this is a bit unnerving.. does that hint at scum going to NK him? how do u know that?
along the sides, why do u intend to Ally with me?
This is a real question, not an insult, with all due respect and no offense, BUT do scum where you come from telegraph kills like this?
No sarcastic.
scum have Daychats where I am. we know everything can be discussed in Daychats, so this tends to be a fishing gambit from town. scum try these 'gambits' to look town lol. a lot. idk how it works on this site..could be real..if there's no Daychat here.
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I will be shocked, just due to the unlikelyhood of statistics, but not surprised from game if the three new guy actives, jenna, lw and dbs are scum together.
If I may ask why are you so concerned with defending last? Is very well capable of defending himself and you have spent quite alot defending. The vice versa also applies to him.
As for this post I don't like it, seems more like your deeming something an insult so terry backs off or soemthing.
u should know how I play by now. question answered long time ago.
Don't deflect either reanswer or quote me the post tyvm.
yknow I won't backread lol
I insult and do things to get reactions. the stronger the reaction the better an impression I get for future reference. I'm an ass ik. deal with it.
as for defending Last, ik from meta that he is scummy. and I told u before, I love the challenge of keeping a popular (mis)lynch from being (mis)lynched. my love for a challenge translates into my playstyle in soo many ways :3
but you've never played against scum LW, isn't that what you said?
yes I haven't. that's why I said here and there that I can't read him well. but based off track record, once I get sufficient interaction with someone in any game, ik how to distinguish their town and scum game due to personality and playstyle.
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On DBS not knowing about scum vig as a I played with her recently in a game where it was a possibility (open setup roles randomized) so she should be aware that it can happen.
what game are u referring to? I think u mean Starship Epiphron. the setup there was forewarned to be a bastard game. can't compare with this. I'd assume this is a unique setup, but not a bastard one. can I REMIND u that u were scum in that game?
Why is my alignment in a completed game relevant to the fact that you would be aware of scum vigs?
I didn't realize epihiorn had been announced as bastard. Tried to check but can't open the spoilers to see.
wanted to point out to u that we had different perspectives on the views of scum/town vigs in that one. in other words, I had more trust in the vig to be town than not, u knew such a possibility could save u and kept that thought cemented for future reference. aka, I never actually considered the possibility of a scum vig in the ONLY game I could've considered it.
most of the games in MAL are bastard lol
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@dawn: I was under no obligation or pressure to claim. Calling me scummy because I read my role PM in under 2 seconds on my phone in passing exactly once - when I confirmed to Bur that I received my role PM - until I checked my role PM after I CCed you is...just further proof that you're looking for a reason to OMGUS me for something I'm not even doing. (That's basically what the long string of text you refused to try to read says.) I saw that you claimed Vig because of a post that got reported in here before I caught up to anything else, and I got excited and wanted to lynch you because I thought I was the Vig. I won't humor your attempts to fish for more information on my role because there's no need for me to claim at this point.
And, yuck. I don't even know what to say about this. It's so...sloppy, if it's true. You came into the game having taken all of two seconds to read your role PM, apparently thinking you were a vig. the whole time, and never looked at it again until...after you had already counterclaimed someone.
It's almost too dumb to believe. Because you're not dumb. Plus, that isn't even all of your mistake, apparently.
how is that even OMGUS with my reasons? also, it's FoS atm. like I said, pls give that text to me in bullet points. u insisted I answer ur questions, so I'd appreciate u return the favor. saying I'm trying to fish for ur role when I'm only questioning u for such a stunt is scummy. and it looks like AtE when u say ur excited etc etc.
Any of my questions in my paragraph to you are rhetorical and me explaining why you're scummy and why your attack on me sucks. There's a difference between "I'm too lazy to read this" and "please answer my question".
It's OMGUS because you literally accused me of being scum for pushing you (which I didn't until you claimed Vig when I thought I was the Vig) and for creating your wagon by questioning you (which I didn't do - you're the one whose answers were apparently bad enough to garner the votes of other people who were on the sidelines while I was trying to solve your alignment).
You are fishing for my role because you're asking me how I could mistake my role for that of a Vig. I explained how. Whether or not you choose to accept that answer is entirely on you.
I don't think you know what AtE means if you think me saying, "I was excited because I thought I caught scum claiming my role" is AtE.
how is that even OMGUS with my reasons? also, it's FoS atm. like I said, pls give that text to me in bullet points. u insisted I answer ur questions, so I'd appreciate u return the favor. saying I'm trying to fish for ur role when I'm only questioning u for such a stunt is scummy. and it looks like AtE when u say ur excited etc etc.
Any of my questions in my paragraph to you are rhetorical and me explaining why you're scummy and why your attack on me sucks. There's a difference between "I'm too lazy to read this" and "please answer my question".
It's OMGUS because you literally accused me of being scum for pushing you (which I didn't until you claimed Vig when I thought I was the Vig) and for creating your wagon by questioning you (which I didn't do - you're the one whose answers were apparently bad enough to garner the votes of other people who were on the sidelines while I was trying to solve your alignment).
You are fishing for my role because you're asking me how I could mistake my role for that of a Vig. I explained how. Whether or not you choose to accept that answer is entirely on you.
I don't think you know what AtE means if you think me saying, "I was excited because I thought I caught scum claiming my role" is AtE.
so easy and u still wanna argue over that? what is so hard about returning the favor, and I'm not even questioning u.
I suspected u for claiming to require BP to activate ur abilities, since it clashes with the current claims(Shinichi's vague hints and Osie's Neighborizer), and I'm sure there's smthing telling in BP usage.
the way u also sat back as a wagon built on me, after questioning me, just shows u questioned for the sake of churning up reasons for others to jump on. this is a classic scum tactic, and I'm sure ur capable of keeping up such a defense.
did u want to solve my alignment? don't think so if I was p close to being lynched but still at 'solving stage' for u.
if u wanna insist I'm fishing... I wanna know how u can ever get such an ability that requires so much BP usage, not the role itself. I'm sure BP usage is relevant to sorting alignments, since this setup is well thought out, so I'm sure I'm onto smthing there. why should u avoid it? I have reasons for asking u this question. dodging and saying I'm fishing is just...scummy.
