you did notice he only said it as a figure of speech, right?
claiming mason after a neighborizer appeared is the dumbest move ever.
that was sarcasm lol
The correlation means nothing to me, I honestly don't understand why they cant exist. If it was a figure of speech then it wasnt needed hench its weird that he even mentioned it in the first place.
then why didn't you vote Azrael when he was scumclaiming all those few posts at D1? there's a correlation which you refused to see until it was convenient.
Hmm? Im confused he mentioned all this in day 2 the only information we had day 1 was the existance of a neighborizer.
Azrael was saying he's scum and stuff, until we all scumread him and he explained his 'crazy uncle' playstyle. don't you remember?
@dawn ik i told others this is a bad idea but seeing as how i distrust you
Whats your BP at right now?
You can refuse of course but that just means I wont be unvoting until another opportunity presents itself.
my BP is at 3.
why do you distrust me?
how do you intend to pressure other players without your vote? (your vote is your tool to figure out alignments)
1 big reason going in to day 2
Is gf flipping town
Another is the way you reacted to the fact GF flipped town.
Hench why i said if another oppurtunity presents itself.
Thanks for being cooperative
the way I reacted to Grapefruit's flip coincides with my behavior even before the flip. I've been frustrated with the town by the 1-week mark. and since when have I not been cooperative? I've been trying to clarify things for a week. thanks for not noticing (or refusing to notice).
I'm sure you have more reasons to distrust me, even before Grapefruit flipped town. do tell.
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Hey, besides Az and DBS, who here thinks LW is town, and why?
Az: LW posts emotively which is hardd to fake. Also the same thing he said about Killjoy IIRC.
DBS: Magic reasons.
Its not about the emotion faking its the intention behind them and the situation where its used. I am more inclinded to think he is scum at this point espically with his betrayal of me.
also I betrayed b/c I didnt want to haphazardly give scum BP, so why would give free bp to anyone...
and It was also to see who was paying attnetion to the game. and possibly clear someone. Like Shin is most def cleared to me, so i'll def be returning the favor tmr.
That is bs, holy ***** i want to vote you. That means you thought I was scum, when did you ever scum read me?
Nah your right in a way i would have betrayed you if you were a scum read.
from this it looks like you knew Last would Betray you, because you were his scumread (besides mentioning he would Betray everyone in D1). and you're now saying that Last is suspicious, but you chose to Ally with him because you thought he was town.
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I planned to ally with whoever I got except you and maybe grrr so i dont get what your point is.
Last never mentioned seeing me as scum so why would he distrust me or even think I wouldnt click ally.
i mean I never said you were town? Betray unless proven otherwise
So guess I aint allowed to change reads then? So if I stop scum reading you does that make me scum? IF no then why does scum reading Last on day 2 make me scummy?
I saw no reason to lynch lst on day 1, day 2 is a different story. I also helped that lynch go through so unless you were not having a lynch it was a good thing i voted.
failure to re-evaluate the situation and your reads shows you're trying to be a hindrance to the town. you should re-evaluate the situation at hand, and give reasons why you're changing it, so we can follow through with your thought process. if we don't understand how you think, it'll make it hard for us to gamesolve. you can scumread Dawn/Last but don't let that be your focus, there are more players than just those two.
there was no disadvantage to the D1 lynch since it was on town. we run on a lynch lock, so you can receive towncred for making a lynch go through. just because you helped the lynch doesn't mean you are town, because that is a false hope the lynch lock gives. there is every reason to suspect you, and you should not be off the radar.
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I planned to ally with whoever I got except you and maybe grrr so i dont get what your point is.
Last never mentioned seeing me as scum so why would he distrust me or even think I wouldnt click ally.
if you planned to do something so dangerous as to Ally with everyone except two players, you should have announced it during Twilight. Jenna posted her list, so she wins over you in that regard.
my point is that you don't have a reason to scumread someone who Betrayed you, since you never notified them if you would Ally with them or not.
