nobody move. nobody use gambits. are-...are we sane now?
alright. time for me to learn.....mechanics! there's gonna be a lot of laughs but well, learning something new keeps things interesting.
disclaimer: if anything feels off or hostile, please remember that it is not intentional. and keep in mind this is more of a harmless practical joke, not exactly fluff but not exactly unfluffy. thanks for your time, read on, and godspeed. I'm just joking lol
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we have
- the AB games
- roles that probably aren't basic, or we have a mixed bag
- game flavor based on BP
- by modgaming standards, there should be 1 of each role
- 3 new people
- 2 who've played at least 1 time before
- the rest are regulars
anything down here is not basic or flavor:
Grapefruit - 6 BP reviver
Phoenix - passive reveal, considered a setup-influencing role
Iso - 7 BP vengeful
Osie - 1 BP neighborizer
Azrael - something that probably costs 2/3 BP, and a Betrayal(-1 BP) will get him killed.
those who haven't claimed:
Kaba
Tom
Megs!Cythare
Terry
Killjoy
Axel
Shinichi
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something I forgot about Iso when I questioned him:
when questioned about counterclaiming he said he had a THRESHOLD that was above what he currently has(4 BP), but when he fullclaimed he said his ability COST 7 BP. I'll dig it up when my pc isn't being a piece o ***** lol
I'm iffy about Osie's claim. neighborizer is a powerful role, especially near the end - the same applies to LnG's role (and it makes sense his ability was costly). LnG's claim counters him in a way..since they're weak roles at the start and powerful towards the end, with LnG winning since his role is flavor-based.
my PoE is still Osie/Iso.
in light of Iso messing up between counterclaiming/retracting, explaining he had threshold, then fullclaiming his ability was a cost - I'm more willing to lynch him.
Mod kill? Dbs edited
Why did should she be mod killed for doing it once, when it caused no ill intentions? She comes from a site where small edits are allowed, if i was given a chance in my last game it should be fair that DBS also gets that 1 chance.
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
lool. you got another title that fits you. I think this is a setup-influencing role, or an AB role. this kind of counters Phoenix/LnG in one? the Betray function fits our 'weak roleblocker' type. now I'm wondering if my rb is meant to double as doctor... this setup is crazy lol.
I dont give 2 *****s about my brothers playstyle, if you do something scummy you will get scum read if you say soemthing weird you will be questioned end of story. ALso you cant expect the entire game to just take your word for his playstyle lol.
I'm sure you're desperate to find a fault to pin on your own brother, that is why you don't care. it's in town's best interest to take all playstyles into account before making silly mistakes. likewise, nobody can take your word about your alignment or playstyle, so you have as much doubt as the rest of us. are you implying you're better? what gives you the urge to think that?
How so? If I was desperate I would have pushed him during the entirety of day 1 I would not have started now. No its not in towns best interests its in your best interests because thats your flawed way of saying this guy must be scum he only does this when hes scum.
Where did i imply my skill level was better?
you did push on Last the entire D1, iirc there was a time where he sized you up about being so focused on me...around the time he made a read on me for Grape to see. you pushed Last by poking his defense of me as scummy, and you were willing to lynch him too.
I don't recall this but I dont see why you would lie about it either, so i obviously was wrong here XD. Thought the entirety of day 1 is a huge stretch.
if it weren't for town making silly mistakes like focusing on easy mislynches we wouldn't have such a problematic Day 1!!
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I'm sure you're desperate to find a fault to pin on your own brother, that is why you don't care. it's in town's best interest to take all playstyles into account before making silly mistakes. likewise, nobody can take your word about your alignment or playstyle, so you have as much doubt as the rest of us. are you implying you're better? what gives you the urge to think that?
How so? If I was desperate I would have pushed him during the entirety of day 1 I would not have started now. No its not in towns best interests its in your best interests because thats your flawed way of saying this guy must be scum he only does this when hes scum.
Where did i imply my skill level was better?
you did push on Last the entire D1, iirc there was a time where he sized you up about being so focused on me...around the time he made a read on me for Grape to see. you pushed Last by poking his defense of me as scummy, and you were willing to lynch him too.
I don't recall this but I dont see why you would lie about it either, so i obviously was wrong here XD. Thought the entirety of day 1 is a huge stretch.
if it weren't for town making silly mistakes like focusing on easy mislynches we wouldn't have such a problematic Day 1!!
no such thing as an easy mislynch, since barely anyone knows me you or last so you cant expect them to consider either of you easy islynches. Same goes for jenna because she isalso new to this site.
i mean i believe Pheonix's claim but i feel like as helpful as his passive is, he could still be mafia under it, but hell if im taking that chance, if he dies the only thing we will get from death flips is alignment, which then we wouldnt be able to spot fake claims
Nothing honestly could stop him from being mafia, I mean this role is the perfect claim to give to a scum aligned player.
In retrospect, would a moderator really need to step in right now, and not earlier during the night if the mafia team were plotting who targets who? If the mafia have to submit their actions separately and privately from each other, I can believe this. Otherwise Phoenix-Fire is unquestionably town from the error. This isn't how I feel a game should be played, but I think the downside of my lost reaction test is balanced out by Phoenix-Fire being in the clear. I'm willing to move on. Mistakes happen.
