I'm just leaving this here. I have an observation, but maybe that should be for a later time.
Shinichi - ability that costs 4 BP, I think?
Kabazame - unclaimed
tomsloger - unclaimed
Jenna Tolaria - Tracker, cost unknown, starting BP unknown
lastwhisper - Pay 1 BP give 1 BP. Starts at 3 MegiddoCythare - unclaimed
dawningbluesky - Roleblocker if BP drops to 3. Vig. if BP drops to 1, starts at 4
Iso - Vengeful, needs to get to 7 BP, start at (3?)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - unclaimed
Azrael - something that would kill him if he used it and also got betrayed(?)
Killjoy - unclaimed
LnGrrrR - pay 2 to find out if target betrayed, start at 4(?)
osieorb18 - pay 1 BP to Neighborize (can't remember if he said what he started at)
Phoenix-Fire - passive role revealer, no BP required
Axelrod - unclaimed
Dead:
Grapefruit21 - Santa, Town Reviver (cost of 7, started at 3, plus made everyone lovers)
D_V - Seven, Town Detective (cost of 6, started at 3)
did Osie say or not if he neighborized someone last night?
maybe a Roz vs CP. mtgs version.
Azrael can be Roz, Terry can be CP. now who will play Phraze trying to sort them out but got caught in the middle... ah, right...Jenna!
This whole excursive may be fun for you, but it's greek to most of us here. I don't even know what you're implying by doing this.
Paraphrasing Bur:
Just so you know, gathering information about dead players requires that you passively visit them, should any ability exist that sees who visits another player/who another player visits, your ability will cause you to show up on their report.
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Holy crap, I'm so sorry.
Um what.
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Is this real?
It is. Sorry for causing trouble for you.
My assessment of this is that we lost a valuable opportunity by not knowing the full rules of the game. In your night report, I assume the moderators did not tell you explicitly that you visited D_V.
This is absolutely frustrating and stressful. If this were a roundtable game, this is when I would excuse myself and go do something else.
yeah, I feel pretty foolish for screwing this up, and I didn't mean cause you frustration, I'm sorry again
interesting development~ how many people blamed me for mixing up my role but ended up being JUST as clumsy with theirs (and one didn't even claim)? .... what goes around comes around. true story. //with a solemn expression
To be fair, you kinda went back and forth a couple of times with everything...but I'm sorry for my part in dogging on you.
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Last being one of the first people in here chatting about my claim has rocked my scum read of him, I'm going to reread him when I get some time and see what I come up with.
If anyone else wants to ask me anything while I'm around, do so soon, because I'm supposed to be working and I won't be on again until this evening.
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
how was she caught tho? caught doing what?
She's caught fake claiming.
lol if she never claims shes getting this vote, dont worry... and if shes really town, then she isnt gunna jeopardize town prs. But she used her ability and now she wants answers, and shes applying multiple people targeted DV, everyone else that didnt target DV dont have to worry, so whats the problem? If she really is watcher then let her use her role...
But she's not really the watcher. She's trolling the thread and distracting us from being more productive. She's asking the WHOLE GAME to claim their roles!!!!!!! This is not acceptable behavior. She should have been lynched yesterday and if she is town I will not lose any sleep over her flip. Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
Are you counter claiming her? If not then calm your ***** lol. Most people considered a townie who doesnt claim when on the verge of being lynched as game throwing. So to compare that to Jenna actions is not right.
If you think shes distracting us, then what about DBS she literally made the town run around for 5 days tring to figure out her full claim.
Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
Grapefruit should have claimed and that's a fact, he was reviver which was as provable as the vig. claiming investigative roles is much harder to prove, so why would Jenna do that as scum...moreso when we have a cop flip?
I mean I agree and I dont, would you believe a reviver claim? Also 2 inves roles so ok, I mean I wouldnt say I know proper set ups, so I dont know if 3 would be to much...
I wouldn't most people dont allow revivers due to the fact its just so hard to balance.
Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
Grapefruit should have claimed and that's a fact, he was reviver which was as provable as the vig. claiming investigative roles is much harder to prove, so why would Jenna do that as scum...moreso when we have a cop flip?
I mean I agree and I dont, would you believe a reviver claim? Also 2 inves roles so ok, I mean I wouldnt say I know proper set ups, so I dont know if 3 would be to much...
sounds ok*
reviver claims can be proven. there is never a guarantee of alignment, but it will give them the benefit of doubt. Grapefruit should've outlived you to be honest. I feel he discarded his (game)life for nothing.
So we you ok letting grape betray to reach that 7 points?
Yeah I'd buy dawning's meta arguments a lot more if shin thought he was town too
Meta is flawed, so no reason I would ever buy the arguement. Literally just spent an hour talking to someone about the flaws of meta gaming and we both agreed that its a screwed up way to play.
Ik my brother personality wise I know he thinks and I know why he does his actions. As scum he makes stupid stupid mistakes like fake claiming a dumb role lol. Does not mean i should read my brother as scu everytime he claims an over the top role like @DBS expects me too.
my BP is at 3.
why do you distrust me?
how do you intend to pressure other players without your vote? (your vote is your tool to figure out alignments)
1 big reason going in to day 2
Is gf flipping town
Another is the way you reacted to the fact GF flipped town.
