@Axel: Why auto Vote Jenna here? I'm not sure there's necessarily a dichotomy here.
Who's autovoting?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Paraphrasing Bur:
Just so you know, gathering information about dead players requires that you passively visit them, should any ability exist that sees who visits another player/who another player visits, your ability will cause you to show up on their report.
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Holy crap, I'm so sorry.
So, was this information in your original role PM and you forgot about it, or did you just get this clarification from Bur?
Without quoting directly, my role says that I visit the scene of the crime to gather role info. I did not realize that I would show as actually visiting; bur clarified this to me.
also Shinichi
I clearly said I'd betray so why in the hell did you ally???
D.V and grrr were probably the only ones I wouldnt have betrayed, but of course I wasnt gunna say that....
I had some trust in my own god damn brother lol, but oh well :/. You just made it alot harder for me to use my ability which could really help town in the long run.
I give u BP, no worry lmao
oh that's where I saw someone give Shinichi BP
I've got another question after, and maybe a comment.
What is there to explain? I mistakenly thought I had read that someone gave Shinichi BP last night and therefore didn't need that person to respond to me. For instance, I never asked Osieorb because he already checked in.
@Terry, do you still want to counter claim, or do you trust her?
There is an issue with Phoenix's explanation, I'll get to in a minute, but here it goes form my end.
I'm not counter claiming. I didn't visit anyone, but the minute Jenna, who I was already hard scum reading said she "Watched DV", with people already pushing for her Lynch today, I knew it was bull. If you read the end of the day, there is no way Jenna would watch unless she is the worst mafia player in the world and completely didn't understand what his role did. SO I acted like I was guilty of visiting DV and furiously avoided answering her, baiting her to lie and say I was guilty (in a round about OMGUS way, since I was pushing for her Lynch). If she came out and said I visited DV last night, BAM! One for One! Guaranteed scum caught whether or not I got lynched first. I also intentionally implied that I may counter claim. This is important later. Please note it worked too, because that's immediately what LNG assumed.
Now, what we have here is even better. Azrael's push on me was like HE actually fell for the trap I laid and Jenna came out with a significantly improved standing in my opinion. Here's the thing. Azrael claims to have foreseen the Tracker Gambit:
The possibility of tracker gambit did occur to me given the mass-claim format, but I presumed from Terry's reaction that he would have been the tracker target, not Phoenix. Gambit into immediate counter-gambit is...interesting.
Well, I suppose I was looking for more room in my POE. He would have had me, if that's true. Jenna sacrificial play seems somewhat more likely given this choice of target, however.
But Azrael, oh Azrael... He didn't assume that I was going to counter claim, he didn't second guess Jenna's target choice, but yet he ANTICIPATED the tracker gambit?! No way. I don't buy it. His case on me was so flimsy:
[b]@Az:[/b] Why do you keep specifying that I said that I was a town aligned murderer, but aren't linking that to anything else? I feel like if you're consistantly alluding to that, you'd be wondering why I never said anything at the time that Dawn claimed Vig, nor was really interested in Iso's vig claim either. It's kind of a weird reaction.
@Az/Iso: Is it not even remotely suspicious to either of you, that you both think each other are scum with the same people?I would also like people to answer this question.-_-
Murderer is just flavor, doesn't necessarily mean a killing role. Although, this particular observation of yours makes that a far more likely possibility. You sure you don't want to claim to be the scummy neutral player?
I don't put it past Iso to include 2 scum in his list, but apparently, from the way things are shaping up, I'm rustier than I thought. Or maybe I just need to remember how often I change my reads right before a lynch, provided an actual claim/defense takes place. Didn't really have those fail-safes with Grape.
I've had enough of your role fishing. Stop now and claim your results. I'm deliberately not answering whether to not I visited DV last night because this is me calling BS on Jenna.
Prove your role...
Best defense is a good offense is the mentality I'm seeing with Terry here. Effectively a scum claim. No one else is catching this?