Nothing has change from Day 1, yet you think I shouldnt be suspecting you how weird.
I do believe the change is that you townread Last, since you chose to Ally with him. coming into D2 and being Betrayed, you actually have a strong scumlean on Last. is that correct? that means Last is your stronger scumread since you've personally witnessed it.
Strong is an iffy choice of words
Also I already stated who i was planning to betray.
where?
Idk where but i stated it was you and LNR if i was partnered wiith you 2.
I see.. makes sense. LnG's role kind of counters yours, same as mine.
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i mean i believe Pheonix's claim but i feel like as helpful as his passive is, he could still be mafia under it, but hell if im taking that chance, if he dies the only thing we will get from death flips is alignment, which then we wouldnt be able to spot fake claims
Nothing honestly could stop him from being mafia, I mean this role is the perfect claim to give to a scum aligned player.
In retrospect, would a moderator really need to step in right now, and not earlier during the night if the mafia team were plotting who targets who? If the mafia have to submit their actions separately and privately from each other, I can believe this. Otherwise Phoenix-Fire is unquestionably town from the error. This isn't how I feel a game should be played, but I think the downside of my lost reaction test is balanced out by Phoenix-Fire being in the clear. I'm willing to move on. Mistakes happen.
WAit I am confused at what your trying to say here, can you clarifiy it better?
How so? If I was desperate I would have pushed him during the entirety of day 1 I would not have started now. No its not in towns best interests its in your best interests because thats your flawed way of saying this guy must be scum he only does this when hes scum.
Where did i imply my skill level was better?
you did push on Last the entire D1, iirc there was a time where he sized you up about being so focused on me...around the time he made a read on me for Grape to see. you pushed Last by poking his defense of me as scummy, and you were willing to lynch him too.
I don't recall this but I dont see why you would lie about it either, so i obviously was wrong here XD. Thought the entirety of day 1 is a huge stretch.
if it weren't for town making silly mistakes like focusing on easy mislynches we wouldn't have such a problematic Day 1!!
no such thing as an easy mislynch, since barely anyone knows me you or last so you cant expect them to consider either of you easy islynches. Same goes for jenna because she isalso new to this site.
you kidding, right? YOU know me and Last are easy mislynches, yet you focused on us. you can't excuse yourself over such a reasoning =.=
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[#1091] My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
[#1135] @dawn: I was under no obligation or pressure to claim. Calling me scummy because I read my role PM in under 2 seconds on my phone in passing exactly once - when I confirmed to Bur that I received my role PM - until I checked my role PM after I CCed you is...just further proof that you're looking for a reason to OMGUS me for something I'm not even doing. (That's basically what the long string of text you refused to try to read says.) I saw that you claimed Vig because of a post that got reported in here before I caught up to anything else, and I got excited and wanted to lynch you because I thought I was the Vig. I won't humor your attempts to fish for more information on my role because there's no need for me to claim at this point.
[#1158] I said I DON'T require BP for my ability activation. You can't say you suspected me for that initially when that didn't even happen until I counterclaimed you. Your sequence of events does not line up, here.
If I were scum, I'd have gone for the easy push on you rather than just questioning you. There would be no scrutiny my way for doing so because you were gaining votes as a result of my questioning. And then you claimed Vig and I CCed you. What is the scum motivation for putting a target on myself needlessly? What kind of idiot would I have to be to CC a Vig claim as scum? Are you thinking critically about this? Because I don't think you are.
You can't possibly know enough about the setup to make speculations as to my alignment based on the BP requirement for my ability's activation. Don't try to bull***** me.
Moreover, why would I CC the freaking Vig as scum
[#1303]As I said, when I reach a certain BP threshold, my ability becomes active - it just doesn't require any BP to use.
@LW: Once again, I'm not claiming any further information about my ability. If I'm pushed to claim range, fine - but until then, there's no need for me to put any more information in the thread about the way my ability works. That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
[#2694] I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
I didn't claim sooner because I didn't know I was at L-2 because I don't read the game on weekends. For ****'s sake.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability. Hence why I thought I was the Vig. The counterclaim SNAFU was not nearly grounds enough to be voting me and I'm playing the game the way I enjoy - I'm not interested in going back to my old playstyle short of a lifechanging event that enables me to do so.
[#3070] to Last:
I solved the game, though.
The only thing I'm inciting is your lynch!
[#3259] to Killjoy:
Grapefruit isn't an option. It's LW or Iso at this point.
[#2729] [(1) Regular vig. who needed to get to 7 BP
-(1a) and 7 was a "threshold" at which point you could fire every night as long as you stayed there]
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#1091: My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
#1303: That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
#2694: My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability.
#2729: paraphased as "thought I was vig with 7 BP threshold"
I'm confused?? he says he knows 100% his ability uses a threshold, but fullclaimed it as a cost.
you did push on Last the entire D1, iirc there was a time where he sized you up about being so focused on me...around the time he made a read on me for Grape to see. you pushed Last by poking his defense of me as scummy, and you were willing to lynch him too.