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The correlation means nothing to me, I honestly don't understand why they cant exist. If it was a figure of speech then it wasnt needed hench its weird that he even mentioned it in the first place.
then why didn't you vote Azrael when he was scumclaiming all those few posts at D1? there's a correlation which you refused to see until it was convenient.
Hmm? Im confused he mentioned all this in day 2 the only information we had day 1 was the existance of a neighborizer.
Azrael was saying he's scum and stuff, until we all scumread him and he explained his 'crazy uncle' playstyle. don't you remember?
I guess I don't
then you should re-read the entire thread before jumping to conclusions. and if you cannot re-read the entire thread, do not post so much.
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and can I say something, this may be an unpopular opinion, but when it comes to Tom/Jenna, there is no other option but but W/V or W/W, thats just how I see it
Toms defense of Jenna also throws me off, at this point I think they are W/W and I am ok with this pre flip association. Like I didnt see any good reason for tom to completely town read Jenna and to just assume it was an ez mislynch, plus I did like some of Jennas posts that brought back old stuff, but with that, she still felt kinda lost at times...
Tom/Jenna (I really think they are both Wolves, but if Jenna flips town, I still think Tom could be wolf, also I think Jenna has a claim coming up lol)
this is the blatantest scumming, and should clear me AND jenna forever once whisper flips scum
hes shading us, somehow saying my townread of jenna is what makes her scum? then saying we could both be. then getting scared of her claim and shifting to me. vote: lastwhisper
I planned to ally with whoever I got except you and maybe grrr so i dont get what your point is.
Last never mentioned seeing me as scum so why would he distrust me or even think I wouldnt click ally.
if you planned to do something so dangerous as to Ally with everyone except two players, you should have announced it during Twilight. Jenna posted her list, so she wins over you in that regard.
my point is that you don't have a reason to scumread someone who Betrayed you, since you never notified them if you would Ally with them or not.
WHy not?
Also why would I tell people who I would ally or betray that hinders the actual results lol
I planned to ally with whoever I got except you and maybe grrr so i dont get what your point is.
Last never mentioned seeing me as scum so why would he distrust me or even think I wouldnt click ally.
if you planned to do something so dangerous as to Ally with everyone except two players, you should have announced it during Twilight. Jenna posted her list, so she wins over you in that regard.
my point is that you don't have a reason to scumread someone who Betrayed you, since you never notified them if you would Ally with them or not.
WHy not?
Also why would I tell people who I would ally or betray that hinders the actual results lol
if you were willing to take the risk and find out the results, then you should be comparing Last's view of you on D1 with the results - and it matches. for that same reason, shouldn't you be calling Tom out for starting this whole 'Ally/Betray' list..thing?
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and can I say something, this may be an unpopular opinion, but when it comes to Tom/Jenna, there is no other option but but W/V or W/W, thats just how I see it
Toms defense of Jenna also throws me off, at this point I think they are W/W and I am ok with this pre flip association. Like I didnt see any good reason for tom to completely town read Jenna and to just assume it was an ez mislynch, plus I did like some of Jennas posts that brought back old stuff, but with that, she still felt kinda lost at times...
Tom/Jenna (I really think they are both Wolves, but if Jenna flips town, I still think Tom could be wolf, also I think Jenna has a claim coming up lol)
this is the blatantest scumming, and should clear me AND jenna forever once whisper flips scum
hes shading us, somehow saying my townread of jenna is what makes her scum? then saying we could both be. then getting scared of her claim and shifting to me. vote: lastwhisper
wowow, people, is this town behavior? this is the most omgus vote, Ive seen so far... u are joking... AND YES, I CAN PRE FLIP ASSOCIATE WHOEVER I WANT... i aint scared of her claim... if Im getting scum read for town reading dawn for no reason then u can get scum read for town reading jenna, you never even gave a decent reason
and again why the hell would i be scared of jenna, i told you I didnt do anything last night... lol, I dont want to match your omgus vote on me with one on you, but that post pissed me off...
and again why the hell would i be scared of jenna, i told you I didnt do anything last night... lol, I dont want to match your omgus vote on me with one on you, but that post pissed me off...
can you talk in a calm and controlled manner? this isn't exactly helping your case ~.~
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and again why the hell would i be scared of jenna, i told you I didnt do anything last night... lol, I dont want to match your omgus vote on me with one on you, but that post pissed me off...
can you talk in a calm and controlled manner? this isn't exactly helping your case ~.~
no did u see that post? are we reading the same post? like no, I am not calm, after that...
