What you didnt learn is how ineffective meta is i Guess. Now only is that game different, the people are different, the pace is different, the phase length is different. Shall I go on? Meta is ineffective.
oh? then tell me what you were implying when you quoted Last's reply to me and said, "I can see that". you were referencing one of our old games, right? that means you ARE relying on meta.
Seeing the same thing as you involves meta, but that itself wouldnt change ym read on last.
and so you agree. if that is the case, both of us are using meta, and you have no right to criticize it.
Uhm i use meta quite often, its just flawed which is why its normally just a start for me.
no idea
Last - townish
Jenna - townish
Axelrod - townish
Phoenix - townish
Kabazame - townish
Megs!Cythare
Shinichi
scumlean
Iso
Osie
I think Azrael/Iso aren't aligned. Azrael called Iso out, and received an omgus lynch vote in return.
more in favor of Azrael being town while Iso is scum.
would there be 4 or 5 scum?
I think 4? and I agree that I dont think Iso and Azrael, and im leaning more towards Az being scum, the literal opposite of you. :/
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Last - townish
Jenna - townish
Axelrod - townish
Phoenix - townish
Kabazame - townish
Megs!Cythare
Shinichi
scumlean
Iso
Osie
I think Azrael/Iso aren't aligned. Azrael called Iso out, and received an omgus lynch vote in return.
more in favor of Azrael being town while Iso is scum.
would there be 4 or 5 scum?
I think 4? and I agree that I dont think Iso and Azrael, and im leaning more towards Az being scum, the literal opposite of you. :/
What you didnt learn is how ineffective meta is i Guess. Now only is that game different, the people are different, the pace is different, the phase length is different. Shall I go on? Meta is ineffective.
oh? then tell me what you were implying when you quoted Last's reply to me and said, "I can see that". you were referencing one of our old games, right? that means you ARE relying on meta.
Seeing the same thing as you involves meta, but that itself wouldnt change ym read on last.
and so you agree. if that is the case, both of us are using meta, and you have no right to criticize it.
Uhm i use meta quite often, its just flawed which is why its normally just a start for me.
if you're having the same problem, then you shouldn't pick on me with meta reasons.
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I think 4? and I agree that I dont think Iso and Azrael, and im leaning more towards Az being scum, the literal opposite of you. :/
I dont think Iso and Azrael are aligned*
ok, now we're talking. you can agree that Iso/Azrael aren't aligned. does this mean you think Iso is town, even when you think his cc stunt was bad? what makes Azrael scummier than that?
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@Az: Why do you keep specifying that I said that I was a town aligned murderer, but aren't linking that to anything else? I feel like if you're consistantly alluding to that, you'd be wondering why I never said anything at the time that Dawn claimed Vig, nor was really interested in Iso's vig claim either. It's kind of a weird reaction.
@Az/Iso: Is it not even remotely suspicious to either of you, that you both think each other are scum with the same people?I would also like people to answer this question.-_-
Murderer is just flavor, doesn't necessarily mean a killing role. Although, this particular observation of yours makes that a far more likely possibility. You sure you don't want to claim to be the scummy neutral player?
I don't put it past Iso to include 2 scum in his list, but apparently, from the way things are shaping up, I'm rustier than I thought. Or maybe I just need to remember how often I change my reads right before a lynch, provided an actual claim/defense takes place. Didn't really have those fail-safes with Grape.
I've had enough of your role fishing. Stop now and claim your results. I'm deliberately not answering whether to not I visited DV last night because this is me calling BS on Jenna.
Prove your role...
Best defense is a good offense is the mentality I'm seeing with Terry here. Effectively a scum claim. No one else is catching this?
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
Your glory? I was more watching Jenna's steely nerves in the face of your panicked counter-attack with glowing admiration, actually.
But she's not really the watcher. She's trolling the thread and distracting us from being more productive. She's asking the WHOLE GAME to claim their roles!!!!!!! This is not acceptable behavior. She should have been lynched yesterday and if she is town I will not lose any sleep over her flip. Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
We can add misrep and hyperbole to the list of tells you've committed. Asking players whether or not they targeted DV is hardly equivalent to a mass-claim.
I don't understand why a townie would panick and OMGUS the way you have to Jenna merely stating that she was a watcher, who targeted DV. Feeling pretty happy about cutting you from my town list in advance of her claim. Vote is staying right where it is.
I'm right because the evidence in-thread supports it
I think I will lose because my team isn't listening to me
I already caught the mafia
me surviving over Grapefruit is useful because I caught the scum and he didn't
there is "right" before the game is over because the scum are a non-fluctuating value that was pre-determined as the game began and if you don't think the scum are scum then you're wrong
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@Az: Why do you keep specifying that I said that I was a town aligned murderer, but aren't linking that to anything else? I feel like if you're consistantly alluding to that, you'd be wondering why I never said anything at the time that Dawn claimed Vig, nor was really interested in Iso's vig claim either. It's kind of a weird reaction.
