@LW, I highly doubt that scum!Jenna has a bus with scum!Phoenix that early D2. That just makes no sense, especially since Phoenix was widely town-read. I think you can safely eliminate that option.
@Terry, so... you thought Jenna was lying and you were trying to trap her. Ok. Why the pseudo-counter claim? I don't get your plan. If she says she tracked you (and really, that's thinking low of her play), then you claim otherwise, it's a battle between you and her. You probably win, and then she gets lynched. How would that work out for her? Even if she got you lynched, as soon as you flipped town, she would be instalynched D3.
Frankly, for you to believe said plan, you'd have to think Jenna can't think ahead past a Day, AND didn't talk at all with her scum team about any of her plans. That... beggars belief.
But I didn't counter claim and I didn't think very highly of her play at the time. I only implied that I might counter claim, not once did I ever say I was counter claiming. I did this to ensure that she was being truthful. In my mind, I wanted to bait her into lying and saying that I visited DV, when I didn't, so I could 1 for 1 with her.
Still dont understand what you would have gained from it? What if she is actually town and your so called false cc you were planning to make got her mislynched?
lmao he's was looking at one side of the wine, u pick one and focus on it... It's good to look at both sides, but still have to support a side... And what if she ended up flipping town... Does that automatically make him scum, and again how in a game of collective action would a mislynch even remotely be the fault of one person...
@terry #4643 pointing out that you will be night killed on night 2 makes it alot harder for us to gain anything if u were to be targeted, so what was the reason for posting this?
I mean DBS has the 2 different abilities while everyone elses abilities corridinate pretty well.
I feel like roles that have to rely too much on betrayal lean more towards the scum side but i obviously have no way to support that do to DV and GF roles being town aligned while costing so much.
Jenna/Az/Phoenix/DBS/Wisp
Feel like their roles have the highest chance of being scum based on ability
Im replying to this knowing AZ claimed doctor atleast thats what i read
where is this correlation... And why is my and Phoenix's role most likely scumed based, and what does as claiming doctor have to do with anything u stated???
Moron lol this was a post on page 93, az hadnt claimed yet so I wanted people to know I added AZ doc claim as a possibl role that could be scummy whats not to get?
You can give people BP? Sounds like a nice role for scum does it not? Phoenix role basically holds town by a noose which is what worries me.
Also forgot to put The vengeful claim in that list of people
of course my ability can be helpful for both alignments... Lol, why are u focused on my role claim all of a sudden...
CAUSE OF THE POST THAT WAS POINTING OUT THE ROLES, are you seriously being that dense right now?
should've added ur own role in that good damn list then, are you daft? Like ur role could flip either way also........ No need to be biased in that sense, if your gunna point out roles that can be scummy w/o looking at the god damn player then ur role should be in that list also
I'm not sure Shinichi has a genuine tunnel, it feels sinister. reasonable explanations doesn't make someone town ~.~
Sure, five or ten reasonable explanations over the course of 4500 posts could be shrugged away, but we're nearing an least twenty at this point, possibly thirty.
Shinichi is a player who tends to hammer the brick wall in his conversations. it can easily be misconstrued as reasonable. factually, anyone who refuses to take in the new pieces of information and harbors on the old...is just hammering a brick wall. mind showing me what new pieces of information has changed Shinichi's view of me, for better or worse? in the light of D2, he asked me if I wanted to see his fullclaim, then said it was me who outed him, which shows he isn't taking in any new pieces of information at all.
.... I think I forgot to tell everyone that.... games with me are always confusing lolol
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Were those said by town or mafia? It seems peculiar. I've expressed exhaustion but that is simply because I am staying up far too late to participate. Those seem like attacks at a player without expressing suspicion.
they were said from town, to me as town. no malice involved, but I confused everyone enough to give them real headaches.
Thanks. As for Shinichi, I wish I had cataloged the instances, but even as early as his post #200, he was suggesting things that belied inside knowledge, to which he later revealed he was only speaking in a hypothetical. It appears to be a pattern: suggestions are spoken as fact, conjectures are conclusions.
give me an example of qhat made u think he had insider information.. if i can remember some of those posts
Page 4, post 200 makes heavy implications. Same with his post in the 400 range.
And again almost all of the roles claimed so far could be scum... So why did u leave out Osie's or Grr's... I feel like this is a slip of some sorts...
And again @Shin, I asked you where you see 3 protective roles??
Maybe I just need to switch real Terry and Jenna, that was ridiculous. Osie I think is just terribly but honestly mistaken, but man, those reads are tunneled hard. Idk, Terry could just be having an awful read too I suppose, but should at least be in the conversation. Bunch of personality/playstyle based cases I think is the issue, as if I don't defend cases/gather info in a like manner consistently. Terry is literally still making my claimimg scum habit a central point in his case after being told I've done that for twelve years. And jumping on my not stating the completely obvious role name like it's some kind of smoking gun. No. You're just not being objective.
