I think my stance on Jenna is pretty clear. Same as Iso, I want her to die, but I think she's better off dying tomorrow in the event there's something we're missing, seeing as she apparently hasn't even reached the current thread.
What do you mean, Az? She's been here. She commented on current posts. And then she left again.
But hey, if you want to follow Iso towards lynching someone who actually probably won't even claim in her own defense today, feel free. Because Iso's not being a hypocritical scummy dude at all by trying to push for her lynch today, over tomorrow, when we would have plenty of time to force her to claim and barrage her with mean, nasty questions. In the remote event that Jenna is weird town, this wagon is a tragedy waiting to happen, and it's the kind of loose, reckless, and irresponsible play that should never be allowed. But don't take my word for it, take Iso's, when he complained about me supposedly doing the same thing to him.
You don't lynch people who can't defend themselves. Iso said so himself, as applied to me. He just won't apply that same standard to his own desperation wagon, or admit that one of the primary reasons he isn't dead right now, is because I'm NOT going to do that to him today.
Where can't she defend herself? And, not to defend Iso too much, but he's not making some kind of last second push for Jenna either. He was voting her a long time ago. This does not seem a correct point.
This is the Axelrod oasis: a sentiment I agree on. Azrael is not making sense. Like the opposite of Axelrod, he divines the other way in Iso. It seems strange to still want Iso's death. Azrael may indeed be conning us.
DBS Maybe don't accuse town of game throwing for lynching the person you're voting for. Seems like you have some agency in that. As for who Wisps partners could be Az is the obvious one given his defense of Wisp. Beyond that I don't see anyone tied to him directly. I'd be looking at the rest of the pressure that popped up on me when I started hard pushing Wisp including Jenna.
@LW repeating that you're town over and over again accomplishes nothing. You think I'm scum and me claiming I'm town over and over again wouldn't change your mind. So why do you expect it to change mine. As for if you're faking everything I know better than most that you don't have a filter and play free as both alignments. Think back to my introduction to your play and you'll know why.
to that, the thought of Azreal pocketing me did cross my mind, and I wouldnt against lynching him...
you sound as much like a broken record as I do... just as me saying im town, proves nothing in your eyes, you saying I have imaginary scum buddies isnt doing much. Where are you taking my scum game from? Robot Mafia?
I'm sorry for my outburst but it needed to be said. Back to the game.
Iso in #2694 explains sufficiently. I suppose Terry will find some way for this to imply an act of malice perpetrated by me in some form. I do not look forward to it and can only hope it will not happen.
How about that time when you just voted No Lynch?
This is addressed a few posts prior to now.
Where? I don't see where you addressed the horrible no lynch vote.
I'm sorry for my outburst but it needed to be said. Back to the game.
Iso in #2694 explains sufficiently. I suppose Terry will find some way for this to imply an act of malice perpetrated by me in some form. I do not look forward to it and can only hope it will not happen.
How about that time when you just voted No Lynch?
This is addressed a few posts prior to now.
Where? I don't see where you addressed the horrible no lynch vote.
he said he was unvoting lol... apparently he doesnt know how to unvote so he used "no lynch"
I mean, I want to say it's possible Jenna's a new player and really just off in her own zone, doing her own thing, slowly commenting on stuff that happened 1500 posts ago, except
she's still posting in that weird, affected style that HAS to be deliberate and which belies a mentality of someone who's a new player, and
she's also shown that she can see what's happening in the present and has commented on a few very specific recent posts, but is ignoring the wagon on her as a whole. I mean, she's remarked on me specifically - calling me a liar no less - but seeming to ignore the rather larger number of other people saying essentially the exact same things about her.
I have nothing to say to them.