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
Your glory? I was more watching Jenna's steely nerves in the face of your panicked counter-attack with glowing admiration, actually.
But she's not really the watcher. She's trolling the thread and distracting us from being more productive. She's asking the WHOLE GAME to claim their roles!!!!!!! This is not acceptable behavior. She should have been lynched yesterday and if she is town I will not lose any sleep over her flip. Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
We can add misrep and hyperbole to the list of tells you've committed. Asking players whether or not they targeted DV is hardly equivalent to a mass-claim.
I don't understand why a townie would panick and OMGUS the way you have to Jenna merely stating that she was a watcher, who targeted DV. Feeling pretty happy about cutting you from my town list in advance of her claim. Vote is staying right where it is.
It's all just super surface stuff, like "Nice OMGUS!" and "You're Misrepping!" (which I wasn't and I'm still disappointed in Jenna for specifically asking people after she caught PF in a lie), but this is coming from some one who was savvy enough to know the gambit that Jenna was posting. He saw the opportunity to pit two townies against each other and jumped on it. Instead of hashing out a better case he rushed it and put that crap of a case out. I'll make a new post to discuss the PF claim.
Because it looked like you were claiming to have "seen" someone give BP to Shin last night, that's what. You with your "Watcher" role (which didn't turn out to be a Watcher, but you were clearly implying that). I mean, how else does one interpret that statement?
Although at this point it might be moot. Seems like either you and Phoenix are in a gambit together, or you really have a Tracker role. I'm not sure I can see how you would know that Phoenix visited DV otherwise.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
The possibility of tracker gambit did occur to me given the mass-claim format, but I presumed from Terry's reaction that he would have been the tracker target, not Phoenix. Gambit into immediate counter-gambit is...interesting.
Well, I suppose I was looking for more room in my POE. He would have had me, if that's true. Jenna sacrificial play seems somewhat more likely given this choice of target, however.
The possibility of tracker gambit did occur to me given the mass-claim format, but I presumed from Terry's reaction that he would have been the tracker target, not Phoenix. Gambit into immediate counter-gambit is...interesting.
Well, I suppose I was looking for more room in my POE. He would have had me, if that's true. Jenna sacrificial play seems somewhat more likely given this choice of target, however.
well that answers that, seems like everything checks out, and now idk if I want to wine myself with my post about Jenna l8r, ill say that she is town, and that Phoenix is also town... and just leave it at that... and move on to better things
I'm not counter claiming. I didn't visit anyone, but the minute Jenna, who I was already hard scum reading said she "Watched DV", with people already pushing for her Lynch today, I knew it was bull. If you read the end of the day, there is no way Jenna would watch unless she is the worst mafia player in the world and completely didn't understand what his role did. SO I acted like I was guilty of visiting DV and furiously avoided answering her, baiting her to lie and say I was guilty (in a round about OMGUS way, since I was pushing for her Lynch). If she came out and said I visited DV last night, BAM! One for One! Guaranteed scum caught whether or not I got lynched first. I also intentionally implied that I may counter claim. This is important later. Please note it worked too, because that's immediately what LNG assumed.
Terry, what kind of scum is going to fall for this "gambit?" It doesn't even make any sense.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well, it's unfortunate that, in addition to meaning that Bur would have had to have adopted a new style, you also have a claim that is as best I can tell completely unverifiable.
I am not on board a Phoenix lynch, yet. I've still got questions. And he's just seemed so Town to me. But I have doubts as well.
I advise you to review the two links I posted to Azrael above.
Paraphrasing Bur:
Just so you know, gathering information about dead players requires that you passively visit them, should any ability exist that sees who visits another player/who another player visits, your ability will cause you to show up on their report.