@dawn ik i told others this is a bad idea but seeing as how i distrust you
Whats your BP at right now?
You can refuse of course but that just means I wont be unvoting until another opportunity presents itself.
my BP is at 3.
why do you distrust me?
how do you intend to pressure other players without your vote? (your vote is your tool to figure out alignments)
1 big reason going in to day 2
Is gf flipping town
Another is the way you reacted to the fact GF flipped town.
Hench why i said if another oppurtunity presents itself.
Thanks for being cooperative
I would like to know where you wish to move your vote. I've answered your questions and you've agreed that I was cooperative, so I'm sure I'm not your main focus as of now. who else do you wish to pressure? if you still want to focus on me, I'd assume you just wanted to question me to look busy.
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and again why the hell would i be scared of jenna, i told you I didnt do anything last night... lol, I dont want to match your omgus vote on me with one on you, but that post pissed me off...
can you talk in a calm and controlled manner? this isn't exactly helping your case ~.~
no did u see that post? are we reading the same post? like no, I am not calm, after that...
hmmm I'm sure we've seen enough pressure from those 2 weeks that this is nothing. lol~ if town wants to admit defeat to scum, we can't stop em. but yeah, Azrael has Tom on his radar so I have my reservations.
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and can I say something, this may be an unpopular opinion, but when it comes to Tom/Jenna, there is no other option but but W/V or W/W, thats just how I see it
Toms defense of Jenna also throws me off, at this point I think they are W/W and I am ok with this pre flip association. Like I didnt see any good reason for tom to completely town read Jenna and to just assume it was an ez mislynch, plus I did like some of Jennas posts that brought back old stuff, but with that, she still felt kinda lost at times...
Tom/Jenna (I really think they are both Wolves, but if Jenna flips town, I still think Tom could be wolf, also I think Jenna has a claim coming up lol)
this is the blatantest scumming, and should clear me AND jenna forever once whisper flips scum
hes shading us, somehow saying my townread of jenna is what makes her scum? then saying we could both be. then getting scared of her claim and shifting to me. vote: lastwhisper
wowow, people, is this town behavior? this is the most omgus vote, Ive seen so far... u are joking... AND YES, I CAN PRE FLIP ASSOCIATE WHOEVER I WANT... i aint scared of her claim... if Im getting scum read for town reading dawn for no reason then u can get scum read for town reading jenna, you never even gave a decent reason
how the **** is it omgus i caught you yesterday bro
and can I say something, this may be an unpopular opinion, but when it comes to Tom/Jenna, there is no other option but but W/V or W/W, thats just how I see it
Toms defense of Jenna also throws me off, at this point I think they are W/W and I am ok with this pre flip association. Like I didnt see any good reason for tom to completely town read Jenna and to just assume it was an ez mislynch, plus I did like some of Jennas posts that brought back old stuff, but with that, she still felt kinda lost at times...
Tom/Jenna (I really think they are both Wolves, but if Jenna flips town, I still think Tom could be wolf, also I think Jenna has a claim coming up lol)
this is the blatantest scumming, and should clear me AND jenna forever once whisper flips scum
hes shading us, somehow saying my townread of jenna is what makes her scum? then saying we could both be. then getting scared of her claim and shifting to me. vote: lastwhisper
wowow, people, is this town behavior? this is the most omgus vote, Ive seen so far... u are joking... AND YES, I CAN PRE FLIP ASSOCIATE WHOEVER I WANT... i aint scared of her claim... if Im getting scum read for town reading dawn for no reason then u can get scum read for town reading jenna, you never even gave a decent reason
how the **** is it omgus i caught you yesterday bro
scumwhisper scared of watcherjenna confirmed
LOL IM NOT SCARED OF JENNA, I NOT EVEN SCARED OF A LIE DETECTOR...
