Iso is not claiming vig though, I didn't misinterpret anything.
??? was it not Iso that claimed he was vigi, and then placed his vote on dawn? and even if by some large misinterpretation of information, why does this constitute on me?
Ok i butchered that so Im replying to myself lol
??? was it not Iso that claimed he was vigi, and then placed his vote on dawn? and even if by some large misinterpretation of information I got the name wrong, why does this constitute a vote on me?
Iso retracted the claim immediately! This has been said multiple times, including in the og post of this quote chain! I have trouble believing that you still missed that.
ok so obviously i didnt recall that, so if everyone else knew that, how would my push even go through? did you even think of that?
??? was it not Iso that claimed he was vigi, and then placed his vote on dawn? and even if by some large misinterpretation of information, why does this constitute on me?
Ok i butchered that so Im replying to myself lol
??? was it not Iso that claimed he was vigi, and then placed his vote on dawn? and even if by some large misinterpretation of information I got the name wrong, why does this constitute a vote on me?
Iso retracted the claim immediately! This has been said multiple times, including in the og post of this quote chain! I have trouble believing that you still missed that.
ok so obviously i didnt recall that, so if everyone else knew that, how would my push even go through? did you even think of that?
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY NOT REMEMBER THAT
uhhm I forgot? whats worse, someone who forgets, or someone who doesnt read their pm before claiming someone is scum for claiming your role. Either way I get it, I was wrong...
??? was it not Iso that claimed he was vigi, and then placed his vote on dawn? and even if by some large misinterpretation of information, why does this constitute on me?
Ok i butchered that so Im replying to myself lol
??? was it not Iso that claimed he was vigi, and then placed his vote on dawn? and even if by some large misinterpretation of information I got the name wrong, why does this constitute a vote on me?
Iso retracted the claim immediately! This has been said multiple times, including in the og post of this quote chain! I have trouble believing that you still missed that.
ok so obviously i didnt recall that, so if everyone else knew that, how would my push even go through? did you even think of that?
Wait u really didnt remember that?
... if i remembered that then why would I keep bringing up that there couldnt be two vigilantes...
@Iso, sure, on the surface my ability is to catch scum/scum lying. But that requires a lot of hoops to jump through. First, scum have to be paired (or a townie that as subsequently the NK). Then I have to target a person who is lying. Third, they have to out that info in the thread.
I choose to believe that my role is not this useless.
@Iso, sure, on the surface my ability is to catch scum/scum lying. But that requires a lot of hoops to jump through. First, scum have to be paired (or a townie that as subsequently the NK). Then I have to target a person who is lying. Third, they have to out that info in the thread.
I choose to believe that my role is not this useless.
I think you're a sort of vanilla with the possibility to be useful.
Also now that I see Axel's list I know I'm not 100% crazy.
@Iso, sure, on the surface my ability is to catch scum/scum lying. But that requires a lot of hoops to jump through. First, scum have to be paired (or a townie that as subsequently the NK). Then I have to target a person who is lying. Third, they have to out that info in the thread.
I choose to believe that my role is not this useless.
I think you're a sort of vanilla with the possibility to be useful.
Also now that I see Axel's list I know I'm not 100% crazy.
@dawn: We're a community that thrives on heavy analysis and information sorting. When somebody provides misinformation, it's a disservice to the town, because then the town has to scrutinize the accuracy of that information as well as question the credibility of the source in future instances of information. When somebody behaves the way that you have behaved all game, we have to take anything you say with a grain of salt because you've proven yourself to be so unable to provide a straight answer. It makes the game more difficult to solve, and when the issue is addressable through your own actions/playstyle, it causes town players to be resentful of your actions, because it detrimentally affects their ability to solve the game. Whenever somebody runs a gambit or botches their claim 5 times in a row, until that player proves their trustworthiness. Given our exchange, I have a fair more amount of trust in you than the average player in this game, which is why I hope you can take my word for it that the way you have been playing is detrimental to the town, which is why people have been so up-in-arms about locking you into your claim - you've proven to be a source of misinformation and drawn a lot of attention to yourself as a result of it, which is why people are clamoring for your head right now. Do you understand?
understand that. those I played with tend to suspect me being deliberate about my actions.