So it's like this, Jenna (and I'm grossly paraphrasing here)
Me: Jenna is being useless
You: You are a liar Multiple other people: Jenna is being useless
You: (tumbleweeds)
And I'm fairly sure that I wasn't nearly the first person to say your posting was useless. Like, I wasn't voting you for a long time. I had you in the "I have no idea" box, while other people were actively voting for you. And then I got tired of the shtick. And tired of you playing so far from behind. It seemed like a very easy thing for a scum you to do to essentially active lurk your way into D2.
You are only, just now, starting to talk in real time. And slightly more coherently. So let's talk.
Who do you want to lynch now? And why?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
What do you mean, Az? She's been here. She commented on current posts. And then she left again.
Where can't she defend herself? And, not to defend Iso too much, but he's not making some kind of last second push for Jenna either. He was voting her a long time ago. This does not seem a correct point.
She briefly discussed a few current posts, but I still don't think she's fully read the thread. I saw her respond to one persons' attack on her, but I haven't seen her address my case, or showed any sign that she realized that she was a major candidate for lynch. Several days ago, I'm happy to have her as front-runner. With the amount of time we have left, I'd rather switch our one space back in our order, so we don't get taken for a ride with Murphy's law. Same ultimate destination, slower, safer arrival time.
This makes no sense. If you think I'm mafia, pursue that dream. If you don't, then don't say you'll kill me later. The wrongness that is Azrael is billowing.
DBS Maybe don't accuse town of game throwing for lynching the person you're voting for. Seems like you have some agency in that. As for who Wisps partners could be Az is the obvious one given his defense of Wisp. Beyond that I don't see anyone tied to him directly. I'd be looking at the rest of the pressure that popped up on me when I started hard pushing Wisp including Jenna.
@LW repeating that you're town over and over again accomplishes nothing. You think I'm scum and me claiming I'm town over and over again wouldn't change your mind. So why do you expect it to change mine. As for if you're faking everything I know better than most that you don't have a filter and play free as both alignments. Think back to my introduction to your play and you'll know why.
to that, the thought of Azreal pocketing me did cross my mind, and I wouldnt against lynching him...
you sound as much like a broken record as I do... just as me saying im town, proves nothing in your eyes, you saying I have imaginary scum buddies isnt doing much. Where are you taking my scum game from? Robot Mafia?
You've never expressed a town read on him so he can't be pocketing you, but then again you're acting like he's a town read despite having him as a scum read so maybe he has. Or maybe you're just scum who can't keep a story straight. And I've been bringing a variety of points and arguments against you. Hardly repeating myself. Your main defense is "lol but I'm town"
I don't have a strong grasp on who else is scum, only speculated because DBS asked me to.
And yeah I was referring to robot mafia there mainly. Though I have read other scum games of yours. Filter is not a tell for you imo.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
DBS Maybe don't accuse town of game throwing for lynching the person you're voting for. Seems like you have some agency in that. As for who Wisps partners could be Az is the obvious one given his defense of Wisp. Beyond that I don't see anyone tied to him directly. I'd be looking at the rest of the pressure that popped up on me when I started hard pushing Wisp including Jenna.
why would I accuse town for lynching who I vote for? I'm talking about Jenna trying to get herself lynched as......gt. this better be a bus or town doing this is...ugh. where did I talk about accusing the town? you're just exaggerating. then again, why do you feel the need to exaggerate?
if Last was scum, why would any of his teammates try to defend him, when they could easily bus him? I'm sure Azrael knows better than to defend Last, if they were partners. if you have no one to pin a team on with Last, why do you even want him lynched? you're looking for a team, not a person.
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if you say you're scumreading Jenna based off her actions, tell me how it deterred town?
Someone acting intentionally cryptic is anti-town. Someone voting based on OMGUS is anti-town. Someone voting no lynch day 1 when there exists no good reason to do so is anti-town.
I would say they both have done more than your walls of ISOs and questionnaires have done. don't expect to be let off the hook because you're active, because the majority of your activity is only in mentoring attempts, and from experience it comes from scum.