I am town
I did not visit anyone last night
I betrayed Shin
I did not use my ability last night
I have 6 BP
My ability cost 1 BP
I am the town bp giver...
Pick your poison... none of those will be lies...
and where is this correlation that says im scared of watcher Jenna... if anything you should be looking at Terrys strings of posts...
lol time for a break from this game... be back later, when Tom isnt throwing omgus votes my way... tbh ur day one, was suspecting me, then moving away, then coming back, then moving away, my lynch was ok, then it wasnt, then it was... lol u are all over the place
and can I say something, this may be an unpopular opinion, but when it comes to Tom/Jenna, there is no other option but but W/V or W/W, thats just how I see it
Toms defense of Jenna also throws me off, at this point I think they are W/W and I am ok with this pre flip association. Like I didnt see any good reason for tom to completely town read Jenna and to just assume it was an ez mislynch, plus I did like some of Jennas posts that brought back old stuff, but with that, she still felt kinda lost at times...
Tom/Jenna (I really think they are both Wolves, but if Jenna flips town, I still think Tom could be wolf, also I think Jenna has a claim coming up lol)
this is the blatantest scumming, and should clear me AND jenna forever once whisper flips scum
hes shading us, somehow saying my townread of jenna is what makes her scum? then saying we could both be. then getting scared of her claim and shifting to me. vote: lastwhisper
Agreed. This made no sense, along with the decision to betray.
Vote: Osie
not liking the Jenna lynch now. will go with the next best thing.
not against that aorn
you still think whisper is town?
yeah, I still think Last is town. saw his scumgame recently so I have some credentials to back my words. he mainly avoided the thread, or strongly defended himself against possible death. nothing like this.
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Vote: Osie
not liking the Jenna lynch now. will go with the next best thing.
not against that aorn
you still think whisper is town?
yeah, I still think Last is town. saw his scumgame recently so I have some credentials to back my words. he mainly avoided the thread, or strongly defended himself against possible death. nothing like this.
another thing I noticed during the game we only were [team vs team] and not in a traditional setup... he has a very hard time trying to lie. it's a rather simple but interesting point to my townreading him early, it's not hard to figure out.
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@Terry:...that makes no sense. Why would I ever deny that?
Worlds:
Osie town/me scum: I lie to get Osie killed eventually. Osie says I lied, if Osie ever dies then his towniness is revealed and suddenly I'm a target which is something I don't want.
Osie town/me town: Same result. Except, since I'm not scum... I wouldn't really need to lie. Town only lies for gambits... which is a thing I rarely if ever do. I don't think I've ever gambited as town, actually.
Osie scum/me town: Ok, so this could work out... we probably 1v1. But again I'm unlikely to lie about this as town.
Osie scum/me scum: Potentially? I guess? Would be a risky gambit. Gets at least one of us killed most times, which is obviously really bad for us as early as D2.There's just really no reason to do it.
Thought: I can't see this thought (that I might deny that myself and Osie had a chat) doesn't come from scum. In the world where I'm town, Terry doesn't know that I'm town and have that thought. I'm reasonably sure Terry just... doesn't know that I'm town. Which he would if he was scum.
Ok so the towncircle is Dawn, Shin, Terry.
Pheonix probably town? Thoughts seem solid.
I think I'm ok with a LW lynch. He's kinda NegaDawn in the way that they're both understandably scumread, but Dawn feels like she's trying to... idk. IDK how to describe it.
@Az: Why do you keep specifying that I said that I was a town aligned murderer, but aren't linking that to anything else? I feel like if you're consistantly alluding to that, you'd be wondering why I never said anything at the time that Dawn claimed Vig, nor was really interested in Iso's vig claim either. It's kind of a weird reaction.