AtE is 'explaining bad actions away by faking emotions', thereby letting u get away with an accusation. I'm not new to that. ur posts overall, in my ISO, was very AtE'ish. stuff like "I'm Iso and what I say is important". saying ur excited to dodge a 'shading and rolefishing' question I ask of u, is p much AtE. I won't overlook u just cuz u let emotions get the best of u in this game. I don't expect such generosity given to me either.
I said I DON'T require BP for my ability activation. You can't say you suspected me for that initially when that didn't even happen until I counterclaimed you. Your sequence of events does not line up, here.
I didn't "sit back as a wagon was built on you". I asked you questions because your posts were scummy as ****. Other people found your answers scummy and voted you. My vote was elsewhere. Again, if you don't like people voting you, don't make scummy posts. I don't see you scrutinizing anybody else that voted you except for Grapefruit...who you are pushing because he voted you.
If I were scum, I'd have gone for the easy push on you rather than just questioning you. There would be no scrutiny my way for doing so because you were gaining votes as a result of my questioning. And then you claimed Vig and I CCed you. What is the scum motivation for putting a target on myself needlessly? What kind of idiot would I have to be to CC a Vig claim as scum? Are you thinking critically about this? Because I don't think you are.
You can't possibly know enough about the setup to make speculations as to my alignment based on the BP requirement for my ability's activation. Don't try to bull***** me.
I feel like as scum, Iso would probably have been more careful than to make an accidental (or fake) counter claim.
Moreover, why would I CC the freaking Vig as scum
then... why did u say its better for town to load u with BP?? I suspected u for that long before ur CC mistake. my ISO on u was before the CC, so...I'm good.
think I told everyone at some point that I look at the ppl on my train, I also looked at the ppl on Last and Terry's trains. u make scummy posts too lol, that's why I'm voting u~ "stop sounding so self-important." can I use that excuse? nope I won't. asking me to 'stop making scummy posts' is rather lame. I'm the gurl here lol
bs u? no I'm just questioning. don't get so worked up <3
Moreover, why would I CC the freaking Vig as scum
okay.... ur just emotional. got it. no offense btw, I'm just trying to figure things out.
@dawn: I'm going to say this one last time, and I'm going to put it in capital letters since you seem to be having difficulty seeing the words in my posts:
I TOLD EVERYONE THAT I SHOULD GET LOADED UP WITH BP BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS THE VIG
Hope it's clear, now!
"I look at the ppl on my train, I also looked at the ppl on Last and Terry's trains."
Okay. But I didn't vote for you, or Terry. Also, you never cited my vote on LW as a reason for suspecting me - so why should I believe you, now, when you're clearly making things up to continue this charade? I don't make scummy posts, because all of my posts come from a town mindset! But that's okay, I don't expect you to be psychic - I just expect you to understand my posts when you read them, which you clearly are not, which is why we're even having this conversation.
I'm not emotional or worked up. I'm incredulous at the insane level at which you have to delude yourself to believe your arguments. I can not fathom the world you live in for this to be your thought process. Which is why I think you're still scum, actually! But if you were actually the Vig, wouldn't you just shoot me instead of trying to push a wagon that's clearly not taking any footing? I mean, really. Your gender is irrelevant, here.
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@Killjoy: Okay, I'm glad we're finally on the same page! Now that you understand what I'm saying, I'll go back and locate what I'm talking about.
DBS actually makes a good point here. Why was Iso saying he wanted to be loaded up with BP at the beginning of the game? Because now he's saying his ability doesn't even cost BP to activate?
Iso's answer here is almost a non-sequitur. "I said I needed to be loaded up with BP when I thought I was the vig." Uh, yeah? Aaaaaaaaaaand? You also mistakenly thought that the vig. ability that you did not actually have cost BP to use? More BP than you started with? Wow, you really misread your role PM in those two seconds, huh?
You are also doing a very WIFOM defense. It's not actually effective for you to argue "why would I do that as scum?" Especially when you insta-retracted it. You could totally do that as scum, and you know it.
Did I say that KJ wasn't scummy? Because if so, I was totally wrong about that. Yikes.
How does Killjoy again evade to me?
An updated list. I'll act in accordance with betray mafia, ally town, as LnGrrrR has demonstrated it as best action.
DV: Betray!!!!
Shinichi: Betray!!!!
BluesEscape: Ally
tomsloger: Ally!!!!
Jenna Tolaria: Ally
lastwhisper: Ally!
Megiddo: Unknown agency
dawningbluesky: Ally!
Iso: Ally with the expectation that he Ally back.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: Betray
Grapefruit21: Ally, I think...
Azrael: Ally!!!
Killjoy: Ally, I think...
LnGrrrR: Ally!
osieorb18: Ally
Phoenix-Fire: Betray!
Axelrod: Betray
Exclamation points denote strength of feelings.
I think I agree with, like, 2 of these reads.
Which is unexpected after jenna saying she trusts me.
I thought virtually the same thing. I have no idea where Jenna is coming from in this game. I am not prepared to call her scum for it, but her having such diametrically opposed reads is just, weird.
And wtf on the "Ally" with Blue Escape. He's not even been here at all. Neither had Megs., but for him at least you said Unknown Agency.
and im not gunna lie about this, I was told by one of the mods that my ability does cost bp, and he explicately said, bp is required for using abilities... is everyone sure they are not reading their abilities wrong?
hmmm context of role words are so vague. ok, I think I can shoot N1, but it'll cost 1 BP. (that "1 BP" sentence was rly confusing....) shoulda asked the host next time gg
And DBS continues to do everything in her power to make me continue to be suspicious of her. For ***** sake. Will you go clarify your freaking role, right now. I'm not asking you to claim it. I want you to 100% understand what it is and how it works. So you can never come back in here again and say "oops, I misread/didn't understand/got confused" again.