I've seen some non-mentoring posts from you, but they're fluff or have nothing to do with sorting alignments.
You want to know what feels like a waste of my time? Counting the percentage of my own posts which are actually fluff.
29/364 = ~7.97%
And posts that are not fluff specifically but inherently might not do enough to further the game or could be considered to be solely in the coachy/rulesy side of things (May have double counted once or twice)
70/364 = 19.23%
That leaves:
265/364 = 72.80%
I still have at least 265 productive posts (and I argue that a number of the posts in the second category are still productive), which is still more than the vast majority of the thread. Can you definitively say that the percentage of your posts which are productive is higher than mine? Can you even definitively say that the NUMBER of your posts which are productive is higher than mine?
I wouldn't be surprised if I can accurately quote (well, technically paraphrase due to gender) Kpaca's statement from Revolution:
"I've accomplished twice as much this game as you have, amiga."
what was the use of those questionnaires you asked of me and Last, if your ISO wall doesn't even mention them? you're only giving pop quizzes to look busy. mentoring on the side.
I've already talked about how Last's answers pushed me towards scumfeels on him. I even asked you what you thought about them. I also specifically said this:
Let's approach things from a different angle. People pushing/questioning you for your reads has turned out badly. People pushing/questioning you for your actions has turned out badly. People voting you has turned out particularly badly. So... what can we go with? Oh! I think Grapefruit might have given me a good answer back whenever that was... Hmm…
The Grapefruit point was referring to:
To my knowledge Osie is just a very active player who enjoys the social side of mafia.
And, well, while I am all for the game mechanics, this is also true.
You've talked about how you like reading people's self-meta. Asking people questions that might not always seem hugely relevant is basically my version of that. If I get an idea of someone's personality, I can use that to interpret the motives behind their posts. If someone is acting defensive, but then backs off, knowing more about that person can make the difference between recognizing the tells correctly and misinterpreting them.
I'll have to review who is voting me, but I don't believe there has been much significant change in my reads except that I suspect Iso less and D_V more and I have lost some confidence in Osieorb.
because this just feels so ez @phraze like there are so many variables at play here... I was hoping Jenna would stop with this split personlity bs before the end of the day, but she never did... She never caught up, when she had ample time, like I just dont get it... Its almost as if she wants to get lynched...
again with my other username lmao
if Jenna is scum she's trying to go first so her better teammates can survive.
if Jenna is town then gg...we have a lot of gamethrowers here~
yknow me, I can't deal with gamethrowers. ****
Get your head in the game and stop being so defensive everytime someone questions you. These were less than 30 posts apart. You literally preemptively accused town for lynching who you were voting for.
And powerwolfing is a thing, wine is a thing, there are any number of reasons Wisp's buddies might choose to defend him. Again my read is mostly just that he's scummy as on his on and we can figure the rest out later. It's D1 we don't need a full solve.
@Osie #2918
Jenna explained that her NO LYNCH was just UNVOTING.
if you think that was coaching you.. my apologies.
for clarification, that was me pointing out why I am "not convinced" you are town. they were what led me to think you're mafia. I wasn't attempting to control the way you played or posted, but give pointers to my thought process.
what you've posted that you consider activity, you never factored into your ISO wall. why did you ISO everyone only to get Dawn/Last for scum? I'm sure we had enough information at 1200 posts (your cut-off point) to get a good read on things.
You've talked about how you like reading people's self-meta. Asking people questions that might not always seem hugely relevant is basically my version of that. If I get an idea of someone's personality, I can use that to interpret the motives behind their posts. If someone is acting defensive, but then backs off, knowing more about that person can make the difference between recognizing the tells correctly and misinterpreting them.
if you had such a version of questioning meta, why were you in the dark about my questioning methods? someone with a similar playstyle should be able to see the echo of another similar playstyle. you should've seen the logic in my questioning of self-meta long before asking me about it. that just means you questioned for the sake of questioning (unless..you're just not good at phrasing it).
