Tom's weird full on town lean of Jenna is throwing me off... I mean I'd put her at /like 60/40 with her being scum around 60%. It's making me want to vote her over iso... Tbh...
don't be so wishy-washy. pfft
look this game in the eye and tell me what makes Jenna the better option over Iso.
(feels like you sheep all my vote changes lmao)
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Tom's weird full on town lean of Jenna is throwing me off... I mean I'd put her at /like 60/40 with her being scum around 60%. It's making me want to vote her over iso... Tbh...
don't be so wishy-washy. pfft
look this game in the eye and tell me what makes Jenna the better option over Iso.
(feels like you sheep all my vote changes lmao)
We have claim procedure for a reason. That reason is to eliminate any ambiguity or wiggle room that scum can have for their actions not lining up, and to prevent us from lynching town. I do not condone letting bull***** like LW's claim slide. It took like 20 ******* pages to lock dawn into a claim. We do NOT need that song and dance AGAIN, let alone 6 hours before deadline.
Think critically and you can figure out LastWhisper's role.
I need to go reread disinheritance. I remember Iso getting mad during that game.
I'm uncertain if this is the same anger. But this feels town to me.
Skim him in JPA2. He's a bit of wet noodle town!Iso in that one.
can understand if you see town!Iso because of a previous game. (which contradicts your insults at me for referencing old meta but...) has Iso seen your lazy towngame yet? why is he so against your lynch?
and why don't you and him reference old games for defending each other? I referenced some games as the basis of my defense on Last. got anything to hide?
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DBS, there will be time for Grape tomorrow. The case was made, and when Iso flips scum it will be pretty clear linkage. But we dont have the votes yet, not in six hours. The Iso wagon would disintegrate while the scum segment pushing for Lw's death will stay right where they are.
I refuse to have Last lynched. you haven't seen his game yet while I have, so I have more reason to read him while you don't. how sure are you Last is scum? you don't even know how he plays.
I've seen how he plays...in this game. And his play in this game has caused me to believe that he's scum. Why aren't you analyzing his play in the context of this game rather than his history?
Tom's weird full on town lean of Jenna is throwing me off... I mean I'd put her at /like 60/40 with her being scum around 60%. It's making me want to vote her over iso... Tbh...
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Tom's weird full on town lean of Jenna is throwing me off... I mean I'd put her at /like 60/40 with her being scum around 60%. It's making me want to vote her over iso... Tbh...
don't be so wishy-washy. pfft
look this game in the eye and tell me what makes Jenna the better option over Iso.
(feels like you sheep all my vote changes lmao)
You're just now noticing this fact?
not really. it's like a thing he always does so... then again, there are those with the sheep mentality in mafia games, while others tend to take the lead. he probably slots into the sheep mentality, and I'll need to figure if there's a scum or town mindset behind it. Last feels town to me, but yeah..I see it lol
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Tell me how I use this iteration of this role to any particular extra advantage as scum, because I have no idea:
You don't see an advantage in talking to someone privately and gaining their trust and influencing them?
That was directed at dawning...
But in general, 1-on-1 discussion makes scumtells more obvious, at least according to what I've been told.
@Dawning: Do you want to answer the question, or just have someone else do it for you?
I don't have to answer every question in the thread. and whatever sense you wanna talk about, the existence of scum neighborizers are confirmed. I don't look into mechanics any deeper than its surface value lol
Apparently no deeper than the name of the ability, because the ability itself is more complicated than just a neighborizer, in a manner that makes it pretty damn useless for scum, except as some strange handwaving tool.
But no... Let's just judge a book by its cover. Since you TOTALLY haven't been railing on that sort of action all damn thread:
just looking into the reasons I'm being voted and seeing a lack of depth. I mean...that's so surface value. I'd imagine people will think deeper about the motives and intents of each action/post.
I have bad memories with a scum aligned neighborizer its a powerful role, there is alot you can do with it as scum so don't apply its useless for scum.
