KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
The rest of the claims clearly show case multiple abilities do they not?
Last is clearly hiding something.
Sure the rest havent posted everything about their abilities.
you were surprised when I mentioned a 2nd ability, proof that you only have 1 ability. Osie/LnG/Last/Iso all mentioned only 1 ability. I'm the only one who said I have 2 abilities and claimed what they were.
Last isn't the only one hiding something, if you are trying to establish the fact.
I have more than 1 ability just saying.
ehh ok. you can't expect Last to claim when you haven't done so yourself -.-
Why would i randomly claim an hour before EOD? THat would just cause unnecessary confusion.
WHICH WAS WHY I CLAIMED EARLY!!
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@DBS I believe both you and Iso aren't scum. I'm not going to speculate on which is more plausible because for the time being I'm accepting both a true.
@Terry LW claimed moving BP. I agree with you on Iso largely but I know I'm town and we don't have the votes for Wisp.
1) Grapefruit, who I haven't seen be particularly scummy myself, but AZ made some good points in that case he recently did. However, he's refusing to claim, which I find town in a way. I feel like scum use their claims as a crutch.
2) ISO, who has claimed vengeful town needing 7 BP to go off. He'll never get thete. However I think he town slipped when he botched his cc and retracted it. The only way I will lunch him is if there is no other choice.
3) LW, the vig role blocker who I pinned as scum from the start of the day and completely botched his claim, contradicted himself over and over, blatant buddying with DBS and Jenna, who has proven to be distracting, inefficient at scum hunting, parroting votes, used his claim as a crutch, jumped the gun on his claim, didn't read or understand his role at best, made it up at worst.
1. I've refused to claim as scum before: 1 time was because I was vengeful. 1 time because the setup was a no-reveal. 2 out of 3 times I didn't claim before a lynch. of course, I didn't have to claim the 3rd time since I wasn't near being lynched.
2. I'm starting to think Iso could be tpr. would explain his 'wet noodle' behavior.
3. I was the one who claimed vig + rb lol. Last only claimed Town BP Giver.
honestly if your town an refuse to claim in a no reveal setup ur hands down game throwing lmfaoo.
2. I have reasons to believe you or wisp could be tpr as well.
3.Ur role still seems to strong compared to the rest to be town alone.
1. I could've easily fakeclaimed in a no-reveal. wouldn't you consider my 'not fakeclaiming' as gamethrowing instead?
2. and you're totally up for us instead of real scum, for the entire phase, eh?
3. I know it's powerful lol
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you were surprised when I mentioned a 2nd ability, proof that you only have 1 ability. Osie/LnG/Last/Iso all mentioned only 1 ability. I'm the only one who said I have 2 abilities and claimed what they were.
Last isn't the only one hiding something, if you are trying to establish the fact.
I have more than 1 ability just saying.
ehh ok. you can't expect Last to claim when you haven't done so yourself -.-
Why would i randomly claim an hour before EOD? THat would just cause unnecessary confusion.
WHICH WAS WHY I CLAIMED EARLY!!
Cool you were told to claim and at some point had 5-6 votes what does that have to do with me?
@DBS I believe both you and Iso aren't scum. I'm not going to speculate on which is more plausible because for the time being I'm accepting both a true.
you're so not helping town here...
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the mod messaged me to prod me/ let me know about the deadline. I'll read the last 5 pages or so and see what's up (i read the last 3 or so just now, going to go back a bit further).
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
ehh ok. you can't expect Last to claim when you haven't done so yourself -.-
Why would i randomly claim an hour before EOD? THat would just cause unnecessary confusion.
WHICH WAS WHY I CLAIMED EARLY!!
Cool you were told to claim and at some point had 5-6 votes what does that have to do with me?
because you're trying to justify the reason you won't claim, and want Last to fullclaim. what correlation does Last's claiming have to do with you? you can't force him to say his other ability, IF ever he has it. geez
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@DBS I believe both you and Iso aren't scum. I'm not going to speculate on which is more plausible because for the time being I'm accepting both a true.
you're so not helping town here...
If you don't believe Iso's claim why haven't you been pushing him?
I happen to believe both. And think both are within town's power budget.
Also, I would like to go to sleep now. Does this have to go until actual midnight? Is that just the way it is?
I think everyone will want to see phase change
No, if a lynch happened I would go to sleep. I'll find out what the flip was in the morning anyway.
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@DBS I believe both you and Iso aren't scum. I'm not going to speculate on which is more plausible because for the time being I'm accepting both a true.
you're so not helping town here...
If you don't believe Iso's claim why haven't you been pushing him?
I happen to believe both. And think both are within town's power budget.
Iso is the better option in terms of mechanics, since it's like the polar opposite of my role. but from a behavioral standpoint, I prefer to have you lynched over him.
for the record, even if I don't believe his claim, he isn't my preferred lynch.
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I should be defending myself or making a case on scum reads of mine right now, but my scum reads aren't going to be lynched toDay and unless everyone is sheeping Az I don't even know why people are voting me. And I've stated why I think Az's case is bad but no one ever talked to me about it.