Are you implying that I rolled scum with you? The only games I've played with you are when we are both scum. Is that the statistical impossibility you were referring to? Is this a scum slip!?
Is THIS a scum slip?
(I don't think that either player scum slipped.)
is this a scum slip that you know theyre both town?
DBS, what game have you played in with Grape as scum?
Starship Epiphron or alien game, which we were talking about for quite a while. I died N1 so I never had much firsthand experience with him.
wait, I thought you said you did, so you could recognize his scum meta? I'm mobile right now, so I can't pull the quote.
I've played with scum!Grapefruit in that game, but was killed N1. I get a fairly good read on someone if I've interacted with them long enough, regardless of alignment - I think this applies to all of us at some point. moreover, he's in the category of players I can read better, in that....they're not good at faking things. sooo yeah, I'm sure about him.
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what you've posted that you consider activity, you never factored into your ISO wall. why did you ISO everyone only to get Dawn/Last for scum? I'm sure we had enough information at 1200 posts (your cut-off point) to get a good read on things.
Killjoy asked me for my reads. I was not as confident in my reads on a number of people as I would have liked to be. So I was rereading them anyways, and I went for the larger reread since it wasn't hugely different. It was a way to refocus myself. It put the number of people with whom I was more comfortable higher (I feel like I'm repeating myself here a bit). It was (not completely intentionally) a way to refocus other people:
I figured that it was at least partially my post with ISOs of nearly everyone that pushed the game forward, out of solely focusing on Dawning. Maybe I was giving myself too much credit, though.
if you had such a version of questioning meta, why were you in the dark about my questioning methods? someone with a similar playstyle should be able to see the echo of another similar playstyle. you should've seen the logic in my questioning of self-meta long before asking me about it. that just means you questioned for the sake of questioning (unless..you're just not good at phrasing it).
Meta, Playstyle, Personality are distinct to me. A misunderstanding can also just be that. My process is also still a work in progress, as I'm sure you are familiar with given the similar amounts of experience with the game at least on forums.
if you want to live off what I say, where is your originality? again..unless you're not good at phrasing it.
There's so many ways I could provide a joking answer to this, but I won't.
I'm more just pointing out to you that if you're questioning me in a manner that you've previously frowned upon, how much of a leg do you have to stand on with making a read based on it? Note: I'm not actually opposed to being questioned in whatever way you would like, but I don't particularly care for hypocrisy.
this is bull*****
iver read your iso
its not ******* in there
your reasons for scumreading jenna are all but entirely that she doesnt make sense.
there is not a single look at motivation in there. or interactions.
its just "she doesnt make sense" "her reads are bad" and "shes in catchup mode"
you have no ******* reasoning
this is bull*****
iver read your iso
its not ******* in there
your reasons for scumreading jenna are all but entirely that she doesnt make sense.
there is not a single look at motivation in there. or interactions.
its just "she doesnt make sense" "her reads are bad" and "shes in catchup mode"
you have no ******* reasoning
anddd @Grapefruit
I've always given the benefit of doubt if meta is the main reason I scumread someone. takes the fun out of the game imo (and too easy). if you look at my past games, I've always detested meta as the main reason to read someone, even if someone is positively scum by meta. the only thing I think meta is good for, is to quicken the processing speed of reading someone - skipping over the getting-to-know stage and on to solid play. but overall.. I feel like your commitment to this game has been weak, enough to be a scumtell.
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@Osie #2933
even if your reads were weak, shouldn't you have still voiced what you felt? others could've helped you to piece the puzzle together.
ok, that's a good explanation.
I've mentioned it before, but I only return the favor. I'm not so much as hypocritical as I'm vengeful -not a mafia term- lol.
we all play how we want, but as I have been cornered for playing how I usually do, I have compromised by making myself more agreeable. if I had to compromise, you should as well..or I will have to point it out to you.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
I thought you were in stray dogs as well. Though I did replace out of that one. If that's it terry has a good point.