Als wheres my Osie towncase? I still feel like I need help coming out of this tunnel.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Terry:...that makes no sense. Why would I ever deny that?
Worlds:
Osie town/me scum: I lie to get Osie killed eventually. Osie says I lied, if Osie ever dies then his towniness is revealed and suddenly I'm a target which is something I don't want.
Osie town/me town: Same result. Except, since I'm not scum... I wouldn't really need to lie. Town only lies for gambits... which is a thing I rarely if ever do. I don't think I've ever gambited as town, actually.
Osie scum/me town: Ok, so this could work out... we probably 1v1. But again I'm unlikely to lie about this as town.
Osie scum/me scum: Potentially? I guess? Would be a risky gambit. Gets at least one of us killed most times, which is obviously really bad for us as early as D2.There's just really no reason to do it.
Thought: I can't see this thought (that I might deny that myself and Osie had a chat) doesn't come from scum. In the world where I'm town, Terry doesn't know that I'm town and have that thought. I'm reasonably sure Terry just... doesn't know that I'm town. Which he would if he was scum.
Ok so the towncircle is Dawn, Shin, Terry.
Pheonix probably town? Thoughts seem solid.
I think I'm ok with a LW lynch. He's kinda NegaDawn in the way that they're both understandably scumread, but Dawn feels like she's trying to... idk. IDK how to describe it.
@Az: Why do you keep specifying that I said that I was a town aligned murderer, but aren't linking that to anything else? I feel like if you're consistantly alluding to that, you'd be wondering why I never said anything at the time that Dawn claimed Vig, nor was really interested in Iso's vig claim either. It's kind of a weird reaction.
Als wheres my Osie towncase? I still feel like I need help coming out of this tunnel.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think I'm ok with a LW lynch. He's kinda NegaDawn in the way that they're both understandably scumread, but Dawn feels like she's trying to... idk. IDK how to describe it.
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly. you shouldn't have problems playing with us if you know our playstyles. I've already laid out mine. if there's any issues regarding playstyles, we should address and clarify them now, before it clouds our judgement later. I've had to do this more than once, with new faces, so it's not uncommon nor will it slow down our pace if we stop to figure playstyles out first. if things still aren't understandable at the end of the Day, then I won't be against his lynch.
and remember, Grapefruit could've easily pushed the lynch onto Last by claim or even his vote (he voted Iso instead of Last) so that means in his eyes Last had high chances of being town. if we're still going to lynch Last without consideration for what a conf town did, that means the town isn't thinking - and I'll be legit laughing.
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I think I'm ok with a LW lynch. He's kinda NegaDawn in the way that they're both understandably scumread, but Dawn feels like she's trying to... idk. IDK how to describe it.
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly. you shouldn't have problems playing with us if you know our playstyles. I've already laid out mine. if there's any issues regarding playstyles, we should address and clarify them now, before it clouds our judgement later. I've had to do this more than once, with new faces, so it's not uncommon nor will it slow down our pace if we stop to figure playstyles out first. if things still aren't understandable at the end of the Day, then I won't be against his lynch.
and remember, Grapefruit could've easily pushed the lynch onto Last by claim or even his vote (he voted Iso instead of Last) so that means in his eyes Last had high chances of being town. if we're still going to lynch Last without consideration for what a conf town did, that means the town isn't thinking - and I'll be legit laughing.
let's be honest here, half the people in this thread just chime in with, "I'm ok with lynching last" expecting what? If scum are trying to save me then they are worse then me... U had a chance to Lynch me yesterday, I didn't pull voodoo magic out of my ass to save my self. If day 2 is gunna be a repeat of day 1. Then plz just lock in those votes so we can move on to better things... And the sad part is I can't even tell if the half that are riding with me are scum or if it's the half that want me lynched or even a mixture...
I think I'm ok with a LW lynch. He's kinda NegaDawn in the way that they're both understandably scumread, but Dawn feels like she's trying to... idk. IDK how to describe it.