I'm not counter claiming. I didn't visit anyone, but the minute Jenna, who I was already hard scum reading said she "Watched DV", with people already pushing for her Lynch today, I knew it was bull. If you read the end of the day, there is no way Jenna would watch unless she is the worst mafia player in the world and completely didn't understand what his role did. SO I acted like I was guilty of visiting DV and furiously avoided answering her, baiting her to lie and say I was guilty (in a round about OMGUS way, since I was pushing for her Lynch). If she came out and said I visited DV last night, BAM! One for One! Guaranteed scum caught whether or not I got lynched first. I also intentionally implied that I may counter claim. This is important later. Please note it worked too, because that's immediately what LNG assumed.
Terry, what kind of scum is going to fall for this "gambit?" It doesn't even make any sense.
Well, based on here Day 1 play, I was assuming Jenna would be the type of scum to fall for that gambit.
I think I will lose because my team isn't listening to me
Who is on your team? Has your team changed? Your behavior has noticeably changed as well.
The town. Not unless the scum have a recruiting role, or we have a Cultist - both of which I strongly doubt. Yes, my behavior is that of Iso who has given up all hope that his team is going to win, so I'm effectively going through the motions at this point. How good of you to notice.
I stated I was 100% against a Grapefruit lynch. Did you miss that part?
The town should sheep me because I'm Iso and have a tendency to always be right except when I'm not which is never.
Yes, it's about teamwork. And our stunning teamwork managed to get us a mislynch on Day 1.
After all, teams need a manager, don't they?
you said you were against the Grapefruit lynch, but were you or were you not against the lynch on Last? please clarify that and your opinion on him now. if your opinion has changed somewhat, please detail what caused a change in your reads. your vote should've easily landed on Last, if you were so 'pro-Iso' as you say you are.
if you followed the town once, into a mislynch, you're obliged to follow town to the end. if you lynched mafia and did it your way, or just voted Last despite the opposition, we might see the sense in your words. you can't expect us to fail once, follow along just to prove a point, and then take the lead and put out the fire. proving your point doesn't do anything for us, it's worthless.
As I said, I had reasonable doubts about LW towards the end of the Day, but I still think he's scum.
That said, he clearly has no idea what he's doing, which makes Az, who is also scum, a much better lynch for toDay.
@Phraze Last/Terry/Killjoy should all be town for that early D1 tie. all 3 of them gained focus that never actually broke down even after dozens of pages later.
Can you explain this again? I want to better understand how you came to this conclusion.
also why do you town read Tom?
you sure forget a lot lol
scum usually focus on finding faults in the town. the more pressure someone receives, the more likely they're going to make mistakes, and scum will capitalize on that mistake. the scumteam just has to tilt the board in their favor, whenever town tries to move in the right direction. finding fault can seem like scumhunting, but it is more sinister and controlling.
this kind of buildup was what happened since that early D1 tie. the town's focus was heavily shifted towards Last, for being scummy, and Dawn, for fooling around. Killjoy was questioned by Dawn, and his absence was capitalized on - Osie and others noted that he hardly posted in the thread. I think another reason Killjoy was pushed was...his scumread on Osie? that seemed to be the main reason Killjoy was scumread: for scumreading Osie - the D1 tie was just the starting point. the easiest mislynch candidates were Dawn/Last, not Killjoy, which means Killjoy must have been onto something since he was ANYTHING but an easy mislynch.
as for Tom, his thinking process is clear. I don't see any hidden agenda or caution in his actions that are indicative of being scum. he doesn't have that 'sinister and controlling' 'trying to find fault' vibe. I'm pretty sure he's town.
also you asked me before why I scum read tom, I want to do an Iso on him, to fully understand him, but I just have this feeling that he is scum... Like He defense of Jenna felt like it came from someone that already knew he would flip town, which obviously we dont know that, but I'm just saying thats how it felt.
and I dont like attacking people for not being able to be active at certain times, but again the way he appeared at the EoD is just so uggh...
and why did he get so mad when I associated him with Jenna, like his tone did a 180... lol
I mean maybe ill move him up to neutral, but he isnt getting at town read from, and regardless of if he believes his vote on me isnt omgus, it totally is... lol
no idea
Last - townish
Jenna - townish
Axelrod - townish
Phoenix - townish
Kabazame - townish
Megs!Cythare
Shinichi
scumlean
Iso
Osie
I think Azrael/Iso aren't aligned. Azrael called Iso out, and received an omgus lynch vote in return.
more in favor of Azrael being town while Iso is scum.
would there be 4 or 5 scum?