Hench why i said if another oppurtunity presents itself.
Thanks for being cooperative
I would like to know where you wish to move your vote. I've answered your questions and you've agreed that I was cooperative, so I'm sure I'm not your main focus as of now. who else do you wish to pressure? if you still want to focus on me, I'd assume you just wanted to question me to look busy.
I like questioning you because your answers are always so extreme. When did I state I would be changing my vote though, seems my vote is actually doing alot of pressureing.
you're questioning me to look busy then. your vote is not accomplishing anything as far as I'm concerned. please tell me who else you wish to focus on? I have not seen any scumhunting from you until now.
You only see or imply what you want so don't give me that lol, we literally had this arguement on day 1 somewhere. I am busy though, not trying to fake it if you think I am faking it then why are you town reading me?
The fact that you half assed your claim is a reason to not belive you've been cooperative lol.
You were fustrated yep of course the one that pushes the lynch totally has the right to be fustrated over the flipp.
hmmm.. you halfassed your claim too. you actually said your ability cost 0 BP, but it changed into 4 BP. I guess this means you should fullclaim now. you're not being cooperative until you fullclaim. but I have better things to do with my vote than latch on you~
I want to hear your other suspects outside of me. what do you think about Osie? I saw he's in your suspect list.
Want me to full claim ill do it right now.
Also no i clarified I misread my own role the same as ISO I thought the (4) was X shots I didnt realize the (4) was the cost of ab to use my ability.
I dont give 2 *****s about my brothers playstyle, if you do something scummy you will get scum read if you say soemthing weird you will be questioned end of story. ALso you cant expect the entire game to just take your word for his playstyle lol.
I'm sure you're desperate to find a fault to pin on your own brother, that is why you don't care. it's in town's best interest to take all playstyles into account before making silly mistakes. likewise, nobody can take your word about your alignment or playstyle, so you have as much doubt as the rest of us. are you implying you're better? what gives you the urge to think that?
How so? If I was desperate I would have pushed him during the entirety of day 1 I would not have started now. No its not in towns best interests its in your best interests because thats your flawed way of saying this guy must be scum he only does this when hes scum.
Nothing has change from Day 1, yet you think I shouldnt be suspecting you how weird.
I do believe the change is that you townread Last, since you chose to Ally with him. coming into D2 and being Betrayed, you actually have a strong scumlean on Last. is that correct? that means Last is your stronger scumread since you've personally witnessed it.
Strong is an iffy choice of words
Also I already stated who i was planning to betray.
oh? then tell me what you were implying when you quoted Last's reply to me and said, "I can see that". you were referencing one of our old games, right? that means you ARE relying on meta.
Seeing the same thing as you involves meta, but that itself wouldnt change ym read on last.
and so you agree. if that is the case, both of us are using meta, and you have no right to criticize it.
Uhm i use meta quite often, its just flawed which is why its normally just a start for me.
if you're having the same problem, then you shouldn't pick on me with meta reasons.
U literally let meta influence every decision you make lol u cant compared the 2.
nobody move. nobody use gambits. are-...are we sane now?
alright. time for me to learn.....mechanics! there's gonna be a lot of laughs but well, learning something new keeps things interesting.
disclaimer: if anything feels off or hostile, please remember that it is not intentional. and keep in mind this is more of a harmless practical joke, not exactly fluff but not exactly unfluffy. thanks for your time, read on, and godspeed. I'm just joking lol
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we have
- the AB games
- roles that probably aren't basic, or we have a mixed bag
- game flavor based on BP
- by modgaming standards, there should be 1 of each role
- 3 new people
- 2 who've played at least 1 time before
- the rest are regulars
anything down here is not basic or flavor:
Grapefruit - 6 BP reviver
Phoenix - passive reveal, considered a setup-influencing role
Iso - 7 BP vengeful
Osie - 1 BP neighborizer
Azrael - something that probably costs 2/3 BP, and a Betrayal(-1 BP) will get him killed.
those who haven't claimed:
Kaba
Tom
Megs!Cythare
Terry
Killjoy
Axel
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something I forgot about Iso when I questioned him:
when questioned about counterclaiming he said he had a THRESHOLD that was above what he currently has(4 BP), but when he fullclaimed he said his ability COST 7 BP. I'll dig it up when my pc isn't being a piece o ***** lol
I'm iffy about Osie's claim. neighborizer is a powerful role, especially near the end - the same applies to LnG's role (and it makes sense his ability was costly). LnG's claim counters him in a way..since they're weak roles at the start and powerful towards the end, with LnG winning since his role is flavor-based.
my PoE is still Osie/Iso.
in light of Iso messing up between counterclaiming/retracting, explaining he had threshold, then fullclaiming his ability was a cost - I'm more willing to lynch him.
interesting development~ how many people blamed me for mixing up my role but ended up being JUST as clumsy with theirs (and one didn't even claim)? .... what goes around comes around. true story. //with a solemn expression
To be fair, you kinda went back and forth a couple of times with everything...but I'm sorry for my part in dogging on you.