explanation:
nobody is familiar with my playstyle and thinks pressuring me will help. no it doesn't, it backfires more than not. another thing, the basis for scumreading me was just...looking for pressure! in what way have I been detrimental to town? I only reacted to the pressure. are my posts still annoying? I hope not.
another thing, I resorted to claiming since I wanted to keep my role alive since it is very helpful to town, and there was enough speculation to begin outing claims (mainly BP talk). I'm generally against claiming and never see the point, but I'm PR this time. there was a time I refused to claim cop, and was lynched D1, but the setup was a semi-reveal - it was better for me to not mention my role. every other time, I have been VT and never found claiming a good option. regardless of VT or PR, it is never a good thing to claim. insisting for someone to claim, while not being familiar with their playstyle, is more scummy than not - and I acted under than presumption, which may come off as OMGUS.
now...
it shouldn't matter if someone's actions are detrimental to town, they're still town. I've dealt with such players before, and ended up having to sort my own team out more than the enemy team. if you think being anti-town is justification enough to lynch someone, it is anti-game. on the other site, there is a player with this mindset (with good intentions), but I really detest that way of thinking and had to prove my point more than once. it is elitist. I've seen policy lynches pulled on players who were anti-town by playstyle, and they rarely join in new games because of it. please don't ruin it for me. thanks.
if you have questions about my playstyle or actions, please ask. you shouldn't, in any way, attack someone over personal feelings and the desire to dictate how they should play.
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... if i remembered that then why would I keep bringing up that there couldnt be two vigilantes...
Iso wanted to CC but retracted with "just kidding" and we had a debate over how hypocritical his actions were. his reactions in that argument felt town to me.
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@Iso, sure, on the surface my ability is to catch scum/scum lying. But that requires a lot of hoops to jump through. First, scum have to be paired (or a townie that as subsequently the NK). Then I have to target a person who is lying. Third, they have to out that info in the thread.
I choose to believe that my role is not this useless.
I think you're a sort of vanilla with the possibility to be useful.
Also now that I see Axel's list I know I'm not 100% crazy.
@Iso, sure, on the surface my ability is to catch scum/scum lying. But that requires a lot of hoops to jump through. First, scum have to be paired (or a townie that as subsequently the NK). Then I have to target a person who is lying. Third, they have to out that info in the thread.
I choose to believe that my role is not this useless.
I think you're a sort of vanilla with the possibility to be useful.
Also now that I see Axel's list I know I'm not 100% crazy.
@tom: I was the one who said that about Jenna, and I thought it made her more likely to be scum. Can you show me what you mean about Grapefruit RE: LW?
so why does that make her scum?
and is that a real question about grape/lw?
@Iso, sure, on the surface my ability is to catch scum/scum lying. But that requires a lot of hoops to jump through. First, scum have to be paired (or a townie that as subsequently the NK). Then I have to target a person who is lying. Third, they have to out that info in the thread.
I choose to believe that my role is not this useless.
I think you're a sort of vanilla with the possibility to be useful.
Also now that I see Axel's list I know I'm not 100% crazy.
[@Last] Its the way shes implying she cant be lynched due to her role being so powerful.
something interesting here. you must be misunderstanding something, I never implied I can't be lynched. already foregone the possible usage of my role when I claimed, and I've already mentioned that few times - possible jinx, roleblocking, or lynch.
I am not salty about a previous game or else I would have been pushing you from game start. My read may be biased cause I find the way your playing really annoying and unfair for town, like how your assuming your claim alone should be reaosn enough for no one to touch you.
you've been so adamant at discrediting me that..it isn't even normal anymore. either you're scum pushing me, or just salty. from your behavior, I'd say you're town. you even mentioned waiting for my vote on you - and I did so to prove my point.
read above, I never said I shouldn't be lynched. in fact, I even offered to have myself lynched for information. my claim still stands..I am town.
Someone is lieing about their ability costs, because if mine cost 4 and a vig shot costs 1 something just aint right.
there is a chance we're in a game where roles are meant to give and receive. I've been trying to figure that out for a while. [[urlhttp://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-1-welcome-to-my-kingdom?comment=1919]refer to this[/url]] I doubt the BP system is as simple as Betray scum and Ally with town.
[to me saying I wasn't a shining example of town] No you have not lol, your claim was not done right
does that mean you ARE townreading me due to that mess? then why did you keep pushing me about it? as I said, it looks like you're having some offgame qualm with me.
