I suppose Axel could have lied, but I'm town reading him and that combined with the possibility of not betraying the person you're about to murder makes it seem pretty unlikely that he murdered him.
Your analysis is very clearly tainted by your opinions. Whereas I'm finding it surprisingly easy to keep track of this game given the large group.
I suppose Axel could have lied, but I'm town reading him and that combined with the possibility of not betraying the person you're about to murder makes it seem pretty unlikely that he murdered him.
that could've been what he wants us to think... I remember he was pushy about wanting to know whether roleblocking works on the nightkill, or have me lynched otherwise - scum could've wanted to keep the vig to shoot town, but still be unable to stop their kills. the way he reacted to my fullclaim was different from yours, since you calculated how to use the vigshot, but he was concerned about the effectiveness of roleblocking on a nightkill.
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I suppose Axel could have lied, but I'm town reading him and that combined with the possibility of not betraying the person you're about to murder makes it seem pretty unlikely that he murdered him.
Your analysis is very clearly tainted by your opinions. Whereas I'm finding it surprisingly easy to keep track of this game given the large group.
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
she watched DV. how does that click with her question about Axel?
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I suppose Axel could have lied, but I'm town reading him and that combined with the possibility of not betraying the person you're about to murder makes it seem pretty unlikely that he murdered him.
Your analysis is very clearly tainted by your opinions. Whereas I'm finding it surprisingly easy to keep track of this game given the large group.
Is my analysis tainted by my opinion? I should hope so.. because as a town member I don't have any facts besides I'm town. You wouldn't understand.
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
she watched DV. how does that click with her question about Axel?
I don't even understand your question. DV and Axel A/B together. I am of the opinion that if Axel was going to kill DV, he would have betrayed him. Jenna is sitting there saying someone who already claimed is a liar, but waiting for people to claim (that in all definitions is Role Fishing) that are very unlikely to have visited DV or to claim so in the foreseeable future. All Jenna is doing is stalling because she knows I've caught her.
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
she watched DV. how does that click with her question about Axel?
I don't even understand your question. DV and Axel A/B together. I am of the opinion that if Axel was going to kill DV, he would have betrayed him. Jenna is sitting there saying someone who already claimed is a liar, but waiting for people to claim (that in all definitions is Role Fishing) that are very unlikely to have visited DV or to claim so in the foreseeable future. All Jenna is doing is stalling because she knows I've caught her.
ummm... what if the person to visit DV was Axel?
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She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
how was she caught tho? caught doing what?
She's caught fake claiming.
lol if she never claims shes getting this vote, dont worry... and if shes really town, then she isnt gunna jeopardize town prs. But she used her ability and now she wants answers, and shes applying multiple people targeted DV, everyone else that didnt target DV dont have to worry, so whats the problem? If she really is watcher then let her use her role...
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
she watched DV. how does that click with her question about Axel?
I don't even understand your question. DV and Axel A/B together. I am of the opinion that if Axel was going to kill DV, he would have betrayed him. Jenna is sitting there saying someone who already claimed is a liar, but waiting for people to claim (that in all definitions is Role Fishing) that are very unlikely to have visited DV or to claim so in the foreseeable future. All Jenna is doing is stalling because she knows I've caught her.
ummm... what if the person to visit DV was Axel?
She said there was already a liar not including Axel. So if that's true, who do you think would have lied about it? Maybe a murderer? And this is all assuming she's not just lying out of her ears.
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
how was she caught tho? caught doing what?
She's caught fake claiming.
lol if she never claims shes getting this vote, dont worry... and if shes really town, then she isnt gunna jeopardize town prs. But she used her ability and now she wants answers, and shes applying multiple people targeted DV, everyone else that didnt target DV dont have to worry, so whats the problem? If she really is watcher then let her use her role...
But she's not really the watcher. She's trolling the thread and distracting us from being more productive. She's asking the WHOLE GAME to claim their roles!!!!!!! This is not acceptable behavior. She should have been lynched yesterday and if she is town I will not lose any sleep over her flip. Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
she watched DV. how does that click with her question about Axel?
