doctor. 3 BP. (2) Doc target. (NEEDS Ability Name) Shinichi - Phi Town Manipulator. X BP. Passive: -If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair. (NEEDS Ability name)
Flips: DV - Seven - Town Detective. 3 BP. Epiphany (6): Target a player. You will remember the alignment of that player at the end of night. Grape - Santa - Town Reviver. 4 BP. Wish Come True (7): Target a dead town-aligned player. That player will be revived and both you and that player will gain the following passive ability:
The Most Important Person: When you die, each other player with this same ability dies with you.
@Terry: Why are you collecting this in one place like this?
Because scum will have all this info and more anyways, might as well share it with everyone else. I also have some angles to investigate based off of it.
Azrael. Please describe the wording on your ability and it's name.
Heavily Paraphrased:
Hospital Knowledge: Choose a person. You shall utilize your abilities to prevent them from dying if there is a solitary effort to kill them.
Is the solitary part paraphrased? You can't kill someone if there are multiple efforts to kill them? Do you not actually target, or was "Choose" paraphrased too?
Azrael. Please describe the wording on your ability and it's name.
Heavily Paraphrased:
Hospital Knowledge: Choose a person. You shall utilize your abilities to prevent them from dying if there is a solitary effort to kill them.
Is the solitary part paraphrased? You can't kill someone if there are multiple efforts to kill them? Do you not actually target, or was "Choose" paraphrased too?
Is the solitary part paraphrased? You can't kill someone if there are multiple efforts to kill them? Do you not actually target, or was "Choose" paraphrased too?
Choose is paraphrased. If there are multiple tries, I don't work.
Why the trust in GF's reads? Just because he's town doesn't mean he's right. Am I missing things from D1 (which I haven’t reviewed yet)?
I’m assuming that you discussed using your ability yesterday? This is a decidedly selfish decision – did you not have any town reads? I don’t really have time to dig through your old posts to find your read on Shinichi, but you seem to be interacting relatively cordially at first glance for someone you betrayed. EDIT: Apparently you townread him per #3866 (if this is incorrect, then my bad).
Again, very self-centered “I didn’t want to get more scum read”.
Not ready to vote, as I'd like to review this further and I'm still woefully out-of-date, but I'm interested in a Lastwhisper lynch based on where I'm currently at.
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ehhh... I made that edit here which was only adding a name and that wasn't allowed?? I'm confused...
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Regardless of your read on others, Mafia isn't a solo game. I'm indifferent on you betraying him to some degree, but doing that and not gifting anyone (you didn't have any town reads strong enough?) is questionable at best to me.
You're also shifting the blame for the outcome to Shin, which isn't alignment-indicative per se, except that it's another case of self-defense. I don't see the townie mindset in how you're approaching your defense.
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so 2 consecutive posts max
edit only if nobody posted afterwards and you want to clarify things
(since I'd assume live clarification in conversation is allowed?)
list of title claims
daredevil - potential death when shooting someone, abilities are a minus
manipulator - rb with AB choice? can pass results around
first responder - idk
retaliator - literal
bp giver - literal
doctor - literal (new)
tracker - literal (new)
DV: town detective - literal [dead]
Grapefruit: town reviver - literal [dead]
- Shinichi's ISO
- searches with the word "slip" (5 pages too much to be a coincidence)
- link to my old posts
- D2 readlist
- D2 readlist again
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[@Shinichi #4814]
the grounds of fullclaiming is to:
1. self-preserve
2. gain trust
3. counterclaim
4. ...anything else I'm missing?
you didn't need to self-preserve at the time,
you didn't want to gain my trust,
so the least I can think of is to counterclaim... but you should've done that before Grapefruit's lynch, which you ended up 'forced' to join.
[@Cythare #4813]
there's no need to claim at the moment, but I listed what was claimed so far. I think any more claims would be bad for town. vig+roleblocker and doctor has been outed, and might be set up for a lynch/NK combo in this phase.
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Iso possibly siding Terry in this one.
ISO on the word "slip" provided above. I still don't think slips happen this easily.
from this, I'd say they're not s/s. probably t/s.
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Be grateful, always."
inherently scummy.
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The 2 consecutive posts isn't a hard & fast rule, but beyond that, it should be like if no one has responded in a few hours, then you can post again with new thoughts.
Don't edit an existing post ever. Use another post if necessary, but if you're multiquoting (and refreshing to see any new posts), then that will be a second or maybe third post instead of creating a larger string of posts.
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Thanks for the additional info - I'll read up on it.
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And implying that I was less productive than Grapefruit is extremely dishonest.
@Tom: Why the vote?
@Az: Actually, I think that Grape claiming would have made it too easy for the scum team to force a No Lynch.
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At least not if the interaction has one or more town in it.
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I believe it is possible they are scum/scum and I do not have to squint particularly hard to see it.
If they are Town/Town then this game is probably lost because we are so far off attacking each other it might not even be possible to recover. In that event the scum are probably the ones not saying much of anything.