@Tom: My thought on Jenna's claim wasn't a track on Pheonix, but a watch on DV. I assumed that's why she asked everyone. She had watched DV and saw someone target him.
yes, but that post came after she claimed tracker
I was reading on mobile at work. I didn't see that part. I only saw her asking everyone to claim if they targetted DV.
so...you didnt see her claim a track on phoenix?
why did you vote him?
I feel like Tom could very possibly be onto something here. Killjoy is a nagging itch in the back of my head that I haven't had time to scratch.
And oh, by the way, I'm the doctor. Kill Iso first. vote: Iso *mic drop* Spectator thread, I'll see you soon.
Really, Az?
Problems with this: (1) Scum on ropes claim Doctor. (2) You claimed this like it clears you ("mic drop") when it clearly doesn't. Overstating the case. (3) Martyrdom. (4) This comes after most people have either already claimed or claimed that their roles aren't any good, improving the odds for a Doc. gambit.
That said, not everyone has claimed, so a CC is/was still a real risk. You could have decided the benefit to scum, given your precarious situation, was worth it.
Still, ima Unvote for now whilst I muse through it some more.
Flavor paraphrase about having murdered six people, no, miscount, actually six billion. (You know, nice, friendly sounding stuff.)
Then my text goes on to say I'm actually very mild, non-violent person and my *searches for synonyms* hospital skills will help me live through this. (HA! Because being the doctor totally doesn't make you a lightning rod)
Then some stuff about feeling a lot of pressure, not being adequate to meet the heavy demands on me, disliking myself because of that.
Abilities are 3 BP, -2 to doc. Since a couple of days ago I debated about lying and saying I have an additional ability where I can burn myself out to block the kill, but *shrug*, probably not believable by either alignment and I think I got the scum pinned down anyways, so whatever happens next, feels less critical at the moment.
Somewhat interesting how this parallels Jenna's claim. Not sure that - at 3 BP starting - I would have felt the urgent need to call out a warning that betraying you could result in your instant death in your first post of the game. Technically, yes? But you will always live as long as you make sure to Betray yourself, so, misleading?
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Also I have much of a hate for meta reading is my brother for the exact same reasons as him, it discourages new things, and makes games boring, use it for a basis, but don't make it your whole argument. It's also still just a 50/50 you can easily mislynch town, and in this case we are referring to a mods over game creation meta. Which is an even worse reason to vote someone...
And we recently had to change the rules in Mafia Society, b/c of flavoring game, kudos for catching mafia, but not a fair way to play the game... And again my anger over it was used to Lynch me as the next mafia, so my emotions got me lynched there, and the cycle all began with a little flavor gaming. Was not a fun experience at all...
Meta gaming
Mod Gaming
Flavor Gaming
Useing Time Stamps
Using offline or Online Status
All that ***** is not only pathetic but also very very very flawed.
I am not gonna just let phoneix live because people think either based on a mods previous game or not that the role itself should or shouldnt be scum aligned.
I believe his role is way to convienent, if you believe that as well you shouldnt just ignore him because his role supposedly helps town.
Taking a step back for a second to say something with the admin hat. Don't call other users trolls or otherwise attack them/insult them/taunt them as a person. I know that Mafia is a game of backstabbing and plotting, but keep it to the game itself, not the user on the other side of the screen. Additional issues will be moderated.
-Your reading what I said wrong, If you the player ask me to full claim then im assuming you expect me to claim do you not? If so that means you wanted me to claim? I dont understand why that concept is so hard to grasp. If you dont want to take the blame for someones claim then dont ask them to claim its simple as that.
Real talk though, are we all claiming? I am still slogging through old posts but also trying to keep up with current events.
You can claim Doctor if you want to. I would be okay with that.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Also I have much of a hate for meta reading is my brother for the exact same reasons as him, it discourages new things, and makes games boring, use it for a basis, but don't make it your whole argument. It's also still just a 50/50 you can easily mislynch town, and in this case we are referring to a mods over game creation meta. Which is an even worse reason to vote someone...
And we recently had to change the rules in Mafia Society, b/c of flavoring game, kudos for catching mafia, but not a fair way to play the game... And again my anger over it was used to Lynch me as the next mafia, so my emotions got me lynched there, and the cycle all began with a little flavor gaming. Was not a fun experience at all...
1. what defines meta? it helps to speed up the reading process of players, and get on to the meat of the game. some people use burden of proficiency as the definition of meta, but that's twisted.
2. still at it?? I had to deal with that 2 times as scum, FROM THE SAME PERSON, and never complained. .........get a life. if I can handle 2 times of that and wanna learn how to get around it, there's even less reason for you to cry wolf =.=
So because your ok with something every other person who has played mafia has to be ok with it? I think not lol
Stuff like that destroys the moral aspect of mafia people will refuse to play if ***** like that is allowed to slip into games.