@Az/Iso: Is it not even remotely suspicious to either of you, that you both think each other are scum with the same people?I would also like people to answer this question.-_-
Murderer is just flavor, doesn't necessarily mean a killing role. Although, this particular observation of yours makes that a far more likely possibility. You sure you don't want to claim to be the scummy neutral player?
I don't put it past Iso to include 2 scum in his list, but apparently, from the way things are shaping up, I'm rustier than I thought. Or maybe I just need to remember how often I change my reads right before a lynch, provided an actual claim/defense takes place. Didn't really have those fail-safes with Grape.
I've had enough of your role fishing. Stop now and claim your results. I'm deliberately not answering whether to not I visited DV last night because this is me calling BS on Jenna.
Prove your role...
Best defense is a good offense is the mentality I'm seeing with Terry here. Effectively a scum claim. No one else is catching this?
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
Your glory? I was more watching Jenna's steely nerves in the face of your panicked counter-attack with glowing admiration, actually.
But she's not really the watcher. She's trolling the thread and distracting us from being more productive. She's asking the WHOLE GAME to claim their roles!!!!!!! This is not acceptable behavior. She should have been lynched yesterday and if she is town I will not lose any sleep over her flip. Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
We can add misrep and hyperbole to the list of tells you've committed. Asking players whether or not they targeted DV is hardly equivalent to a mass-claim.
I don't understand why a townie would panick and OMGUS the way you have to Jenna merely stating that she was a watcher, who targeted DV. Feeling pretty happy about cutting you from my town list in advance of her claim. Vote is staying right where it is.
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Posts like this, lmao, he has like selective reading, when it comes to only seeing one side of any post lol... in one post he went from likeing Jenna and not liking Terry. Hes preemptive and his tone comes off as manipulative, he sounds like scum trying to sway town to mislynch, is what im trying to get at...
Who else did Azrael try to push last phase? Like even his defense of me, was like jesus, he spent that much time trying to get people to town read me...
I'm right because the evidence in-thread supports it
I think I will lose because my team isn't listening to me
I already caught the mafia
me surviving over Grapefruit is useful because I caught the scum and he didn't
there is "right" before the game is over because the scum are a non-fluctuating value that was pre-determined as the game began and if you don't think the scum are scum then you're wrong
what is the context to this post? Feels like he is talking to himself? is he trying to be comical here? *****, I'd rather have Grape alive than me right now haha.
what does his last point even mean? and where has he caught mafia. also how did I not see this post, its hilarious
Haha this is working out better than I imagined. AZ just claimed scum too. For such a fearsome rep, I expected AZ to have figured out that Jenna is lying on his own, but clearly he hasn't and now he's pushing some preschool mafia case on me. Like it was so bad and forced. LW actually impressed me calling him on that.
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Posts like this, lmao, he has like selective reading, when it comes to only seeing one side of any post lol... in one post he went from likeing Jenna and not liking Terry. Hes preemptive and his tone comes off as manipulative, he sounds like scum trying to sway town to mislynch, is what im trying to get at...
Who else did Azrael try to push last phase? Like even his defense of me, was like jesus, he spent that much time trying to get people to town read me...
everyone has their playstyles. can you look beyond that and decipher his mindset? you're known to be paranoid of 'forceful' players and scumread them. is it possible you're scumreading Azrael simply because of his forceful tone? the way you say say preemptive and manipulative sure sounds like that 'forceful' trait you're paranoid of~
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I'm right because the evidence in-thread supports it
I think I will lose because my team isn't listening to me
I already caught the mafia
me surviving over Grapefruit is useful because I caught the scum and he didn't
there is "right" before the game is over because the scum are a non-fluctuating value that was pre-determined as the game began and if you don't think the scum are scum then you're wrong
what is the context to this post? Feels like he is talking to himself? is he trying to be comical here? *****, I'd rather have Grape alive than me right now haha.
what does his last point even mean? and where has he caught mafia. also how did I not see this post, its hilarious
see? lel. mind seeing both sides of the coin now?
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Haha this is working out better than I imagined. AZ just claimed scum too. For such a fearsome rep, I expected AZ to have figured out that Jenna is lying on his own, but clearly he hasn't and now he's pushing some preschool mafia case on me. Like it was so bad and forced. LW actually impressed me calling him on that.
I might replace you with Last for a neutral read.. this post is very accusative.
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I really want to keep pushing on Jenna, but with posts like #4257 I'm pretty good going after AZ too. Jenna get in here and finish this. There's a chance you can come out of this being town with the right claim, so let's hear it. It's a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
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Posts like this, lmao, he has like selective reading, when it comes to only seeing one side of any post lol... in one post he went from likeing Jenna and not liking Terry. Hes preemptive and his tone comes off as manipulative, he sounds like scum trying to sway town to mislynch, is what im trying to get at...