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See now your making it hard for me to read you as town even with ur claim, because now your just trying to use OOG reasoning to defend yourself and relatiate against terry.
Also ive misread my own role as town plenty of times, sure its fishy but it no means does it make anyone scum.
I can use any reasoning I want. u are also making it hard for me to read u as town :3
With that logic its quite easy for you to be wrong.
yes I could be wrong. would town try to correct me or lynch me? sorting ppl through that fine line is exhilarating~
If I may ask why are you so concerned with defending last? Is very well capable of defending himself and you have spent quite alot defending. The vice versa also applies to him.
As for this post I don't like it, seems more like your deeming something an insult so terry backs off or soemthing.
u should know how I play by now. question answered long time ago.
Don't deflect either reanswer or quote me the post tyvm.
yknow I won't backread lol
I insult and do things to get reactions. the stronger the reaction the better an impression I get for future reference. I'm an ass ik. deal with it.
as for defending Last, ik from meta that he is scummy. and I told u before, I love the challenge of keeping a popular (mis)lynch from being (mis)lynched. my love for a challenge translates into my playstyle in soo many ways :3
I dont expect you to seeing as how I dont do it often myself.
Insulting to get reactions is more a scum tactic and a town tactic emotional people are easier to mislycnh.
offense taken. the more emotional ppl are the easier I can read them. and for the record, when I am scum I always lead lynches on the less emotional players. why worry?
Like i still want a full claim from her, this soft claim bs is making me worry.
if my role is provable, why do u want a fullclaim? and don't worry I'm not tpr who made u lose the last time lmao. I'm town. I have reasons for not fullclaiming, part meta and part strat. mostly claimed cuz DV reallyyy wanted it. things aren't so interesting anymore if I'm townread :3
before I forget again.. why do u not trust a softclaim but a fullclaim? regardless of how detailed a claim is, it's not trustworthy. do u actually trust a fullclaim? what if it turns out fake? do u rely on claims that much, or are u pr-hunting?
I dont believe that, you claimed for self preservation reasons lol. Soft claim is something scum can hide behind alot, like by saying your a cop or doc for example its just an easy way to say hey you cant kill me haha I am a PR. Atleast with a full claim we can tell if your lieing through youra ctions.
yes, I can selfpreserve. is that wrong? if u are town and have a pr, ofc u would selfpreserve.
I have said it before and I will say it again, even if scum claimed pr I would still give them the benefit of doubt simply for being a potential pr. only if there's a counterclaim or real proof that they are scum, ergo cop check, they should be lynched. want me to quote that post? fullclaims don't help town, and I stand by it.
No of course its not wrong, still curious to why you specifically stated PR as a reason to self preserve any town be it vanilla or PR has an opinion and a vote so either is worth keeping alive. I would not give them the benefit of the doubt based on a soft claim alone espically if they had previously been scummy. Sure if you claimed Cop I would understand, but you claimed a role that just be suicidal to CC if their is a real vigilante he would just shoot you, but vice versa if there aint you have no worries.
I've seen town PRs claim to selfpreserve. never seen VTs claim so far. why help mafia by claiming u aren't a power role? logically, that is illogical.
claiming cop is worse than vig lmao. vigs are disposable and easily provable. if I was any other role, I probably wouldn't have been so rash in my posts.
On DBS not knowing about scum vig as a I played with her recently in a game where it was a possibility (open setup roles randomized) so she should be aware that it can happen.
what game are u referring to? I think u mean Starship Epiphron. the setup there was forewarned to be a bastard game. can't compare with this. I'd assume this is a unique setup, but not a bastard one. can I REMIND u that u were scum in that game?
Why is my alignment in a completed game relevant to the fact that you would be aware of scum vigs?
I didn't realize epihiorn had been announced as bastard. Tried to check but can't open the spoilers to see.
wanted to point out to u that we had different perspectives on the views of scum/town vigs in that one. in other words, I had more trust in the vig to be town than not, u knew such a possibility could save u and kept that thought cemented for future reference. aka, I never actually considered the possibility of a scum vig in the ONLY game I could've considered it.
most of the games in MAL are bastard lol
Why would I as scum who knows there is no possibility of a scum vig be more concerned about it than town who has to worry about that possibility?
Even setting that aside why on earth would you point out the different persepctives that way? I doesn't do anything to alert me to your POV.
Argghhghh... This is so off topic and so unhelpful but it just feels like a scummy thing to do.
and im not gunna lie about this, I was told by one of the mods that my ability does cost bp, and he explicately said, bp is required for using abilities... is everyone sure they are not reading their abilities wrong?
hmmm context of role words are so vague. ok, I think I can shoot N1, but it'll cost 1 BP. (that "1 BP" sentence was rly confusing....) shoulda asked the host next time gg
And DBS continues to do everything in her power to make me continue to be suspicious of her. For ***** sake. Will you go clarify your freaking role, right now. I'm not asking you to claim it. I want you to 100% understand what it is and how it works. So you can never come back in here again and say "oops, I misread/didn't understand/got confused" again.
"And DBS continues to do everything in her power to make me continue to be suspicious of her." I laughed a lot here
u could be town.
fck no I won't clarify my role. it's better this way lol.
On DBS not knowing about scum vig as a I played with her recently in a game where it was a possibility (open setup roles randomized) so she should be aware that it can happen.
what game are u referring to? I think u mean Starship Epiphron. the setup there was forewarned to be a bastard game. can't compare with this. I'd assume this is a unique setup, but not a bastard one. can I REMIND u that u were scum in that game?
Why is my alignment in a completed game relevant to the fact that you would be aware of scum vigs?