DBS, there will be time for Grape tomorrow. The case was made, and when Iso flips scum it will be pretty clear linkage. But we dont have the votes yet, not in six hours. The Iso wagon would disintegrate while the scum segment pushing for Lw's death will stay right where they are.
I refuse to have Last lynched. you haven't seen his game yet while I have, so I have more reason to read him while you don't. how sure are you Last is scum? you don't even know how he plays.
I've seen how he plays...in this game. And his play in this game has caused me to believe that he's scum. Why aren't you analyzing his play in the context of this game rather than his history?
Just FYI I'm gong to work soon so I won't be here to switch my vote.We need to decide now between Iso or Grape and stick to that.
Grapefruit isn't an option. It's LW or Iso at this point.
1. face value? I did take into consideration some OOG excuses, but that was shallow of me. so I'm back to voting you~
2. if this game is the only way you can read Last, then I suggest you look for someone else you can read better. if you're scumreading someone, saying there is no past history for reference, it is just an opportunistic scum move. there are many others for the picking, that you HAVE played with before, but you choose to lynch someone you have no prior experience with?
3. Grapefruit can easily be an option with the time we have left. but I'm fine with lynching you.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
if you don't have time, just poke random questions at players and figure them out. Shinichi can do that. Osie can do that. I can do that. I'm sure you can do that.
But apparently you can't actually read into those questions for reasoning why people asked them or why people responded as they did, or respond to them in a manner that is likely to come from town.
excuse me?
No need to be excused this is exactly what ive been seeing, so I agree with Osi here. If you were town why are you replying in a way that benefits only you and not a way that benefits town?
We have claim procedure for a reason. That reason is to eliminate any ambiguity or wiggle room that scum can have for their actions not lining up, and to prevent us from lynching town. I do not condone letting bull***** like LW's claim slide. It took like 20 ******* pages to lock dawn into a claim. We do NOT need that song and dance AGAIN, let alone 6 hours before deadline.
Think critically and you can figure out LastWhisper's role.
Problem is, I know too many roles that it could possibly be, which is why I am unable to proceed on this matter. Also, it doesn't do anything for BP threshold information to just guess at what his ability is.
I need to go reread disinheritance. I remember Iso getting mad during that game.
I'm uncertain if this is the same anger. But this feels town to me.
Skim him in JPA2. He's a bit of wet noodle town!Iso in that one.
can understand if you see town!Iso because of a previous game. (which contradicts your insults at me for referencing old meta but...) has Iso seen your lazy towngame yet? why is he so against your lynch?
and why don't you and him reference old games for defending each other? I referenced some games as the basis of my defense on Last. got anything to hide?
Since you can't possibly expect Grapefruit to know why I'm not meta defending him, I assume the latter part of your question is directed towards me. I don't solely rely on meta to determine a person's alignment. It's a big factor when I can be arsed to pull quotes from games, yes - but I currently can't, so I'm playing off of what I see, here. If I have a vague semblance of something that a player should know or do based on a previous game, I will reference that, but probably not dig too deeply on it. Also, players should learn from their mistakes in previous games, so meta is not the be-all-end-all of reliable information on how to read a person.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
if you don't have time, just poke random questions at players and figure them out. Shinichi can do that. Osie can do that. I can do that. I'm sure you can do that.
But apparently you can't actually read into those questions for reasoning why people asked them or why people responded as they did, or respond to them in a manner that is likely to come from town.
Let's approach things from a different angle. People pushing/questioning you for your reads has turned out badly. People pushing/questioning you for your actions has turned out badly. People voting you has turned out particularly badly.