I'm glad we're coming to an understanding~
Last being one of the first people in here chatting about my claim has rocked my scum read of him, I'm going to reread him when I get some time and see what I come up with.
would you be willing to take my word for townreading him now?
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Grapefruit should have claimed and that's a fact, he was reviver which was as provable as the vig. claiming investigative roles is much harder to prove, so why would Jenna do that as scum...moreso when we have a cop flip?
I mean I agree and I dont, would you believe a reviver claim? Also 2 inves roles so ok, I mean I wouldnt say I know proper set ups, so I dont know if 3 would be to much...
sounds ok*
reviver claims can be proven. there is never a guarantee of alignment, but it will give them the benefit of doubt. Grapefruit should've outlived you to be honest. I feel he discarded his (game)life for nothing.
So we you ok letting grape betray to reach that 7 points?
correction: his ability cost only 6 BP.
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Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
Grapefruit should have claimed and that's a fact, he was reviver which was as provable as the vig. claiming investigative roles is much harder to prove, so why would Jenna do that as scum...moreso when we have a cop flip?
I mean I agree and I dont, would you believe a reviver claim? Also 2 inves roles so ok, I mean I wouldnt say I know proper set ups, so I dont know if 3 would be to much...
I wouldn't most people dont allow revivers due to the fact its just so hard to balance.
I can vouch for the inclusion of a reviver. Cross has been in a game with a reviver before. not surprised if he made room for that role in this game.
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nobody move. nobody use gambits. are-...are we sane now?
alright. time for me to learn.....mechanics! there's gonna be a lot of laughs but well, learning something new keeps things interesting.
disclaimer: if anything feels off or hostile, please remember that it is not intentional. and keep in mind this is more of a harmless practical joke, not exactly fluff but not exactly unfluffy. thanks for your time, read on, and godspeed. I'm just joking lol
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we have
- the AB games
- roles that probably aren't basic, or we have a mixed bag
- game flavor based on BP
- by modgaming standards, there should be 1 of each role
- 3 new people
- 2 who've played at least 1 time before
- the rest are regulars
anything down here is not basic or flavor:
Grapefruit - 6 BP reviver
Phoenix - passive reveal, considered a setup-influencing role
Iso - 7 BP vengeful
Osie - 1 BP neighborizer
Azrael - something that probably costs 2/3 BP, and a Betrayal(-1 BP) will get him killed.
those who haven't claimed:
Kaba
Tom
Megs!Cythare
Terry
Killjoy
Axel
Shinichi
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something I forgot about Iso when I questioned him:
when questioned about counterclaiming he said he had a THRESHOLD that was above what he currently has(4 BP), but when he fullclaimed he said his ability COST 7 BP. I'll dig it up when my pc isn't being a piece o ***** lol
I'm iffy about Osie's claim. neighborizer is a powerful role, especially near the end - the same applies to LnG's role (and it makes sense his ability was costly). LnG's claim counters him in a way..since they're weak roles at the start and powerful towards the end, with LnG winning since his role is flavor-based.
my PoE is still Osie/Iso.
in light of Iso messing up between counterclaiming/retracting, explaining he had threshold, then fullclaiming his ability was a cost - I'm more willing to lynch him.
added Shin in
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The fact that you half assed your claim is a reason to not belive you've been cooperative lol.
You were fustrated yep of course the one that pushes the lynch totally has the right to be fustrated over the flipp.
hmmm.. you halfassed your claim too. you actually said your ability cost 0 BP, but it changed into 4 BP. I guess this means you should fullclaim now. you're not being cooperative until you fullclaim. but I have better things to do with my vote than latch on you~
I want to hear your other suspects outside of me. what do you think about Osie? I saw he's in your suspect list.
Want me to full claim ill do it right now.
Also no i clarified I misread my own role the same as ISO I thought the (4) was X shots I didnt realize the (4) was the cost of ab to use my ability.
yes please. I wanna see your fullclaim.
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Nothing has change from Day 1, yet you think I shouldnt be suspecting you how weird.
I do believe the change is that you townread Last, since you chose to Ally with him. coming into D2 and being Betrayed, you actually have a strong scumlean on Last. is that correct? that means Last is your stronger scumread since you've personally witnessed it.
Strong is an iffy choice of words
Also I already stated who i was planning to betray.
where?
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I dont give 2 *****s about my brothers playstyle, if you do something scummy you will get scum read if you say soemthing weird you will be questioned end of story. ALso you cant expect the entire game to just take your word for his playstyle lol.
I'm sure you're desperate to find a fault to pin on your own brother, that is why you don't care. it's in town's best interest to take all playstyles into account before making silly mistakes. likewise, nobody can take your word about your alignment or playstyle, so you have as much doubt as the rest of us. are you implying you're better? what gives you the urge to think that?
How so? If I was desperate I would have pushed him during the entirety of day 1 I would not have started now. No its not in towns best interests its in your best interests because thats your flawed way of saying this guy must be scum he only does this when hes scum.