You must be in another universe if you think I'm voting Az for him "calling me out". Have you been reading my posts?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well, it's unfortunate that, in addition to meaning that Bur would have had to have adopted a new style, you also have a claim that is as best I can tell completely unverifiable.
I am not on board a Phoenix lynch, yet. I've still got questions. And he's just seemed so Town to me. But I have doubts as well.
I advise you to review the two links I posted to Azrael above.
I reviewed them.
Am I supposed to be seeing something besides you expressing suspicion of Phoenix?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not counter claiming. I didn't visit anyone, but the minute Jenna, who I was already hard scum reading said she "Watched DV", with people already pushing for her Lynch today, I knew it was bull. If you read the end of the day, there is no way Jenna would watch unless she is the worst mafia player in the world and completely didn't understand what his role did. SO I acted like I was guilty of visiting DV and furiously avoided answering her, baiting her to lie and say I was guilty (in a round about OMGUS way, since I was pushing for her Lynch). If she came out and said I visited DV last night, BAM! One for One! Guaranteed scum caught whether or not I got lynched first. I also intentionally implied that I may counter claim. This is important later. Please note it worked too, because that's immediately what LNG assumed.
Terry, what kind of scum is going to fall for this "gambit?" It doesn't even make any sense.
lol his last few sentences are meh, why would any scum make up a lie like that... Why would any town think this would be plausable, lol, this doesnt give me town vibes at all..
Paraphrasing Bur:
Just so you know, gathering information about dead players requires that you passively visit them, should any ability exist that sees who visits another player/who another player visits, your ability will cause you to show up on their report.
Because it looked like you were claiming to have "seen" someone give BP to Shin last night, that's what. You with your "Watcher" role (which didn't turn out to be a Watcher, but you were clearly implying that). I mean, how else does one interpret that statement?
By following the chain of posts that led up to that one.
I'm not counter claiming. I didn't visit anyone, but the minute Jenna, who I was already hard scum reading said she "Watched DV", with people already pushing for her Lynch today, I knew it was bull. If you read the end of the day, there is no way Jenna would watch unless she is the worst mafia player in the world and completely didn't understand what his role did. SO I acted like I was guilty of visiting DV and furiously avoided answering her, baiting her to lie and say I was guilty (in a round about OMGUS way, since I was pushing for her Lynch). If she came out and said I visited DV last night, BAM! One for One! Guaranteed scum caught whether or not I got lynched first. I also intentionally implied that I may counter claim. This is important later. Please note it worked too, because that's immediately what LNG assumed.
Terry, what kind of scum is going to fall for this "gambit?" It doesn't even make any sense.
Well, based on here Day 1 play, I was assuming Jenna would be the type of scum to fall for that gambit.
I think I will lose because my team isn't listening to me
Who is on your team? Has your team changed? Your behavior has noticeably changed as well.
The town. Not unless the scum have a recruiting role, or we have a Cultist - both of which I strongly doubt. Yes, my behavior is that of Iso who has given up all hope that his team is going to win, so I'm effectively going through the motions at this point. How good of you to notice.
I would like a more specific answer to the first question. Name names.
Regarding Phoenix's claim: I actually don't believe it, but I still want to lynch Az toDay.