I don't even understand your question. DV and Axel A/B together. I am of the opinion that if Axel was going to kill DV, he would have betrayed him. Jenna is sitting there saying someone who already claimed is a liar, but waiting for people to claim (that in all definitions is Role Fishing) that are very unlikely to have visited DV or to claim so in the foreseeable future. All Jenna is doing is stalling because she knows I've caught her.
ummm... what if the person to visit DV was Axel?
She said there was already a liar not including Axel. So if that's true, who do you think would have lied about it? Maybe a murderer? And this is all assuming she's not just lying out of her ears.
then I see the point of her asking everyone before revealing her role, since she's not sure if it's Axel or someone else. in fact, it could be pro-town to ask such a question. I don't think there's any disadvantage to Jenna's questioning, since not all the visiting roles will have visited DV. we won't be outing any more PRs than what's necessary. if Jenna really is the watcher, we're discarding valuable information now.
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she watched DV. how does that click with her question about Axel?
I don't even understand your question. DV and Axel A/B together. I am of the opinion that if Axel was going to kill DV, he would have betrayed him. Jenna is sitting there saying someone who already claimed is a liar, but waiting for people to claim (that in all definitions is Role Fishing) that are very unlikely to have visited DV or to claim so in the foreseeable future. All Jenna is doing is stalling because she knows I've caught her.
ummm... what if the person to visit DV was Axel?
She said there was already a liar not including Axel. So if that's true, who do you think would have lied about it? Maybe a murderer? And this is all assuming she's not just lying out of her ears.
then I see the point of her asking everyone before revealing her role, since she's not sure if it's Axel or someone else. in fact, it could be pro-town to ask such a question. I don't think there's any disadvantage to Jenna's questioning, since not all the visiting roles will have visited DV. we won't be outing any more PRs than what's necessary. if Jenna really is the watcher, we're discarding valuable information now.
Well, when she claims and I drop the obvious bombshell, we can discuss. Until then... carry on.
Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
Grapefruit should have claimed and that's a fact, he was reviver which was as provable as the vig. claiming investigative roles is much harder to prove, so why would Jenna do that as scum...moreso when we have a cop flip?
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I don't even understand your question. DV and Axel A/B together. I am of the opinion that if Axel was going to kill DV, he would have betrayed him. Jenna is sitting there saying someone who already claimed is a liar, but waiting for people to claim (that in all definitions is Role Fishing) that are very unlikely to have visited DV or to claim so in the foreseeable future. All Jenna is doing is stalling because she knows I've caught her.
ummm... what if the person to visit DV was Axel?
She said there was already a liar not including Axel. So if that's true, who do you think would have lied about it? Maybe a murderer? And this is all assuming she's not just lying out of her ears.
then I see the point of her asking everyone before revealing her role, since she's not sure if it's Axel or someone else. in fact, it could be pro-town to ask such a question. I don't think there's any disadvantage to Jenna's questioning, since not all the visiting roles will have visited DV. we won't be outing any more PRs than what's necessary. if Jenna really is the watcher, we're discarding valuable information now.
Well, when she claims and I drop the obvious bombshell, we can discuss. Until then... carry on.
ok then. I'm sure you're more than capable of tearing your attention away from this distraction called 'Jenna', and focus on better things.
mind telling me your other suspects?
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Just a quick pop-in; still busy until tomorrow evening, but I've glanced at the thread here and there over the past couple days.
@Jenna: Could you just do your whole reveal after solely Axel out of those four responds?
Every time I've looked at the thread, even the shortest glance, has just confirmed my feelings from throughout the game that while some of his reactions feel townie, overall Last is more likely scum than not.
Vote: Lastwhisper
@Cythare: HI T-SWIZZLE! HOPE ALL IS WELL!
@Dawning: What is your read on Jenna and why? Also, can you give non-meta-based objective reasons for why you're townreading Last? Can you give reasons other than fluff or long posts for why you're voting me?