Who else did Azrael try to push last phase? Like even his defense of me, was like jesus, he spent that much time trying to get people to town read me...
everyone has their playstyles. can you look beyond that and decipher his mindset? you're known to be paranoid of 'forceful' players and scumread them. is it possible you're scumreading Azrael simply because of his forceful tone? the way you say say preemptive and manipulative sure sounds like that 'forceful' trait you're paranoid of~
No I am not, Logic is a special case, it manages to forceful in a scummy way, you can easily be forceful in a town way, and no that is not why im scum reading Azrael, at least its not all of it. Azrael reminds me of Ruu, more then Logic tho, where he likes to get excited when he thinks he solved the game. I still think Azrael is scummy lmao... and Iso, well I mean they could be scum theater? lmao
I really want to keep pushing on Jenna, but with posts like #4257 I'm pretty good going after AZ too. Jenna get in here and finish this. There's a chance you can come out of this being town with the right claim, so let's hear it. It's a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
are you trying to pit a town!Jenna against a town!Azrael to do your dirty work? you're practically blackmailing Jenna with a scumread if she doesn't help you. I'm shocked...
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Haha this is working out better than I imagined. AZ just claimed scum too. For such a fearsome rep, I expected AZ to have figured out that Jenna is lying on his own, but clearly he hasn't and now he's pushing some preschool mafia case on me. Like it was so bad and forced. LW actually impressed me calling him on that.
Lmao... I dont know yet if Jenna is lying, and I really hope she spills the beans tmr... but why are you saying Az just claimed scum too? I just thought there were two sides to the coin, and your reaction to Jenna's (slight rolefishing) could come from town as much as scum, and its just weird how he looked past all that and went right to scum.
At least we can both agree that it sounds fake and forced... lol
I really want to keep pushing on Jenna, but with posts like #4257 I'm pretty good going after AZ too. Jenna get in here and finish this. There's a chance you can come out of this being town with the right claim, so let's hear it. It's a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
are you trying to pit a town!Jenna against a town!Azrael to do your dirty work? you're practically blackmailing Jenna with a scumread if she doesn't help you. I'm shocked...
hmm I wouldnt say Jenna is town just yet, and you know how I feel about Azrael, and I actually want to see those two interact more
I really want to keep pushing on Jenna, but with posts like #4257 I'm pretty good going after AZ too. Jenna get in here and finish this. There's a chance you can come out of this being town with the right claim, so let's hear it. It's a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
are you trying to pit a town!Jenna against a town!Azrael to do your dirty work? you're practically blackmailing Jenna with a scumread if she doesn't help you. I'm shocked...
I'm obviously not town reading either. I'm not blackmailing Jenna I've been on her since yesterday and she's only gotten more scummy since. She's stalling and fishing.
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Posts like this, lmao, he has like selective reading, when it comes to only seeing one side of any post lol... in one post he went from likeing Jenna and not liking Terry. Hes preemptive and his tone comes off as manipulative, he sounds like scum trying to sway town to mislynch, is what im trying to get at...
Who else did Azrael try to push last phase? Like even his defense of me, was like jesus, he spent that much time trying to get people to town read me...
everyone has their playstyles. can you look beyond that and decipher his mindset? you're known to be paranoid of 'forceful' players and scumread them. is it possible you're scumreading Azrael simply because of his forceful tone? the way you say say preemptive and manipulative sure sounds like that 'forceful' trait you're paranoid of~
No I am not, Logic is a special case, it manages to forceful in a scummy way, you can easily be forceful in a town way, and no that is not why im scum reading Azrael, at least its not all of it. Azrael reminds me of Ruu, more then Logic tho, where he likes to get excited when he thinks he solved the game. I still think Azrael is scummy lmao... and Iso, well I mean they could be scum theater? lmao
if you say Azrael is like Ruu... that means I'm better at reading him than you are lol. I don't think he's like Ruu. Azrael mentioned that he has this crazy playstyle of scumclaiming so if anything..he's more like CP (but with less gambits). I really doubt the lynch theatre is aligned or a bus. one is definitely pushing the other.
out of Azrael and Iso, who do you think is scum? I really doubt they're aligned.
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I really want to keep pushing on Jenna, but with posts like #4257 I'm pretty good going after AZ too. Jenna get in here and finish this. There's a chance you can come out of this being town with the right claim, so let's hear it. It's a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
are you trying to pit a town!Jenna against a town!Azrael to do your dirty work? you're practically blackmailing Jenna with a scumread if she doesn't help you. I'm shocked...
hmm I wouldnt say Jenna is town just yet, and you know how I feel about Azrael, and I actually want to see those two interact more
if you wanna know what to think about them, just question them. waiting for others to interact is really lazy.
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Posts like this, lmao, he has like selective reading, when it comes to only seeing one side of any post lol... in one post he went from likeing Jenna and not liking Terry. Hes preemptive and his tone comes off as manipulative, he sounds like scum trying to sway town to mislynch, is what im trying to get at...