I didn't realize epihiorn had been announced as bastard. Tried to check but can't open the spoilers to see.
wanted to point out to u that we had different perspectives on the views of scum/town vigs in that one. in other words, I had more trust in the vig to be town than not, u knew such a possibility could save u and kept that thought cemented for future reference. aka, I never actually considered the possibility of a scum vig in the ONLY game I could've considered it.
most of the games in MAL are bastard lol
Why would I as scum who knows there is no possibility of a scum vig be more concerned about it than town who has to worry about that possibility?
Even setting that aside why on earth would you point out the different persepctives that way? I doesn't do anything to alert me to your POV.
Argghhghh... This is so off topic and so unhelpful but it just feels like a scummy thing to do.
lmao. then why did u even bother to question me on the topic?
I'm saying ur take on the matter is wrong. idk if scum vigs exist, or is even needed. Shinichi was...kind to point out his 'scum vig' was just a delayed extra kill. I have NO experience in scum vigs, but I have seen a tpr vig. maybe u had experience in scum vigs, since u had it running through ur mind while being scum in the game. AND Last was the vig. irony~
scum don't need vigs imo. tpr maybe, since serial killers are common.
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I will be shocked, just due to the unlikelyhood of statistics, but not surprised from game if the three new guy actives, jenna, lw and dbs are scum together.
//chokes on the tea I'm drinking// let's test the theory. lynch Jenna. if she flips scum, lynch me and Last
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@Dawn, how is that quote in any way PR hunting? You posted it yourself and I commented on it. You said you have one main ability, and then the vig. We should definitely NOT activate your main ability until you prove your vig.
KJ, I noted post #520 as being one that made my skin crawl, but there's more. The way he claimed sucked, I can't follow his thought process at all, and it feels like he's virtually winking at town with every post. I'll try to build up a case later if my darned 1 year old will actually sleep more than 3 hours at a time tonight.
I haven't divulged any info on my main ability, only its existence. my 1 BP requirement was the vigshot.
so saying, if anyone chooses to ally with me by the AB game, I WILL consider them as scum.
Ah, you said it only works if you are betrayed the first night, correct? FYI I am allying, so cross your fingers you aren't paired with me.
@Dawn, how is that quote in any way PR hunting? You posted it yourself and I commented on it. You said you have one main ability, and then the vig. We should definitely NOT activate your main ability until you prove your vig.
KJ, I noted post #520 as being one that made my skin crawl, but there's more. The way he claimed sucked, I can't follow his thought process at all, and it feels like he's virtually winking at town with every post. I'll try to build up a case later if my darned 1 year old will actually sleep more than 3 hours at a time tonight.
I haven't divulged any info on my main ability, only its existence. my 1 BP requirement was the vigshot.
so saying, if anyone chooses to ally with me by the AB game, I WILL consider them as scum.
Ah, you said it only works if you are betrayed the first night, correct? FYI I am allying, so cross your fingers you aren't paired with me.
I see. should I vote u?
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@DBS, feel free. After that debacle of a claim, I am not moving my vote. Your argument is that we should keep you alive because it is provable... by Night 4. No, no thanks.
@GF, if all you are going to do this game is come in every 200 posts and type "LnGrrrR is sun, let's lynch", I am sure some sort of boy can be set up to do that for you. You say all I have done is talk about mechanics, but you haven't exactly been the chattiest in this group.
@KJ, children suck. I caught up to this thread over the past hour and a half while my son's bowling ball head rested on my shoulder. Sorry for the wait, but feel free to add that claim and She's insistence that she likes to annoy people but somehow gets offender at someone calling her post garbage.
@Axel, good catch on the Iso thing. I do think DVD and Iso are unsigned. I think Iso is pulling some sort of gambit, but I am willing to bet he is town for now.
@all, am I remembering incorrectly or didn't DBS state she needed someone to betray her on the first Night specifically?
Reading that whole claim and retraction fiasco gave me a headache. Can we all try to post less when we're unsure of our facts? Please?
Anyway LnGrrrR needs to eat the noose. Focusing his entire game on the A/B mechanism and not having the facts right is just too much. I've explained my Iso read several times (good interactions with Axelrod and Az despite the pockety feel and I liked his previous interactions with DBS) with his new interactions with DBS he's way up my town reads.
Kinda surprised people are still confusing the mechanics of the AB game at this point in the game lol.
-That need to want to shoot is one im worried about
-How so? Everyone gets emotional idk what u would gain from forcing that side out of people lol.
-Hmm why are you looking at town like only PR matter, as VT i rather live if it benefits town than allow myself to be mislynched since my vote atleast matters. How so vig isnt the only killing role known to mafia, plenty of ways someone could die during the night. Well I would hope no one would claim cop day 1 lol.
Full uncounterclaims should be given a chance, not a soft claim. Its also not healthy that you only want to live so you can shoot on night 1 potentially causing a mis fire.
and im not gunna lie about this, I was told by one of the mods that my ability does cost bp, and he explicately said, bp is required for using abilities... is everyone sure they are not reading their abilities wrong?
hmmm context of role words are so vague. ok, I think I can shoot N1, but it'll cost 1 BP. (that "1 BP" sentence was rly confusing....) shoulda asked the host next time gg
And DBS continues to do everything in her power to make me continue to be suspicious of her. For ***** sake. Will you go clarify your freaking role, right now. I'm not asking you to claim it. I want you to 100% understand what it is and how it works. So you can never come back in here again and say "oops, I misread/didn't understand/got confused" again.
"And DBS continues to do everything in her power to make me continue to be suspicious of her." I laughed a lot here
u could be town.
fck no I won't clarify my role. it's better this way lol.
Then i cant move my vote, if i dont know what that hidden factor is how can i trust your claim in the slighest?
I will be shocked, just due to the unlikelyhood of statistics, but not surprised from game if the three new guy actives, jenna, lw and dbs are scum together.