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Dear DBS,
Please confirm that you have been forthcoming with all the details of your role and if you believe that you are the only role blocker and vig in this game. Not combined, bit the only player with each of those abilities. I need you to answer this fully and honestly.
As the person here probably best able to read D_V, how likely do you think it is that he was attempting to pocket people, including myself, earlier on in the game?
Do #353 and #403 come from town!D_V?
Is town!D_V paranoid enough of you to make 65, 161, 177?
I've been reading some D_V posts as town in part because of some of his frustration and aggression. But there's a decent amount of wagon hopping, moments that feel like pocketing, and the aggression would normally be something I might read as scummy.
I still dislike that getting this information out of DBS was like pulling teeth and that she was deceptive, and it was someone else (Terry?) who actually laid it out in a comprehensible fashion.
it wouldn't have been so hard if you knew how I play. you should have asked about how I play, self-meta is better than no meta, before jumping to conclusions. I only fished for reactions, and tend to do that all the time. it is annoying, but you'll learn to appreciate it~
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Dear DBS,
Please confirm that you have been forthcoming with all the details of your role and if you believe that you are the only role blocker and vig in this game. Not combined, bit the only player with each of those abilities. I need you to answer this fully and honestly.
Thank you!
yes, I gave everything I know. paraphrased.
Proph had mentioned Bur's setups never have 2 of the same role, so I would assume I'm the only roleblocker and vig here. there is the offchance Bur made changes in his hosting meta. time will tell. I'm sure mafia have some intercepting ability though, or it would be too easy for the vig (who is me). I was hoping to find that interceptor before giving out my roleblocker claim.
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As the person here probably best able to read D_V, how likely do you think it is that he was attempting to pocket people, including myself, earlier on in the game?
Do #353 and #403 come from town!D_V?
Is town!D_V paranoid enough of you to make 65, 161, 177?
I've been reading some D_V posts as town in part because of some of his frustration and aggression. But there's a decent amount of wagon hopping, moments that feel like pocketing, and the aggression would normally be something I might read as scummy.
Dear DBS,
Please confirm that you have been forthcoming with all the details of your role and if you believe that you are the only role blocker and vig in this game. Not combined, bit the only player with each of those abilities. I need you to answer this fully and honestly.
Thank you!
yes, I gave everything I know. paraphrased.
Proph had mentioned Bur's setups never have 2 of the same role, so I would assume I'm the only roleblocker and vig here. there is the offchance Bur made changes in his hosting meta. time will tell. I'm sure mafia have some intercepting ability though, or it would be too easy for the vig (who is me). I was hoping to find that interceptor before giving out my roleblocker claim.
Then how come you have a bunch of posts talking about your fear of being reblocked?
As the person here probably best able to read D_V, how likely do you think it is that he was attempting to pocket people, including myself, earlier on in the game?
Do #353 and #403 come from town!D_V?
Is town!D_V paranoid enough of you to make 65, 161, 177?
I've been reading some D_V posts as town in part because of some of his frustration and aggression. But there's a decent amount of wagon hopping, moments that feel like pocketing, and the aggression would normally be something I might read as scummy.
What are your thoughts?
when did I become the resident dv expert?
I don't feel good about that at all.
He's hitting some towndv markers.
That vote movement you mentioned makes sense in flow. As does his aggression I think?
I think context is probably the most important part of reading him?
Idk I think he's town aorn but I'm not done waffling yet
Dear DBS,
Please confirm that you have been forthcoming with all the details of your role and if you believe that you are the only role blocker and vig in this game. Not combined, bit the only player with each of those abilities. I need you to answer this fully and honestly.
Thank you!
yes, I gave everything I know. paraphrased.
Proph had mentioned Bur's setups never have 2 of the same role, so I would assume I'm the only roleblocker and vig here. there is the offchance Bur made changes in his hosting meta. time will tell. I'm sure mafia have some intercepting ability though, or it would be too easy for the vig (who is me). I was hoping to find that interceptor before giving out my roleblocker claim.
Then how come you have a bunch of posts talking about your fear of being reblocked?
this: "I'm sure mafia have some intercepting ability"
I'm sure they have some kind of ability to nullify the vigshot. either ability, or some are immune to vigshots. it would be too easy to make me the only vig + roleblocker, since I would be able to shoot safely, knowing I'm the only interceptor.