Who else did Azrael try to push last phase? Like even his defense of me, was like jesus, he spent that much time trying to get people to town read me...
everyone has their playstyles. can you look beyond that and decipher his mindset? you're known to be paranoid of 'forceful' players and scumread them. is it possible you're scumreading Azrael simply because of his forceful tone? the way you say say preemptive and manipulative sure sounds like that 'forceful' trait you're paranoid of~
No I am not, Logic is a special case, it manages to forceful in a scummy way, you can easily be forceful in a town way, and no that is not why im scum reading Azrael, at least its not all of it. Azrael reminds me of Ruu, more then Logic tho, where he likes to get excited when he thinks he solved the game. I still think Azrael is scummy lmao... and Iso, well I mean they could be scum theater? lmao
if you say Azrael is like Ruu... that means I'm better at reading him than you are lol. I don't think he's like Ruu. Azrael mentioned that he has this crazy playstyle of scumclaiming so if anything..he's more like CP (but with less gambits). I really doubt the lynch theatre is aligned or a bus. one is definitely pushing the other.
out of Azrael and Iso, who do you think is scum? I really doubt they're aligned.
ohh god cp, actually that would be rinto who randomly claimed to be SK, to bait me as mafia... and atm if I was to assume only one of them could be scum, god I want to say Azrael, cause I honestly dont think they are both aligned, but god does Iso have his moments also. I plead the 4th (which literally makes no sense in this context, but w/e)
I really want to keep pushing on Jenna, but with posts like #4257 I'm pretty good going after AZ too. Jenna get in here and finish this. There's a chance you can come out of this being town with the right claim, so let's hear it. It's a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
are you trying to pit a town!Jenna against a town!Azrael to do your dirty work? you're practically blackmailing Jenna with a scumread if she doesn't help you. I'm shocked...
I'm obviously not town reading either. I'm not blackmailing Jenna I've been on her since yesterday and she's only gotten more scummy since. She's stalling and fishing.
I'm sure you can gamesolve while keeping an eye on her. if you're going to go out of your way to scumread someone, that person must be very special :3
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I really want to keep pushing on Jenna, but with posts like #4257 I'm pretty good going after AZ too. Jenna get in here and finish this. There's a chance you can come out of this being town with the right claim, so let's hear it. It's a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
are you trying to pit a town!Jenna against a town!Azrael to do your dirty work? you're practically blackmailing Jenna with a scumread if she doesn't help you. I'm shocked...
hmm I wouldnt say Jenna is town just yet, and you know how I feel about Azrael, and I actually want to see those two interact more
if you wanna know what to think about them, just question them. waiting for others to interact is really lazy.
***** I want to see them mingle more, you want me to ask them politely to talk to each other? lol, its not lazy, there's information that can easily be gotten by watching two people interact with each other, maybe it wont help at the moment, but if one ever flips, it can help in figuring out the alignment of the other.
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Posts like this, lmao, he has like selective reading, when it comes to only seeing one side of any post lol... in one post he went from likeing Jenna and not liking Terry. Hes preemptive and his tone comes off as manipulative, he sounds like scum trying to sway town to mislynch, is what im trying to get at...
Who else did Azrael try to push last phase? Like even his defense of me, was like jesus, he spent that much time trying to get people to town read me...
everyone has their playstyles. can you look beyond that and decipher his mindset? you're known to be paranoid of 'forceful' players and scumread them. is it possible you're scumreading Azrael simply because of his forceful tone? the way you say say preemptive and manipulative sure sounds like that 'forceful' trait you're paranoid of~
No I am not, Logic is a special case, it manages to forceful in a scummy way, you can easily be forceful in a town way, and no that is not why im scum reading Azrael, at least its not all of it. Azrael reminds me of Ruu, more then Logic tho, where he likes to get excited when he thinks he solved the game. I still think Azrael is scummy lmao... and Iso, well I mean they could be scum theater? lmao
if you say Azrael is like Ruu... that means I'm better at reading him than you are lol. I don't think he's like Ruu. Azrael mentioned that he has this crazy playstyle of scumclaiming so if anything..he's more like CP (but with less gambits). I really doubt the lynch theatre is aligned or a bus. one is definitely pushing the other.
out of Azrael and Iso, who do you think is scum? I really doubt they're aligned.
ohh god cp, actually that would be rinto who randomly claimed to be SK, to bait me as mafia... and atm if I was to assume only one of them could be scum, god I want to say Azrael, cause I honestly dont think they are both aligned, but god does Iso have his moments also. I plead the 4th (which literally makes no sense in this context, but w/e)
lol Rinto takes the damn cake too
aside from tonal reads, what do you find scummy about Azrael? Iso tried to cc the vig, so tell me what Azrael has done that can be as bad as that. I wanna see a proper comparison, not just bias.
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Haha this is working out better than I imagined. AZ just claimed scum too. For such a fearsome rep, I expected AZ to have figured out that Jenna is lying on his own, but clearly he hasn't and now he's pushing some preschool mafia case on me. Like it was so bad and forced. LW actually impressed me calling him on that.
Lmao... I dont know yet if Jenna is lying, and I really hope she spills the beans tmr... but why are you saying Az just claimed scum too? I just thought there were two sides to the coin, and your reaction to Jenna's (slight rolefishing) could come from town as much as scum, and its just weird how he looked past all that and went right to scum.