I don't recall this but I dont see why you would lie about it either, so i obviously was wrong here XD. Thought the entirety of day 1 is a huge stretch.
if it weren't for town making silly mistakes like focusing on easy mislynches we wouldn't have such a problematic Day 1!!
no such thing as an easy mislynch, since barely anyone knows me you or last so you cant expect them to consider either of you easy islynches. Same goes for jenna because she isalso new to this site.
you kidding, right? YOU know me and Last are easy mislynches, yet you focused on us. you can't excuse yourself over such a reasoning =.=
I know kyle is an easy mislynch, ive only played a few games with you and most of those games I dont recall you ever being lynched easily lol
nobody move. nobody use gambits. are-...are we sane now?
alright. time for me to learn.....mechanics! there's gonna be a lot of laughs but well, learning something new keeps things interesting.
disclaimer: if anything feels off or hostile, please remember that it is not intentional. and keep in mind this is more of a harmless practical joke, not exactly fluff but not exactly unfluffy. thanks for your time, read on, and godspeed. I'm just joking lol
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we have
- the AB games
- roles that probably aren't basic, or we have a mixed bag
- game flavor based on BP
- by modgaming standards, there should be 1 of each role
- 3 new people
- 2 who've played at least 1 time before
- the rest are regulars
anything down here is not basic or flavor:
Grapefruit - 6 BP reviver
Phoenix - passive reveal, considered a setup-influencing role
Iso - 7 BP vengeful
Osie - 1 BP neighborizer
Azrael - something that probably costs 2/3 BP, and a Betrayal(-1 BP) will get him killed.
those who haven't claimed:
Kaba
Tom
Megs!Cythare
Terry
Killjoy
Axel
Shinichi
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something I forgot about Iso when I questioned him:
when questioned about counterclaiming he said he had a THRESHOLD that was above what he currently has(4 BP), but when he fullclaimed he said his ability COST 7 BP. I'll dig it up when my pc isn't being a piece o ***** lol
I'm iffy about Osie's claim. neighborizer is a powerful role, especially near the end - the same applies to LnG's role (and it makes sense his ability was costly). LnG's claim counters him in a way..since they're weak roles at the start and powerful towards the end, with LnG winning since his role is flavor-based.
my PoE is still Osie/Iso.
in light of Iso messing up between counterclaiming/retracting, explaining he had threshold, then fullclaiming his ability was a cost - I'm more willing to lynch him.
Mod kill? Dbs edited
Why did should she be mod killed for doing it once, when it caused no ill intentions? She comes from a site where small edits are allowed, if i was given a chance in my last game it should be fair that DBS also gets that 1 chance.
uhhhh... idm a modkill .-.
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I don't recall this but I dont see why you would lie about it either, so i obviously was wrong here XD. Thought the entirety of day 1 is a huge stretch.
if it weren't for town making silly mistakes like focusing on easy mislynches we wouldn't have such a problematic Day 1!!
no such thing as an easy mislynch, since barely anyone knows me you or last so you cant expect them to consider either of you easy islynches. Same goes for jenna because she isalso new to this site.
you kidding, right? YOU know me and Last are easy mislynches, yet you focused on us. you can't excuse yourself over such a reasoning =.=
I know kyle is an easy mislynch, ive only played a few games with you and most of those games I dont recall you ever being lynched easily lol
you seen me in my first game, you seen how the others commented on me being an easy mislynch from experience. wut
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[#1091] My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
[#1135] @dawn: I was under no obligation or pressure to claim. Calling me scummy because I read my role PM in under 2 seconds on my phone in passing exactly once - when I confirmed to Bur that I received my role PM - until I checked my role PM after I CCed you is...just further proof that you're looking for a reason to OMGUS me for something I'm not even doing. (That's basically what the long string of text you refused to try to read says.) I saw that you claimed Vig because of a post that got reported in here before I caught up to anything else, and I got excited and wanted to lynch you because I thought I was the Vig. I won't humor your attempts to fish for more information on my role because there's no need for me to claim at this point.
[#1158] I said I DON'T require BP for my ability activation. You can't say you suspected me for that initially when that didn't even happen until I counterclaimed you. Your sequence of events does not line up, here.
If I were scum, I'd have gone for the easy push on you rather than just questioning you. There would be no scrutiny my way for doing so because you were gaining votes as a result of my questioning. And then you claimed Vig and I CCed you. What is the scum motivation for putting a target on myself needlessly? What kind of idiot would I have to be to CC a Vig claim as scum? Are you thinking critically about this? Because I don't think you are.
You can't possibly know enough about the setup to make speculations as to my alignment based on the BP requirement for my ability's activation. Don't try to bull***** me.
Moreover, why would I CC the freaking Vig as scum
[#1303]As I said, when I reach a certain BP threshold, my ability becomes active - it just doesn't require any BP to use.
@LW: Once again, I'm not claiming any further information about my ability. If I'm pushed to claim range, fine - but until then, there's no need for me to put any more information in the thread about the way my ability works. That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
[#2694] I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
I didn't claim sooner because I didn't know I was at L-2 because I don't read the game on weekends. For ****'s sake.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability. Hence why I thought I was the Vig. The counterclaim SNAFU was not nearly grounds enough to be voting me and I'm playing the game the way I enjoy - I'm not interested in going back to my old playstyle short of a lifechanging event that enables me to do so.