You've described your own play with: "I've been inconsistent throughout the game," "ik my posts are generally bad," "lowhanging fruit," "reasons [I'm scumread] are warranted," "I am known to be a manipulative player," "I love torturing ppl, it's more fun than winning," "I'm trolling scum with these claims lol.. maybe town in the process," "How To Irritate People 1968," "I insult and do things to get reactions," "thx [for saying my posts are annoying to read]," "I now hold town hostage," "my hellish playstyle," "what if I lie," "what if I'm lying about what he says," "you should not trust me," "might cost town a loss," "derailing town's focus," "it would be foolish for others to believe my claim," "I'd rather have fun juggling my claim around," "I have been everything but a shining example of being town," "anti-town by playstyle," "at least it took a week of pressure for me to throw a tantrum," "scummy," "I'm more of a powerwolfer,"
Oh yes, if you ignore the numerous questionable things Iso has done, including a compendium of additional questionable actions that Azrael detailed just recently, then of course you will not be able to make any judgment. Did you even reply to Azrael's compendium? I'm not sure you did. Did you miss the episode with Grapefruit?
I need to go reread disinheritance. I remember Iso getting mad during that game.
I'm uncertain if this is the same anger. But this feels town to me.
Fun fact, that game took 4 months. And had about the same # of posts as this one right now!
I kind of want to town read DV for this post. But I am not feeling the Town Iso that you are apparently feeling.
Unvote:
Vote: Iso
Unlike everyone else in this game, however, I am not going to act like I'm certain of anything. I don't know. My plan is: I am going to figure it out tomorrow.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
We have claim procedure for a reason. That reason is to eliminate any ambiguity or wiggle room that scum can have for their actions not lining up, and to prevent us from lynching town. I do not condone letting bull***** like LW's claim slide. It took like 20 ******* pages to lock dawn into a claim. We do NOT need that song and dance AGAIN, let alone 6 hours before deadline.
Think critically and you can figure out LastWhisper's role.
I really don't want to have to hunt down where this was previously mentioned, but:
Also, did you forget when Tom asked for Iso's reason for suspecting me? Iso directed Tom to Iso's ISO for the answer, and Tom reviewed it to see that there was no concrete answer, only one vague suspicion that is now the entire excuse for his vote.
I need to go reread disinheritance. I remember Iso getting mad during that game.
I'm uncertain if this is the same anger. But this feels town to me.
Fun fact, that game took 4 months. And had about the same # of posts as this one right now!
I kind of want to town read DV for this post. But I am not feeling the Town Iso that you are apparently feeling.
Unvote:
Vote: Iso
Unlike everyone else in this game, however, I am not going to act like I'm certain of anything. I don't know. My plan is: I am going to figure it out tomorrow.
I'm not certain of iso. The people I'm certain of aren't getting lynched ATM though
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You don't see an advantage in talking to someone privately and gaining their trust and influencing them?
That was directed at dawning...
But in general, 1-on-1 discussion makes scumtells more obvious, at least according to what I've been told.
@Dawning: Do you want to answer the question, or just have someone else do it for you?
I don't have to answer every question in the thread. and whatever sense you wanna talk about, the existence of scum neighborizers are confirmed. I don't look into mechanics any deeper than its surface value lol
Apparently no deeper than the name of the ability, because the ability itself is more complicated than just a neighborizer, in a manner that makes it pretty damn useless for scum, except as some strange handwaving tool.
But no... Let's just judge a book by its cover. Since you TOTALLY haven't been railing on that sort of action all damn thread:
just looking into the reasons I'm being voted and seeing a lack of depth. I mean...that's so surface value. I'd imagine people will think deeper about the motives and intents of each action/post.
I have bad memories with a scum aligned neighborizer its a powerful role, there is alot you can do with it as scum so don't apply its useless for scum.
My role is significantly more specific than just a neighborizer.
Oh yes, if you ignore the numerous questionable things Iso has done, including a compendium of additional questionable actions that Azrael detailed just recently, then of course you will not be able to make any judgment. Did you even reply to Azrael's compendium? I'm not sure you did. Did you miss the episode with Grapefruit?
What questionable things?
Could you stop posting words that mean nothing?
Azreal didn't do jack ***** I agree with Iso. He just said "Probs not cause meta".
Also, did you forget when Tom asked for Iso's reason for suspecting me? Iso directed Tom to Iso's ISO for the answer, and Tom reviewed it to see that there was no concrete answer, only one vague suspicion that is now the entire excuse for his vote.
tom said he reviewed it. tom claimed he did not find a concrete answer. tom lied.