Shin why didn't you cc dawning yesterday?
Especially about the factional kill part tbh
No reason to CC, I didnt see my role as a counter claim to hers. The factional kill part was off, but thats also why i keep saying shes lieing about her role lol. Because why would bursama state something in my role and not in hers. The only thing I can think of is that she can roleblock factional kills.
Also I have much of a hate for meta reading is my brother for the exact same reasons as him, it discourages new things, and makes games boring, use it for a basis, but don't make it your whole argument. It's also still just a 50/50 you can easily mislynch town, and in this case we are referring to a mods over game creation meta. Which is an even worse reason to vote someone...
And we recently had to change the rules in Mafia Society, b/c of flavoring game, kudos for catching mafia, but not a fair way to play the game... And again my anger over it was used to Lynch me as the next mafia, so my emotions got me lynched there, and the cycle all began with a little flavor gaming. Was not a fun experience at all...
1. what defines meta? it helps to speed up the reading process of players, and get on to the meat of the game. some people use burden of proficiency as the definition of meta, but that's twisted.
2. still at it?? I had to deal with that 2 times as scum, FROM THE SAME PERSON, and never complained. .........get a life. if I can handle 2 times of that and wanna learn how to get around it, there's even less reason for you to cry wolf =.=
just because u did nothing about it doesn't make it less wrong... And if you never speak up then it will happen again and again, because the person has no reason to believe it's cheating...
how was that wrong per se? everyone has their own ways of playing. instead of dictating how others should play, you should learn to adapt.....or drop out. socializing means learning to adapt to situations, nor conforming them to your own view. this is a social game, is it not? some players are better in mechanical gameplay (which involves flavor or claims), while others are better at behavioral analysis (the traditional way of gamesolving). times are always evolving, and so are the methods that people play. the only way someone is cheating is when they know the setup or alignment before a game starts, or break a rule that has been established - and there aren't any rules against flavor-gaming.
There are no rules against flavor gaming.
You ever wondered why they add Sample Role PMS? Its the only way to stop people from flavor gaming.
Its like implying its ok to cheat aslong as you don't get caught lmfao
where is this correlation... And why is my and Phoenix's role most likely scumed based, and what does as claiming doctor have to do with anything u stated???
Moron lol this was a post on page 93, az hadnt claimed yet so I wanted people to know I added AZ doc claim as a possibl role that could be scummy whats not to get?
You can give people BP? Sounds like a nice role for scum does it not? Phoenix role basically holds town by a noose which is what worries me.
Also forgot to put The vengeful claim in that list of people
of course my ability can be helpful for both alignments... Lol, why are u focused on my role claim all of a sudden...
CAUSE OF THE POST THAT WAS POINTING OUT THE ROLES, are you seriously being that dense right now?
should've added ur own role in that good damn list then, are you daft? Like ur role could flip either way also........ No need to be biased in that sense, if your gunna point out roles that can be scummy w/o looking at the god damn player then ur role should be in that list also
WHy would I do that? It implies I am scummy which I am not lol.
Whats scummy about my role? Unless you think I am lieing the ally aspect would harm the scum team.
And again almost all of the roles claimed so far could be scum... So why did u leave out Osie's or Grr's... I feel like this is a slip of some sorts...
Grrr's role can be scum, but like I said that role aligns with his behavior so I believe hes town.
I actually forgot what Osie claimed? Was it him or Iso who claimed vengeful?
@Terry
mind explaining the difference between 'track' and 'watch'? how can one be negative and another be positive? I think of them as the same term.
Im assuming terry answered this
But Trackers tend to be scum aligned, no reason to have a mafia aligned watcher so makes a huge difference if someone claims tracker.
I've seen plenty of town trackers (although they are less common than watchers). Scum watchers are very rare, but a tracker is not alignment-indicative.
Also, Doc claim is scumfakeclaim 101. We should be lynching Az with prejudice.
I would suggest you refresh yourself on my case on Az, dawn, rather than assuming I don't have one. There's a nifty tool that you can use to do that that I linked tom to earlier.
Anyway, Az has dictated the pace of this game entirely too much for someone who's clearly been intentionally misleading us from when he started making real posts. If Az flips town, I will happily eat a lynch next. But he won't. So let's kill him.
@Terry
mind explaining the difference between 'track' and 'watch'? how can one be negative and another be positive? I think of them as the same term.
Im assuming terry answered this
But Trackers tend to be scum aligned, no reason to have a mafia aligned watcher so makes a huge difference if someone claims tracker.
I've seen plenty of town trackers (although they are less common than watchers). Scum watchers are very rare, but a tracker is not alignment-indicative.
Its not of course its not, but if someone claimed watcher I would be less worried than someone who claimed tracker.
if anyone is bussing Azrael, it's Iso. it's the perfect clearance for Iso if Azrael flips scum. but...that also doesn't make sense with their lynch theatre. nobody I can think of outside of that, which is why I think Azrael is town.