I...what?
pretty comical coming from Iso's failed claim, and then coming out as the vengeful... which is easier to use to create a fake role, than what you claimed.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
As far as PF goes, auto-targeting and diversion from Bur's usual full role pm reveal seem a bit far fetched. There are some things that do line up. I went back and checked the Order of Operations and information gathering occurs after killing, but it gave me pause that this would actually require PF to target a dead player, but Grape's role actually revealed that that's a possibility in this setup. If I squint, I can see PF's claim as a watered down role cop claim by scum. I need to absorb this more.
I think I will lose because my team isn't listening to me
Who is on your team? Has your team changed? Your behavior has noticeably changed as well.
The town. Not unless the scum have a recruiting role, or we have a Cultist - both of which I strongly doubt. Yes, my behavior is that of Iso who has given up all hope that his team is going to win, so I'm effectively going through the motions at this point. How good of you to notice.
I would like a more specific answer to the first question. Name names.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well, it's unfortunate that, in addition to meaning that Bur would have had to have adopted a new style, you also have a claim that is as best I can tell completely unverifiable.
I am not on board a Phoenix lynch, yet. I've still got questions. And he's just seemed so Town to me. But I have doubts as well.
I advise you to review the two links I posted to Azrael above.
I reviewed them.
Am I supposed to be seeing something besides you expressing suspicion of Phoenix?
The substance of Phoenix. But it doesn't matter now.
As far as PF goes, auto-targeting and diversion from Bur's usual full role pm reveal seem a bit far fetched. There are some things that do line up. I went back and checked the Order of Operations and information gathering occurs after killing, but it gave me pause that this would actually require PF to target a dead player, but Grape's role actually revealed that that's a possibility in this setup. If I squint, I can see PF's claim as a watered down role cop claim by scum. I need to absorb this more.
Explain? the last sentence? I'm interested... "Watered down role cop claim."
I'm not counter claiming. I didn't visit anyone, but the minute Jenna, who I was already hard scum reading said she "Watched DV", with people already pushing for her Lynch today, I knew it was bull. If you read the end of the day, there is no way Jenna would watch unless she is the worst mafia player in the world and completely didn't understand what his role did. SO I acted like I was guilty of visiting DV and furiously avoided answering her, baiting her to lie and say I was guilty (in a round about OMGUS way, since I was pushing for her Lynch). If she came out and said I visited DV last night, BAM! One for One! Guaranteed scum caught whether or not I got lynched first. I also intentionally implied that I may counter claim. This is important later. Please note it worked too, because that's immediately what LNG assumed.
Terry, what kind of scum is going to fall for this "gambit?" It doesn't even make any sense.
Well, based on here Day 1 play, I was assuming Jenna would be the type of scum to fall for that gambit.
what??? that doesnt even make sense
Sure it does, based on Jenna's play, which I thought Day 1 was super scummy and the fact that she was new, made me think that she was inexperienced scum and would have fell for the gambit that I laid out.
Paraphrasing Bur:
Just so you know, gathering information about dead players requires that you passively visit them, should any ability exist that sees who visits another player/who another player visits, your ability will cause you to show up on their report.
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Holy crap, I'm so sorry.
Um what.
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Is this real?
It is. Sorry for causing trouble for you.
My assessment of this is that we lost a valuable opportunity by not knowing the full rules of the game. In your night report, I assume the moderators did not tell you explicitly that you visited D_V.
This is absolutely frustrating and stressful. If this were a roundtable game, this is when I would excuse myself and go do something else.
interesting development~ how many people blamed me for mixing up my role but ended up being JUST as clumsy with theirs (and one didn't even claim)? .... what goes around comes around. true story. //with a solemn expression
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Sure it does, based on Jenna's play, which I thought Day 1 was super scummy and the fact that she was new, made me think that she was inexperienced scum and would have fell for the gambit that I laid out.
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As far as PF goes, auto-targeting and diversion from Bur's usual full role pm reveal seem a bit far fetched. There are some things that do line up. I went back and checked the Order of Operations and information gathering occurs after killing, but it gave me pause that this would actually require PF to target a dead player, but Grape's role actually revealed that that's a possibility in this setup. If I squint, I can see PF's claim as a watered down role cop claim by scum. I need to absorb this more.