@Jenna: What is your read on me and why? Outside of his interactions with you, can you give me objective reasons for why you're scumreading Terry?
@Dawning/(sorta Terry): Investigative roles that are not alignment-based (i.e. not alignment cop) generally can function as either alignment, and Watcher is certainly no exception. Scum!watcher can declare accurately what their results are without it saying anything about their alignment or the watched. In that vein, what Jenna is doing with asking people to claim their interactions with D_V is doable as either alignment. It can be slightly anti-town in the sense that it can reveal role info, but overall it's not too bad. Alternatively, Jenna could actually be a Voyeur and inherently trying to narrow down her pool. The implication from what she's said though is that she's some sort of watcher, and I don't think it's useful to assume that she's lying about that. It is reasonable to assume that she might be lying about any need to hear what people say they did, or that she might lie about what people did.
Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
Grapefruit should have claimed and that's a fact, he was reviver which was as provable as the vig. claiming investigative roles is much harder to prove, so why would Jenna do that as scum...moreso when we have a cop flip?
I mean I agree and I dont, would you believe a reviver claim? Also 2 inves roles so ok, I mean I wouldnt say I know proper set ups, so I dont know if 3 would be to much...
Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
Grapefruit should have claimed and that's a fact, he was reviver which was as provable as the vig. claiming investigative roles is much harder to prove, so why would Jenna do that as scum...moreso when we have a cop flip?
I mean I agree and I dont, would you believe a reviver claim? Also 2 inves roles so ok, I mean I wouldnt say I know proper set ups, so I dont know if 3 would be to much...
I'm catching up the thread right now. Been away all day.
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@Dawning: What is your read on Jenna and why? Also, can you give non-meta-based objective reasons for why you're townreading Last? Can you give reasons other than fluff or long posts for why you're voting me?
I have Jenna as unknown but more of a townlean after all this. she's bringing up valid reasons to give pause, and it isn't just wine.
as for my read on Last, they aren't meta-based. excerpt:
gamestate analysis is my most reliable form of analysis, the others of which is mostly impressionism.
Last/Terry/Killjoy should all be town for that early D1 tie. all 3 of them gained focus that never actually broke down even after dozens of pages later.
not sure if I have other gamestate reads since I was the main focus.. so that's the most I can determine.
I have you as scumlean for fluff, lack of good posts, since it should not be excused. you scumread Last for the same 'lack of good posts' reasons, so I'm sure you understand.
@Dawning/(sorta Terry): Investigative roles that are not alignment-based (i.e. not alignment cop) generally can function as either alignment, and Watcher is certainly no exception. Scum!watcher can declare accurately what their results are without it saying anything about their alignment or the watched. In that vein, what Jenna is doing with asking people to claim their interactions with D_V is doable as either alignment. It can be slightly anti-town in the sense that it can reveal role info, but overall it's not too bad. Alternatively, Jenna could actually be a Voyeur and inherently trying to narrow down her pool. The implication from what she's said though is that she's some sort of watcher, and I don't think it's useful to assume that she's lying about that. It is reasonable to assume that she might be lying about any need to hear what people say they did, or that she might lie about what people did.
I understand that investigative roles aren't alignment-based. there is as much doubt to be cast on your neighborizer claim. as we gave your claim the benefit of doubt, we should also give Jenna's investigative claim the benefit of doubt.
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Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
Grapefruit should have claimed and that's a fact, he was reviver which was as provable as the vig. claiming investigative roles is much harder to prove, so why would Jenna do that as scum...moreso when we have a cop flip?
I mean I agree and I dont, would you believe a reviver claim? Also 2 inves roles so ok, I mean I wouldnt say I know proper set ups, so I dont know if 3 would be to much...
sounds ok*
reviver claims can be proven. there is never a guarantee of alignment, but it will give them the benefit of doubt. Grapefruit should've outlived you to be honest. I feel he discarded his (game)life for nothing.
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because he would be NK'd? or because I would end up as CFD lynch? I can understand a cop being lynched, since investigative roles cannot be proven, but his claim could be proven.