It looks like they're mafia together so you're not going to believe they're mafia together? How does that follow?
I don't think ISO vs. Az is S vs. S. Too early for a power bus.
Maybe I just need to switch real Terry and Jenna, that was ridiculous. Osie I think is just terribly but honestly mistaken, but man, those reads are tunneled hard. Idk, Terry could just be having an awful read too I suppose, but should at least be in the conversation. Bunch of personality/playstyle based cases I think is the issue, as if I don't defend cases/gather info in a like manner consistently. Terry is literally still making my claimimg scum habit a central point in his case after being told I've done that for twelve years. And jumping on my not stating the completely obvious role name like it's some kind of smoking gun. No. You're just not being objective.
My case was soooooo much more than you saying you were scum. Wake up.
Moron lol this was a post on page 93, az hadnt claimed yet so I wanted people to know I added AZ doc claim as a possibl role that could be scummy whats not to get?
You can give people BP? Sounds like a nice role for scum does it not? Phoenix role basically holds town by a noose which is what worries me.
Also forgot to put The vengeful claim in that list of people
of course my ability can be helpful for both alignments... Lol, why are u focused on my role claim all of a sudden...
CAUSE OF THE POST THAT WAS POINTING OUT THE ROLES, are you seriously being that dense right now?
should've added ur own role in that good damn list then, are you daft? Like ur role could flip either way also........ No need to be biased in that sense, if your gunna point out roles that can be scummy w/o looking at the god damn player then ur role should be in that list also
WHy would I do that? It implies I am scummy which I am not lol.
Whats scummy about my role? Unless you think I am lieing the ally aspect would harm the scum team.
no ur implying the roles are scummy, arent you? So ya that means u should be in there, you arent refering to the player but the players roles... and if my role is scummy, and I was scum day 1, why did you not advocate my lynch???
Note that I have very little context for this. Did you already have a scum read on whoever the tracker is? Did they track in a questionable way, or are you just throwing shade on tracking?
Also, Doc claim is scumfakeclaim 101. We should be lynching Az with prejudice.
I would suggest you refresh yourself on my case on Az, dawn, rather than assuming I don't have one. There's a nifty tool that you can use to do that that I linked tom to earlier.
Anyway, Az has dictated the pace of this game entirely too much for someone who's clearly been intentionally misleading us from when he started making real posts. If Az flips town, I will happily eat a lynch next. But he won't. So let's kill him.
Doc claim is either CC or let it go to night and see if the scum kill it, 101. And what do you mean, "since I started" making real posts. Iso, you haven't made a "real post" this entire game. And I'm the bad guy for trying to rally this completely wchizophrenic, leaderless town to actually consolidate and make some lunches? Get out of here, scum Iso. If I really were scum, I'd be doing exactly what you are right now. Sitting on my butt, not trying to bail this town out and kick it into some semblance of a plan.
Please, consolidate and make me some lunches. I'm hungry.
And no, I'm pretty sure that as scum, you'd be doing exactly what you're doing now.
Cite that. You mean to tell me you've gone through 15 years of azrael games and figured that out? No, you're talking out of your ass, bc no one is really bothering to call you on any of your lies and laziness, except dawn.
Of course I've gone through most of the old games. There was a point in time when I lived and breathed Mafia - I used to play in 10 games at once, remember? dawn isn't calling me on anything except her faulty memory, because she probably can't even remember what she had for breakfast this morning. None of her arguments on me make any sense and completely disregard all forms of context. I can taste your desperation. It's delicious. Please, flail more.
I'm not really interested in sheeping. Also now I'm starting to get how this game has so many posts.
Plz?
And yeah, people seem to have forgotten that there's a multi-quote button despite my reminders. Also, the constant back-and-forths between Shinichi, dawn, and LW are a slog to read through.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also, Doc claim is scumfakeclaim 101. We should be lynching Az with prejudice.
I would suggest you refresh yourself on my case on Az, dawn, rather than assuming I don't have one. There's a nifty tool that you can use to do that that I linked tom to earlier.
Anyway, Az has dictated the pace of this game entirely too much for someone who's clearly been intentionally misleading us from when he started making real posts. If Az flips town, I will happily eat a lynch next. But he won't. So let's kill him.
@lastwhisper
i know that and I asked him the same question...
But I forgot ur other ability technically bad u a protective role, but still, you and Az only makes two protective roles...
of course my ability can be helpful for both alignments... Lol, why are u focused on my role claim all of a sudden...
CAUSE OF THE POST THAT WAS POINTING OUT THE ROLES, are you seriously being that dense right now?
should've added ur own role in that good damn list then, are you daft? Like ur role could flip either way also........ No need to be biased in that sense, if your gunna point out roles that can be scummy w/o looking at the god damn player then ur role should be in that list also
WHy would I do that? It implies I am scummy which I am not lol.