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly. you shouldn't have problems playing with us if you know our playstyles. I've already laid out mine. if there's any issues regarding playstyles, we should address and clarify them now, before it clouds our judgement later. I've had to do this more than once, with new faces, so it's not uncommon nor will it slow down our pace if we stop to figure playstyles out first. if things still aren't understandable at the end of the Day, then I won't be against his lynch.
and remember, Grapefruit could've easily pushed the lynch onto Last by claim or even his vote (he voted Iso instead of Last) so that means in his eyes Last had high chances of being town. if we're still going to lynch Last without consideration for what a conf town did, that means the town isn't thinking - and I'll be legit laughing.
let's be honest here, half the people in this thread just chime in with, "I'm ok with lynching last" expecting what? If scum are trying to save me then they are worse then me... U had a chance to Lynch me yesterday, I didn't pull voodoo magic out of my ass to save my self. If day 2 is gunna be a repeat of day 1. Then plz just lock in those votes so we can move on to better things... And the sad part is I can't even tell if the half that are riding with me are scum or if it's the half that want me lynched or even a mixture...
which is why you need to clarify any misunderstandings, and not say "you're scummier than me" to prove any point. these people don't know you, so you should start with the first step of introducing your playstyle properly, before we can continue the game. policy/hate lynches happen since some players never try to be more agreeable. if you want to avoid a policy lynch, which I'm sure you're close to by now, do your best to change any ruined impressions. while everyone has their own way of playing, your playstyle or behavior shouldn't come at the expense of others (or their time).
I'm not a fan of matyrdom, especially if it's to prove your sincerity, since you're useless to us when you're dead. so please be useful while you are alive, and clarify any misunderstandings.
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Your whole deal about my lying about Osie and I talking. Trying to get me to slip etc.
oh right. Sorry, hard to keep organization on mobile. I was thinking if you were scum, your first instinct would be to deny you had any night chat last night, forgetting about the neighbor chat you were most likely offered. Your response didn't incriminate you in my eyes.
I think I'm ok with a LW lynch. He's kinda NegaDawn in the way that they're both understandably scumread, but Dawn feels like she's trying to... idk. IDK how to describe it.
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly. you shouldn't have problems playing with us if you know our playstyles. I've already laid out mine. if there's any issues regarding playstyles, we should address and clarify them now, before it clouds our judgement later. I've had to do this more than once, with new faces, so it's not uncommon nor will it slow down our pace if we stop to figure playstyles out first. if things still aren't understandable at the end of the Day, then I won't be against his lynch.
and remember, Grapefruit could've easily pushed the lynch onto Last by claim or even his vote (he voted Iso instead of Last) so that means in his eyes Last had high chances of being town. if we're still going to lynch Last without consideration for what a conf town did, that means the town isn't thinking - and I'll be legit laughing.
Just because Grape was town doesn't mean he was right, though.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think I'm ok with a LW lynch. He's kinda NegaDawn in the way that they're both understandably scumread, but Dawn feels like she's trying to... idk. IDK how to describe it.
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly. you shouldn't have problems playing with us if you know our playstyles. I've already laid out mine. if there's any issues regarding playstyles, we should address and clarify them now, before it clouds our judgement later. I've had to do this more than once, with new faces, so it's not uncommon nor will it slow down our pace if we stop to figure playstyles out first. if things still aren't understandable at the end of the Day, then I won't be against his lynch.
and remember, Grapefruit could've easily pushed the lynch onto Last by claim or even his vote (he voted Iso instead of Last) so that means in his eyes Last had high chances of being town. if we're still going to lynch Last without consideration for what a conf town did, that means the town isn't thinking - and I'll be legit laughing.
let's be honest here, half the people in this thread just chime in with, "I'm ok with lynching last" expecting what? If scum are trying to save me then they are worse then me... U had a chance to Lynch me yesterday, I didn't pull voodoo magic out of my ass to save my self. If day 2 is gunna be a repeat of day 1. Then plz just lock in those votes so we can move on to better things... And the sad part is I can't even tell if the half that are riding with me are scum or if it's the half that want me lynched or even a mixture...