Explain? the last sentence? I'm interested... "Watered down role cop claim."
Assume a scum role cop (traditionally a scum role) is forced to claim, but if they claim role cop they'll get crucified, so they slightly alter their role description to appear town, but still confirmable in a way (by killing their target). It's a stretch, which is why I said "If I squint..."
Didn't someone mention that the game was no reveal at some point?
yes I do believe so, maybe you could find it? lol
I did a search but I couldn't find it. I'll see if I can skim the entire game and find it, but don't expect anything out of me for quite some time as I do this.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sure it does, based on Jenna's play, which I thought Day 1 was super scummy and the fact that she was new, made me think that she was inexperienced scum and would have fell for the gambit that I laid out.
Didn't someone mention that the game was no reveal at some point?
yes I do believe so, maybe you could find it? lol
I did a search but I couldn't find it. I'll see if I can skim the entire game and find it, but don't expect anything out of me for quite some time as I do this.
I looked for it in the sign up thread but didn't see anything regarding that also.
maybe a Roz vs CP. mtgs version.
Azrael can be Roz, Terry can be CP. now who will play Phraze trying to sort them out but got caught in the middle... ah, right...Jenna!
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm just leaving this here. I have an observation, but maybe that should be for a later time.
Shinichi - ability that costs 4 BP, I think?
Kabazame - unclaimed
tomsloger - unclaimed
Jenna Tolaria - Tracker, cost unknown, starting BP unknown
lastwhisper - Pay 1 BP give 1 BP. Starts at 3 MegiddoCythare - unclaimed
dawningbluesky - Roleblocker if BP drops to 3. Vig. if BP drops to 1, starts at 4
Iso - Vengeful, needs to get to 7 BP, start at (3?)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - unclaimed
Azrael - something that would kill him if he used it and also got betrayed(?)
Killjoy - unclaimed
LnGrrrR - pay 2 to find out if target betrayed, start at 4(?)
osieorb18 - pay 1 BP to Neighborize (can't remember if he said what he started at)
Phoenix-Fire - passive role revealer, no BP required
Axelrod - unclaimed
Dead:
Grapefruit21 - Santa, Town Reviver (cost of 7, started at 3, plus made everyone lovers)
D_V - Seven, Town Detective (cost of 6, started at 3)
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm just leaving this here. I have an observation, but maybe that should be for a later time.
Shinichi - ability that costs 4 BP, I think?
Kabazame - unclaimed
tomsloger - unclaimed
Jenna Tolaria - Tracker, cost unknown, starting BP unknown
lastwhisper - Pay 1 BP give 1 BP. Starts at 3 MegiddoCythare - unclaimed
dawningbluesky - Roleblocker if BP drops to 3. Vig. if BP drops to 1, starts at 4
Iso - Vengeful, needs to get to 7 BP, start at (3?)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - unclaimed
Azrael - something that would kill him if he used it and also got betrayed(?)
Killjoy - unclaimed
LnGrrrR - pay 2 to find out if target betrayed, start at 4(?)
osieorb18 - pay 1 BP to Neighborize (can't remember if he said what he started at)
Phoenix-Fire - passive role revealer, no BP required
Axelrod - unclaimed
Dead:
Grapefruit21 - Santa, Town Reviver (cost of 7, started at 3, plus made everyone lovers)
D_V - Seven, Town Detective (cost of 6, started at 3)
did Osie say or not if he neighborized someone last night?
maybe a Roz vs CP. mtgs version.
Azrael can be Roz, Terry can be CP. now who will play Phraze trying to sort them out but got caught in the middle... ah, right...Jenna!
This whole excursive may be fun for you, but it's greek to most of us here. I don't even know what you're implying by doing this.
Who's autovoting?