Whats scummy about my role? Unless you think I am lieing the ally aspect would harm the scum team.
no ur implying the roles are scummy, arent you? So ya that means u should be in there, you arent refering to the player but the players roles... and if my role is scummy, and I was scum day 1, why did you not advocate my lynch???
@LW, I highly doubt that scum!Jenna has a bus with scum!Phoenix that early D2. That just makes no sense, especially since Phoenix was widely town-read. I think you can safely eliminate that option.
@Terry, so... you thought Jenna was lying and you were trying to trap her. Ok. Why the pseudo-counter claim? I don't get your plan. If she says she tracked you (and really, that's thinking low of her play), then you claim otherwise, it's a battle between you and her. You probably win, and then she gets lynched. How would that work out for her? Even if she got you lynched, as soon as you flipped town, she would be instalynched D3.
Frankly, for you to believe said plan, you'd have to think Jenna can't think ahead past a Day, AND didn't talk at all with her scum team about any of her plans. That... beggars belief.
But I didn't counter claim and I didn't think very highly of her play at the time. I only implied that I might counter claim, not once did I ever say I was counter claiming. I did this to ensure that she was being truthful. In my mind, I wanted to bait her into lying and saying that I visited DV, when I didn't, so I could 1 for 1 with her.
Still dont understand what you would have gained from it? What if she is actually town and your so called false cc you were planning to make got her mislynched?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Note that I have very little context for this. Did you already have a scum read on whoever the tracker is? Did they track in a questionable way, or are you just throwing shade on tracking?
Nope I thought she was pretty helpful and I still think she is town, i just think its quite convient that she claimed tracker is all.
of course my ability can be helpful for both alignments... Lol, why are u focused on my role claim all of a sudden...
CAUSE OF THE POST THAT WAS POINTING OUT THE ROLES, are you seriously being that dense right now?
should've added ur own role in that good damn list then, are you daft? Like ur role could flip either way also........ No need to be biased in that sense, if your gunna point out roles that can be scummy w/o looking at the god damn player then ur role should be in that list also
WHy would I do that? It implies I am scummy which I am not lol.
Whats scummy about my role? Unless you think I am lieing the ally aspect would harm the scum team.
no ur implying the roles are scummy, arent you? So ya that means u should be in there, you arent refering to the player but the players roles... and if my role is scummy, and I was scum day 1, why did you not advocate my lynch???
Because I aint going to lynch someone on their role alone?
@terry #4643 pointing out that you will be night killed on night 2 makes it alot harder for us to gain anything if u were to be targeted, so what was the reason for posting this?
Also again what if Jenna is town?
Pointing out that I will be NKed is just an obvious statement if I ended up going 1 for 1 with Jenna. I'm really tired of explaining it. If Jenna would have claimed to have seen me visit DV, which I know for a FACT, would be a lie, I would have went after her with unholy fury, got her lynched and everyone would know I am town, therefore I would be the prime target for the mafia kill.
I know. added that extra line there. clearing players based off flips is generally a bad idea. like if Dawn/Shin flipped scum, doesn't mean the other one is cleared. I'm gonna rely on my vigshot for that (and die or get rb in the process).
I mean if i was to be partnered with you, the only way you could reach the threshold for the vig shot would be for me to betray you, therefore blocking your only other ability lol.
@terry #4643 pointing out that you will be night killed on night 2 makes it alot harder for us to gain anything if u were to be targeted, so what was the reason for posting this?
Also again what if Jenna is town?
Pointing out that I will be NKed is just an obvious statement if I ended up going 1 for 1 with Jenna. I'm really tired of explaining it. If Jenna would have claimed to have seen me visit DV, which I know for a FACT, would be a lie, I would have went after her with unholy fury, got her lynched and everyone would know I am town, therefore I would be the prime target for the mafia kill.
I think ur making the outcome events look way more simplistic then they are... And I think you should drop this, there would be literally no reason for Jenna to go into 1v1 by lying on day 2... It makes no sense... And again ur plan made no sense lmao... Which is why I still believe u targeted DV, does that mean I think your scum? Absoultely not, I'm just saying that you should drop this matter for the time being.
@terry #4643 pointing out that you will be night killed on night 2 makes it alot harder for us to gain anything if u were to be targeted, so what was the reason for posting this?
Also again what if Jenna is town?
Pointing out that I will be NKed is just an obvious statement if I ended up going 1 for 1 with Jenna. I'm really tired of explaining it. If Jenna would have claimed to have seen me visit DV, which I know for a FACT, would be a lie, I would have went after her with unholy fury, got her lynched and everyone would know I am town, therefore I would be the prime target for the mafia kill.
I think ur making the outcome events look way more simplistic then they are... And I think you should drop this, there would be literally no reason for Jenna to go into 1v1 by lying on day 2... It makes no sense... And again ur plan made no sense lmao... Which is why I still believe u targeted DV, does that mean I think your scum? Absoultely not, I'm just saying that you should drop this matter for the time being.