Where did i imply my skill level was better?
you did push on Last the entire D1, iirc there was a time where he sized you up about being so focused on me...around the time he made a read on me for Grape to see. you pushed Last by poking his defense of me as scummy, and you were willing to lynch him too.
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Are you counter claiming her? If not then calm your ***** lol. Most people considered a townie who doesnt claim when on the verge of being lynched as game throwing. So to compare that to Jenna actions is not right.
If you think shes distracting us, then what about DBS she literally made the town run around for 5 days tring to figure out her full claim.
I didn't make town run around for my fullclaim, they were only questioning my playstyle -.- I only claimed, and then fullclaimed, since that took over the questioning of my playstyle.
honestly, I'm starting to think you could be scum.
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everyone has their playstyles. can you look beyond that and decipher his mindset? you're known to be paranoid of 'forceful' players and scumread them. is it possible you're scumreading Azrael simply because of his forceful tone? the way you say say preemptive and manipulative sure sounds like that 'forceful' trait you're paranoid of~
No I am not, Logic is a special case, it manages to forceful in a scummy way, you can easily be forceful in a town way, and no that is not why im scum reading Azrael, at least its not all of it. Azrael reminds me of Ruu, more then Logic tho, where he likes to get excited when he thinks he solved the game. I still think Azrael is scummy lmao... and Iso, well I mean they could be scum theater? lmao
if you say Azrael is like Ruu... that means I'm better at reading him than you are lol. I don't think he's like Ruu. Azrael mentioned that he has this crazy playstyle of scumclaiming so if anything..he's more like CP (but with less gambits). I really doubt the lynch theatre is aligned or a bus. one is definitely pushing the other.
out of Azrael and Iso, who do you think is scum? I really doubt they're aligned.
ohh god cp, actually that would be rinto who randomly claimed to be SK, to bait me as mafia... and atm if I was to assume only one of them could be scum, god I want to say Azrael, cause I honestly dont think they are both aligned, but god does Iso have his moments also. I plead the 4th (which literally makes no sense in this context, but w/e)
lol Rinto takes the damn cake too
aside from tonal reads, what do you find scummy about Azrael? Iso tried to cc the vig, so tell me what Azrael has done that can be as bad as that. I wanna see a proper comparison, not just bias.
Rinto literally claimed miller randomly during the night one time as soon as he found out he was going to be cop checked, 2 days later he got lynched flipping scum lmfao.
No I am not, Logic is a special case, it manages to forceful in a scummy way, you can easily be forceful in a town way, and no that is not why im scum reading Azrael, at least its not all of it. Azrael reminds me of Ruu, more then Logic tho, where he likes to get excited when he thinks he solved the game. I still think Azrael is scummy lmao... and Iso, well I mean they could be scum theater? lmao
if you say Azrael is like Ruu... that means I'm better at reading him than you are lol. I don't think he's like Ruu. Azrael mentioned that he has this crazy playstyle of scumclaiming so if anything..he's more like CP (but with less gambits). I really doubt the lynch theatre is aligned or a bus. one is definitely pushing the other.
out of Azrael and Iso, who do you think is scum? I really doubt they're aligned.
ohh god cp, actually that would be rinto who randomly claimed to be SK, to bait me as mafia... and atm if I was to assume only one of them could be scum, god I want to say Azrael, cause I honestly dont think they are both aligned, but god does Iso have his moments also. I plead the 4th (which literally makes no sense in this context, but w/e)
lol Rinto takes the damn cake too
aside from tonal reads, what do you find scummy about Azrael? Iso tried to cc the vig, so tell me what Azrael has done that can be as bad as that. I wanna see a proper comparison, not just bias.
Rinto literally claimed miller randomly during the night one time as soon as he found out he was going to be cop checked, 2 days later he got lynched flipping scum lmfao.
I think I will lose because my team isn't listening to me
Who is on your team? Has your team changed? Your behavior has noticeably changed as well.
The town. Not unless the scum have a recruiting role, or we have a Cultist - both of which I strongly doubt. Yes, my behavior is that of Iso who has given up all hope that his team is going to win, so I'm effectively going through the motions at this point. How good of you to notice.
I would like a more specific answer to the first question. Name names.
The people who aren't my scum reads.
When I say "name names" do you interpret that as "don't name names?" Please name the players you are talking about because I don't believe you were talking about anyone and the more you dodge the more that is sounding like the truth.
interesting development~ how many people blamed me for mixing up my role but ended up being JUST as clumsy with theirs (and one didn't even claim)? .... what goes around comes around. true story. //with a solemn expression
The difference here is moderator error not player error. Had Phoenix been able to claim correctly, we could have had a battle between him and a mafia that comes forward.And if nobody else came forward then I wouldn't have pursued Phoenix to claim due to his truthfulness.
i mean i believe Pheonix's claim but i feel like as helpful as his passive is, he could still be mafia under it, but hell if im taking that chance, if he dies the only thing we will get from death flips is alignment, which then we wouldnt be able to spot fake claims
Nothing honestly could stop him from being mafia, I mean this role is the perfect claim to give to a scum aligned player.
Paraphrasing Bur:
Just so you know, gathering information about dead players requires that you passively visit them, should any ability exist that sees who visits another player/who another player visits, your ability will cause you to show up on their report.