Then make some reads and push your scum suspects? Complaining about getting voted and threatening OMGUS won't help. You're voting tom, put out a case on him.
let's be honest here, half the people in this thread just chime in with, "I'm ok with lynching last" expecting what? If scum are trying to save me then they are worse then me... U had a chance to Lynch me yesterday, I didn't pull voodoo magic out of my ass to save my self. If day 2 is gunna be a repeat of day 1. Then plz just lock in those votes so we can move on to better things... And the sad part is I can't even tell if the half that are riding with me are scum or if it's the half that want me lynched or even a mixture...
yeah i think youre an equally appealing lynch for your buddies and town alike
Vote: Osie
not liking the Jenna lynch now. will go with the next best thing.
not against that aorn
you still think whisper is town?
yeah, I still think Last is town. saw his scumgame recently so I have some credentials to back my words. he mainly avoided the thread, or strongly defended himself against possible death. nothing like this.
another thing I noticed during the game we only were [team vs team] and not in a traditional setup... he has a very hard time trying to lie. it's a rather simple but interesting point to my townreading him early, it's not hard to figure out.
you mean like slipping he knows iso's role
or... just. being blatantly scum all game
Thank you kindly Killjoy. We are wrapping up but there are still people who haven't even made an appearance today, so I'll reiterate the question again.
@Everyone below: Did you target D_V and if so, what did you do to him?
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I guess I don't
the way I reacted to Grapefruit's flip coincides with my behavior even before the flip. I've been frustrated with the town by the 1-week mark. and since when have I not been cooperative? I've been trying to clarify things for a week. thanks for not noticing (or refusing to notice).
I'm sure you have more reasons to distrust me, even before Grapefruit flipped town. do tell.
Be grateful, always."
Believe me I am not even the least bit worried about that lol
there was no disadvantage to the D1 lynch since it was on town. we run on a lynch lock, so you can receive towncred for making a lynch go through. just because you helped the lynch doesn't mean you are town, because that is a false hope the lynch lock gives. there is every reason to suspect you, and you should not be off the radar.
Be grateful, always."
if you planned to do something so dangerous as to Ally with everyone except two players, you should have announced it during Twilight. Jenna posted her list, so she wins over you in that regard.
my point is that you don't have a reason to scumread someone who Betrayed you, since you never notified them if you would Ally with them or not.
Be grateful, always."
then you should re-read the entire thread before jumping to conclusions. and if you cannot re-read the entire thread, do not post so much.
Be grateful, always."
hes shading us, somehow saying my townread of jenna is what makes her scum? then saying we could both be. then getting scared of her claim and shifting to me.
vote: lastwhisper
it's not my concern if you're worried or not, I'm just saying what I think :3
Be grateful, always."
WHy not?
Also why would I tell people who I would ally or betray that hinders the actual results lol
if you were willing to take the risk and find out the results, then you should be comparing Last's view of you on D1 with the results - and it matches. for that same reason, shouldn't you be calling Tom out for starting this whole 'Ally/Betray' list..thing?
Be grateful, always."
not liking the Jenna lynch now. will go with the next best thing.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
actually ill wait for jenna to explain her posts, vote: Tom
worth letting play out imo
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
scumwhisper scared of watcherjenna confirmed
you still think whisper is town?
I am town
I did not visit anyone last night
I betrayed Shin
I did not use my ability last night
I have 6 BP
My ability cost 1 BP
I am the town bp giver...
Pick your poison... none of those will be lies...
and where is this correlation that says im scared of watcher Jenna... if anything you should be looking at Terrys strings of posts...
lol time for a break from this game... be back later, when Tom isnt throwing omgus votes my way... tbh ur day one, was suspecting me, then moving away, then coming back, then moving away, my lynch was ok, then it wasnt, then it was... lol u are all over the place
yeah, I still think Last is town. saw his scumgame recently so I have some credentials to back my words. he mainly avoided the thread, or strongly defended himself against possible death. nothing like this.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Sigma: Guess you shouldn't pick a fight with a paramedic, then.