At least we can both agree that it sounds fake and forced... lol
If AZ is as good as he says he is he should have known what I was doing because it's not that hard to figure, instead he scum pushes me with some forced and weak reason
I really want to keep pushing on Jenna, but with posts like #4257 I'm pretty good going after AZ too. Jenna get in here and finish this. There's a chance you can come out of this being town with the right claim, so let's hear it. It's a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
are you trying to pit a town!Jenna against a town!Azrael to do your dirty work? you're practically blackmailing Jenna with a scumread if she doesn't help you. I'm shocked...
hmm I wouldnt say Jenna is town just yet, and you know how I feel about Azrael, and I actually want to see those two interact more
if you wanna know what to think about them, just question them. waiting for others to interact is really lazy.
***** I want to see them mingle more, you want me to ask them politely to talk to each other? lol, its not lazy, there's information that can easily be gotten by watching two people interact with each other, maybe it wont help at the moment, but if one ever flips, it can help in figuring out the alignment of the other.
you could use direct questioning as an alternative. doesn't look like they'll be interacting anytime soon. if watching interactions is the only way you can scumhunt, shouldn't you be just a spectator?
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are you trying to pit a town!Jenna against a town!Azrael to do your dirty work? you're practically blackmailing Jenna with a scumread if she doesn't help you. I'm shocked...
hmm I wouldnt say Jenna is town just yet, and you know how I feel about Azrael, and I actually want to see those two interact more
if you wanna know what to think about them, just question them. waiting for others to interact is really lazy.
***** I want to see them mingle more, you want me to ask them politely to talk to each other? lol, its not lazy, there's information that can easily be gotten by watching two people interact with each other, maybe it wont help at the moment, but if one ever flips, it can help in figuring out the alignment of the other.
you could use direct questioning as an alternative. doesn't look like they'll be interacting anytime soon. if watching interactions is the only way you can scumhunt, shouldn't you be just a spectator?
wowow, when did I ever imply that, its not the only thing im looking for, I'm just saying I would like it to happen...
I guess I'll add an azrael ISO, a long side my tom ISO, in the upcoming days. Heading off for the night
wowow, when did I ever imply that, its not the only thing im looking for, I'm just saying I would like it to happen...
I guess I'll add an azrael ISO, a long side my tom ISO, in the upcoming days. Heading off for the night
hmm... you're all over the place
Tom was suspicious to you since that 'omgus' about Jenna/Tom. you actually feel better about Jenna, so that means Tom is scum. you're willing to make a case on Azrael for being forceful, but not Iso who tried to 'cc the vig which is a crime'. ok.... idk what to say lol
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If AZ is as good as he says he is he should have known what I was doing because it's not that hard to figure, instead he scum pushes me with some forced and weak reason
What is the kool-aid that you and Iso are drinking together back in the scum-cave? Just rabidly OMGUS everyone in sight, fake massive amounts of confidence, and hope it sticks? I yawn in your general direction, sir. And I'm not buying a gambit in response to her claim, if that's your tack. There are only two likely scenarios here.
One, Jenna has identified two players who targeted DV last night, one of which is scum. I'm guessing that is you, based on your going completely nuclear. 50-50 shot at scum at minimum, but the odds of a hit improve drastically after analysis of the players in question.
Two, Jenna is scum running some kind of suicidal gambit and/or frame job. Possible, but very rare, very risky, and very unlikely. I'd be more prepared to believe in that, if you hadn't completed and utterly overreacted to her claim and went into full counter-attack and discredit mode at the first hint she was going to implicate you.
Look if Iso is town, I'm town, and Dawn is town... then the lynch yesterday was gunna be a mislynch regardless...
I'm actually thinking Iso is scum lol
oh but I think you would've been the safest mislynch for us~ no actually, that should be me. I'm annoyed with this town.
as of right now, the only thing I dont like about Iso, is how he went from claiming vigi (yes I know it was a mistake, but who even cc's a vig claim), to being a vengeful, it just feels to convenient
I'm sure there's a right lynch in that mix. Iso more of scumread for me.
then again.. I have a great idea! Iso can be tpr and Azrael can be scum, or vice versa. that's twisted lol
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If AZ is as good as he says he is he should have known what I was doing because it's not that hard to figure, instead he scum pushes me with some forced and weak reason
What is the kool-aid that you and Iso are drinking together back in the scum-cave? Just rabidly OMGUS everyone in sight, fake massive amounts of confidence, and hope it sticks? I yawn in your general direction, sir. And I'm not buying a gambit in response to her claim, if that's your tack. There are only two likely scenarios here.
One, Jenna has identified two players who targeted DV last night, one of which is scum. I'm guessing that is you, based on your going completely nuclear. 50-50 shot at scum at minimum, but the odds of a hit improve drastically after analysis of the players in question.
Two, Jenna is scum running some kind of suicidal gambit and/or frame job. Possible, but very rare, very risky, and very unlikely. I'd be more prepared to believe in that, if you hadn't completed and utterly overreacted to her claim and went into full counter-attack and discredit mode at the first hint she was going to implicate you.
If AZ is as good as he says he is he should have known what I was doing because it's not that hard to figure, instead he scum pushes me with some forced and weak reason
What is the kool-aid that you and Iso are drinking together back in the scum-cave? Just rabidly OMGUS everyone in sight, fake massive amounts of confidence, and hope it sticks? I yawn in your general direction, sir. And I'm not buying a gambit in response to her claim, if that's your tack. There are only two likely scenarios here.