I'm not counter claiming. I didn't visit anyone, but the minute Jenna, who I was already hard scum reading said she "Watched DV", with people already pushing for her Lynch today, I knew it was bull. If you read the end of the day, there is no way Jenna would watch unless she is the worst mafia player in the world and completely didn't understand what his role did. SO I acted like I was guilty of visiting DV and furiously avoided answering her, baiting her to lie and say I was guilty (in a round about OMGUS way, since I was pushing for her Lynch). If she came out and said I visited DV last night, BAM! One for One! Guaranteed scum caught whether or not I got lynched first. I also intentionally implied that I may counter claim. This is important later. Please note it worked too, because that's immediately what LNG assumed.
Now, what we have here is even better. Azrael's push on me was like HE actually fell for the trap I laid and Jenna came out with a significantly improved standing in my opinion. Here's the thing. Azrael claims to have foreseen the Tracker Gambit:
But Azrael, oh Azrael... He didn't assume that I was going to counter claim, he didn't second guess Jenna's target choice, but yet he ANTICIPATED the tracker gambit?! No way. I don't buy it. His case on me was so flimsy:
Although at this point it might be moot. Seems like either you and Phoenix are in a gambit together, or you really have a Tracker role. I'm not sure I can see how you would know that Phoenix visited DV otherwise.
#2425: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-1-welcome-to-my-kingdom?comment=2425
#3395: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-1-welcome-to-my-kingdom?comment=3395
Terry, what kind of scum is going to fall for this "gambit?" It doesn't even make any sense.
Unvote
Is this real?
The town. Not unless the scum have a recruiting role, or we have a Cultist - both of which I strongly doubt. Yes, my behavior is that of Iso who has given up all hope that his team is going to win, so I'm effectively going through the motions at this point. How good of you to notice.
As I said, I had reasonable doubts about LW towards the end of the Day, but I still think he's scum.
That said, he clearly has no idea what he's doing, which makes Az, who is also scum, a much better lynch for toDay.
The implication was that I'm always town. But I see the intricacies of the lampshading of my self-meta have eluded you.
I don't remember why I quoted this.
You must be in another universe if you think I'm voting Az for him "calling me out". Have you been reading my posts?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I reviewed them.
Am I supposed to be seeing something besides you expressing suspicion of Phoenix?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not sure what part of this post you've quoted isn't clear to you.
The people who aren't my scum reads.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Didn't someone mention that the game was no reveal at some point?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
VOTE: Azrael
This is absolutely frustrating and stressful. If this were a roundtable game, this is when I would excuse myself and go do something else.
Be grateful, always."
I'm starting to think Terry/Azrael are just like Roz lmao
presenting~
Be grateful, always."
I did a search but I couldn't find it. I'll see if I can skim the entire game and find it, but don't expect anything out of me for quite some time as I do this.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Azrael can be Roz, Terry can be CP. now who will play Phraze trying to sort them out but got caught in the middle... ah, right...Jenna!
Be grateful, always."
Shinichi - ability that costs 4 BP, I think?
Kabazame - unclaimed
tomsloger - unclaimed
Jenna Tolaria - Tracker, cost unknown, starting BP unknown
lastwhisper - Pay 1 BP give 1 BP. Starts at 3
MegiddoCythare - unclaimeddawningbluesky - Roleblocker if BP drops to 3. Vig. if BP drops to 1, starts at 4
Iso - Vengeful, needs to get to 7 BP, start at (3?)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - unclaimed
Azrael - something that would kill him if he used it and also got betrayed(?)
Killjoy - unclaimed
LnGrrrR - pay 2 to find out if target betrayed, start at 4(?)
osieorb18 - pay 1 BP to Neighborize (can't remember if he said what he started at)
Phoenix-Fire - passive role revealer, no BP required
Axelrod - unclaimed
Dead:
Grapefruit21 - Santa, Town Reviver (cost of 7, started at 3, plus made everyone lovers)
D_V - Seven, Town Detective (cost of 6, started at 3)