Lastwhisper (4): Phoenix-Fire, Kabazame, LnGrrrR, tomsloger
Azrael (3): osieorb18, Iso, Axelrod
dawningbluesky (1): Shinichi
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1): Azrael
osieorb18 (1): dawningbluesky
tomsloger (1): Lastwhisper
Not voting (4): Jenna Tolaria, Megiddo, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Killjoy
With 15 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is Thursday, November 23rd at 11.59 pm EST.
Worlds:
Osie town/me scum: I lie to get Osie killed eventually. Osie says I lied, if Osie ever dies then his towniness is revealed and suddenly I'm a target which is something I don't want.
Osie town/me town: Same result. Except, since I'm not scum... I wouldn't really need to lie. Town only lies for gambits... which is a thing I rarely if ever do. I don't think I've ever gambited as town, actually.
Osie scum/me town: Ok, so this could work out... we probably 1v1. But again I'm unlikely to lie about this as town.
Osie scum/me scum: Potentially? I guess? Would be a risky gambit. Gets at least one of us killed most times, which is obviously really bad for us as early as D2.There's just really no reason to do it.
Thought: I can't see this thought (that I might deny that myself and Osie had a chat) doesn't come from scum. In the world where I'm town, Terry doesn't know that I'm town and have that thought. I'm reasonably sure Terry just... doesn't know that I'm town. Which he would if he was scum.
Ok so the towncircle is Dawn, Shin, Terry.
Pheonix probably town? Thoughts seem solid.
I think I'm ok with a LW lynch. He's kinda NegaDawn in the way that they're both understandably scumread, but Dawn feels like she's trying to... idk. IDK how to describe it.
@Az: Why do you keep specifying that I said that I was a town aligned murderer, but aren't linking that to anything else? I feel like if you're consistantly alluding to that, you'd be wondering why I never said anything at the time that Dawn claimed Vig, nor was really interested in Iso's vig claim either. It's kind of a weird reaction.
Als wheres my Osie towncase? I still feel like I need help coming out of this tunnel.
I'm trying to lay out the groundwork for Last's playstyle, since he's having a hard time expressing himself properly. you shouldn't have problems playing with us if you know our playstyles. I've already laid out mine. if there's any issues regarding playstyles, we should address and clarify them now, before it clouds our judgement later. I've had to do this more than once, with new faces, so it's not uncommon nor will it slow down our pace if we stop to figure playstyles out first. if things still aren't understandable at the end of the Day, then I won't be against his lynch.
and remember, Grapefruit could've easily pushed the lynch onto Last by claim or even his vote (he voted Iso instead of Last) so that means in his eyes Last had high chances of being town. if we're still going to lynch Last without consideration for what a conf town did, that means the town isn't thinking - and I'll be legit laughing.
Be grateful, always."
which is why you need to clarify any misunderstandings, and not say "you're scummier than me" to prove any point. these people don't know you, so you should start with the first step of introducing your playstyle properly, before we can continue the game. policy/hate lynches happen since some players never try to be more agreeable. if you want to avoid a policy lynch, which I'm sure you're close to by now, do your best to change any ruined impressions. while everyone has their own way of playing, your playstyle or behavior shouldn't come at the expense of others (or their time).
I'm not a fan of matyrdom, especially if it's to prove your sincerity, since you're useless to us when you're dead. so please be useful while you are alive, and clarify any misunderstandings.
Be grateful, always."
I'm guessing YOU think he's town?
Then make some reads and push your scum suspects? Complaining about getting voted and threatening OMGUS won't help. You're voting tom, put out a case on him.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
or... just. being blatantly scum all game
how much more trouble can he have?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
@Everyone below: Did you target D_V and if so, what did you do to him?
Phoenix-Fire
Axelrod
Iso
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Kabazame
Megiddo