One, Jenna has identified two players who targeted DV last night, one of which is scum. I'm guessing that is you, based on your going completely nuclear. 50-50 shot at scum at minimum, but the odds of a hit improve drastically after analysis of the players in question.
Two, Jenna is scum running some kind of suicidal gambit and/or frame job. Possible, but very rare, very risky, and very unlikely. I'd be more prepared to believe in that, if you hadn't completed and utterly overreacted to her claim and went into full counter-attack and discredit mode at the first hint she was going to implicate you.
I think you give Jenna too much credit
don't think scum would do that.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
If AZ is as good as he says he is he should have known what I was doing because it's not that hard to figure, instead he scum pushes me with some forced and weak reason
What is the kool-aid that you and Iso are drinking together back in the scum-cave? Just rabidly OMGUS everyone in sight, fake massive amounts of confidence, and hope it sticks? I yawn in your general direction, sir. And I'm not buying a gambit in response to her claim, if that's your tack. There are only two likely scenarios here.
One, Jenna has identified two players who targeted DV last night, one of which is scum. I'm guessing that is you, based on your going completely nuclear. 50-50 shot at scum at minimum, but the odds of a hit improve drastically after analysis of the players in question.
Two, Jenna is scum running some kind of suicidal gambit and/or frame job. Possible, but very rare, very risky, and very unlikely. I'd be more prepared to believe in that, if you hadn't completed and utterly overreacted to her claim and went into full counter-attack and discredit mode at the first hint she was going to implicate you.
I think you give Jenna too much credit
don't think scum would do that.
That's exactly what scum would do because they are scum together.
@Az: Why do you keep specifying that I said that I was a town aligned murderer, but aren't linking that to anything else? I feel like if you're consistantly alluding to that, you'd be wondering why I never said anything at the time that Dawn claimed Vig, nor was really interested in Iso's vig claim either. It's kind of a weird reaction.
@Az/Iso: Is it not even remotely suspicious to either of you, that you both think each other are scum with the same people?I would also like people to answer this question.-_-
Murderer is just flavor, doesn't necessarily mean a killing role. Although, this particular observation of yours makes that a far more likely possibility. You sure you don't want to claim to be the scummy neutral player?
I don't put it past Iso to include 2 scum in his list, but apparently, from the way things are shaping up, I'm rustier than I thought. Or maybe I just need to remember how often I change my reads right before a lynch, provided an actual claim/defense takes place. Didn't really have those fail-safes with Grape.
I've had enough of your role fishing. Stop now and claim your results. I'm deliberately not answering whether to not I visited DV last night because this is me calling BS on Jenna.
Prove your role...
Best defense is a good offense is the mentality I'm seeing with Terry here. Effectively a scum claim. No one else is catching this?
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
Your glory? I was more watching Jenna's steely nerves in the face of your panicked counter-attack with glowing admiration, actually.
But she's not really the watcher. She's trolling the thread and distracting us from being more productive. She's asking the WHOLE GAME to claim their roles!!!!!!! This is not acceptable behavior. She should have been lynched yesterday and if she is town I will not lose any sleep over her flip. Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
We can add misrep and hyperbole to the list of tells you've committed. Asking players whether or not they targeted DV is hardly equivalent to a mass-claim.
I don't understand why a townie would panick and OMGUS the way you have to Jenna merely stating that she was a watcher, who targeted DV. Feeling pretty happy about cutting you from my town list in advance of her claim. Vote is staying right where it is.
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Posts like this, lmao, he has like selective reading, when it comes to only seeing one side of any post lol... in one post he went from likeing Jenna and not liking Terry. Hes preemptive and his tone comes off as manipulative, he sounds like scum trying to sway town to mislynch, is what im trying to get at...
Who else did Azrael try to push last phase? Like even his defense of me, was like jesus, he spent that much time trying to get people to town read me...
LOL I literally had the exactly opposite response reading this. I was nodding along with Az's thoughts. What's funny to me, is that Terry is saying Jenna should just come out and claim and not "rolefish". Yet he also implies that HE knows something... but instead of claiming himself, he instead is waiting for Jenna's info... which is exactly what he is finding her scummy for?
The only way I can see this from town!Terry's eyes is that he is mad that Jenna is trying to rolefish town when he has her dead to rights... but maybe he only has her dead to rights if she slips up. But if that's the case... that's the exact thing Jenna is trying to do? Ugh.
I really want to keep pushing on Jenna, but with posts like #4257 I'm pretty good going after AZ too. Jenna get in here and finish this. There's a chance you can come out of this being town with the right claim, so let's hear it. It's a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
Booyah. LnGrrrR prediction machine worked on this one. Terry still townish.
@Terry, you understand you're waiting for Jenna's claim because there's a chance she might be town... yet you're shading Jenna for doing the exactly same thing? We don't know if she's a straight up watcher after all, so there might be some weird quirk to her role that you're not taking into account.