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Holy crap, I'm so sorry.
ok I guess I can do this then. unvote so ur saying u passively pick someone to visit? Nvm NVM I get it, u passively travel to the people that die during the night. I think? So I guess we can move on from Jenna and Phoenix?
Correct. I passively VISIT each player when they die to collect info. That's why Jenna saw me go to DV.
I'm just leaving this here. I have an observation, but maybe that should be for a later time.
Shinichi - ability that costs 4 BP, I think?
Kabazame - unclaimed
tomsloger - unclaimed
Jenna Tolaria - Tracker, cost unknown, starting BP unknown
lastwhisper - Pay 1 BP give 1 BP. Starts at 3 MegiddoCythare - unclaimed
dawningbluesky - Roleblocker if BP drops to 3. Vig. if BP drops to 1, starts at 4
Iso - Vengeful, needs to get to 7 BP, start at (3?)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - unclaimed
Azrael - something that would kill him if he used it and also got betrayed(?)
Killjoy - unclaimed
LnGrrrR - pay 2 to find out if target betrayed, start at 4(?)
osieorb18 - pay 1 BP to Neighborize (can't remember if he said what he started at)
Phoenix-Fire - passive role revealer, no BP required
Axelrod - unclaimed
Dead:
Grapefruit21 - Santa, Town Reviver (cost of 7, started at 3, plus made everyone lovers)
D_V - Seven, Town Detective (cost of 6, started at 3)
I started at 3 and my ability costs 2. I'm at 2 now.
interesting development~ how many people blamed me for mixing up my role but ended up being JUST as clumsy with theirs (and one didn't even claim)? .... what goes around comes around. true story. //with a solemn expression
[#1091] My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
[#1135] @dawn: I was under no obligation or pressure to claim. Calling me scummy because I read my role PM in under 2 seconds on my phone in passing exactly once - when I confirmed to Bur that I received my role PM - until I checked my role PM after I CCed you is...just further proof that you're looking for a reason to OMGUS me for something I'm not even doing. (That's basically what the long string of text you refused to try to read says.) I saw that you claimed Vig because of a post that got reported in here before I caught up to anything else, and I got excited and wanted to lynch you because I thought I was the Vig. I won't humor your attempts to fish for more information on my role because there's no need for me to claim at this point.
[#1158] I said I DON'T require BP for my ability activation. You can't say you suspected me for that initially when that didn't even happen until I counterclaimed you. Your sequence of events does not line up, here.
If I were scum, I'd have gone for the easy push on you rather than just questioning you. There would be no scrutiny my way for doing so because you were gaining votes as a result of my questioning. And then you claimed Vig and I CCed you. What is the scum motivation for putting a target on myself needlessly? What kind of idiot would I have to be to CC a Vig claim as scum? Are you thinking critically about this? Because I don't think you are.
You can't possibly know enough about the setup to make speculations as to my alignment based on the BP requirement for my ability's activation. Don't try to bull***** me.
Moreover, why would I CC the freaking Vig as scum
[#1303]As I said, when I reach a certain BP threshold, my ability becomes active - it just doesn't require any BP to use.
@LW: Once again, I'm not claiming any further information about my ability. If I'm pushed to claim range, fine - but until then, there's no need for me to put any more information in the thread about the way my ability works. That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
[#2694] I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
I didn't claim sooner because I didn't know I was at L-2 because I don't read the game on weekends. For ****'s sake.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability. Hence why I thought I was the Vig. The counterclaim SNAFU was not nearly grounds enough to be voting me and I'm playing the game the way I enjoy - I'm not interested in going back to my old playstyle short of a lifechanging event that enables me to do so.
[#3070] to Last:
I solved the game, though.
The only thing I'm inciting is your lynch!
[#3259] to Killjoy:
Grapefruit isn't an option. It's LW or Iso at this point.
[#2729] [(1) Regular vig. who needed to get to 7 BP
-(1a) and 7 was a "threshold" at which point you could fire every night as long as you stayed there]
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#1091: My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
#1303: That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
#2694: My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability.
#2729: paraphased as "thought I was vig with 7 BP threshold"
I'm confused?? he says he knows 100% his ability uses a threshold, but fullclaimed it as a cost.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
I mean I agree and I dont, would you believe a reviver claim? Also 2 inves roles so ok, I mean I wouldnt say I know proper set ups, so I dont know if 3 would be to much...
sounds ok*
reviver claims can be proven. there is never a guarantee of alignment, but it will give them the benefit of doubt. Grapefruit should've outlived you to be honest. I feel he discarded his (game)life for nothing.