Iso is >rand to be town Wisp is >rand scum Jenna is >rand scum
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I should be defending myself or making a case on scum reads of mine right now, but my scum reads aren't going to be lynched toDay and unless everyone is sheeping Az I don't even know why people are voting me. And I've stated why I think Az's case is bad but no one ever talked to me about it.
Hey, that’s what happened to me! A pattern emerges :thinking_emoji:
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I should be defending myself or making a case on scum reads of mine right now, but my scum reads aren't going to be lynched toDay and unless everyone is sheeping Az I don't even know why people are voting me. And I've stated why I think Az's case is bad but no one ever talked to me about it.
Hey, that’s what happened to me! A pattern emerges :thinking_emoji:
Yet here we are cross voting each other like cowards.
Also KJ put me to L-2. Still not claiming. Still haven't seen anyone but Az read my ISO and say I'm scummy.
I tried reading your ISO back when Osie asked me to check the ISOs of those I suspected, and that was when I ISO'd DV and Iso. that's when I noticed you tunneled on LnG.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also he's more than willing to vote me, he is voting me.
okay... what do you think of Iso's claim - is it possible for town to have 2 killing roles?
In a game this size a find it plausible especially given the restrictions you both have claimed.
which is more believable?
1. activating a passive kill for 7 BP
2. activating a targeting kill at 1 BP threshold
if we fakeclaimed, which is more likely?
1. passive could be a strongman shot for mafia.
2. there's no other charger roles beside me (probably). could mean I'm town or neutral. (mafia having a scummy overpowered role is...too much lol)
3. any other scenarios I could be mafia?
Also he's more than willing to vote me, he is voting me.
okay... what do you think of Iso's claim - is it possible for town to have 2 killing roles?
In a game this size a find it plausible especially given the restrictions you both have claimed.
which is more believable?
1. activating a passive kill for 7 BP
2. activating a targeting kill at 1 BP threshold
if we fakeclaimed, which is more likely?
1. passive could be a strongman shot for mafia.
2. there's no other charger roles beside me (probably). could mean I'm town or neutral. (mafia having a scummy overpowered role is...too much lol)
3. any other scenarios I could be mafia?
No charger role like the one LW just claimed?
Last's claim is only +1, while I have +3 in the sense I get Betrayed while I Ally - and reducing my BP activates the ability.
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3) LW, the vig role blocker who I pinned as scum from the start of the day and completely botched his claim, contradicted himself over and over, blatant buddying with DBS and Jenna, who has proven to be distracting, inefficient at scum hunting, parroting votes, used his claim as a crutch, jumped the gun on his claim, didn't read or understand his role at best, made it up at worst.
Sry, Terry, you are talking about DBS here, not LW
Whoops, all the other stuff is true for both of them.
Also KJ put me to L-2. Still not claiming. Still haven't seen anyone but Az read my ISO and say I'm scummy.
I tried reading your ISO back when Osie asked me to check the ISOs of those I suspected, and that was when I ISO'd DV and Iso. that's when I noticed you tunneled on LnG.
Your main case has been that I haven't helped town and that I haven't shown commitment. I find the latter personally insulting. And the former to be incorrect but I can understand why someone would feel I haven't helped town. I tunnel, it happens. Before his claim LnGrrrR's behavior made sense for scum, he was preemptively justifying bad votes and demanding explanations for betrayals. Which if they are called for should not be met with role claims! That was a scum+ move because it gives leeway to vote town with high cost BP abilties who betray to turn them on and calls for town who do that to justify it. That is a benefit to scum overall. But with his role in town hands I can see why he was taking that stance even if it was an incorrect and harmful one to take.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well, I heard Killjoy say he would vote Iso, and I know Az will vote Iso, so, how about that?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I should be defending myself or making a case on scum reads of mine right now, but my scum reads aren't going to be lynched toDay and unless everyone is sheeping Az I don't even know why people are voting me. And I've stated why I think Az's case is bad but no one ever talked to me about it.
Hey, that’s what happened to me! A pattern emerges :thinking_emoji:
Yet here we are cross voting each other like cowards.
Time does not allow for another option or there WOULD be an Az lynch toDay.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Phoenix is town
DBS is probably town (or TPR, definitely not scum
Iso is probably town
Axel is town
Terry has some of his town markers, but I'm not confident I can read him
Shin is town
DV is probably town?
There is no world where all of Az, KJ, and LW are all town. Look at the wagons and how they developed.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well, I heard Killjoy say he would vote Iso, and I know Az will vote Iso, so, how about that?
I would, but please just vote. I don't know if KJ can be counted on, not sure if that is enough votes, and I'm getting nervous how close we are cutting it.
Also KJ put me to L-2. Still not claiming. Still haven't seen anyone but Az read my ISO and say I'm scummy.
I tried reading your ISO back when Osie asked me to check the ISOs of those I suspected, and that was when I ISO'd DV and Iso. that's when I noticed you tunneled on LnG.