[#3070] to Last:
I solved the game, though.
The only thing I'm inciting is your lynch!
[#3259] to Killjoy:
Grapefruit isn't an option. It's LW or Iso at this point.
[#2729] [(1) Regular vig. who needed to get to 7 BP
-(1a) and 7 was a "threshold" at which point you could fire every night as long as you stayed there]
excerpts:
#1091: My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
#1303: That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
#2694: My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability.
#2729: paraphased as "thought I was vig with 7 BP threshold"
I'm confused?? he says he knows 100% his ability uses a threshold, but fullclaimed it as a cost.
I don't see him using the word "cost."
"I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability"
but I guess it can be interpreted both ways
other things I noticed
- said Grapefruit isn't an option, but voted in the end.
- scumreads Last.
- scumreads + votes Jenna.
Last/Jenna are starting to come off as town now. Iso thought Grapefruit would flip town. doesn't look like his scumreads are right, but he's saying so.
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-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
I really wish you had not claimed this.
Just because DBS asked you? DBS??? Since when do you do what he says?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
I really wish you had not claimed this.
Just because DBS asked you? DBS??? Since when do you do what he says?
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
I really wish you had not claimed this.
Just because DBS asked you? DBS??? Since when do you do what he says?
lol ikr. he's all over the place, just like his brother.
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-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
I really wish you had not claimed this.
Just because DBS asked you? DBS??? Since when do you do what he says?
why does it matter?
Wait, your role specifies that you cannot stop "factional" abilities.
And DBS, your role does not specify this?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
town daredevil - potential death when shooting someone, abilities are a minus
town manipulator - influence protect/block through AB choice? can pass results around
town bp giver - literal
town detective - literal
town reviver - literal
forgot what other titles there are
literal titles have only 1 ability, while those with 2 abilities have weird names?
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-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
I really wish you had not claimed this.
Just because DBS asked you? DBS??? Since when do you do what he says?
why does it matter?
Wait, your role specifies that you cannot stop "factional" abilities.
And DBS, your role does not specify this?
my role doesn't specify it.
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town daredevil - potential death when shooting someone, abilities are a minus
town manipulator - influence protect/block through AB choice? can pass results around
town bp giver - literal
town detective - literal
town reviver - literal
forgot what other titles there are
literal titles have only 1 ability, while those with 2 abilities have weird names?
and.... Phoenix claimed town first responder?
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town daredevil - potential death when shooting someone, abilities are a minus
town manipulator - influence protect/block through AB choice? can pass results around
town bp giver - literal
town detective - literal
town reviver - literal
forgot what other titles there are
literal titles have only 1 ability, while those with 2 abilities have weird names?
and.... Phoenix claimed town first responder?
forgot another one.. Iso claimed town retaliator - which sounds literal
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-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
I really wish you had not claimed this.
Just because DBS asked you? DBS??? Since when do you do what he says?
why does it matter?
Wait, your role specifies that you cannot stop "factional" abilities.
Interesting, so we have two roleblockers... if he cant stop factional kills, does that imply that someone can?
also @phraze seems kind of redundant for Isos ability to cost, rather then be a threshold, he would never be able to use it.
not sure about Iso. but might be town since his title matches.
I think Shin might be town...? he hounded me even before I brought up roleblocker, so he wasn't just going after me since he could counterclaim me.
my ability just says I can roleblock a player and it activates at 3 or less. nothing outside of that.
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I still don't think there's more than 1 of each role. your role sounds like a combo of doc/rb. dunno why you hounded me when I wasn't even close to being a counterclaim for you too..only when I claimed roleblocker. (besides the whole "I claimed before you lol")
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Phoenix claim a bit convenient. I've seen gravedigger roles before, witch hunts or whatever. Open setup. But the (apparent) interaction with tracker is a little lulzy and I'm not really sure that makes sense?
Jenna more or less confirmed now. I guess there could be a scum tracker/watcher, but not sure she would bother with all that if she was just gambiting. She'd want that to be beyond reproach.
Don't think her being scum with phoenix makes any sense. If he is scum fake (or true, I guess) claiming, Joe/kj/iso/axel look like possible buddies for various reasons surrounding claim stuff.
*another thing is how Shinichi was clueless of factional kills needing to be specified in pm until Tom brought it up, and now he fullclaims with specification.
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There's one particularly glaring problem with your plan, Terry. All the scum would know in advance that you're not scum and you didn't actually kill DV, while all the townies would not.
If someone intentionally acts guilty, as you admitted to trying to do, but the scum know that they're not guilty, that lets the scum easily know not to go anywhere near that trap. It's like glaring neon letters.
You are far more likely, not less, to bait a townie attack than a scum attack with said "trap." Because townies don't have the same inside information.
So no, I didn't put a ton of creedence in this being a pro-town gambit, because it doesn't actually work like you're saying it does. I usually assume town gambits actually have sound logic behind them, so I didn't put a lot of stock in that being what you were trying here. Apparently, I was wrong.
Phoenix reread still pending. But the interaction he's describing where he "passively" targets each dead players sounds like moderator malpractice to me, if that's how the game was designed. That's pretty convoluted stuff.