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can we not make this an OMGUS battle? it's possible the scumteam are sitting back while letting town eat itself alive.
first of all, lol coming from you
Second, what's your theory for that team?
I scumread those who jumped on me after claiming, since going after a PR when there are so many who haven't claimed is really scummy. I mentioned that before lel.. using my claim to fish, more or less.
my theory is..they're just pushing all the obvious (surface) scumreads here and there, and let the others go in for the kill. for this, I would say Grapefruit - who pushed my claim - and Jenna - who tried to push Shinichi. Megiddo especially hasn't posted much, so he could be the reserve for endgame.
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if you say so. I'm not an idiot even if I'm new to this community. as tempting as it is to gamethrow, I will do my best to help until my lynch is decided.
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@LnGrrrR
I hope you can answer this.. what do you think of Grapefruit pushing your lynch ever since his first post?
and are you still gamethrowing? I hope you have calmed down by now. please replace out if you refuse to be in a game where I won't be lynched. I'm not a fan of hate-lynches.
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I am familiar with LW's town and scum game. And this doesn't feel like either of them due to how focused he's been on defending DBS. Initially I had some town vibes from him and felt like DBS was attempting to pocket him. But with the way the majority of his posts for the past 72 hours have been playing hard defense for DBS I don't know what to make of it, none of this fits his meta either way. It's why I really want him to clarify his reasoning for town reading DBS.
can you explain to me why you're so adamant at mentioning my defense of Last? Shinichi asked me about it, which I explained, and it's because I know Last is an easily mistaken player - I love the a good challenge. for better elaboration, I'm expanding my range for reading off reactions - watch those who interact with someone I side, or accuse me for it, and watch what mindset it comes from.
what is the definition of pocketing? if you mean I side Last, the reasons are stated above. if you want Last to clarify his reasonings of defending, why aren't you questioning him actively? why is it only me? looks to me you're just commenting for the sake of commenting.
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Lngrrr what do you expect to accomplish by threatening to vote yourself? If you're willing to lynch Last whisper regardless of dawning, why not just lynch Last Whisper first?
that's a good question lol
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I am familiar with LW's town and scum game. And this doesn't feel like either of them due to how focused he's been on defending DBS. Initially I had some town vibes from him and felt like DBS was attempting to pocket him. But with the way the majority of his posts for the past 72 hours have been playing hard defense for DBS I don't know what to make of it, none of this fits his meta either way. It's why I really want him to clarify his reasoning for town reading DBS.
And tom I think that goes a long way to explaining my weirdness on that read. I have him down as town minus the hard buddying with DBS but that's kind of been his entire game for the past however long so I'm perplexed.
how 'perplexed' are you? LnG has been your fallback this entire time, so I'm sure you are still in your right mind. you spectated that game where me and Last went into LyLo, so I'm sure you know where this trust stems from. aren't you just whiteknighting Last?
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So your saying his case seems faked? Which I do not believe in the slightest espically when the opinion comes from someone who he also has been getting bad vibes from. Another thing whats wrong with having town points in an iso or case? Your telling me when you build either of those 2 you don't finnd posts that strike as town? Finding the posts that outweigh the good ones are the best way to find scum. If he had not gone back n forth reading him as town and scum in the case I would be quite worried.
How the **** is that even a point?
Did you seriously just say "you pointed out his case is "fake" but I don't believe you because KJ said he was getting bad vibes from you." In what logical world does that make any sense at all.
No theres nothing wrong with the posts that strike as town. You clearly don't understand what I meant. What I said was if you read his plain English and assign a +1 for town +0 for neutral -1 for scum and ignore his *****ty color coding that doesn't even match what is being said, then you end up with +1 townie points.
D_V, calm down. Please.
As I was saying, it's not always clear when your aggression is personality-wise or scummy.
The pages recently before, during, and somewhat after my hiatus of sorts had a number of posts from, in particular, you, D_V, and Iso that completely broke any feeling of the gamer's circle. (Or whatever you want to call it.) I want this to continue on, but I also want to be able to participate without the feeling that some players are just going to act as jerks, for lack of an appropriate stronger term.
This post was me stepping out of my role as a player, but you weren't exactly looking great to me at this point beyond that…
Can the people who I'm town reading in here start a wagon so I can join it.