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Posts like this, lmao, he has like selective reading, when it comes to only seeing one side of any post lol... in one post he went from likeing Jenna and not liking Terry. Hes preemptive and his tone comes off as manipulative, he sounds like scum trying to sway town to mislynch, is what im trying to get at...
Who else did Azrael try to push last phase? Like even his defense of me, was like jesus, he spent that much time trying to get people to town read me...
everyone has their playstyles. can you look beyond that and decipher his mindset? you're known to be paranoid of 'forceful' players and scumread them. is it possible you're scumreading Azrael simply because of his forceful tone? the way you say say preemptive and manipulative sure sounds like that 'forceful' trait you're paranoid of~
No I am not, Logic is a special case, it manages to forceful in a scummy way, you can easily be forceful in a town way, and no that is not why im scum reading Azrael, at least its not all of it. Azrael reminds me of Ruu, more then Logic tho, where he likes to get excited when he thinks he solved the game. I still think Azrael is scummy lmao... and Iso, well I mean they could be scum theater? lmao
if you say Azrael is like Ruu... that means I'm better at reading him than you are lol. I don't think he's like Ruu. Azrael mentioned that he has this crazy playstyle of scumclaiming so if anything..he's more like CP (but with less gambits). I really doubt the lynch theatre is aligned or a bus. one is definitely pushing the other.
out of Azrael and Iso, who do you think is scum? I really doubt they're aligned.
ohh god cp, actually that would be rinto who randomly claimed to be SK, to bait me as mafia... and atm if I was to assume only one of them could be scum, god I want to say Azrael, cause I honestly dont think they are both aligned, but god does Iso have his moments also. I plead the 4th (which literally makes no sense in this context, but w/e)
The 4th? You would like us to issue a warrant to search your home?
Given the activity I'm having a hard time getting a hold of this game. It's moving faster than I'm used to. So I'm only really posting when I have specific thoughts.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'd say Osie since I can't justify him being town in most ways. Like, the fact that he reached out with the neighbor chat was nice, but that's assuming it cost him BP to do it (he could have been lying) and if he was lying then I'm sure he would reach out regardless.
Second... probably Meg/Cythare. He's pretty null to me. I have no opinions on his slot.
Although I think it would be prudent to sort Az or Iso out as well.
I think if I actually HAD the shot to use right this second I'd shoot Cyth right now.
If I could use it later on... Az/Iso.
If you'd asked my yesterday it would have been Osie for sure though.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I love this post from iso, i honestly trust him enough plus my own read on az to say we should just lock a lynch on him.
again how can you like this post by Iso, I dont think this is Dawn's scum game, and thats not gunna change, but how can Iso use the arguement, "I am only one person," when Ive been saying the same thing... lol, I didnt make people switch to grapefruit, and I certainly didnt have a hand in getting people to remove there votes on me.
He doesnt even reference dawn as being scum here wtf? Hes talking about azreal and how people should have followed him on that read.
Why did u vote GF?
Well his quote was about dawn, so I thought id drop it in there. Well ya he wants to lynch Az, but his most seemed more like shade against Dawn... Im willing to follow Iso now at least, and with that I ask, are you gunna waste another day with your vote on Dawn all day. Seriously this is getting old, move your vote to another scum lean plz...
and I scum read GF, because I didnt like his early tunnel on grrr, I didnt like his aggressive tone, and I didnt like how he voted me after saying, "I am never voting last before Dawn"...
tbh I really like ur reads in most games, but right now Im gunna go with my gut and say Tom is scum here, I mean me and you have been wrong/right around 50/50, so Ill take my chances.
Tom has spent most of the day so far, commenting on peoples posts against me, and trying to get people to vote me... lol
Look if Iso is town, I'm town, and Dawn is town... then the lynch yesterday was gunna be a mislynch regardless...
I'm actually thinking Iso is scum lol
as of right now, the only thing I dont like about Iso, is how he went from claiming vigi (yes I know it was a mistake, but who even cc's a vig claim), to being a vengeful, it just feels to convenient
I think the public counterclaim makes sense specifically because he couldn't immediately shoot Dawningbluesky.
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Uhm i use meta quite often, its just flawed which is why its normally just a start for me.
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if you're having the same problem, then you shouldn't pick on me with meta reasons.
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ok, now we're talking. you can agree that Iso/Azrael aren't aligned. does this mean you think Iso is town, even when you think his cc stunt was bad? what makes Azrael scummier than that?
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Had this scenario occur in an IRL game. Player 1 says I'm the cop, player 2 is scum. Player 2 says I'm the cop, player 1 is scum.
Who is more likely to be lying? Player 1, or player 2?
Murderer is just flavor, doesn't necessarily mean a killing role. Although, this particular observation of yours makes that a far more likely possibility. You sure you don't want to claim to be the scummy neutral player?
I don't put it past Iso to include 2 scum in his list, but apparently, from the way things are shaping up, I'm rustier than I thought. Or maybe I just need to remember how often I change my reads right before a lynch, provided an actual claim/defense takes place. Didn't really have those fail-safes with Grape.