It's really not that difficult.
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@dawn:
1. I meant Az's statement - you're taking it at face value. This is undeniable.
2. Why the **** should whether or not I've played with him before affect whether or not I want to lynch him? He's scummy. His play is scummy. I lynch scummy people, because scummy people are generally more inclined to be scum. My win condition involves eliminating the scum. Ergo, I am playing to my win condition. Ergo, I am going to lynch the people I think are scum. You might also notice that I've been pushing Jenna for most of the Day, and Az and tom more recently. There is not support for a wagon on either of these people right now with less than 5 hours to deadline. People tried to say, "Iso, why aren't you voting LW if you think he's scum?" Well, I only have one vote, as you may have noticed! I am in favor of an LW lynch - I am also in favor of a lynch on Jenna, Az, and tom. Would you like to give me an additional vote so that I can vote for all four of them? That'd be most appreciated. Otherwise, what are you smoking?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
DV: Betray!!!!
Shinichi: I stopped reading at her first post. So I don't know yet.
BluesEscape: Ally
tomsloger: Ally
Jenna Tolaria: Ally
lastwhisper: Ally
Megiddo: Unknown agency
dawningbluesky: Ally
Iso: Ally with the expectation that he Ally back.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: Betray
Grapefruit21: Ally, I think...
Azrael: Ally!!!
Killjoy: Ally, I think...
LnGrrrR: Ally
osieorb18: Betray, I think...
Phoenix-Fire: Ally
Axelrod: Betray
Azrael saw the two sections of posts that made me distrust D_V; dawningbluesky and LastWhisper appear to be as new and innocent as I; Tom had the same thought as me with Ally town and Betray mafia, I have not seen Megiddo, and Shinichi should come soon. Iso is a strong trust, as he understands how unlikely it is to ever be able to use our abilities, though my trust extends only if he chooses Ally as well. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry said a thing that didn't follow previous sentiments and Azrael pointed it out as well.
Killjoy and Grapefruit seem okay so far, Odie does not. Nothing solid here.
LnGrrrR and Phoenix said minor things that I agree with. Axelrod did not, and has not.
The strength axis of this analysis appears to be the vertical.
Here is the post in question.
Show me where it says anything about anything in here.
I'll wait.
Show me where the lies were from me from before post 369.
I could easily build a case on all the scummy things Jenna did, but I don't have time today and it will have to wait till tomorrow because she's not getting lynched today unfortunately.
Fun fact, that game took 4 months. And had about the same # of posts as this one right now!
19th highest post count of any game on this subforum.
Highest post count of any game to start in 2017.
Likely to become the highest post count of any game to occur in 2017.
And we're still on Day 1.
Unlike everyone else in this game, however, I am not going to act like I'm certain of anything. I don't know. My plan is: I am going to figure it out tomorrow.
Huh. I thought I was being accused of not being certain of stuff...
I mean, I guess there's a .01% chance that tom is just being even lazier than I am. But I think his intent is malicious, because in addition to his accusations, he's lying about having read all of my posts thoroughly. Otherwise, he'd have found the answer he's looking for!
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
DV: Betray!!!!
Shinichi: I stopped reading at her first post. So I don't know yet.
BluesEscape: Ally
tomsloger: Ally
Jenna Tolaria: Ally
lastwhisper: Ally
Megiddo: Unknown agency
dawningbluesky: Ally
Iso: Ally with the expectation that he Ally back.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: Betray
Grapefruit21: Ally, I think...
Azrael: Ally!!!
Killjoy: Ally, I think...
LnGrrrR: Ally
osieorb18: Betray, I think...
Phoenix-Fire: Ally
Axelrod: Betray
Azrael saw the two sections of posts that made me distrust D_V; dawningbluesky and LastWhisper appear to be as new and innocent as I; Tom had the same thought as me with Ally town and Betray mafia, I have not seen Megiddo, and Shinichi should come soon. Iso is a strong trust, as he understands how unlikely it is to ever be able to use our abilities, though my trust extends only if he chooses Ally as well. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry said a thing that didn't follow previous sentiments and Azrael pointed it out as well.