I have a real hard time grokking this as a town mentality, also. I know my own reaction, 100%, after seeing GF flip was a mental facepalm exactly in line with DBS' sentiments. He should have claimed.
yess someone agrees!!!!
Scum team is Iso, Shin, Jenna, Tom.
And oh, by the way, I'm the doctor. Kill Iso first. vote: Iso *mic drop* Spectator thread, I'll see you soon.
lol. and great I get my suspects to roleblock. vigshot on em next. Shinichi is dead to me anyways.
Do you not scum read AZ? If so why are you happy hes scum reading me?
Also I never implied I had a town mentality in this game, I am scummy by nature due to how I play but i accept that. I also accept being lynched if thats the only way to prove I am town aligned.
I didn't see the part where she claimed tracker. No. I saw the part where she voted Pheonix, which led me to believe she was the only person who she saw target DV with a watch. I saw other people saying she wa tracker so I figured it out from there.
Can you talk to me about your thought process with voting after Jenna did without actually knowing what she said in the context of it? I find it difficult to believe that you just didn't read her explanation post before following with a vote.
Az: Why claim now? We aren't in a rush to get to eod, and your wagon wasn't building up super quickly.
That said, I'm never lynching a claimed doc this far from LyLo.
Iso: "If Az flips town you can lynch me", is not productive if you're town. Come on man, he claimed a role that scum will never leave alive if it's true, why do you want to waste a lynch when we can look elsewhere. Your confidence does not make sense to me, and if he's alive after a couple of days, you just think we're going to ignore him forever? Your play today doesn't make sense; you literally think I'm lying about my claim and still want to lynch elsewhere, 100% seriously, and I'm not seeing the town mindset.
@Shinichi: Regarding Last, his specific reaction to my claim does not look like it comes from a scum mindset; he didn't try and spin anything onto anyone, he just played it out like a townie actually trying to understand everything. If he's scum he pretty much pittled around when he could have taken an angle.
-Coming into a game playing at 2 different personalities in my opinion is a form of trolling, nonetheless shes still being helpful.
-I am getting to the point where ISO is just being scum that is hiding behind is really large ego, but Idk if that just me starting to get fustrated at his way of thinking.
-Your role can be scum aligned, I mean from my experience alot of roles that have passive effects that once killed hinder town align more with scum to eep us from wanting to lynch said person. Overall I do believe your ability is way to convienent.
-I won't lynch a lurker for lurking give a better reason and maybe that will persuaude me
-Mod Error or not I don't like how Jenna is taking advantage of that to claim you have to be town, when I still barely see it.
-I full claimed obviously paraphrased eactly what was in my role pm take that with a grain of salt if you will, im not used to people having to PM their kills abilities yes, but not night kills.
-Why wont you lynch LW?
lmao... Remember when Abu's death caused two night phases too occur, remember what he flipped? Ohh wait he was town, and scum got him lynched because they used this excuse that his ability was a negative for the town so that he could use it to survive as mafia...
So according to this 1 game we sohuldnt lynch said player?
@terry #4643 pointing out that you will be night killed on night 2 makes it alot harder for us to gain anything if u were to be targeted, so what was the reason for posting this?
Also again what if Jenna is town?
Pointing out that I will be NKed is just an obvious statement if I ended up going 1 for 1 with Jenna. I'm really tired of explaining it. If Jenna would have claimed to have seen me visit DV, which I know for a FACT, would be a lie, I would have went after her with unholy fury, got her lynched and everyone would know I am town, therefore I would be the prime target for the mafia kill.
I mean why you when the mafia have like plenty of people who have claimed useful roles, if i was mafia I would rather target someone that presents real harm to my team through ability not someone who is confirmed town.
@Phoenix: I honestly just need to re-read the game but the quantity of posts is making that nigh-impossible. I have Az for lockscum, and tom for his buddy, but I think I need to re-assess the rest of where I stand.
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My case was soooooo much more than you saying you were scum. Wake up.
Wake up yourself. I said "a central point."
You're not even understanding when I type to you in plain English at this point.
A Central Point!? Why did you focus on this instead of like the part where I said:
But the biggest problem I see is that, he mostly spends time talking about how players are town, which is easy to do as scum. It's harder to build a case on a townie as scum and I think that's why all of the "Scum Cases" he's built seem so flimsy.
-Coming into a game playing at 2 different personalities in my opinion is a form of trolling, nonetheless shes still being helpful.
-I am getting to the point where ISO is just being scum that is hiding behind is really large ego, but Idk if that just me starting to get fustrated at his way of thinking.
-Your role can be scum aligned, I mean from my experience alot of roles that have passive effects that once killed hinder town align more with scum to eep us from wanting to lynch said person. Overall I do believe your ability is way to convienent.