Best defense is a good offense is the mentality I'm seeing with Terry here. Effectively a scum claim. No one else is catching this?
Jenna, I'm starting to like you quite a bit.
Your glory? I was more watching Jenna's steely nerves in the face of your panicked counter-attack with glowing admiration, actually.
We can add misrep and hyperbole to the list of tells you've committed. Asking players whether or not they targeted DV is hardly equivalent to a mass-claim.
I don't understand why a townie would panick and OMGUS the way you have to Jenna merely stating that she was a watcher, who targeted DV. Feeling pretty happy about cutting you from my town list in advance of her claim. Vote is staying right where it is.
please explain this post to me. would it come from town?
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Posts like this, lmao, he has like selective reading, when it comes to only seeing one side of any post lol... in one post he went from likeing Jenna and not liking Terry. Hes preemptive and his tone comes off as manipulative, he sounds like scum trying to sway town to mislynch, is what im trying to get at...
Who else did Azrael try to push last phase? Like even his defense of me, was like jesus, he spent that much time trying to get people to town read me...
what does his last point even mean? and where has he caught mafia. also how did I not see this post, its hilarious
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see? lel. mind seeing both sides of the coin now?
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Lmao... I dont know yet if Jenna is lying, and I really hope she spills the beans tmr... but why are you saying Az just claimed scum too? I just thought there were two sides to the coin, and your reaction to Jenna's (slight rolefishing) could come from town as much as scum, and its just weird how he looked past all that and went right to scum.
At least we can both agree that it sounds fake and forced... lol
hmm I wouldnt say Jenna is town just yet, and you know how I feel about Azrael, and I actually want to see those two interact more
if you say Azrael is like Ruu... that means I'm better at reading him than you are lol. I don't think he's like Ruu. Azrael mentioned that he has this crazy playstyle of scumclaiming so if anything..he's more like CP (but with less gambits). I really doubt the lynch theatre is aligned or a bus. one is definitely pushing the other.
out of Azrael and Iso, who do you think is scum? I really doubt they're aligned.
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if you wanna know what to think about them, just question them. waiting for others to interact is really lazy.
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lol
Rinto takes the damn cake tooaside from tonal reads, what do you find scummy about Azrael? Iso tried to cc the vig, so tell me what Azrael has done that can be as bad as that. I wanna see a proper comparison, not just bias.
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you could use direct questioning as an alternative. doesn't look like they'll be interacting anytime soon. if watching interactions is the only way you can scumhunt, shouldn't you be just a spectator?
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I guess I'll add an azrael ISO, a long side my tom ISO, in the upcoming days. Heading off for the night
hmm... you're all over the place
Tom was suspicious to you since that 'omgus' about Jenna/Tom. you actually feel better about Jenna, so that means Tom is scum. you're willing to make a case on Azrael for being forceful, but not Iso who tried to 'cc the vig which is a crime'. ok.... idk what to say lol
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What is the kool-aid that you and Iso are drinking together back in the scum-cave? Just rabidly OMGUS everyone in sight, fake massive amounts of confidence, and hope it sticks? I yawn in your general direction, sir. And I'm not buying a gambit in response to her claim, if that's your tack. There are only two likely scenarios here.
One, Jenna has identified two players who targeted DV last night, one of which is scum. I'm guessing that is you, based on your going completely nuclear. 50-50 shot at scum at minimum, but the odds of a hit improve drastically after analysis of the players in question.
Two, Jenna is scum running some kind of suicidal gambit and/or frame job. Possible, but very rare, very risky, and very unlikely. I'd be more prepared to believe in that, if you hadn't completed and utterly overreacted to her claim and went into full counter-attack and discredit mode at the first hint she was going to implicate you.
mind answering this?
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then again.. I have a great idea! Iso can be tpr and Azrael can be scum, or vice versa. that's twisted lol
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LOL I literally had the exactly opposite response reading this. I was nodding along with Az's thoughts. What's funny to me, is that Terry is saying Jenna should just come out and claim and not "rolefish". Yet he also implies that HE knows something... but instead of claiming himself, he instead is waiting for Jenna's info... which is exactly what he is finding her scummy for?
The only way I can see this from town!Terry's eyes is that he is mad that Jenna is trying to rolefish town when he has her dead to rights... but maybe he only has her dead to rights if she slips up. But if that's the case... that's the exact thing Jenna is trying to do? Ugh.
What about this post is "selective" reading?
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Booyah. LnGrrrR prediction machine worked on this one. Terry still townish.
@Terry, you understand you're waiting for Jenna's claim because there's a chance she might be town... yet you're shading Jenna for doing the exactly same thing? We don't know if she's a straight up watcher after all, so there might be some weird quirk to her role that you're not taking into account.
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Also general lack of free time.
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Second... probably Meg/Cythare. He's pretty null to me. I have no opinions on his slot.
Although I think it would be prudent to sort Az or Iso out as well.
I think if I actually HAD the shot to use right this second I'd shoot Cyth right now.
If I could use it later on... Az/Iso.
If you'd asked my yesterday it would have been Osie for sure though.
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