Because if a mass day vig was a thing I'd kill like every poster that has been posting for the last hour.
Don't know if you're still town reading me, but I'm relatively comfortable at this point on:
Vote: LnGrrrR
Why do you follow me onto a wagon if you were not townreading me? Why do you even present information that way instead of just STARTING YOUR OWN WAGON?
@Iso, sure, on the surface my ability is to catch scum/scum lying. But that requires a lot of hoops to jump through. First, scum have to be paired (or a townie that as subsequently the NK). Then I have to target a person who is lying. Third, they have to out that info in the thread.
I choose to believe that my role is not this useless.
I think you're a sort of vanilla with the possibility to be useful.
Also now that I see Axel's list I know I'm not 100% crazy.
Unvote Vote Azreal
Come on boys you know you want to.
Ehh, not really.
You're voting for someone who's mostly been scumread by people you've been scumreading. You're also trying to start a new wagon when we need to start narrowing down people, not adding them.
@axel SHOULD az have done something townie by now?
Uh, yes?
I mean, it’s not that hard. To the best of my recollection Az hasn’t even tried. There’s a bit of meta here in as much as I’m more used to seeing him take the lead and he’s mainly following right now, but that isn’t everything.
I also very much disliked the recent mod gaming based on Bur apparently saying this was going to be like an Az game so what would “I” do kind of thing.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
This was my ISO of D_V up to post 1200, weighing in that I've played with/against him before and that I've seen a number of his games. I also intend to make one not weighing that in:
I've been waiting for this... Prediction (because it's D_V):
D_V is scum.
I'm only joking. Not 100% sure, though I've mostly been townreading D_V this game. Anyways, here we go...
#12 - It does look like Meg! NAI RVS vote.
#16 - I like this reaction.
#65 - Hmm. I think D_V's rampant fear of Tom makes this NAI.
#68 - NAI at worst.
#96 - Well, partners are known. I'm intrigued by the Terry-Azrael link.
#114 - He ignores Azrael's second question. Mindmeld on Terry at the time. NAI response to Killjoy. Overall… Okay?
#115 - Azrael didn't like this post. I think it's probably okay.
#157 - Not sure what he means here with his question to Tom, so at the moment this is NAI. I'll see if this is explained later.
#161 - I think that I like the Tom paranoia. I'm not so certain that D_V not focusing on meta is the case…
#164 - Ah, classic D_V. Acerbic and calling people out.
#170 - Ah, classic D_V. Acerbic and calling people dumb.
#173 - Good question.
#177 - I don't think Tom had really put in zero effort at this point of things. I'm biased about the post as a whole, though, so
#204 - I think this is an overreaction. I think given who it's from, it's NAI, but concerning.
#205 - I… like this post?
#212 - Normally I don't like posts that just say "I'm town," and this is no exception. But it is a good read. I'm not sure, so I guess NAI.
#219, #222 - I liked this. A lot. Does D_V bother to be this helpful/useful as scum?
#224 - NAI misunderstanding.
#233 - Very reasonable read of Phoenix.
#234 - This could go either way. From D_V, I think it's NAI or slight town.
#238 - This is a good prod at me to explain better.
#241 - Ah, classic D_V… NAI, I think.
#252, #255 - NAI or fluff.
#256 - Ooh. Spicy. I like it. This doesn't usually come from scum, I think.
#260 - NAI at best. Probably legit.
#270 - I think he's being truthful here, though I don't like the setup gaming.
#275 - Again, I don't think this is as likely to come from scum as it is to come from town.
#283, #312 - I chuckled. NAI since it's D_V.
#326, 328 - Inherently NAI.
#333 - Good thoughts, good questioning.
#335 - This feels very genuine. +Townfeels.
#339 - NAI or slight town.
#353 - This is a reasonable point in that the game has other factors and is iterative. I think D_V also doesn't do this as scum.
#392, #397 - He's not wrong in the first post. I think he misinterpreted Azrael's post, but I don't think it was intentional. Also… Ah, classic D_V…
#403 - I don't think that D_V responds this way as scum, in the vast majority of this post, and the post as a whole. I like the commenting on the strange interaction between KJ and LW.
#404, 407 - Meh, lol. Reading this as NAI.
#410 - Ah, classic D_V… I like the question here.
#412 - I don't like this vote; it kinda feels a bit stilted. But it's understandable.