Your main case has been that I haven't helped town and that I haven't shown commitment. I find the latter personally insulting. And the former to be incorrect but I can understand why someone would feel I haven't helped town. I tunnel, it happens. Before his claim LnGrrrR's behavior made sense for scum, he was preemptively justifying bad votes and demanding explanations for betrayals. Which if they are called for should not be met with role claims! That was a scum+ move because it gives leeway to vote town with high cost BP abilties who betray to turn them on and calls for town who do that to justify it. That is a benefit to scum overall. But with his role in town hands I can see why he was taking that stance even if it was an incorrect and harmful one to take.
my main case is that you haven't been pushing through with your suspicions, and you haven't been exploited for playing it safe. like I said before, you're in the bubble of neutrality that I doubt TOWN will have the luxury of keeping.
I clarified that the lack of commitment I was referring to was a town-aligned commitment. you sure seem to have a scum-aligned commitment. either way, you are committed to this game, but it pushes mafia's agenda, and deters the town.
if you feel LnG was scummy for creating a situation of voting town with expensive BP abilities, why didn't you say so? why were you more focused on the Dawn/Last pocketing game? I'm sure there was more you could've focused on outside of Dawn/Last/LnG.
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Because I'm definitely not going to murder whichever of you survives today tomorrow, right?
Be grateful, always."
@Terry LW claimed moving BP. I agree with you on Iso largely but I know I'm town and we don't have the votes for Wisp.
Lock Grape up!
1. I could've easily fakeclaimed in a no-reveal. wouldn't you consider my 'not fakeclaiming' as gamethrowing instead?
2. and you're totally up for us instead of real scum, for the entire phase, eh?
3. I know it's powerful lol
Be grateful, always."
Cool you were told to claim and at some point had 5-6 votes what does that have to do with me?
What, a wild megs appears?
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
because you're trying to justify the reason you won't claim, and want Last to fullclaim. what correlation does Last's claiming have to do with you? you can't force him to say his other ability, IF ever he has it. geez
Be grateful, always."
If you don't believe Iso's claim why haven't you been pushing him?
I happen to believe both. And think both are within town's power budget.
No, if a lynch happened I would go to sleep. I'll find out what the flip was in the morning anyway.
You’d have your work cut out for you if you think you’ll have the pull to lynch anyone after a Day 1 Iso mislynch.
Oh, that’s your plan, isn’t it? To lose credibility and seem like a rambling old guy for the rest of the game.
I see through you, you fogey.
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for the record, even if I don't believe his claim, he isn't my preferred lynch.
Be grateful, always."
Iso is >rand to be town Wisp is >rand scum Jenna is >rand scum
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Hey, that’s what happened to me! A pattern emerges :thinking_emoji:
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Be grateful, always."
Killjoy switched to Grapefruit. I think that's his final switch.
Be grateful, always."
Yet here we are cross voting each other like cowards.
Be grateful, always."
Grapes scum lynch him please.
Be grateful, always."
Last's claim is only +1, while I have +3 in the sense I get Betrayed while I Ally - and reducing my BP activates the ability.
Be grateful, always."
Your main case has been that I haven't helped town and that I haven't shown commitment. I find the latter personally insulting. And the former to be incorrect but I can understand why someone would feel I haven't helped town. I tunnel, it happens. Before his claim LnGrrrR's behavior made sense for scum, he was preemptively justifying bad votes and demanding explanations for betrayals. Which if they are called for should not be met with role claims! That was a scum+ move because it gives leeway to vote town with high cost BP abilties who betray to turn them on and calls for town who do that to justify it. That is a benefit to scum overall. But with his role in town hands I can see why he was taking that stance even if it was an incorrect and harmful one to take.
Be grateful, always."
That, and he still hasn't even seriously engaged with my PBPA. Not that I would encourage anyone to unvote him if he tried.
Vote please.
Time does not allow for another option or there WOULD be an Az lynch toDay.
I am (jokingly) offended!
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If we can’t come to an agreement between Grapefruit and myself, please lynch me with the promise that Az will never see Day 3.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
DBS is probably town (or TPR, definitely not scum
Iso is probably town
Axel is town
Terry has some of his town markers, but I'm not confident I can read him
Shin is town
DV is probably town?
There is no world where all of Az, KJ, and LW are all town. Look at the wagons and how they developed.
Happy birthday to me?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I would, but please just vote. I don't know if KJ can be counted on, not sure if that is enough votes, and I'm getting nervous how close we are cutting it.
unvote, vote: Grape
I'm so pissed that it's not lw.
my main case is that you haven't been pushing through with your suspicions, and you haven't been exploited for playing it safe. like I said before, you're in the bubble of neutrality that I doubt TOWN will have the luxury of keeping.
I clarified that the lack of commitment I was referring to was a town-aligned commitment. you sure seem to have a scum-aligned commitment. either way, you are committed to this game, but it pushes mafia's agenda, and deters the town.
if you feel LnG was scummy for creating a situation of voting town with expensive BP abilities, why didn't you say so? why were you more focused on the Dawn/Last pocketing game? I'm sure there was more you could've focused on outside of Dawn/Last/LnG.
Be grateful, always."