Did you also say you've looked me up on MU with their ISO features? Because that would partially explain it.
I wasn't around during that time (took a long hiatus).
and yes, I'm still trying to get the hang of that site.. lol
Clarify on MU and here what scum games have you read of mine?
And you attacking my commitment to this game is a joke. An absolute joke. That combined with saying that you give benefit of the doubt when meta is your main reason to scum read but have wanted my lynch more than anything based heavily on meta makes me want to reevaluate my town read on you.
Jenna hard-incriminates LW/tom/Az as scum with a possible secondary of LnGrR/osi. As I've stated multiple times.
I couldn't find it, though I admittedly didn't scour every post you've made. Could you point me to the spot where you explained or just re-explain why Jenna implicates Tom?
no
hes got nothing
hes literally never posted about it i read his iso, like, yesterday
i assume a me/jenna connection is because im defending her
except, im really not just shading her wagon in a way that... probably doesnt do much to keep her from getting lynched tbh and makes me look bad if she flips scum and frankly theres no way anyone thats really thinking about it concludes that im scum with jenna
though now someone can quote this post if she does flip scum so thats fun
Also I find Jenna baffling for people to say they are posting "Helpful" comments.
I haven't seen a single Jenna scum hunting comment.
I've seen Jenna read people as scum for no reason.
I've seen Jenna mark someone who was replaced as a Town player.
wait who is saying that?
im, like, jenna's biggest defender and im 100% sure i havent called her "helpful"
At least one person has said that. Not 100% sure who. Maybe it was Shin?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
But hey, if you want to follow Iso towards lynching someone who actually probably won't even claim in her own defense today, feel free. Because Iso's not being a hypocritical scummy dude at all by trying to push for her lynch today, over tomorrow, when we would have plenty of time to force her to claim and barrage her with mean, nasty questions. In the remote event that Jenna is weird town, this wagon is a tragedy waiting to happen, and it's the kind of loose, reckless, and irresponsible play that should never be allowed. But don't take my word for it, take Iso's, when he complained about me supposedly doing the same thing to him.
Dawn, you aren't making any sense. You say coaching is bad and then you turn around and are basically coaching me. What's up? Also, what information do you think we get from the grapefruit Lynch and do you think we don't get as much information as I described from the Jenna Lynch?
please explain to me how I am coaching you? I'm only pointing out the facts on why I scumread you. mentoring is fine, if it doesn't take up your scumhunting time. if playing mentor is the only thing you do in this game, it's bad. I've seen some non-mentoring posts from you, but they're fluff or have nothing to do with sorting alignments.
what was the use of those questionnaires you asked of me and Last, if your ISO wall doesn't even mention them? you're only giving pop quizzes to look busy. mentoring on the side.
and he said that the questionaires made me look scummy lmao... because I answered them truthfully haha
Dawn, you aren't making any sense. You say coaching is bad and then you turn around and are basically coaching me. What's up? Also, what information do you think we get from the grapefruit Lynch and do you think we don't get as much information as I described from the Jenna Lynch?
please explain to me how I am coaching you? I'm only pointing out the facts on why I scumread you. mentoring is fine, if it doesn't take up your scumhunting time. if playing mentor is the only thing you do in this game, it's bad. I've seen some non-mentoring posts from you, but they're fluff or have nothing to do with sorting alignments.
what was the use of those questionnaires you asked of me and Last, if your ISO wall doesn't even mention them? you're only giving pop quizzes to look busy. mentoring on the side.
and he said that the questionaires made me look scummy lmao... because I answered them truthfully haha
You keep telling us how much better you are than the rest of us and accusing us of being game throwers. You lead something for a change.
you sound as much like a broken record as I do... just as me saying im town, proves nothing in your eyes, you saying I have imaginary scum buddies isnt doing much. Where are you taking my scum game from? Robot Mafia?