I still don't think there's more than 1 of each role. your role sounds like a combo of doc/rb. dunno why you hounded me when I wasn't even close to being a counterclaim for you too..only when I claimed roleblocker. (besides the whole "I claimed before you lol")
Uhm I dont think u read what i said properly
If i ally someone then there actions cant be messed with, I in no way or form protect them from any sort of killing.
As well as my roleblock only stop actions being used it does not stop kills.
As for this whole factional kill thing each site is different what does that have to do with my alignment?
I still don't think there's more than 1 of each role. your role sounds like a combo of doc/rb. dunno why you hounded me when I wasn't even close to being a counterclaim for you too..only when I claimed roleblocker. (besides the whole "I claimed before you lol")
Btw you believe I made up my role then? Cause what does that have to do with my alignment in any form?
So shin is like... rb/strongman
Except his target is chosen at random and he chooses whiChat to do
I mean...
This setup seems pretty interesting and I'm not gonna game it too much
But
dv/jenna/lngrr/phoenix info roles
Shin/dawning manipulative roles
Iso/dawning killing roles. If iso is to be believed there's a third out there.
Whisper/lngrr bp game related
Osi/shin can only target bp game partner
Thinking about witchhunt setup.
There's the priest, which is just a straight up alignment cop. Stronger than dvs role early because every night but the demons mess with it later so it about balances out. And then there's a bunch of weaker investigative roles. Gravedigger used to be one but they split it into odd night gd, even night undertaker (or possibly vice versa doesn't matter). And there's the acolyte. And there's a killing role that only triggers when you've lynched two town.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this I barely understand how witchhunts work after playing like 4 of them
But that's the only frame of reference I have for a no vanilla game with possibly no flips and a bunch of vaguely interconnected roles...
I guess 4 info roles makes sense? Kinda think one has to be scum but I do think all of phoenix/jenna/lngrr look town.
Dawning/shin and dawning/iso/[opposite of whispers claim] may be more problematic.
Not really sure what to make of people's reactions around this
Don't really like what Joe is doing but he still seems pretty genuine. Town that knows he's town or whatever. Believes in what he's doing.
Phoenix maybe looks OK? I liked him calling out iso not believing the claim but still wanting to lynch AZ. And the getting clarification from burr would be a nice touch if it is fake. He can probably just have the role as scum though.
Az... well he purportedly thought Joe and Jenna were scum together feel like he should have been all up in that possible scum theater.
Kjs flavorgaming is iffy. I mean, idk the flavor but kj seemed proud of it. Like maybe he came up with it in scum chat? Or is that silly?
Who is on your team? Has your team changed? Your behavior has noticeably changed as well.
The town. Not unless the scum have a recruiting role, or we have a Cultist - both of which I strongly doubt. Yes, my behavior is that of Iso who has given up all hope that his team is going to win, so I'm effectively going through the motions at this point. How good of you to notice.
I would like a more specific answer to the first question. Name names.
The people who aren't my scum reads.
When I say "name names" do you interpret that as "don't name names?" Please name the players you are talking about because I don't believe you were talking about anyone and the more you dodge the more that is sounding like the truth.
When I say "the people who aren't my scum reads", do you interpret that as "don't read my posts"? I'm telling you that you need to read the game.
[#1091] My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
[#1135] @dawn: I was under no obligation or pressure to claim. Calling me scummy because I read my role PM in under 2 seconds on my phone in passing exactly once - when I confirmed to Bur that I received my role PM - until I checked my role PM after I CCed you is...just further proof that you're looking for a reason to OMGUS me for something I'm not even doing. (That's basically what the long string of text you refused to try to read says.) I saw that you claimed Vig because of a post that got reported in here before I caught up to anything else, and I got excited and wanted to lynch you because I thought I was the Vig. I won't humor your attempts to fish for more information on my role because there's no need for me to claim at this point.
[#1158] I said I DON'T require BP for my ability activation. You can't say you suspected me for that initially when that didn't even happen until I counterclaimed you. Your sequence of events does not line up, here.
If I were scum, I'd have gone for the easy push on you rather than just questioning you. There would be no scrutiny my way for doing so because you were gaining votes as a result of my questioning. And then you claimed Vig and I CCed you. What is the scum motivation for putting a target on myself needlessly? What kind of idiot would I have to be to CC a Vig claim as scum? Are you thinking critically about this? Because I don't think you are.
You can't possibly know enough about the setup to make speculations as to my alignment based on the BP requirement for my ability's activation. Don't try to bull***** me.
Moreover, why would I CC the freaking Vig as scum
[#1303]As I said, when I reach a certain BP threshold, my ability becomes active - it just doesn't require any BP to use.
@LW: Once again, I'm not claiming any further information about my ability. If I'm pushed to claim range, fine - but until then, there's no need for me to put any more information in the thread about the way my ability works. That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
[#2694] I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
I didn't claim sooner because I didn't know I was at L-2 because I don't read the game on weekends. For ****'s sake.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability. Hence why I thought I was the Vig. The counterclaim SNAFU was not nearly grounds enough to be voting me and I'm playing the game the way I enjoy - I'm not interested in going back to my old playstyle short of a lifechanging event that enables me to do so.