So we you ok letting grape betray to reach that 7 points?
interesting development~ how many people blamed me for mixing up my role but ended up being JUST as clumsy with theirs (and one didn't even claim)? .... what goes around comes around. true story. //with a solemn expression
nobody move. nobody use gambits. are-...are we sane now?
alright. time for me to learn.....mechanics! there's gonna be a lot of laughs but well, learning something new keeps things interesting.
disclaimer: if anything feels off or hostile, please remember that it is not intentional. and keep in mind this is more of a harmless practical joke, not exactly fluff but not exactly unfluffy. thanks for your time, read on, and godspeed. I'm just joking lol
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we have
- the AB games
- roles that probably aren't basic, or we have a mixed bag
- game flavor based on BP
- by modgaming standards, there should be 1 of each role
- 3 new people
- 2 who've played at least 1 time before
- the rest are regulars
anything down here is not basic or flavor:
Grapefruit - 6 BP reviver
Phoenix - passive reveal, considered a setup-influencing role
Iso - 7 BP vengeful
Osie - 1 BP neighborizer
Azrael - something that probably costs 2/3 BP, and a Betrayal(-1 BP) will get him killed.
those who haven't claimed:
Kaba
Tom
Megs!Cythare
Terry
Killjoy
Axel
Shinichi
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something I forgot about Iso when I questioned him:
when questioned about counterclaiming he said he had a THRESHOLD that was above what he currently has(4 BP), but when he fullclaimed he said his ability COST 7 BP. I'll dig it up when my pc isn't being a piece o ***** lol
I'm iffy about Osie's claim. neighborizer is a powerful role, especially near the end - the same applies to LnG's role (and it makes sense his ability was costly). LnG's claim counters him in a way..since they're weak roles at the start and powerful towards the end, with LnG winning since his role is flavor-based.
my PoE is still Osie/Iso.
in light of Iso messing up between counterclaiming/retracting, explaining he had threshold, then fullclaiming his ability was a cost - I'm more willing to lynch him.
The fact that you half assed your claim is a reason to not belive you've been cooperative lol.
You were fustrated yep of course the one that pushes the lynch totally has the right to be fustrated over the flipp.
hmmm.. you halfassed your claim too. you actually said your ability cost 0 BP, but it changed into 4 BP. I guess this means you should fullclaim now. you're not being cooperative until you fullclaim. but I have better things to do with my vote than latch on you~
I want to hear your other suspects outside of me. what do you think about Osie? I saw he's in your suspect list.
Want me to full claim ill do it right now.
Also no i clarified I misread my own role the same as ISO I thought the (4) was X shots I didnt realize the (4) was the cost of ab to use my ability.
yes please. I wanna see your fullclaim.
Phi-Town Manipulator
I have 2 passives
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
nobody move. nobody use gambits. are-...are we sane now?
alright. time for me to learn.....mechanics! there's gonna be a lot of laughs but well, learning something new keeps things interesting.
disclaimer: if anything feels off or hostile, please remember that it is not intentional. and keep in mind this is more of a harmless practical joke, not exactly fluff but not exactly unfluffy. thanks for your time, read on, and godspeed. I'm just joking lol
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we have
- the AB games
- roles that probably aren't basic, or we have a mixed bag
- game flavor based on BP
- by modgaming standards, there should be 1 of each role
- 3 new people
- 2 who've played at least 1 time before
- the rest are regulars
anything down here is not basic or flavor:
Grapefruit - 6 BP reviver
Phoenix - passive reveal, considered a setup-influencing role
Iso - 7 BP vengeful
Osie - 1 BP neighborizer
Azrael - something that probably costs 2/3 BP, and a Betrayal(-1 BP) will get him killed.
those who haven't claimed:
Kaba
Tom
Megs!Cythare
Terry
Killjoy
Axel
Shinichi
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something I forgot about Iso when I questioned him:
when questioned about counterclaiming he said he had a THRESHOLD that was above what he currently has(4 BP), but when he fullclaimed he said his ability COST 7 BP. I'll dig it up when my pc isn't being a piece o ***** lol
I'm iffy about Osie's claim. neighborizer is a powerful role, especially near the end - the same applies to LnG's role (and it makes sense his ability was costly). LnG's claim counters him in a way..since they're weak roles at the start and powerful towards the end, with LnG winning since his role is flavor-based.
my PoE is still Osie/Iso.
in light of Iso messing up between counterclaiming/retracting, explaining he had threshold, then fullclaiming his ability was a cost - I'm more willing to lynch him.
I believe the discussion was whether or not the ally/betray was public knowledge.
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Getting more convinced that we need to figure out Iso/Azrael toDay.
Vote: Azrael
I'm finished with the creepy uncle's suspicious antics. One can be only do suspicious and so creepy before it becomes something that we need to put a swift stop to.
Nothing has change from Day 1, yet you think I shouldnt be suspecting you how weird.
I do believe the change is that you townread Last, since you chose to Ally with him. coming into D2 and being Betrayed, you actually have a strong scumlean on Last. is that correct? that means Last is your stronger scumread since you've personally witnessed it.
Strong is an iffy choice of words
Also I already stated who i was planning to betray.
where?
Idk where but i stated it was you and LNR if i was partnered wiith you 2.
I dont give 2 *****s about my brothers playstyle, if you do something scummy you will get scum read if you say soemthing weird you will be questioned end of story. ALso you cant expect the entire game to just take your word for his playstyle lol.
I'm sure you're desperate to find a fault to pin on your own brother, that is why you don't care. it's in town's best interest to take all playstyles into account before making silly mistakes. likewise, nobody can take your word about your alignment or playstyle, so you have as much doubt as the rest of us. are you implying you're better? what gives you the urge to think that?