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Azrael (5): Iso, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Jenna Tolaria, Lastwhisper, osieorb18
Lastwhisper (1): Kabazame
dawningbluesky (1): Shinichi
Iso (2): dawningbluesky, Azrael
osieorb18 (1): tomsloger
Not voting (5): Cythare, Phoenix-Fire, Killjoy, LnGrrrR, Axelrod
With 15 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is Thursday, November 23rd at 11.59 pm EST.
and again whats with the morbid last sentence? Are you about to place all the blame on Azreal, and Iso, if they both end up as mislynches, or put it solely on town? Is this a site wide thing? where a mislynch or two makes this game a loss for town? If there is a will there is always a way.
and I still believe iso/az are W/V, but the possibility that they will both flip scum is there, but extremely small.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Nah... At least as far as I can tell, LW's pretty much stayed the same the entire game, minus a general increase in frustration a couple times.
Everybody can do that as either alignment, though, so it is really not indicative of whether one is scum or town.
really? #feelsbad
Regardless lynching the claimed doctor is a terrible idea. At least give him one night phase and if he's still alive re-evaluate. I don't think Azreal has been scummy anyway and I have thought the lynch was bad from the beginning. There's no need for scum to put as much effort into scumhunting and figuring out the game as he has.
Mostly because Az is scum, but hey.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
sorry, what?
half of your role is the same as (half of) hers
and half is a direct counter. like, what do you think the point of your second ability is?
and yours is the only of the three that isnt protective, since it doesnt stop a kill. right?
which brings me to
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az and dawning both being able to stop a kill would be a bit iffy game design wise as v/v.
like, just imagine some night theres no kill and az claims he protected ____ so they are confirmed town. then dawning says well i roleblocked ______ so they are confirmed scum. id like to think bur thinks of things like that
shin and az's roles work on a town together.
kinda think shin/dawning never work together
az/dawning... inelegant but maybe
someone might be lying. but if everything is true i think dawning is still pretty unlikely to be town. and the role really makes sense as neutral. the being able to kill when youre closer to death part especially reeks of third party.
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killjoy not reading jenna's claim post and just voting looks like a scum mentality
not sure if it actively makes him scum with phoenix, but that does make sense in context of him just... expecting the guilty result on his buddy
unvote, vote killjoy
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@iso iirc your reasons for me/az were initially that we were deflecting from a jenna lynch. and then we had like 4 more wagons day 1 and your read on az became about something else but you just... kept shrugging and saying i was scum too and pointing at your iso.
like, if az is lock scum why am i not just the town that was wondering about you not looking like town iso that scum az ******* RAN with?
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@whisper would you expect shin to analyze himself/his own role if hes town? or scum really?
that said, i do think its a bit strange his thoughts on others' roles doesnt seem to include the context of his own role. (see above)
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ima work on consolidating my thoughts and figuring out an actual rainbow wall, but aorn:
ALLY:
jenna
lngrr
axel
joe
ALLY WITH RESERVATIONS:
whisper
az
kaba
shin
BETRAY:
dawning
phoenix
kj
iso
osi
cyth
(unordered within tiers)
I'm just trying to figure out if that's staying constant as town or as scum.
AB:
dawningbluesky / Phoenix-Fire (A/B)
Killjoy / osieorb18 (???)
Axelrod / D_V (???)
Iso / Azrael (B/B Assumed)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry / Kabazame (B/A)
Jenna Tolaria / tomsloger (A/A)
lastwhisper / Shinichi (B/A)
Megiddo / LnGrrrR (A/A)
Claims:
LnG - Quark Town Analyzer. 4 BP. (2): target someone to see whether they betrayed or not. Did not use. (NEEDS Ability Name)
Last - Sean Town BP Giver. 3 BP. (1) Access the System: Give 1 BP to a target player. Did not use.
Jenna - ?????? Town Tracker. 3 BP. (2): Track target player. Tracked Phoenix to DV's corpse. (NEEDS Ability Name and Character Name)
DBS - Alice - Town Daredevil. 4 BP. (0): Roleblock target player. Use this ability only is you have exactly 3 BP. (0): Kill Target Player. Use this ability only if you have exactly 1 BP. Did not use either. (NEEDS Ability Names)
Phoenix - Carlos, Town First Responder. Passive: Scene of the Crime: Whenever a player dies, you will gather info about their role. When their alignment is revealed, as long as you are alive, that info will be public, showing all of their ability details and starting BP. If your BP reaches zero by betrayal, this ability passes to the player who betrayed you. If you die in any other way, it does not pass.
ISO - Clover, Town Retaliator. 3 BP. Passive: When you die, kill target if you have at least 7 BP (NEEDS Ability Name)
Osie - XXX, Town Neighbourizer. X BP. (1) Gain a neighbor chat for that Night with the player with whom I am paired. Used with KJ (NEEDS Name and Ability Name, no need for starting BP)
Azrael - Diana Town Doctor. 3 BP. (2) Doc target. (NEEDS Ability Name)
Shinichi - Phi Town Manipulator. X BP. Passive: -If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair. (NEEDS Ability name)
Flips:
DV - Seven - Town Detective. 3 BP. Epiphany (6): Target a player. You will remember the alignment of that player at the end of night.
Grape - Santa - Town Reviver. 4 BP. Wish Come True (7): Target a dead town-aligned player. That player will be revived and both you and that player will gain the following passive ability:
The Most Important Person: When you die, each other player with this same ability dies with you.
Heavily Paraphrased:
Hospital Knowledge: Choose a person. You shall utilize your abilities to prevent them from dying if there is a solitary effort to kill them.
Choose is paraphrased. If there are multiple tries, I don't work.
If by that you mean I cannot stop 4 different kill attempts at once, you are correct.