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@Phraze Last/Terry/Killjoy should all be town for that early D1 tie. all 3 of them gained focus that never actually broke down even after dozens of pages later.
Can you explain this again? I want to better understand how you came to this conclusion.
Just a quick pop-in; still busy until tomorrow evening, but I've glanced at the thread here and there over the past couple days.
@Jenna: Could you just do your whole reveal after solely Axel out of those four responds?
Every time I've looked at the thread, even the shortest glance, has just confirmed my feelings from throughout the game that while some of his reactions feel townie, overall Last is more likely scum than not.
Vote: Lastwhisper
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@Dawning: What is your read on Jenna and why? Also, can you give non-meta-based objective reasons for why you're townreading Last? Can you give reasons other than fluff or long posts for why you're voting me?
@Jenna: What is your read on me and why? Outside of his interactions with you, can you give me objective reasons for why you're scumreading Terry?
@Dawning/(sorta Terry): Investigative roles that are not alignment-based (i.e. not alignment cop) generally can function as either alignment, and Watcher is certainly no exception. Scum!watcher can declare accurately what their results are without it saying anything about their alignment or the watched. In that vein, what Jenna is doing with asking people to claim their interactions with D_V is doable as either alignment. It can be slightly anti-town in the sense that it can reveal role info, but overall it's not too bad. Alternatively, Jenna could actually be a Voyeur and inherently trying to narrow down her pool. The implication from what she's said though is that she's some sort of watcher, and I don't think it's useful to assume that she's lying about that. It is reasonable to assume that she might be lying about any need to hear what people say they did, or that she might lie about what people did.
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Lol. That pop in/pop out, sexy... again being ambiguous, how bout not hiding your reason for voting me, behind a veil of ambiguity... your lynching a man, and all you got is, "I swear every time I come into this thread he looks scummier." What a joke
1) town watcher outing joeterry's buddy
2) town fpsing
3) scum with a weird bus plan
4) scum trying to get two townies lynched over her
2>1/4>3
well if you are town, ur also trying to get two townies lynch :), well actually u didnt really have a hand in Grape's lynch so I cant really say that lol.
I was ok with being lynched day 1, because a mislynch day 1 is sometimes hard to avoid, but I'd rather not take the L on day 2 lol... Im just waiting for that certain something, that I know is gunna happen lol...
@dawn ik i told others this is a bad idea but seeing as how i distrust you
Whats your BP at right now?
You can refuse of course but that just means I wont be unvoting until another opportunity presents itself.
my BP is at 3.
why do you distrust me?
how do you intend to pressure other players without your vote? (your vote is your tool to figure out alignments)
1 big reason going in to day 2
Is gf flipping town
Another is the way you reacted to the fact GF flipped town.
Hench why i said if another oppurtunity presents itself.
Thanks for being cooperative
I would like to know where you wish to move your vote. I've answered your questions and you've agreed that I was cooperative, so I'm sure I'm not your main focus as of now. who else do you wish to pressure? if you still want to focus on me, I'd assume you just wanted to question me to look busy.
I like questioning you because your answers are always so extreme. When did I state I would be changing my vote though, seems my vote is actually doing alot of pressureing.
and can I say something, this may be an unpopular opinion, but when it comes to Tom/Jenna, there is no other option but but W/V or W/W, thats just how I see it
Toms defense of Jenna also throws me off, at this point I think they are W/W and I am ok with this pre flip association. Like I didnt see any good reason for tom to completely town read Jenna and to just assume it was an ez mislynch, plus I did like some of Jennas posts that brought back old stuff, but with that, she still felt kinda lost at times...
Tom/Jenna (I really think they are both Wolves, but if Jenna flips town, I still think Tom could be wolf, also I think Jenna has a claim coming up lol)
this is the blatantest scumming, and should clear me AND jenna forever once whisper flips scum
hes shading us, somehow saying my townread of jenna is what makes her scum? then saying we could both be. then getting scared of her claim and shifting to me. vote: lastwhisper
Been reading this over and over i don't see how LW flip would clear either one of you absed on these 3 posts alone. Also the W/W situation is extremely plausible espically if 1 of you does flip scum. Seems kinda like you just want to point town in direction of LW again.