Killjoy and Grapefruit seem okay so far, Odie does not. Nothing solid here.
LnGrrrR and Phoenix said minor things that I agree with. Axelrod did not, and has not.
The strength axis of this analysis appears to be the vertical.
Here is the post in question.
Show me where it says anything about anything in here.
I'll wait.
Show me where the lies were from me from before post 369.
That Jenna just claimed.
D_V, I agree that she has not been a great player. I agree that she has not done as much in the way of scumhunting as I would like. I do not agree that she has done "zero scumhunting." This is not in defense of her, this is me pointing out that hyperbole is not going to help you or anyone else here.
I need to go reread disinheritance. I remember Iso getting mad during that game.
I'm uncertain if this is the same anger. But this feels town to me.
Fun fact, that game took 4 months. And had about the same # of posts as this one right now!
I kind of want to town read DV for this post. But I am not feeling the Town Iso that you are apparently feeling.
Unvote:
Vote: Iso
Unlike everyone else in this game, however, I am not going to act like I'm certain of anything. I don't know. My plan is: I am going to figure it out tomorrow.
I'm not certain of iso. The people I'm certain of aren't getting lynched ATM though
Grapefruit I guess? I'd rather go with Osie, but that's not going through.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
Jenna is the most worthless do nothing jack off player in this thread.
And I'm actually angry that people keep lying and saying otherwise then when called on it just go meh.
I dub thee 'the hate lyncher'.
I mean its literally a better argument than Iso.
I'm not doing it because I find Jenna's style to be annoying. Its because the behavior is scummy.
If I was hate lynching right now it would be on someone else.
@DV I mean we could try a train on Tom but will it happen? I don't want us switching to someone that has very little chance of being lynched... Jenna and Tom's interactions are confusing me now... And I'm thinking of moving back to her now. I'll home around 9pm est
Can we all at least agree that everyone needs to either vote for LW or myself at this point? Please. We don't need any more distractions, and a No Lynch is only going to hurt the town at this point.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
DV: Betray!!!!
Shinichi: I stopped reading at her first post. So I don't know yet.
BluesEscape: Ally
tomsloger: Ally
Jenna Tolaria: Ally
lastwhisper: Ally
Megiddo: Unknown agency
dawningbluesky: Ally
Iso: Ally with the expectation that he Ally back.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: Betray
Grapefruit21: Ally, I think...
Azrael: Ally!!!
Killjoy: Ally, I think...
LnGrrrR: Ally
osieorb18: Betray, I think...
Phoenix-Fire: Ally
Axelrod: Betray
Azrael saw the two sections of posts that made me distrust D_V; dawningbluesky and LastWhisper appear to be as new and innocent as I; Tom had the same thought as me with Ally town and Betray mafia, I have not seen Megiddo, and Shinichi should come soon. Iso is a strong trust, as he understands how unlikely it is to ever be able to use our abilities, though my trust extends only if he chooses Ally as well. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry said a thing that didn't follow previous sentiments and Azrael pointed it out as well.
Killjoy and Grapefruit seem okay so far, Odie does not. Nothing solid here.
LnGrrrR and Phoenix said minor things that I agree with. Axelrod did not, and has not.
The strength axis of this analysis appears to be the vertical.
Here is the post in question.
Show me where it says anything about anything in here.
I'll wait.
Show me where the lies were from me from before post 369.
That Jenna just claimed.
D_V, I agree that she has not been a great player. I agree that she has not done as much in the way of scumhunting as I would like. I do not agree that she has done "zero scumhunting." This is not in defense of her, this is me pointing out that hyperbole is not going to help you or anyone else here.
You have a player actively lying in the thread saying things that is not true and changing history to their own liking.
At what point do you go "Yeah that's scummy".
Meanwhile we have a wagon on Iso for the dumbest "Meta" reads.
And you have Jenna on that wagon going "Cause he did X and Y" When they have never A established X and Y and B they never said that until like the last second.