//chokes on the tea I'm drinking// let's test the theory. lynch Jenna. if she flips scum, lynch me and Last
Why would we do that, if your scum you would know she would flip town so you would have nothing to worry about -_-
@DBS, feel free. After that debacle of a claim, I am not moving my vote. Your argument is that we should keep you alive because it is provable... by Night 4. No, no thanks.
things were a mess and...I should be able to shoot? ability says "only 1 BP" which can be interpreted in many ways. and...Last said host confirmed that abilities use up BP. that would mean I use up BP by vigshots lol. Betraying me is gonna benefit town either way :3
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@Dawn, how is that quote in any way PR hunting? You posted it yourself and I commented on it. You said you have one main ability, and then the vig. We should definitely NOT activate your main ability until you prove your vig.
KJ, I noted post #520 as being one that made my skin crawl, but there's more. The way he claimed sucked, I can't follow his thought process at all, and it feels like he's virtually winking at town with every post. I'll try to build up a case later if my darned 1 year old will actually sleep more than 3 hours at a time tonight.
I haven't divulged any info on my main ability, only its existence. my 1 BP requirement was the vigshot.
so saying, if anyone chooses to ally with me by the AB game, I WILL consider them as scum.
Ah, you said it only works if you are betrayed the first night, correct? FYI I am allying, so cross your fingers you aren't paired with me.
I see. should I vote u?
No one has to betray you, this just as scummy as LGR plan to have everyone ally, except your basically gonna scum read people that dont betray you how ironic.
@GF, if all you are going to do this game is come in every 200 posts and type "LnGrrrR is sun, let's lynch", I am sure some sort of boy can be set up to do that for you. You say all I have done is talk about mechanics, but you haven't exactly been the chattiest in this group.
I get that persistence is frustrating but I've done a fair bit more than just call you scum. And before you counter with "Yes but I've done more than post about A/B mechanics" yes, but I think most of it has been scummy too hence our impasse.
You're remembering correctly but DBS appears to be intentionally muddying the waters on her claim whenever pressed. Make of that what you will.
Hate to bring up an old topic but those who claim they have more than 3 BP i can actually see it now.
the fact that my role pm states "You" start with instead of "everyone" somewhat comfirms the possibility that different starting AB exists though im still waiting for the first results before i let any of this ifnromation effect my reads.
Hate to bring up an old topic but those who claim they have more than 3 BP i can actually see it now.
the fact that my role pm states "You" start with instead of "everyone" somewhat comfirms the possibility that different starting AB exists though im still waiting for the first results before i let any of this ifnromation effect my reads.
-That need to want to shoot is one im worried about
-How so? Everyone gets emotional idk what u would gain from forcing that side out of people lol.
-Hmm why are you looking at town like only PR matter, as VT i rather live if it benefits town than allow myself to be mislynched since my vote atleast matters. How so vig isnt the only killing role known to mafia, plenty of ways someone could die during the night. Well I would hope no one would claim cop day 1 lol.
Full uncounterclaims should be given a chance, not a soft claim. Its also not healthy that you only want to live so you can shoot on night 1 potentially causing a mis fire.
??? .... srsly?
- if I got emotional, does that make me scum? ur saying as if other ppl are more emotional than me. gg
- u admit it. why would I claim if I was cop? why did u say u would trust my claim if I claimed cop? ur just wanting to out the real cop at this point. or beating a dead horse. VTs don't fullclaim, I've done it in that game I linked and it got me far.
- healthy choice or not is subjective and very offgame. keep that opinion to urself. the chances of misfiring is low when we have this much information. holding off the vigshot when they claimed under pressure of being the lead wagon is only going to hinder town.
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and im not gunna lie about this, I was told by one of the mods that my ability does cost bp, and he explicately said, bp is required for using abilities... is everyone sure they are not reading their abilities wrong?
hmmm context of role words are so vague. ok, I think I can shoot N1, but it'll cost 1 BP. (that "1 BP" sentence was rly confusing....) shoulda asked the host next time gg
And DBS continues to do everything in her power to make me continue to be suspicious of her. For ***** sake. Will you go clarify your freaking role, right now. I'm not asking you to claim it. I want you to 100% understand what it is and how it works. So you can never come back in here again and say "oops, I misread/didn't understand/got confused" again.
"And DBS continues to do everything in her power to make me continue to be suspicious of her." I laughed a lot here
u could be town.
fck no I won't clarify my role. it's better this way lol.
Then i cant move my vote, if i dont know what that hidden factor is how can i trust your claim in the slighest?
fullclaiming on D1 isn't happening. get over it and that dead horse~
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I'm slightly confused on people's thoughts on the AB game, so I'll throw my two cents in the ring here.
Firstly, Ally/Betray choices should be the first thing the mod posts at beginning of Day. I believe that was said, but I think people are still assuming that they're private? In the game, literally, the first thing the players do after the AB game is walk over to a scoreboard that tells them who allied and who betrayed whom. I do not believe it will be possible to lie about your choice. I also think that LnGrrR's(? I think it was his) thought that scum will just Ally each other relentlessly is incorrect in that way.
Secondly, I do not believe Betray is automatically a scumtell in any sense. Betray is the defensive option that keeps you from dying from BP loss. This is pretty much going to be impossible from the first AB game, and everyone should be able to survive a single Betrayal (FTR I don't believe Az when he says he's gonna die from one Betrayal. I think he's just doing that to make sure people don't Betray N1 and to give him license to infinitely Betray everyone "to avoid death").
Thirdly, I fully advocate for justifying your choices. Obviously, that's one of the major mechanical ways we might catch scum this game.
(probs my 2nd or 3rd time interacting with u..)
at first I thought abilities use up BP, but guess it was wrong?
my vig ability activates at exactly 1 BP, and I have 4 BP atm, meaning I will need someone to Betray while I Ally in the next AB game - after which I will have to keep betraying to keep my vigshot active. scum could decide to keep my vigshot active and misdirect me to shoot scum, and win the game early, so I'm trying to figure out alignments as actively as I can. I'd assume that abilities doesn't consume BP, or else I would be dead by the time I use a vigshot at exactly 1 BP.