I planned to ally with whoever I got except you and maybe grrr so i dont get what your point is.
Last never mentioned seeing me as scum so why would he distrust me or even think I wouldnt click ally.
if you planned to do something so dangerous as to Ally with everyone except two players, you should have announced it during Twilight. Jenna posted her list, so she wins over you in that regard.
my point is that you don't have a reason to scumread someone who Betrayed you, since you never notified them if you would Ally with them or not.
WHy not?
Also why would I tell people who I would ally or betray that hinders the actual results lol
if you were willing to take the risk and find out the results, then you should be comparing Last's view of you on D1 with the results - and it matches. for that same reason, shouldn't you be calling Tom out for starting this whole 'Ally/Betray' list..thing?
Why sure I dislike it, but that alone doesnt mean he has to be scum. I just think people will try to lie about *****.
@dawn ik i told others this is a bad idea but seeing as how i distrust you
Whats your BP at right now?
You can refuse of course but that just means I wont be unvoting until another opportunity presents itself.
my BP is at 3.
why do you distrust me?
how do you intend to pressure other players without your vote? (your vote is your tool to figure out alignments)
1 big reason going in to day 2
Is gf flipping town
Another is the way you reacted to the fact GF flipped town.
Hench why i said if another oppurtunity presents itself.
Thanks for being cooperative
the way I reacted to Grapefruit's flip coincides with my behavior even before the flip. I've been frustrated with the town by the 1-week mark. and since when have I not been cooperative? I've been trying to clarify things for a week. thanks for not noticing (or refusing to notice).
I'm sure you have more reasons to distrust me, even before Grapefruit flipped town. do tell.
The fact that you half assed your claim is a reason to not belive you've been cooperative lol.
You were fustrated yep of course the one that pushes the lynch totally has the right to be fustrated over the flipp.
She knows she's caught. If no one else has figured out why, I'm disappointed and if you have figured out why and you're letting me have the glory of roasting her alive... THANK YOU!
she watched DV. how does that click with her question about Axel?
I don't even understand your question. DV and Axel A/B together. I am of the opinion that if Axel was going to kill DV, he would have betrayed him. Jenna is sitting there saying someone who already claimed is a liar, but waiting for people to claim (that in all definitions is Role Fishing) that are very unlikely to have visited DV or to claim so in the foreseeable future. All Jenna is doing is stalling because she knows I've caught her.
But you only have Axelrod's word on that. If Axelrod was part of the plot to kill D_V, what proof is there that he didn't Betray? There is none.
I think I'm ok with a LW lynch. He's kinda NegaDawn in the way that they're both understandably scumread, but Dawn feels like she's trying to... idk. IDK how to describe it.
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly. you shouldn't have problems playing with us if you know our playstyles. I've already laid out mine. if there's any issues regarding playstyles, we should address and clarify them now, before it clouds our judgement later. I've had to do this more than once, with new faces, so it's not uncommon nor will it slow down our pace if we stop to figure playstyles out first. if things still aren't understandable at the end of the Day, then I won't be against his lynch.
and remember, Grapefruit could've easily pushed the lynch onto Last by claim or even his vote (he voted Iso instead of Last) so that means in his eyes Last had high chances of being town. if we're still going to lynch Last without consideration for what a conf town did, that means the town isn't thinking - and I'll be legit laughing.
I dont give 2 *****s about my brothers playstyle, if you do something scummy you will get scum read if you say soemthing weird you will be questioned end of story. ALso you cant expect the entire game to just take your word for his playstyle lol.
@Phraze Last/Terry/Killjoy should all be town for that early D1 tie. all 3 of them gained focus that never actually broke down even after dozens of pages later.