[#3070] to Last:
I solved the game, though.
The only thing I'm inciting is your lynch!
[#3259] to Killjoy:
Grapefruit isn't an option. It's LW or Iso at this point.
[#2729] [(1) Regular vig. who needed to get to 7 BP
-(1a) and 7 was a "threshold" at which point you could fire every night as long as you stayed there]
excerpts:
#1091: My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
#1303: That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
#2694: My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability.
#2729: paraphased as "thought I was vig with 7 BP threshold"
I'm confused?? he says he knows 100% his ability uses a threshold, but fullclaimed it as a cost.
[#1091] My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
[#1135] @dawn: I was under no obligation or pressure to claim. Calling me scummy because I read my role PM in under 2 seconds on my phone in passing exactly once - when I confirmed to Bur that I received my role PM - until I checked my role PM after I CCed you is...just further proof that you're looking for a reason to OMGUS me for something I'm not even doing. (That's basically what the long string of text you refused to try to read says.) I saw that you claimed Vig because of a post that got reported in here before I caught up to anything else, and I got excited and wanted to lynch you because I thought I was the Vig. I won't humor your attempts to fish for more information on my role because there's no need for me to claim at this point.
[#1158] I said I DON'T require BP for my ability activation. You can't say you suspected me for that initially when that didn't even happen until I counterclaimed you. Your sequence of events does not line up, here.
If I were scum, I'd have gone for the easy push on you rather than just questioning you. There would be no scrutiny my way for doing so because you were gaining votes as a result of my questioning. And then you claimed Vig and I CCed you. What is the scum motivation for putting a target on myself needlessly? What kind of idiot would I have to be to CC a Vig claim as scum? Are you thinking critically about this? Because I don't think you are.
You can't possibly know enough about the setup to make speculations as to my alignment based on the BP requirement for my ability's activation. Don't try to bull***** me.
Moreover, why would I CC the freaking Vig as scum
[#1303]As I said, when I reach a certain BP threshold, my ability becomes active - it just doesn't require any BP to use.
@LW: Once again, I'm not claiming any further information about my ability. If I'm pushed to claim range, fine - but until then, there's no need for me to put any more information in the thread about the way my ability works. That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
[#2694] I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
I didn't claim sooner because I didn't know I was at L-2 because I don't read the game on weekends. For ****'s sake.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability. Hence why I thought I was the Vig. The counterclaim SNAFU was not nearly grounds enough to be voting me and I'm playing the game the way I enjoy - I'm not interested in going back to my old playstyle short of a lifechanging event that enables me to do so.
[#3070] to Last:
I solved the game, though.
The only thing I'm inciting is your lynch!
[#3259] to Killjoy:
Grapefruit isn't an option. It's LW or Iso at this point.
[#2729] [(1) Regular vig. who needed to get to 7 BP
-(1a) and 7 was a "threshold" at which point you could fire every night as long as you stayed there]
excerpts:
#1091: My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
#1303: That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
#2694: My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability.
#2729: paraphased as "thought I was vig with 7 BP threshold"
I'm confused?? he says he knows 100% his ability uses a threshold, but fullclaimed it as a cost.
I don't see him using the word "cost."
"I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability"
but I guess it can be interpreted both ways
other things I noticed
- said Grapefruit isn't an option, but voted in the end.
- scumreads Last.
- scumreads + votes Jenna.
Last/Jenna are starting to come off as town now. Iso thought Grapefruit would flip town. doesn't look like his scumreads are right, but he's saying so.
Congratulations, you noticed some of my reads? I stated why I voted Grapefruit and I clarified what I meant by my role. If you're going to keep flip-flopping on me because you can't remember the sequence of events in this game, I have no more interest in talking to you.
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Jeez this game moves fast. I haven't read anything yet, and am worried the pace will be infinite catch-up, but I'll see what I can get through by speed-reviewing over the next couple days.
Jeez this game moves fast. I haven't read anything yet, and am worried the pace will be infinite catch-up, but I'll see what I can get through by speed-reviewing over the next couple days.
kpop fan yey~
uhhh... why don't we lynch you to save you the trouble??
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
What does this even mean?
Congratulations, you noticed some of my reads? I stated why I voted Grapefruit and I clarified what I meant by my role. If you're going to keep flip-flopping on me because you can't remember the sequence of events in this game, I have no more interest in talking to you.
don't use me as an excuse that you won't gamesolve. not talking to me is the same as not wanting to gamesolve.
you're flip-flopping just as much as the rest of us, friend.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
Uhm I dont think u read what i said properly
If i ally someone then there actions cant be messed with, I in no way or form protect them from any sort of killing.
As well as my roleblock only stop actions being used it does not stop kills.
As for this whole factional kill thing each site is different what does that have to do with my alignment?
Btw you believe I made up my role then? Cause what does that have to do with my alignment in any form?
hmmm yeah, your role doesn't seem to be the main reason you hounded me. I'm still wondering what's up with your obsession over me tbh lol. being roleblocker doesn't seem to be your main motivation for that hounding on D1. this claim sounds like an extra reason to hound me some more, which could be stalling for time. ur making another excuse to play octopus lmao
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
Jeez this game moves fast. I haven't read anything yet, and am worried the pace will be infinite catch-up, but I'll see what I can get through by speed-reviewing over the next couple days.