I'm aware of the AB results being posted up each Day.
if anyone chooses to Ally with me, at any point in the game, they will be a scumread for me unfortunately. I need to be Betrayed while I Ally once, anything later should stay as Betray for both sides - keeping me at exactly 1 BP.
now my suspicion of some players..
I'm wary of scum actually requiring BP to activate their abilities. anyone paired up with me in the 1st AB game will gain a huge advantage from a 3 BP boost. scum might also choose to Ally with me later on, while I Betray, increasing my BP by 3 and nullifying my vigshot.
what I wanna know is, would scum and/or town want to keep my vigshot active?
If I'm reading this correctly I think your math is off. If you have 4 BP, and you need EXACTLY 1 BP to fire, you need to be betrayed 3 times (-1 BP each), so you can't even possibly fire until Night 4? Please confirm this is how your role works.
ok... my reading is off lmao. I read it as -3/+1. kek
I guess that means we can sort ppl out until N4. and a huge advantage for whoever gains 3 BP during those Nights. I need exactly 1 BP to fire.
Wow. And you were pushing ISO for not reading their role!? Not only did you not read your role, you claimed prematurely, then you go after ISO for doing the same... all because you didn't read your role or the mechanics properly, you changed it from saying it COSTS 1 BP, to it not costing anything because you need EXACTLY 1 BP to fire. This is a royal mess. Your role is NOT provable until NIGHT 4! There's no way I'm going into Day 2 with both you and LW alive. You have had LW's back at every opportunity and you botched your claim timing, fudged your roll rules, I'm having a hard time looking at anyone today besides you and LW. This is just too much.
Feels very agenda oriented. It's scummy for you to do it, but here I go.
If I can get over the hurdle of reading all of Killjoy's lightyear-long posts (Karmic justice, I know), then I should be chugging with gas on this reread...
And I can catch up on the more recent posts as well. Not very happy with some of what I took a quick glance at, but we'll see. If I were to make a quick guess (which albeit is significantly lower on information than ideal, so take this with a grain of salt), I think we're wasting time on Dawning and Last at the moment (and I think at least one of them is very happy about that), and while keeping them in scumleans/scumreads is not the worst idea, we should be thinking about other people more closely.
@DBS, feel free. After that debacle of a claim, I am not moving my vote. Your argument is that we should keep you alive because it is provable... by Night 4. No, no thanks.
things were a mess and...I should be able to shoot? ability says "only 1 BP" which can be interpreted in many ways. and...Last said host confirmed that abilities use up BP. that would mean I use up BP by vigshots lol. Betraying me is gonna benefit town either way :3
So it writes it out? It doesn't have a BP cost listed in parentheses?
(probs my 2nd or 3rd time interacting with u..)
at first I thought abilities use up BP, but guess it was wrong?
my vig ability activates at exactly 1 BP, and I have 4 BP atm, meaning I will need someone to Betray while I Ally in the next AB game - after which I will have to keep betraying to keep my vigshot active. scum could decide to keep my vigshot active and misdirect me to shoot scum, and win the game early, so I'm trying to figure out alignments as actively as I can. I'd assume that abilities doesn't consume BP, or else I would be dead by the time I use a vigshot at exactly 1 BP.
I'm aware of the AB results being posted up each Day.
if anyone chooses to Ally with me, at any point in the game, they will be a scumread for me unfortunately. I need to be Betrayed while I Ally once, anything later should stay as Betray for both sides - keeping me at exactly 1 BP.
now my suspicion of some players..
I'm wary of scum actually requiring BP to activate their abilities. anyone paired up with me in the 1st AB game will gain a huge advantage from a 3 BP boost. scum might also choose to Ally with me later on, while I Betray, increasing my BP by 3 and nullifying my vigshot.
what I wanna know is, would scum and/or town want to keep my vigshot active?
If I'm reading this correctly I think your math is off. If you have 4 BP, and you need EXACTLY 1 BP to fire, you need to be betrayed 3 times (-1 BP each), so you can't even possibly fire until Night 4? Please confirm this is how your role works.
ok... my reading is off lmao. I read it as -3/+1. kek
I guess that means we can sort ppl out until N4. and a huge advantage for whoever gains 3 BP during those Nights. I need exactly 1 BP to fire.
Wow. And you were pushing ISO for not reading their role!? Not only did you not read your role, you claimed prematurely, then you go after ISO for doing the same... all because you didn't read your role or the mechanics properly, you changed it from saying it COSTS 1 BP, to it not costing anything because you need EXACTLY 1 BP to fire. This is a royal mess. Your role is NOT provable until NIGHT 4! There's no way I'm going into Day 2 with both you and LW alive. You have had LW's back at every opportunity and you botched your claim timing, fudged your roll rules, I'm having a hard time looking at anyone today besides you and LW. This is just too much.
Feels very agenda oriented. It's scummy for you to do it, but here I go.
I'm surprised you find this scummy, I'm calling out a contridiction by DBS. I don't see how thats agenda oriented.
*Yawn* Bed for now, continuing in the morning, hopefully without as many interruptions as today.
Again on a quick glance and based on my memory of the game as it's been, I'd probably be down for a LnGrrrR D1 Lynch. He's next in my rereads after I finish with *Sigh* Killjoy, and unless something leaps out at me, while I will be going in with an open mind, I'm expecting at least a scumlean, maybe even a scumread.
DV: Betray!!!!
Shinichi: I stopped reading at her first post. So I don't know yet.
BluesEscape: Ally
tomsloger: Ally
Jenna Tolaria: Ally
lastwhisper: Ally
Megiddo: Unknown agency
dawningbluesky: Ally
Iso: Ally with the expectation that he Ally back.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: Betray
Grapefruit21: Ally, I think...