Can you explain this again? I want to better understand how you came to this conclusion.
also why do you town read Tom?
you sure forget a lot lol
scum usually focus on finding faults in the town. the more pressure someone receives, the more likely they're going to make mistakes, and scum will capitalize on that mistake. the scumteam just has to tilt the board in their favor, whenever town tries to move in the right direction. finding fault can seem like scumhunting, but it is more sinister and controlling.
this kind of buildup was what happened since that early D1 tie. the town's focus was heavily shifted towards Last, for being scummy, and Dawn, for fooling around. Killjoy was questioned by Dawn, and his absence was capitalized on - Osie and others noted that he hardly posted in the thread. I think another reason Killjoy was pushed was...his scumread on Osie? that seemed to be the main reason Killjoy was scumread: for scumreading Osie - the D1 tie was just the starting point. the easiest mislynch candidates were Dawn/Last, not Killjoy, which means Killjoy must have been onto something since he was ANYTHING but an easy mislynch.
as for Tom, his thinking process is clear. I don't see any hidden agenda or caution in his actions that are indicative of being scum. he doesn't have that 'sinister and controlling' 'trying to find fault' vibe. I'm pretty sure he's town.
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@dawn ik i told others this is a bad idea but seeing as how i distrust you
Whats your BP at right now?
You can refuse of course but that just means I wont be unvoting until another opportunity presents itself.
my BP is at 3.
why do you distrust me?
how do you intend to pressure other players without your vote? (your vote is your tool to figure out alignments)
1 big reason going in to day 2
Is gf flipping town
Another is the way you reacted to the fact GF flipped town.
Hench why i said if another oppurtunity presents itself.
Thanks for being cooperative
I would like to know where you wish to move your vote. I've answered your questions and you've agreed that I was cooperative, so I'm sure I'm not your main focus as of now. who else do you wish to pressure? if you still want to focus on me, I'd assume you just wanted to question me to look busy.
I like questioning you because your answers are always so extreme. When did I state I would be changing my vote though, seems my vote is actually doing alot of pressureing.
you're questioning me to look busy then. your vote is not accomplishing anything as far as I'm concerned. please tell me who else you wish to focus on? I have not seen any scumhunting from you until now.
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Yeah I'd buy dawning's meta arguments a lot more if shin thought he was town too
but first, I would like to know why you trust Shinichi. he's not been scumhunting, and doing only as much as Megiddo does - which is just churning things before disappearing. mind explaining?
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The fact that you half assed your claim is a reason to not belive you've been cooperative lol.
You were fustrated yep of course the one that pushes the lynch totally has the right to be fustrated over the flipp.
hmmm.. you halfassed your claim too. you actually said your ability cost 0 BP, but it changed into 4 BP. I guess this means you should fullclaim now. you're not being cooperative until you fullclaim. but I have better things to do with my vote than latch on you~
I want to hear your other suspects outside of me. what do you think about Osie? I saw he's in your suspect list.
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@Jenna: Could you just do your whole reveal after solely Axel out of those four responds?
@Jenna: What is your read on me and why? Outside of his interactions with you, can you give me objective reasons for why you're scumreading Terry?
For the sake of not tipping the hand, I ask that they all have a chance to respond. Of course Terry has responded in full, and based on his recent posts, I believe we may be inclined to town-read each other, should specific events unfold as expected. I only hope Terry can remain patient enough to not muddle what has otherwise been a smooth transaction.
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So by ur definition of Powerwolfing then, me being the center attention everyday in an attempt to confuse town, would be the scum powerwolfing? am I wrong? Because I can bet I wont be a lynch again today lmao...
yup. have you noticed how Shinichi strongly suspected you for Betraying him, but wants me lynched instead? couldn't he cut to the chase and lynch you instead~ looks like you're just a decoy, and easier to manipulate than I am.
Nothing has change from Day 1, yet you think I shouldnt be suspecting you how weird.
I've had enough of your role fishing. Stop now and claim your results. I'm deliberately not answering whether to not I visited DV last night because this is me calling BS on Jenna.
I dont give 2 *****s about my brothers playstyle, if you do something scummy you will get scum read if you say soemthing weird you will be questioned end of story. ALso you cant expect the entire game to just take your word for his playstyle lol.