I can't believe I don't play a game for 6 months, and when I finally decide to jump into one it turns into this....
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Uhm I dont think u read what i said properly
If i ally someone then there actions cant be messed with, I in no way or form protect them from any sort of killing.
As well as my roleblock only stop actions being used it does not stop kills.
As for this whole factional kill thing each site is different what does that have to do with my alignment?
Btw you believe I made up my role then? Cause what does that have to do with my alignment in any form?
hmmm yeah, your role doesn't seem to be the main reason you hounded me. I'm still wondering what's up with your obsession over me tbh lol. being roleblocker doesn't seem to be your main motivation for that hounding on D1. this claim sounds like an extra reason to hound me some more, which could be stalling for time. ur making another excuse to play octopus lmao
U asked me to claim therefore i claimed lol, my roleblockers ability had nothing to do with me hating your claim it was how you went about claiming idk how many times i have to repeat myself.
Uhm I dont think u read what i said properly
If i ally someone then there actions cant be messed with, I in no way or form protect them from any sort of killing.
As well as my roleblock only stop actions being used it does not stop kills.
As for this whole factional kill thing each site is different what does that have to do with my alignment?
Btw you believe I made up my role then? Cause what does that have to do with my alignment in any form?
hmmm yeah, your role doesn't seem to be the main reason you hounded me. I'm still wondering what's up with your obsession over me tbh lol. being roleblocker doesn't seem to be your main motivation for that hounding on D1. this claim sounds like an extra reason to hound me some more, which could be stalling for time. ur making another excuse to play octopus lmao
U asked me to claim therefore i claimed lol, my roleblockers ability had nothing to do with me hating your claim it was how you went about claiming idk how many times i have to repeat myself.
I asked you to claim on D1, but you kept deflecting by saying "I hate claiming". now on D2, you asked if I wanted to see your claim and I replied yes, so that was you just outing yourself without me involved. the way you went about your claim is just as bad, since you actually did it because a scumread of yours wanted to hear it. how does that make any more sense than mine?
what goes around comes around~ everyone gets into their own messes while I just spend my time doing cleanup. yeap.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
Why did should she be mod killed for doing it once, when it caused no ill intentions? She comes from a site where small edits are allowed, if i was given a chance in my last game it should be fair that DBS also gets that 1 chance.
When i saw town manipluator my face lit up haha
if it weren't for town making silly mistakes like focusing on easy mislynches we wouldn't have such a problematic Day 1!!
Be grateful, always."
no such thing as an easy mislynch, since barely anyone knows me you or last so you cant expect them to consider either of you easy islynches. Same goes for jenna because she isalso new to this site.
I see.. makes sense. LnG's role kind of counters yours, same as mine.
Be grateful, always."
WAit I am confused at what your trying to say here, can you clarifiy it better?
you kidding, right? YOU know me and Last are easy mislynches, yet you focused on us. you can't excuse yourself over such a reasoning =.=
Be grateful, always."
I know kyle is an easy mislynch, ive only played a few games with you and most of those games I dont recall you ever being lynched easily lol
uhhhh... idm a modkill .-.
Be grateful, always."
you seen me in my first game, you seen how the others commented on me being an easy mislynch from experience. wut
Be grateful, always."
"I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability"
but I guess it can be interpreted both ways
other things I noticed
- said Grapefruit isn't an option, but voted in the end.
- scumreads Last.
- scumreads + votes Jenna.
Last/Jenna are starting to come off as town now. Iso thought Grapefruit would flip town. doesn't look like his scumreads are right, but he's saying so.
Be grateful, always."
I really wish you had not claimed this.
Just because DBS asked you? DBS??? Since when do you do what he says?
why does it matter?
Be grateful, always."
Wait, your role specifies that you cannot stop "factional" abilities.
And DBS, your role does not specify this?
town manipulator - influence protect/block through AB choice? can pass results around
town bp giver - literal
town detective - literal
town reviver - literal
forgot what other titles there are
literal titles have only 1 ability, while those with 2 abilities have weird names?
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
bad impression here *cough*
I think this lacks a title
Be grateful, always."
forgot another one.. Iso claimed town retaliator - which sounds literal
Be grateful, always."
Yep mine specficies in the text
also @phraze seems kind of redundant for Isos ability to cost, rather then be a threshold, he would never be able to use it.
I think Shin might be town...? he hounded me even before I brought up roleblocker, so he wasn't just going after me since he could counterclaim me.
my ability just says I can roleblock a player and it activates at 3 or less. nothing outside of that.
Be grateful, always."
I still don't think there's more than 1 of each role. your role sounds like a combo of doc/rb. dunno why you hounded me when I wasn't even close to being a counterclaim for you too..only when I claimed roleblocker. (besides the whole "I claimed before you lol")
Be grateful, always."
Phoenix claim a bit convenient. I've seen gravedigger roles before, witch hunts or whatever. Open setup. But the (apparent) interaction with tracker is a little lulzy and I'm not really sure that makes sense?