Azrael: Ally!!!
Killjoy: Ally, I think...
LnGrrrR: Ally
osieorb18: Betray, I think...
Phoenix-Fire: Ally
Axelrod: Betray
Azrael saw the two sections of posts that made me distrust D_V; dawningbluesky and LastWhisper appear to be as new and innocent as I; Tom had the same thought as me with Ally town and Betray mafia, I have not seen Megiddo, and Shinichi should come soon. Iso is a strong trust, as he understands how unlikely it is to ever be able to use our abilities, though my trust extends only if he chooses Ally as well. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry said a thing that didn't follow previous sentiments and Azrael pointed it out as well.
Killjoy and Grapefruit seem okay so far, Odie does not. Nothing solid here.
LnGrrrR and Phoenix said minor things that I agree with. Axelrod did not, and has not.
The strength axis of this analysis appears to be the vertical.
Welcome to the Fray. Well I disagree with you on DV, you explained it well enough. Can you expand on a couple reads you have here, namely:
Me - I don't get what you mean by saying a thing that didn't follow previous sentiments? If you don't get something I say, ask me.
Last Whisper - Because they appear new and innocent you choose to trust them. I feel like someone being new makes them easier to read.
DBS - See above
Axelrod - What don't you agree with?
DV - What did Azrael say about DV that made you distrust him?
Just for posterity, this is the full unedited quote that Jenna just snipped. Notice how I asked her to expand on DV?
So being new correlates to being easy to read, and hence obvious scummy posts indicate they are scum...
I feel like this shouldn't be as straight forward, but with that I can't say that Jenna hasn't made some unnecessary scummy posts.
But now it feels like all the new players are scum? The reasoning behinds these reads just lead to a overall bad tunnel, which mafia can easily manipulate.
Lastly just from my alignment a lone the correlation is wrong. If I'm ez to read b/c I'm new, and your conclusion is I have to be scum, then your hypothesis is wrong.
And I'd rather not be compared with jenna, someone who stated that shinichi wouldn't live for long... Again the tone is hard to read and it doesn't sound like sarcasm, but other people have made blatantly scum posts under the rooze of being a joke... But they aren't being pushed cause it was obvious they we're joking? Just saying scum could easily use that, and I'm def not saying everyone that makes those kind of jokes must be scum. Maybe some of you should branch out a little from the obvious scum tells? Just a thought..
DV: Betray!!!!
Shinichi: I stopped reading at her first post. So I don't know yet.
BluesEscape: Ally
tomsloger: Ally
Jenna Tolaria: Ally
lastwhisper: Ally
Megiddo: Unknown agency
dawningbluesky: Ally
Iso: Ally with the expectation that he Ally back.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: Betray
Grapefruit21: Ally, I think...
Azrael: Ally!!!
Killjoy: Ally, I think...
LnGrrrR: Ally
osieorb18: Betray, I think...
Phoenix-Fire: Ally
Axelrod: Betray
Azrael saw the two sections of posts that made me distrust D_V; dawningbluesky and LastWhisper appear to be as new and innocent as I; Tom had the same thought as me with Ally town and Betray mafia, I have not seen Megiddo, and Shinichi should come soon. Iso is a strong trust, as he understands how unlikely it is to ever be able to use our abilities, though my trust extends only if he chooses Ally as well. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry said a thing that didn't follow previous sentiments and Azrael pointed it out as well.
Killjoy and Grapefruit seem okay so far, Odie does not. Nothing solid here.
LnGrrrR and Phoenix said minor things that I agree with. Axelrod did not, and has not.
The strength axis of this analysis appears to be the vertical.
Welcome to the Fray. Well I disagree with you on DV, you explained it well enough. Can you expand on a couple reads you have here, namely:
Me - I don't get what you mean by saying a thing that didn't follow previous sentiments? If you don't get something I say, ask me.
Last Whisper - Because they appear new and innocent you choose to trust them. I feel like someone being new makes them easier to read.
DBS - See above
Axelrod - What don't you agree with?
DV - What did Azrael say about DV that made you distrust him?
Just for posterity, this is the full unedited quote that Jenna just snipped. Notice how I asked her to expand on DV?
So you did. Why say I explained it well enough, then?
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most of the games in MAL are bastard lol
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And, yuck. I don't even know what to say about this. It's so...sloppy, if it's true. You came into the game having taken all of two seconds to read your role PM, apparently thinking you were a vig. the whole time, and never looked at it again until...after you had already counterclaimed someone.
It's almost too dumb to believe. Because you're not dumb. Plus, that isn't even all of your mistake, apparently.
DBS actually makes a good point here. Why was Iso saying he wanted to be loaded up with BP at the beginning of the game? Because now he's saying his ability doesn't even cost BP to activate?
Iso's answer here is almost a non-sequitur. "I said I needed to be loaded up with BP when I thought I was the vig." Uh, yeah? Aaaaaaaaaaand? You also mistakenly thought that the vig. ability that you did not actually have cost BP to use? More BP than you started with? Wow, you really misread your role PM in those two seconds, huh?
You are also doing a very WIFOM defense. It's not actually effective for you to argue "why would I do that as scum?" Especially when you insta-retracted it. You could totally do that as scum, and you know it.
I thought virtually the same thing. I have no idea where Jenna is coming from in this game. I am not prepared to call her scum for it, but her having such diametrically opposed reads is just, weird.
And wtf on the "Ally" with Blue Escape. He's not even been here at all. Neither had Megs., but for him at least you said Unknown Agency.
And DBS continues to do everything in her power to make me continue to be suspicious of her. For ***** sake. Will you go clarify your freaking role, right now. I'm not asking you to claim it. I want you to 100% understand what it is and how it works. So you can never come back in here again and say "oops, I misread/didn't understand/got confused" again.
offense taken. the more emotional ppl are the easier I can read them. and for the record, when I am scum I always lead lynches on the less emotional players. why worry?