I'm sure you're desperate to find a fault to pin on your own brother, that is why you don't care. it's in town's best interest to take all playstyles into account before making silly mistakes. likewise, nobody can take your word about your alignment or playstyle, so you have as much doubt as the rest of us. are you implying you're better? what gives you the urge to think that?
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like I said Phoenix, just lock in that vote then, I explained why I betrayed, and exactly why i didnt use my ability, and again, in my position, anyone could have lied to get me lynched, because again no body would bat an eye b/c everyone already scum reads me lmao.
1. I didnt town read read Shin per say... so why would I ally him
2. explained why I didnt use my ability, im not trying to hide anything, and I have no reason to prove anything, actually, if I was scum, you would think the smarter choice would be to use my ability on someone, like maybe my partner? but wait, I am not scum, and I have no partners...
3. acting what way? how bout not being ambiguous...
and yes I would rather like for Dawn to step away from me, I dont require her help, and would rather she find scum...
Lastly, she was the one who caught me, but I also accidently scum slipped that game...
Honestly like I said
1.I am your brother morally you knew what I would choose espically against you, so thats literally a load of crap lol.
2.Did you not have town reads? If so why didnt u give those BP?
@phoenix Cause until i saw u stated you betrayed her why would I just believe her lol.
Vote: Osie
not liking the Jenna lynch now. will go with the next best thing.
not against that aorn
you still think whisper is town?
yeah, I still think Last is town. saw his scumgame recently so I have some credentials to back my words. he mainly avoided the thread, or strongly defended himself against possible death. nothing like this.
What you didnt learn is how ineffective meta is i Guess. Now only is that game different, the people are different, the pace is different, the phase length is different. Shall I go on? Meta is ineffective.
Yeah I'd buy dawning's meta arguments a lot more if shin thought he was town too
but first, I would like to know why you trust Shinichi. he's not been scumhunting, and doing only as much as Megiddo does - which is just churning things before disappearing. mind explaining?
i think mentioning shin and megs in the same sentence is a travesty
Nothing has change from Day 1, yet you think I shouldnt be suspecting you how weird.
I do believe the change is that you townread Last, since you chose to Ally with him. coming into D2 and being Betrayed, you actually have a strong scumlean on Last. is that correct? that means Last is your stronger scumread since you've personally witnessed it.
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she watched DV. how does that click with her question about Axel?
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ummm... what if the person to visit DV was Axel?
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then I see the point of her asking everyone before revealing her role, since she's not sure if it's Axel or someone else. in fact, it could be pro-town to ask such a question. I don't think there's any disadvantage to Jenna's questioning, since not all the visiting roles will have visited DV. we won't be outing any more PRs than what's necessary. if Jenna really is the watcher, we're discarding valuable information now.
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mind telling me your other suspects?
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@Jenna: Could you just do your whole reveal after solely Axel out of those four responds?
Every time I've looked at the thread, even the shortest glance, has just confirmed my feelings from throughout the game that while some of his reactions feel townie, overall Last is more likely scum than not.
Vote: Lastwhisper
@Cythare: HI T-SWIZZLE! HOPE ALL IS WELL!
@Dawning: What is your read on Jenna and why? Also, can you give non-meta-based objective reasons for why you're townreading Last? Can you give reasons other than fluff or long posts for why you're voting me?
@Jenna: What is your read on me and why? Outside of his interactions with you, can you give me objective reasons for why you're scumreading Terry?
@Dawning/(sorta Terry): Investigative roles that are not alignment-based (i.e. not alignment cop) generally can function as either alignment, and Watcher is certainly no exception. Scum!watcher can declare accurately what their results are without it saying anything about their alignment or the watched. In that vein, what Jenna is doing with asking people to claim their interactions with D_V is doable as either alignment. It can be slightly anti-town in the sense that it can reveal role info, but overall it's not too bad. Alternatively, Jenna could actually be a Voyeur and inherently trying to narrow down her pool. The implication from what she's said though is that she's some sort of watcher, and I don't think it's useful to assume that she's lying about that. It is reasonable to assume that she might be lying about any need to hear what people say they did, or that she might lie about what people did.