So it's like this, Jenna (and I'm grossly paraphrasing here)
Me: Jenna is being useless
You: You are a liar
Multiple other people: Jenna is being useless
You: (tumbleweeds)
And I'm fairly sure that I wasn't nearly the first person to say your posting was useless. Like, I wasn't voting you for a long time. I had you in the "I have no idea" box, while other people were actively voting for you. And then I got tired of the shtick. And tired of you playing so far from behind. It seemed like a very easy thing for a scum you to do to essentially active lurk your way into D2.
You are only, just now, starting to talk in real time. And slightly more coherently. So let's talk.
Who do you want to lynch now? And why?
Vote: Axrael
You've never expressed a town read on him so he can't be pocketing you, but then again you're acting like he's a town read despite having him as a scum read so maybe he has. Or maybe you're just scum who can't keep a story straight. And I've been bringing a variety of points and arguments against you. Hardly repeating myself. Your main defense is "lol but I'm town"
I don't have a strong grasp on who else is scum, only speculated because DBS asked me to.
And yeah I was referring to robot mafia there mainly. Though I have read other scum games of yours. Filter is not a tell for you imo.
Ax real.
We are getting trolled.
if Last was scum, why would any of his teammates try to defend him, when they could easily bus him? I'm sure Azrael knows better than to defend Last, if they were partners. if you have no one to pin a team on with Last, why do you even want him lynched? you're looking for a team, not a person.
Be grateful, always."
Someone acting intentionally cryptic is anti-town. Someone voting based on OMGUS is anti-town. Someone voting no lynch day 1 when there exists no good reason to do so is anti-town.
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You want to know what feels like a waste of my time? Counting the percentage of my own posts which are actually fluff.
29/364 = ~7.97%
And posts that are not fluff specifically but inherently might not do enough to further the game or could be considered to be solely in the coachy/rulesy side of things (May have double counted once or twice)
70/364 = 19.23%
That leaves:
265/364 = 72.80%
I still have at least 265 productive posts (and I argue that a number of the posts in the second category are still productive), which is still more than the vast majority of the thread. Can you definitively say that the percentage of your posts which are productive is higher than mine? Can you even definitively say that the NUMBER of your posts which are productive is higher than mine?
I wouldn't be surprised if I can accurately quote (well, technically paraphrase due to gender) Kpaca's statement from Revolution:
"I've accomplished twice as much this game as you have, amiga."
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I've already talked about how Last's answers pushed me towards scumfeels on him. I even asked you what you thought about them. I also specifically said this:
The Grapefruit point was referring to:
And, well, while I am all for the game mechanics, this is also true.
You've talked about how you like reading people's self-meta. Asking people questions that might not always seem hugely relevant is basically my version of that. If I get an idea of someone's personality, I can use that to interpret the motives behind their posts. If someone is acting defensive, but then backs off, knowing more about that person can make the difference between recognizing the tells correctly and misinterpreting them.
Basically, I'm saying:
No, because you used them to further an agenda.
Be grateful, always."
I don't think that there's going to be enough momentum...
*Cough* OMGUS *Cough*
Get your head in the game and stop being so defensive everytime someone questions you. These were less than 30 posts apart. You literally preemptively accused town for lynching who you were voting for.
And powerwolfing is a thing, wine is a thing, there are any number of reasons Wisp's buddies might choose to defend him. Again my read is mostly just that he's scummy as on his on and we can figure the rest out later. It's D1 we don't need a full solve.
he was SK in mindscrew though, and his "i know how this setup is gonna work" thing gives me mild flashbacks
but if hes powerwolfing my reads are way off
Jenna explained that her NO LYNCH was just UNVOTING.
if you think that was coaching you.. my apologies.
for clarification, that was me pointing out why I am "not convinced" you are town. they were what led me to think you're mafia. I wasn't attempting to control the way you played or posted, but give pointers to my thought process.