#417 - I get like half of LW's post, so I'm on the same page as D_V. I think it's defending DBS throughout, though. D_V's post seems reasonable.
#421 - NAI, from D_V.
#429 - This interaction feels like two people shouting over each other.
#453 - Ah, finally realized the misinterpretation from earlier posts.
#454 - NAI, proving a point.
#461 - Good points, good reads, good post.
#478 - Ah, classic D_V… Sarcastic, but NAI, I think.
#479 - Asking around. Good.
#586 - Angry D_V is (probably?) town D_V.
#587 - Poking at KJ seems good.
#649 - NAI at worst.
#661 - Active angry D_V is (probably?) town D_V.
#662 - Biased on the later part, but I like this post.
#692 - Come on, guys! I'm the best around! This is possibly NAI for D_V.
#717 - Ah, classic D_V… I don't necessarily agree, but I see where he's coming from.
#735 - Tunneled hard. In a good way, I think.
#765 - This post comes off as weird in parts, good in others. I don't care for the later bit.
#766 - Angry D_V is generally town D_V. (And some good points.)
#811 - Mixed feelings here. I like the response to Dawning and the reasoning for the vote, but the rest of this post seem kinda ehh.
#821 - Ah, classic D_V… This is really obnoxious.
#823 - I don't dislike this vote.
#886 - This was somewhat my reasoning before the Vig claim.
#887 - I'd be frustrated too.
#888 - I don't know if I agree on LW, but definitely was feeling this way about DBS.
#897 - Dawning mentioned "associated me" a lot. This was roughly my thought on the matter.
#898 - There's a handful of players that get this tunneled into their convictions, and I'm trying to remember if D_V is definitely one of them or not.
#943 - NAI, correct.
#965 - Ah, classic D_V… I'm just going to move on here.
#1008 - Not the worst idea. Probably chasing down a rabbit hole.
#1031 - Grapefruit? Sure, I guess D_V's been scumreading Grapefruit. Weird vote.
#1042 - Apparently I'm wrong on this… I was always under the impression that was considered bastard. Hm.
#1051 - Starting fresh… HAVE SOME PRESSURE. Uhh…
#1166 - Good point towards Dawning.
Man, that was long. Lots of D_V being a jerk, but I guess I'm used to it by now. Heck, the more polite D_V acts, the more I tend to suspect him. All-in-all, I'm at a townlean, with some potential to move down. Still a bit of paranoia about being pocketed here.
I know I'm not being my typical productive self this game in the slightest, and that's also a self-admitted scum tell for me, as discussed many times. However, as I've also mentioned at various times in the past, I'm an attorney with my own practice. In the past 9 months, we've expanded that from a solo practice to having several employees and a new branch office. Also, I now have two kids, ages 1 and 2. So time to spare to PBPA people for an hour or two a pop is at a real premium right now, even on the weekends. It may even be that my PBPA days are a thing of the past now.
might be best for us to take a record of the BP claims and Betray/Ally lists.
if my theory is correct - that scum might have requirements - there will be scum in the Betray section, either from scum, or town who scumread someone who purposely acting shady.
this makes me doubt there is a Daychat, since the only way to communicate your ability requirement is to say it in the thread...and there has been plenty of those flying around - just enough for scum to know what their buddy needs.
ehh.. lazy to do that. but will keep a mental note of the claims so far.
Daychats probably don't exist. scum are communicating under our noses.
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@axel SHOULD az have done something townie by now?
Uh, yes?
I mean, it’s not that hard. To the best of my recollection Az hasn’t even tried. There’s a bit of meta here in as much as I’m more used to seeing him take the lead and he’s mainly following right now, but that isn’t everything.
I also very much disliked the recent mod gaming based on Bur apparently saying this was going to be like an Az game so what would “I” do kind of thing.
that's just it though.
He hasn't even tried.
Though the mod gaming thing does remind me of how he played sk in mindscrew with his extra setup knowledge so yeah that's noted
can we not make this an OMGUS battle? it's possible the scumteam are sitting back while letting town eat itself alive.
first of all, lol coming from you
Second, what's your theory for that team?