Add that too the weird ass voting behavior, the ******* weird forced reads. The inability to change opinions, and finally the ******* gimick posting which is making half the thread not read their scummy behavior and you got what?
@DV I mean we could try a train on Tom but will it happen? I don't want us switching to someone that has very little chance of being lynched... Jenna and Tom's interactions are confusing me now... And I'm thinking of moving back to her now. I'll home around 9pm est
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@DV I mean we could try a train on Tom but will it happen? I don't want us switching to someone that has very little chance of being lynched... Jenna and Tom's interactions are confusing me now... And I'm thinking of moving back to her now. I'll home around 9pm est
Can we all at least agree that everyone needs to either vote for LW or myself at this point? Please. We don't need any more distractions, and a No Lynch is only going to hurt the town at this point.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
We have claim procedure for a reason. That reason is to eliminate any ambiguity or wiggle room that scum can have for their actions not lining up, and to prevent us from lynching town. I do not condone letting bull***** like LW's claim slide. It took like 20 ******* pages to lock dawn into a claim. We do NOT need that song and dance AGAIN, let alone 6 hours before deadline.
Think critically and you can figure out LastWhisper's role.
I really don't want to have to hunt down where this was previously mentioned, but:
Skim him in JPA2. He's a bit of wet noodle town!Iso in that one.
look this game in the eye and tell me what makes Jenna the better option over Iso.
(feels like you sheep all my vote changes lmao)
Be grateful, always."
You're just now noticing this fact?
and why don't you and him reference old games for defending each other? I referenced some games as the basis of my defense on Last. got anything to hide?
Be grateful, always."
No, tom's content to do jack ***** all game.
Why are you just taking this at face value?
I've seen how he plays...in this game. And his play in this game has caused me to believe that he's scum. Why aren't you analyzing his play in the context of this game rather than his history?
Grapefruit isn't an option. It's LW or Iso at this point.
You know, repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it any more true.
Why isn't it making you want to vote tom?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Be grateful, always."
I have bad memories with a scum aligned neighborizer its a powerful role, there is alot you can do with it as scum so don't apply its useless for scum.
1. face value? I did take into consideration some OOG excuses, but that was shallow of me. so I'm back to voting you~
2. if this game is the only way you can read Last, then I suggest you look for someone else you can read better. if you're scumreading someone, saying there is no past history for reference, it is just an opportunistic scum move. there are many others for the picking, that you HAVE played with before, but you choose to lynch someone you have no prior experience with?
3. Grapefruit can easily be an option with the time we have left. but I'm fine with lynching you.
Be grateful, always."
No need to be excused this is exactly what ive been seeing, so I agree with Osi here. If you were town why are you replying in a way that benefits only you and not a way that benefits town?
This is the towniest thing you've said all game.
Problem is, I know too many roles that it could possibly be, which is why I am unable to proceed on this matter. Also, it doesn't do anything for BP threshold information to just guess at what his ability is.
Since you can't possibly expect Grapefruit to know why I'm not meta defending him, I assume the latter part of your question is directed towards me. I don't solely rely on meta to determine a person's alignment. It's a big factor when I can be arsed to pull quotes from games, yes - but I currently can't, so I'm playing off of what I see, here. If I have a vague semblance of something that a player should know or do based on a previous game, I will reference that, but probably not dig too deeply on it. Also, players should learn from their mistakes in previous games, so meta is not the be-all-end-all of reliable information on how to read a person.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
vvvvvv
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Fun fact, that game took 4 months. And had about the same # of posts as this one right now!
I kind of want to town read DV for this post. But I am not feeling the Town Iso that you are apparently feeling.
Unvote:
Vote: Iso
Unlike everyone else in this game, however, I am not going to act like I'm certain of anything. I don't know. My plan is: I am going to figure it out tomorrow.
I really don't want to have to hunt down where this was previously mentioned, but:
Softclaims - See the last sentence.
BRO
I DON'T CARE.
What was the purpose of this?
Really?
Who thinks this is town.
Really?