-I won't lynch a lurker for lurking give a better reason and maybe that will persuaude me
-Mod Error or not I don't like how Jenna is taking advantage of that to claim you have to be town, when I still barely see it.
-I full claimed obviously paraphrased eactly what was in my role pm take that with a grain of salt if you will, im not used to people having to PM their kills abilities yes, but not night kills.
-Why wont you lynch LW?
lmao... Remember when Abu's death caused two night phases too occur, remember what he flipped? Ohh wait he was town, and scum got him lynched because they used this excuse that his ability was a negative for the town so that he could use it to survive as mafia...
So according to this 1 game we sohuldnt lynch said player?
lmao my point is did anyone even scum read him before this, other then maybe me??? and ur saying ur not looking at just the role, but wtf was the point of making a list of roles that look scummy? if there is no correlation between that and the player then literally why did you even post it? To fear monger? to confuse town? it literally baffles me. My point is no one was even scum reading Phoenix before his claim, so why are you focusing on his role, rather then him himself???
@Phoenix: Sadly, I don't think I've had the honor of being on scumAz's team. I think the same is true for Iso/Cyan, which was another pairing I wanted before he retired, but oh well.
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@Phoenix: I honestly just need to re-read the game but the quantity of posts is making that nigh-impossible. I have Az for lockscum, and tom for his buddy, but I think I need to re-assess the rest of where I stand.
Az: Why claim now? We aren't in a rush to get to eod, and your wagon wasn't building up super quickly.
That said, I'm never lynching a claimed doc this far from LyLo.
I was torn about it, and going back and forth, but my concern was that if I have the majority of the scum identified, what we need is a momentum shift to execute and get those lynches secured. It seemed like we were heading towards a stagnant day with a lot of wasted effort focused on me, and I didn't want to see us wind up in another CFD situation because I allowed the town to derp around and fence-sit on me for too long. It's real pain getting any legitimate wagons together, since we're so badly fractured.
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@Phoenix: I honestly just need to re-read the game but the quantity of posts is making that nigh-impossible. I have Az for lockscum, and tom for his buddy, but I think I need to re-assess the rest of where I stand.
tom for his buddy, since when?
Since fairly early Day 1. Have you been reading my posts?
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@Phoenix: I honestly just need to re-read the game but the quantity of posts is making that nigh-impossible. I have Az for lockscum, and tom for his buddy, but I think I need to re-assess the rest of where I stand.
tom for his buddy, since when?
Since fairly early Day 1. Have you been reading my posts?
apparently not, sorry lol. I didn't really recall anyone saying Tom could be scum here, except for my self
I've very much been calling tom scum. Do you not remember our exchange where I called you out for calling Jenna scum for something tom did but not calling tom scum at the same time?
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I've very much been calling tom scum. Do you not remember our exchange where I called you out for calling Jenna scum for something tom did but not calling tom scum at the same time?
I've very much been calling tom scum. Do you not remember our exchange where I called you out for calling Jenna scum for something tom did but not calling tom scum at the same time?
Also again what if Jenna is town?
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And again @Shin, I asked you where you see 3 protective roles??
Really, Az?
Problems with this: (1) Scum on ropes claim Doctor. (2) You claimed this like it clears you ("mic drop") when it clearly doesn't. Overstating the case. (3) Martyrdom. (4) This comes after most people have either already claimed or claimed that their roles aren't any good, improving the odds for a Doc. gambit.
That said, not everyone has claimed, so a CC is/was still a real risk. You could have decided the benefit to scum, given your precarious situation, was worth it.
Still, ima Unvote for now whilst I muse through it some more.
This echos my thought, so good on LW for whatever that's worth.
Somewhat interesting how this parallels Jenna's claim. Not sure that - at 3 BP starting - I would have felt the urgent need to call out a warning that betraying you could result in your instant death in your first post of the game. Technically, yes? But you will always live as long as you make sure to Betray yourself, so, misleading?
What are you considering "protective" here?
Meta gaming
Mod Gaming
Flavor Gaming
Useing Time Stamps
Using offline or Online Status
All that ***** is not only pathetic but also very very very flawed.
I am not gonna just let phoneix live because people think either based on a mods previous game or not that the role itself should or shouldnt be scum aligned.
I believe his role is way to convienent, if you believe that as well you shouldnt just ignore him because his role supposedly helps town.
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-Your reading what I said wrong, If you the player ask me to full claim then im assuming you expect me to claim do you not? If so that means you wanted me to claim? I dont understand why that concept is so hard to grasp. If you dont want to take the blame for someones claim then dont ask them to claim its simple as that.
You can claim Doctor if you want to. I would be okay with that.
So because your ok with something every other person who has played mafia has to be ok with it? I think not lol
Stuff like that destroys the moral aspect of mafia people will refuse to play if ***** like that is allowed to slip into games.