How so? If I was desperate I would have pushed him during the entirety of day 1 I would not have started now. No its not in towns best interests its in your best interests because thats your flawed way of saying this guy must be scum he only does this when hes scum.
Where did i imply my skill level was better?
you did push on Last the entire D1, iirc there was a time where he sized you up about being so focused on me...around the time he made a read on me for Grape to see. you pushed Last by poking his defense of me as scummy, and you were willing to lynch him too.
I don't recall this but I dont see why you would lie about it either, so i obviously was wrong here XD. Thought the entirety of day 1 is a huge stretch.
Are you counter claiming her? If not then calm your ***** lol. Most people considered a townie who doesnt claim when on the verge of being lynched as game throwing. So to compare that to Jenna actions is not right.
If you think shes distracting us, then what about DBS she literally made the town run around for 5 days tring to figure out her full claim.
I didn't make town run around for my fullclaim, they were only questioning my playstyle -.- I only claimed, and then fullclaimed, since that took over the questioning of my playstyle.
honestly, I'm starting to think you could be scum.
True u didnt force them to do it, but you could have chosen to make towns life easier instead u didnt.
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
lool. you got another title that fits you. I think this is a setup-influencing role, or an AB role. this kind of counters Phoenix/LnG in one? the Betray function fits our 'weak roleblocker' type. now I'm wondering if my rb is meant to double as doctor... this setup is crazy lol.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
interesting development~ how many people blamed me for mixing up my role but ended up being JUST as clumsy with theirs (and one didn't even claim)? .... what goes around comes around. true story. //with a solemn expression
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Last being one of the first people in here chatting about my claim has rocked my scum read of him, I'm going to reread him when I get some time and see what I come up with.
If anyone else wants to ask me anything while I'm around, do so soon, because I'm supposed to be working and I won't be on again until this evening.
Are you counter claiming her? If not then calm your ***** lol. Most people considered a townie who doesnt claim when on the verge of being lynched as game throwing. So to compare that to Jenna actions is not right.
If you think shes distracting us, then what about DBS she literally made the town run around for 5 days tring to figure out her full claim.
I wouldn't most people dont allow revivers due to the fact its just so hard to balance.
So we you ok letting grape betray to reach that 7 points?
Ok thanks for clarifying that.
Meta is flawed, so no reason I would ever buy the arguement. Literally just spent an hour talking to someone about the flaws of meta gaming and we both agreed that its a screwed up way to play.
Ik my brother personality wise I know he thinks and I know why he does his actions. As scum he makes stupid stupid mistakes like fake claiming a dumb role lol. Does not mean i should read my brother as scu everytime he claims an over the top role like @DBS expects me too.
You only see or imply what you want so don't give me that lol, we literally had this arguement on day 1 somewhere. I am busy though, not trying to fake it if you think I am faking it then why are you town reading me?
Want me to full claim ill do it right now.
Also no i clarified I misread my own role the same as ISO I thought the (4) was X shots I didnt realize the (4) was the cost of ab to use my ability.
How so? If I was desperate I would have pushed him during the entirety of day 1 I would not have started now. No its not in towns best interests its in your best interests because thats your flawed way of saying this guy must be scum he only does this when hes scum.
Where did i imply my skill level was better?
Strong is an iffy choice of words
Also I already stated who i was planning to betray.
U literally let meta influence every decision you make lol u cant compared the 2.
alright. time for me to learn.....mechanics! there's gonna be a lot of laughs but well, learning something new keeps things interesting.
disclaimer: if anything feels off or hostile, please remember that it is not intentional. and keep in mind this is more of a harmless practical joke, not exactly fluff but not exactly unfluffy. thanks for your time, read on, and godspeed.
I'm just joking lol---------------
we have
- the AB games
- roles that probably aren't basic, or we have a mixed bag
- game flavor based on BP
- by modgaming standards, there should be 1 of each role
- 3 new people
- 2 who've played at least 1 time before
- the rest are regulars
LnG/Last flavor-based roles - AB scanner/BP supplier. check
DV/Jenna/Dawn basic roles - Cop/Tracker/Vig+RB. check
[5 basic roles, 2 flavor roles.]
anything down here is not basic or flavor:
Grapefruit - 6 BP reviver
Phoenix - passive reveal, considered a setup-influencing role
Iso - 7 BP vengeful
Osie - 1 BP neighborizer
Azrael - something that probably costs 2/3 BP, and a Betrayal(-1 BP) will get him killed.
those who haven't claimed:
Kaba
Tom
Megs!Cythare
Terry
Killjoy
Axel
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something I forgot about Iso when I questioned him:
when questioned about counterclaiming he said he had a THRESHOLD that was above what he currently has(4 BP), but when he fullclaimed he said his ability COST 7 BP. I'll dig it up when my pc isn't being a piece o ***** lol
I'm iffy about Osie's claim. neighborizer is a powerful role, especially near the end - the same applies to LnG's role (and it makes sense his ability was costly). LnG's claim counters him in a way..since they're weak roles at the start and powerful towards the end, with LnG winning since his role is flavor-based.
my PoE is still Osie/Iso.
in light of Iso messing up between counterclaiming/retracting, explaining he had threshold, then fullclaiming his ability was a cost - I'm more willing to lynch him.