what you've posted that you consider activity, you never factored into your ISO wall. why did you ISO everyone only to get Dawn/Last for scum? I'm sure we had enough information at 1200 posts (your cut-off point) to get a good read on things.
if you had such a version of questioning meta, why were you in the dark about my questioning methods? someone with a similar playstyle should be able to see the echo of another similar playstyle. you should've seen the logic in my questioning of self-meta long before asking me about it. that just means you questioned for the sake of questioning (unless..you're just not good at phrasing it).
if you want to live off what I say, where is your originality? again..unless you're not good at phrasing it.
Be grateful, always."
I thought you were in stray dogs as well. Though I did replace out of that one. If that's it terry has a good point.
Did you also say you've looked me up on MU with their ISO features? Because that would partially explain it.
Be grateful, always."
and yes, I'm still trying to get the hang of that site.. lol
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Killjoy asked me for my reads. I was not as confident in my reads on a number of people as I would have liked to be. So I was rereading them anyways, and I went for the larger reread since it wasn't hugely different. It was a way to refocus myself. It put the number of people with whom I was more comfortable higher (I feel like I'm repeating myself here a bit). It was (not completely intentionally) a way to refocus other people:
Meta, Playstyle, Personality are distinct to me. A misunderstanding can also just be that. My process is also still a work in progress, as I'm sure you are familiar with given the similar amounts of experience with the game at least on forums.
There's so many ways I could provide a joking answer to this, but I won't.
I'm more just pointing out to you that if you're questioning me in a manner that you've previously frowned upon, how much of a leg do you have to stand on with making a read based on it? Note: I'm not actually opposed to being questioned in whatever way you would like, but I don't particularly care for hypocrisy.
iver read your iso
its not ******* in there
your reasons for scumreading jenna are all but entirely that she doesnt make sense.
there is not a single look at motivation in there. or interactions.
its just "she doesnt make sense" "her reads are bad" and "shes in catchup mode"
you have no ******* reasoning
Know? Nah. Believe it to be likely? Sure.
I've always given the benefit of doubt if meta is the main reason I scumread someone. takes the fun out of the game imo (and too easy). if you look at my past games, I've always detested meta as the main reason to read someone, even if someone is positively scum by meta. the only thing I think meta is good for, is to quicken the processing speed of reading someone - skipping over the getting-to-know stage and on to solid play. but overall.. I feel like your commitment to this game has been weak, enough to be a scumtell.
Be grateful, always."
Okay, you used them to further someone's desire, maybe it was your own, maybe it was someone else's.
im, like, jenna's biggest defender and im 100% sure i havent called her "helpful"
yeah its omgus
seems just like lashing out though
even if your reads were weak, shouldn't you have still voiced what you felt? others could've helped you to piece the puzzle together.
ok, that's a good explanation.
I've mentioned it before, but I only return the favor. I'm not so much as hypocritical as I'm vengeful -not a mafia term- lol.
we all play how we want, but as I have been cornered for playing how I usually do, I have compromised by making myself more agreeable. if I had to compromise, you should as well..or I will have to point it out to you.
Be grateful, always."
Clarify on MU and here what scum games have you read of mine?
And you attacking my commitment to this game is a joke. An absolute joke. That combined with saying that you give benefit of the doubt when meta is your main reason to scum read but have wanted my lynch more than anything based heavily on meta makes me want to reevaluate my town read on you.
hes literally never posted about it i read his iso, like, yesterday
i assume a me/jenna connection is because im defending her
except, im really not just shading her wagon in a way that... probably doesnt do much to keep her from getting lynched tbh and makes me look bad if she flips scum and frankly theres no way anyone thats really thinking about it concludes that im scum with jenna
though now someone can quote this post if she does flip scum so thats fun
At least one person has said that. Not 100% sure who. Maybe it was Shin?
*thinking*