No reason to CC, I didnt see my role as a counter claim to hers. The factional kill part was off, but thats also why i keep saying shes lieing about her role lol. Because why would bursama state something in my role and not in hers. The only thing I can think of is that she can roleblock factional kills.
There are no rules against flavor gaming.
You ever wondered why they add Sample Role PMS? Its the only way to stop people from flavor gaming.
Its like implying its ok to cheat aslong as you don't get caught lmfao
Im assuming terry answered this
But Trackers tend to be scum aligned, no reason to have a mafia aligned watcher so makes a huge difference if someone claims tracker.
WHy would I do that? It implies I am scummy which I am not lol.
Whats scummy about my role? Unless you think I am lieing the ally aspect would harm the scum team.
Grrr's role can be scum, but like I said that role aligns with his behavior so I believe hes town.
I actually forgot what Osie claimed? Was it him or Iso who claimed vengeful?
Someone mentioned 3 protective roles when I was back reading on page 96, unless i am seeing things.
I've seen plenty of town trackers (although they are less common than watchers). Scum watchers are very rare, but a tracker is not alignment-indicative.
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Its not of course its not, but if someone claimed watcher I would be less worried than someone who claimed tracker.
My case was soooooo much more than you saying you were scum. Wake up.
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Please, consolidate and make me some lunches. I'm hungry.
And no, I'm pretty sure that as scum, you'd be doing exactly what you're doing now.
Of course I've gone through most of the old games. There was a point in time when I lived and breathed Mafia - I used to play in 10 games at once, remember? dawn isn't calling me on anything except her faulty memory, because she probably can't even remember what she had for breakfast this morning. None of her arguments on me make any sense and completely disregard all forms of context. I can taste your desperation. It's delicious. Please, flail more.
Plz?
And yeah, people seem to have forgotten that there's a multi-quote button despite my reminders. Also, the constant back-and-forths between Shinichi, dawn, and LW are a slog to read through.
+1
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Wake up yourself. I said "a central point."
You're not even understanding when I type to you in plain English at this point.
But I forgot ur other ability technically bad u a protective role, but still, you and Az only makes two protective roles...
scum read* lmao inb4 scum slip haha
Cause the role alone has the same presence of roleblocker lol when it comes to being claimed, i aint someone that just accepts a claim looking away
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Nope I thought she was pretty helpful and I still think she is town, i just think its quite convient that she claimed tracker is all.
Because I aint going to lynch someone on their role alone?
I guess that makes sense
In a sense they protect by stopping harmful abilities, or the night kill.
I mean if i was to be partnered with you, the only way you could reach the threshold for the vig shot would be for me to betray you, therefore blocking your only other ability lol.
because I don't feel like ur helping it case...
Question how do you know dbs is a mislynch?
Another thing im happy that someone actually iso'd me, but idk how i feel about someone I am scum reading doing it.
Do you not scum read AZ? If so why are you happy hes scum reading me?
Also I never implied I had a town mentality in this game, I am scummy by nature due to how I play but i accept that. I also accept being lynched if thats the only way to prove I am town aligned.
Az: Why claim now? We aren't in a rush to get to eod, and your wagon wasn't building up super quickly.
That said, I'm never lynching a claimed doc this far from LyLo.
Iso: "If Az flips town you can lynch me", is not productive if you're town. Come on man, he claimed a role that scum will never leave alive if it's true, why do you want to waste a lynch when we can look elsewhere. Your confidence does not make sense to me, and if he's alive after a couple of days, you just think we're going to ignore him forever? Your play today doesn't make sense; you literally think I'm lying about my claim and still want to lynch elsewhere, 100% seriously, and I'm not seeing the town mindset.
@Shinichi: Regarding Last, his specific reaction to my claim does not look like it comes from a scum mindset; he didn't try and spin anything onto anyone, he just played it out like a townie actually trying to understand everything. If he's scum he pretty much pittled around when he could have taken an angle.
So according to this 1 game we sohuldnt lynch said player?
I mean why you when the mafia have like plenty of people who have claimed useful roles, if i was mafia I would rather target someone that presents real harm to my team through ability not someone who is confirmed town.
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Does anyone believe they're both town, legitimately believe it, not just "it could be possible"? Why?
@Iso/Az: have you guys ever been scum together before? How did you play it?
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I was torn about it, and going back and forth, but my concern was that if I have the majority of the scum identified, what we need is a momentum shift to execute and get those lynches secured. It seemed like we were heading towards a stagnant day with a lot of wasted effort focused on me, and I didn't want to see us wind up in another CFD situation because I allowed the town to derp around and fence-sit on me for too long. It's real pain getting any legitimate wagons together, since we're so badly fractured.
If we have, it wasn't memorable. And I don't recall bussing *any* of my scum teammates as hard as I'm attacking Iso right now, and vice versa.
Since fairly early Day 1. Have you been reading my posts?
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