Be grateful, always."
would you be willing to take my word for townreading him now?
Be grateful, always."
correction: his ability cost only 6 BP.
Be grateful, always."
I'm afraid you're comparing things, even more than I am.
Be grateful, always."
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I didn't make town run around for my fullclaim, they were only questioning my playstyle -.- I only claimed, and then fullclaimed, since that took over the questioning of my playstyle.
honestly, I'm starting to think you could be scum.
Be grateful, always."
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Getting more convinced that we need to figure out Iso/Azrael toDay.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Rinto literally claimed miller randomly during the night one time as soon as he found out he was going to be cop checked, 2 days later he got lynched flipping scum lmfao.
Could go both ways, only certainity I have is about you.
Nothing honestly could stop him from being mafia, I mean this role is the perfect claim to give to a scum aligned player.
Whats with the mod gaming here?
This just seems super convenient
I have to agree with KJ here, flavor wise it makes sense.
Lgically though why would there be a someone that passively visits the dead and a watcher?
Shinichi started with 3 BP, ability costs 4.
LnGrrrR started with 4 BP,
When did you mix up your role?
[#1135] @dawn: I was under no obligation or pressure to claim. Calling me scummy because I read my role PM in under 2 seconds on my phone in passing exactly once - when I confirmed to Bur that I received my role PM - until I checked my role PM after I CCed you is...just further proof that you're looking for a reason to OMGUS me for something I'm not even doing. (That's basically what the long string of text you refused to try to read says.) I saw that you claimed Vig because of a post that got reported in here before I caught up to anything else, and I got excited and wanted to lynch you because I thought I was the Vig. I won't humor your attempts to fish for more information on my role because there's no need for me to claim at this point.
[#1158] I said I DON'T require BP for my ability activation. You can't say you suspected me for that initially when that didn't even happen until I counterclaimed you. Your sequence of events does not line up, here.
If I were scum, I'd have gone for the easy push on you rather than just questioning you. There would be no scrutiny my way for doing so because you were gaining votes as a result of my questioning. And then you claimed Vig and I CCed you. What is the scum motivation for putting a target on myself needlessly? What kind of idiot would I have to be to CC a Vig claim as scum? Are you thinking critically about this? Because I don't think you are.
You can't possibly know enough about the setup to make speculations as to my alignment based on the BP requirement for my ability's activation. Don't try to bull***** me.
Moreover, why would I CC the freaking Vig as scum
[#1303]As I said, when I reach a certain BP threshold, my ability becomes active - it just doesn't require any BP to use.
@LW: Once again, I'm not claiming any further information about my ability. If I'm pushed to claim range, fine - but until then, there's no need for me to put any more information in the thread about the way my ability works. That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
[#2694] I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
I didn't claim sooner because I didn't know I was at L-2 because I don't read the game on weekends. For ****'s sake.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability. Hence why I thought I was the Vig. The counterclaim SNAFU was not nearly grounds enough to be voting me and I'm playing the game the way I enjoy - I'm not interested in going back to my old playstyle short of a lifechanging event that enables me to do so.
[#3070] to Last:
I solved the game, though.
The only thing I'm inciting is your lynch!
[#3259] to Killjoy:
Grapefruit isn't an option. It's LW or Iso at this point.
[#2729] [(1) Regular vig. who needed to get to 7 BP
-(1a) and 7 was a "threshold" at which point you could fire every night as long as you stayed there]
excerpts:
#1091: My ability does not cost BP to use but I need to reach a certain BP threshold for it to work.
#1303: That said, I now know 100% what my ability is and how it works.
#2694: My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability.
#2729: paraphased as "thought I was vig with 7 BP threshold"
I'm confused?? he says he knows 100% his ability uses a threshold, but fullclaimed it as a cost.
Be grateful, always."
Freaking the question still stands lol smh
nah it's basic. I'm simply vig+rb in 1, nothing fancy like reviver~
Be grateful, always."
ok. why? what makes you so sure of me outside my claim?
Be grateful, always."
Phi-Town Manipulator
I have 2 passives
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
Be grateful, always."
I'm finished with the creepy uncle's suspicious antics. One can be only do suspicious and so creepy before it becomes something that we need to put a swift stop to.
Idk where but i stated it was you and LNR if i was partnered wiith you 2.
I don't recall this but I dont see why you would lie about it either, so i obviously was wrong here XD. Thought the entirety of day 1 is a huge stretch.
True u didnt force them to do it, but you could have chosen to make towns life easier instead u didnt.
lool. you got another title that fits you. I think this is a setup-influencing role, or an AB role. this kind of counters Phoenix/LnG in one? the Betray function fits our 'weak roleblocker' type. now I'm wondering if my rb is meant to double as doctor... this setup is crazy lol.
Be grateful, always."
Basic roles normally have 1 ability not 2 >3>
Oh ya i forgot about that.