Jenna more or less confirmed now. I guess there could be a scum tracker/watcher, but not sure she would bother with all that if she was just gambiting. She'd want that to be beyond reproach.
Don't think her being scum with phoenix makes any sense. If he is scum fake (or true, I guess) claiming, Joe/kj/iso/axel look like possible buddies for various reasons surrounding claim stuff.
Be grateful, always."
There's one particularly glaring problem with your plan, Terry. All the scum would know in advance that you're not scum and you didn't actually kill DV, while all the townies would not.
If someone intentionally acts guilty, as you admitted to trying to do, but the scum know that they're not guilty, that lets the scum easily know not to go anywhere near that trap. It's like glaring neon letters.
You are far more likely, not less, to bait a townie attack than a scum attack with said "trap." Because townies don't have the same inside information.
So no, I didn't put a ton of creedence in this being a pro-town gambit, because it doesn't actually work like you're saying it does. I usually assume town gambits actually have sound logic behind them, so I didn't put a lot of stock in that being what you were trying here. Apparently, I was wrong.
Phoenix reread still pending. But the interaction he's describing where he "passively" targets each dead players sounds like moderator malpractice to me, if that's how the game was designed. That's pretty convoluted stuff.
Especially about the factional kill part tbh
Uhm I dont think u read what i said properly
If i ally someone then there actions cant be messed with, I in no way or form protect them from any sort of killing.
As well as my roleblock only stop actions being used it does not stop kills.
As for this whole factional kill thing each site is different what does that have to do with my alignment?
Btw you believe I made up my role then? Cause what does that have to do with my alignment in any form?
Except his target is chosen at random and he chooses whiChat to do
I mean...
This setup seems pretty interesting and I'm not gonna game it too much
But
dv/jenna/lngrr/phoenix info roles
Shin/dawning manipulative roles
Iso/dawning killing roles. If iso is to be believed there's a third out there.
Whisper/lngrr bp game related
Osi/shin can only target bp game partner
Feels like a puzzle
There's the priest, which is just a straight up alignment cop. Stronger than dvs role early because every night but the demons mess with it later so it about balances out. And then there's a bunch of weaker investigative roles. Gravedigger used to be one but they split it into odd night gd, even night undertaker (or possibly vice versa doesn't matter). And there's the acolyte. And there's a killing role that only triggers when you've lynched two town.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this I barely understand how witchhunts work after playing like 4 of them
But that's the only frame of reference I have for a no vanilla game with possibly no flips and a bunch of vaguely interconnected roles...
I guess 4 info roles makes sense? Kinda think one has to be scum but I do think all of phoenix/jenna/lngrr look town.
Dawning/shin and dawning/iso/[opposite of whispers claim] may be more problematic.
Don't really like what Joe is doing but he still seems pretty genuine. Town that knows he's town or whatever. Believes in what he's doing.
Phoenix maybe looks OK? I liked him calling out iso not believing the claim but still wanting to lynch AZ. And the getting clarification from burr would be a nice touch if it is fake. He can probably just have the role as scum though.
Az... well he purportedly thought Joe and Jenna were scum together feel like he should have been all up in that possible scum theater.
Kjs flavorgaming is iffy. I mean, idk the flavor but kj seemed proud of it. Like maybe he came up with it in scum chat? Or is that silly?
If phoenix didn't kill dv what was the actual killer doing while jenna was claiming watcher?
When I say "the people who aren't my scum reads", do you interpret that as "don't read my posts"? I'm telling you that you need to read the game.
What does this even mean?
Congratulations, you noticed some of my reads? I stated why I voted Grapefruit and I clarified what I meant by my role. If you're going to keep flip-flopping on me because you can't remember the sequence of events in this game, I have no more interest in talking to you.
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Is there some reason we haven't lynched Az, yet?
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kpop fan yey~uhhh... why don't we lynch you to save you the trouble??
Be grateful, always."
btw do you think me and Shin are aligned? I'm sorta confused about him atm
Be grateful, always."
you're flip-flopping just as much as the rest of us, friend.
Be grateful, always."
hmmm yeah, your role doesn't seem to be the main reason you hounded me. I'm still wondering what's up with your obsession over me tbh lol. being roleblocker doesn't seem to be your main motivation for that hounding on D1. this claim sounds like an extra reason to hound me some more, which could be stalling for time.
ur making another excuse to play octopus lmaoBe grateful, always."
let's do Cythare a favor and lynch her! .......IF we get nothing by EoD.
Be grateful, always."
I can't believe I don't play a game for 6 months, and when I finally decide to jump into one it turns into this....
U asked me to claim therefore i claimed lol, my roleblockers ability had nothing to do with me hating your claim it was how you went about claiming idk how many times i have to repeat myself.
I asked you to claim on D1, but you kept deflecting by saying "I hate claiming". now on D2, you asked if I wanted to see your claim and I replied yes, so that was you just outing yourself without me involved. the way you went about your claim is just as bad, since you actually did it because a scumread of yours wanted to hear it. how does that make any more sense than mine?
what goes around comes around~ everyone gets into their own messes while I just spend my time doing cleanup. yeap.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."