I've seen town PRs claim to selfpreserve. never seen VTs claim so far. why help mafia by claiming u aren't a power role? logically, that is illogical.
claiming cop is worse than vig lmao. vigs are disposable and easily provable. if I was any other role, I probably wouldn't have been so rash in my posts.
dug up my reference, on claimed PRs:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1662537&show=1900#msg52325706
EoD lynch was on a claimed town pr. its a town pr, no matter how fake he shouldnt be voted.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1662537&show=2000#msg52337750
actually coincides with my former reasons. claimed town pr should be given a chance.
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Why would I as scum who knows there is no possibility of a scum vig be more concerned about it than town who has to worry about that possibility?
Even setting that aside why on earth would you point out the different persepctives that way? I doesn't do anything to alert me to your POV.
Argghhghh... This is so off topic and so unhelpful but it just feels like a scummy thing to do.
u could be town.
fck no I won't clarify my role. it's better this way lol.
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I'm saying ur take on the matter is wrong. idk if scum vigs exist, or is even needed. Shinichi was...kind to point out his 'scum vig' was just a delayed extra kill. I have NO experience in scum vigs, but I have seen a tpr vig. maybe u had experience in scum vigs, since u had it running through ur mind while being scum in the game. AND Last was the vig. irony~
scum don't need vigs imo. tpr maybe, since serial killers are common.
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Kabazame has replaced BluesEclipse.
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Ah, you said it only works if you are betrayed the first night, correct? FYI I am allying, so cross your fingers you aren't paired with me.
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Welcome! Good luck sorting through 26 pages of D1.
@GF, if all you are going to do this game is come in every 200 posts and type "LnGrrrR is sun, let's lynch", I am sure some sort of boy can be set up to do that for you. You say all I have done is talk about mechanics, but you haven't exactly been the chattiest in this group.
@KJ, children suck. I caught up to this thread over the past hour and a half while my son's bowling ball head rested on my shoulder. Sorry for the wait, but feel free to add that claim and She's insistence that she likes to annoy people but somehow gets offender at someone calling her post garbage.
@Axel, good catch on the Iso thing. I do think DVD and Iso are unsigned. I think Iso is pulling some sort of gambit, but I am willing to bet he is town for now.
@all, am I remembering incorrectly or didn't DBS state she needed someone to betray her on the first Night specifically?
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Kinda surprised people are still confusing the mechanics of the AB game at this point in the game lol.
-That need to want to shoot is one im worried about
-How so? Everyone gets emotional idk what u would gain from forcing that side out of people lol.
-Hmm why are you looking at town like only PR matter, as VT i rather live if it benefits town than allow myself to be mislynched since my vote atleast matters. How so vig isnt the only killing role known to mafia, plenty of ways someone could die during the night. Well I would hope no one would claim cop day 1 lol.
Full uncounterclaims should be given a chance, not a soft claim. Its also not healthy that you only want to live so you can shoot on night 1 potentially causing a mis fire.
Then i cant move my vote, if i dont know what that hidden factor is how can i trust your claim in the slighest?
Why would we do that, if your scum you would know she would flip town so you would have nothing to worry about -_-
I'm kinda sure LnG is town.. vvvv
things were a mess and...I should be able to shoot? ability says "only 1 BP" which can be interpreted in many ways. and...Last said host confirmed that abilities use up BP. that would mean I use up BP by vigshots lol. Betraying me is gonna benefit town either way :3
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No one has to betray you, this just as scummy as LGR plan to have everyone ally, except your basically gonna scum read people that dont betray you how ironic.
I get that persistence is frustrating but I've done a fair bit more than just call you scum. And before you counter with "Yes but I've done more than post about A/B mechanics" yes, but I think most of it has been scummy too hence our impasse.
You're remembering correctly but DBS appears to be intentionally muddying the waters on her claim whenever pressed. Make of that what you will.
the fact that my role pm states "You" start with instead of "everyone" somewhat comfirms the possibility that different starting AB exists though im still waiting for the first results before i let any of this ifnromation effect my reads.
first ab* results
- if I got emotional, does that make me scum? ur saying as if other ppl are more emotional than me. gg
- u admit it. why would I claim if I was cop? why did u say u would trust my claim if I claimed cop? ur just wanting to out the real cop at this point. or beating a dead horse. VTs don't fullclaim, I've done it in that game I linked and it got me far.
- healthy choice or not is subjective and very offgame. keep that opinion to urself. the chances of misfiring is low when we have this much information. holding off the vigshot when they claimed under pressure of being the lead wagon is only going to hinder town.
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To this:
Feels very agenda oriented. It's scummy for you to do it, but here I go.
If I can get over the hurdle of reading all of Killjoy's lightyear-long posts (Karmic justice, I know), then I should be chugging with gas on this reread...
And I can catch up on the more recent posts as well. Not very happy with some of what I took a quick glance at, but we'll see. If I were to make a quick guess (which albeit is significantly lower on information than ideal, so take this with a grain of salt), I think we're wasting time on Dawning and Last at the moment (and I think at least one of them is very happy about that), and while keeping them in scumleans/scumreads is not the worst idea, we should be thinking about other people more closely.
For the moment, Unvote while I reread people.
Again on a quick glance and based on my memory of the game as it's been, I'd probably be down for a LnGrrrR D1 Lynch. He's next in my rereads after I finish with *Sigh* Killjoy, and unless something leaps out at me, while I will be going in with an open mind, I'm expecting at least a scumlean, maybe even a scumread.
Did I really?
I feel like this shouldn't be as straight forward, but with that I can't say that Jenna hasn't made some unnecessary scummy posts.
But now it feels like all the new players are scum? The reasoning behinds these reads just lead to a overall bad tunnel, which mafia can easily manipulate.
Lastly just from my alignment a lone the correlation is wrong. If I'm ez to read b/c I'm new, and your conclusion is I have to be scum, then your hypothesis is wrong.