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as for my read on Last, they aren't meta-based. excerpt:link to a list of my old posts, for convenience.
I have you as scumlean for fluff, lack of good posts, since it should not be excused. you scumread Last for the same 'lack of good posts' reasons, so I'm sure you understand.
I understand that investigative roles aren't alignment-based. there is as much doubt to be cast on your neighborizer claim. as we gave your claim the benefit of doubt, we should also give Jenna's investigative claim the benefit of doubt.
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1) town watcher outing joeterry's buddy
2) town fpsing
3) scum with a weird bus plan
4) scum trying to get two townies lynched over her
2>1/4>3
Last/Terry/Killjoy should all be town for that early D1 tie. all 3 of them gained focus that never actually broke down even after dozens of pages later.
Can you explain this again? I want to better understand how you came to this conclusion.
also why do you town read Tom?
also what am I at? L-2? or L-3?
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I like questioning you because your answers are always so extreme. When did I state I would be changing my vote though, seems my vote is actually doing alot of pressureing.
So u dont like the fact she watched the person who died?
What makes it *****?
Been reading this over and over i don't see how LW flip would clear either one of you absed on these 3 posts alone. Also the W/W situation is extremely plausible espically if 1 of you does flip scum. Seems kinda like you just want to point town in direction of LW again.
Why sure I dislike it, but that alone doesnt mean he has to be scum. I just think people will try to lie about *****.
What matches?
The fact that you half assed your claim is a reason to not belive you've been cooperative lol.
You were fustrated yep of course the one that pushes the lynch totally has the right to be fustrated over the flipp.
Dv was approximately a 1 shot cop
Lngrr might have 2 shots
Jenna rounding out the investigative type roles makes an amount of sense
I dont give 2 *****s about my brothers playstyle, if you do something scummy you will get scum read if you say soemthing weird you will be questioned end of story. ALso you cant expect the entire game to just take your word for his playstyle lol.
scum usually focus on finding faults in the town. the more pressure someone receives, the more likely they're going to make mistakes, and scum will capitalize on that mistake. the scumteam just has to tilt the board in their favor, whenever town tries to move in the right direction. finding fault can seem like scumhunting, but it is more sinister and controlling.
this kind of buildup was what happened since that early D1 tie. the town's focus was heavily shifted towards Last, for being scummy, and Dawn, for fooling around. Killjoy was questioned by Dawn, and his absence was capitalized on - Osie and others noted that he hardly posted in the thread. I think another reason Killjoy was pushed was...his scumread on Osie? that seemed to be the main reason Killjoy was scumread: for scumreading Osie - the D1 tie was just the starting point. the easiest mislynch candidates were Dawn/Last, not Killjoy, which means Killjoy must have been onto something since he was ANYTHING but an easy mislynch.
as for Tom, his thinking process is clear. I don't see any hidden agenda or caution in his actions that are indicative of being scum. he doesn't have that 'sinister and controlling' 'trying to find fault' vibe. I'm pretty sure he's town.
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I want to hear your other suspects outside of me. what do you think about Osie? I saw he's in your suspect list.
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Nothing has change from Day 1, yet you think I shouldnt be suspecting you how weird.
Guess you must be scum then
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Honestly like I said
1.I am your brother morally you knew what I would choose espically against you, so thats literally a load of crap lol.
2.Did you not have town reads? If so why didnt u give those BP?
@phoenix Cause until i saw u stated you betrayed her why would I just believe her lol.
Better he asks this way, so people cant try to mudsling.
What you didnt learn is how ineffective meta is i Guess. Now only is that game different, the people are different, the pace is different, the phase length is different. Shall I go on? Meta is ineffective.
I do believe the change is that you townread Last, since you chose to Ally with him. coming into D2 and being Betrayed, you actually have a strong scumlean on Last. is that correct? that means Last is your stronger scumread since you've personally witnessed it.
Be grateful, always."