@Tom. I demand you defend this.
My role is significantly more specific than just a neighborizer.
What questionable things?
Could you stop posting words that mean nothing?
Azreal didn't do jack ***** I agree with Iso. He just said "Probs not cause meta".
You just said he did questionable things.
Name one.
And I'm actually angry that people keep lying and saying otherwise then when called on it just go meh.
@D_V: She has a point in that she has done some form of scum hunting, even if neither of us necessarily agrees with all of her conclusions.
I make convincing arguments about why someone is town in that case he agrees then ******* kills them anyways.
Its so god damn infuriating.
She pointed out I was lying about what?
What the **** is her point.
I haven't lied about jack ***** this game.
Like no
Just no.
That wasn't what was said at all in that ******* post.
Let me go find it for you since you clearly didn't read it.
They gave Blue + townie points.
+ townie points don't come from doing nothing "Bad".
Jenna just said "DV is bad because others said so"
tom said he reviewed it. tom claimed he did not find a concrete answer. tom lied.
It's really not that difficult.
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@dawn:
1. I meant Az's statement - you're taking it at face value. This is undeniable.
2. Why the **** should whether or not I've played with him before affect whether or not I want to lynch him? He's scummy. His play is scummy. I lynch scummy people, because scummy people are generally more inclined to be scum. My win condition involves eliminating the scum. Ergo, I am playing to my win condition. Ergo, I am going to lynch the people I think are scum. You might also notice that I've been pushing Jenna for most of the Day, and Az and tom more recently. There is not support for a wagon on either of these people right now with less than 5 hours to deadline. People tried to say, "Iso, why aren't you voting LW if you think he's scum?" Well, I only have one vote, as you may have noticed! I am in favor of an LW lynch - I am also in favor of a lynch on Jenna, Az, and tom. Would you like to give me an additional vote so that I can vote for all four of them? That'd be most appreciated. Otherwise, what are you smoking?
3. Then you're lynching town. Period.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Here is the post in question.
Show me where it says anything about anything in here.
I'll wait.
Show me where the lies were from me from before post 369.
That Jenna just claimed.
19th highest post count of any game on this subforum.
Highest post count of any game to start in 2017.
Likely to become the highest post count of any game to occur in 2017.
And we're still on Day 1.
Huh. I thought I was being accused of not being certain of stuff...
Iso is a bad lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Be grateful, always."
D_V, I agree that she has not been a great player. I agree that she has not done as much in the way of scumhunting as I would like. I do not agree that she has done "zero scumhunting." This is not in defense of her, this is me pointing out that hyperbole is not going to help you or anyone else here.
Be grateful, always."
I mean its literally a better argument than Iso.
I'm not doing it because I find Jenna's style to be annoying. Its because the behavior is scummy.
If I was hate lynching right now it would be on someone else.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You have a player actively lying in the thread saying things that is not true and changing history to their own liking.
At what point do you go "Yeah that's scummy".
Meanwhile we have a wagon on Iso for the dumbest "Meta" reads.
And you have Jenna on that wagon going "Cause he did X and Y" When they have never A established X and Y and B they never said that until like the last second.
Add that too the weird ass voting behavior, the ******* weird forced reads. The inability to change opinions, and finally the ******* gimick posting which is making half the thread not read their scummy behavior and you got what?
SCUM
Say it with me.
Jenna is scum.
Did you mean to direct this at me?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso (7): tomsloger, Lastwhisper, Jenna Tolaria, Azrael, Killjoy, dawningbluesky, Axelrod
Lastwhisper (6): Phoenix-Fire, Grapefruit21, LnGrrrR, Iso, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, osieorb18
Jenna Tolaria (1): D_V
dawningbluesky (1): Shinichi
Not Voting (1): Kabazame, Megiddo
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If I have to I'll lynch LW over Iso.
But I'd rather not.
U really believe 100% of her posts were meaningless?
What even is this argument?
No I don't believe 100% were but like 90% is a strong number.
Meanwhile you have massive posts by...
Oh wait you're still on DBS.
Screw off.