I scumread those who jumped on me after claiming, since going after a PR when there are so many who haven't claimed is really scummy. I mentioned that before lel.. using my claim to fish, more or less.
my theory is..they're just pushing all the obvious (surface) scumreads here and there, and let the others go in for the kill. for this, I would say Grapefruit - who pushed my claim - and Jenna - who tried to push Shinichi. Megiddo especially hasn't posted much, so he could be the reserve for endgame.
I think that is pretty muddied by how you went about claiming.
Like, I thought you were town all along until the claim amd surrounding fiasco.
Basically, why wouldn't other townies jump on you? I think it was reasonable.
can we not make this an OMGUS battle? it's possible the scumteam are sitting back while letting town eat itself alive.
first of all, lol coming from you
Second, what's your theory for that team?
I scumread those who jumped on me after claiming, since going after a PR when there are so many who haven't claimed is really scummy. I mentioned that before lel.. using my claim to fish, more or less.
my theory is..they're just pushing all the obvious (surface) scumreads here and there, and let the others go in for the kill. for this, I would say Grapefruit - who pushed my claim - and Jenna - who tried to push Shinichi. Megiddo especially hasn't posted much, so he could be the reserve for endgame.
I think that is pretty muddied by how you went about claiming.
Like, I thought you were town all along until the claim amd surrounding fiasco.
Basically, why wouldn't other townies jump on you? I think it was reasonable.
well, that's because I hate claiming. I wouldn't be claiming if I can, for some revenge on that week of interrogation, hold town hostage lol. I have my selfish moments. then again, at least it took a week of pressure for me to throw a tantrum, compared to LnG who flamed and hated after just one moment of being the lead train. maybe I have more patience than most, and cannot imagine the limitations a normal person can take.
yes I will admit it, I lashed out after a week of defending myself. is that wrong? I actually put up with a week of bull*****, and that is very generous already. moreover, I was forced to claim when I only softclaimed along with saying I hate claims. I have the right to be frustrated and give town, scum included, a taste of their own medicine. (so yeah, I'm a *****.) what you think of me is not what the collective town thinks of me.
of course. scum just has to pressure and point out some scummy things, and it is warranted. just because someone is scummy doesn't mean they're scum, it just means their defense is weak. you need to look beyond the weak defenses into the motives of both sides.
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Wait u really didnt remember that?
Hey! I carefully read my role PM.
Yeah, it was all like:
"You're town. You're the towniest town to ever town. Go do town things in the town.
By the way, here's an ability:
Neighborizer at dusk in your pair for the night for 1 BP.
Did I mention that you're town?"
I choose to believe that my role is not this useless.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I think you're a sort of vanilla with the possibility to be useful.
Also now that I see Axel's list I know I'm not 100% crazy.
Unvote Vote Azreal
Come on boys you know you want to.
Ehh, not really.
@Iso
understand that. those I played with tend to suspect me being deliberate about my actions.
explanation:
nobody is familiar with my playstyle and thinks pressuring me will help. no it doesn't, it backfires more than not. another thing, the basis for scumreading me was just...looking for pressure! in what way have I been detrimental to town? I only reacted to the pressure. are my posts still annoying? I hope not.
another thing, I resorted to claiming since I wanted to keep my role alive since it is very helpful to town, and there was enough speculation to begin outing claims (mainly BP talk). I'm generally against claiming and never see the point, but I'm PR this time. there was a time I refused to claim cop, and was lynched D1, but the setup was a semi-reveal - it was better for me to not mention my role. every other time, I have been VT and never found claiming a good option. regardless of VT or PR, it is never a good thing to claim. insisting for someone to claim, while not being familiar with their playstyle, is more scummy than not - and I acted under than presumption, which may come off as OMGUS.
now...
it shouldn't matter if someone's actions are detrimental to town, they're still town. I've dealt with such players before, and ended up having to sort my own team out more than the enemy team. if you think being anti-town is justification enough to lynch someone, it is anti-game. on the other site, there is a player with this mindset (with good intentions), but I really detest that way of thinking and had to prove my point more than once. it is elitist. I've seen policy lynches pulled on players who were anti-town by playstyle, and they rarely join in new games because of it. please don't ruin it for me. thanks.
if you have questions about my playstyle or actions, please ask. you shouldn't, in any way, attack someone over personal feelings and the desire to dictate how they should play.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Osie = scum.
Tom = scum.
See how easy it was to make a scum list.
Its Tom, Azreal, Osie and Grape.
You mean for the same reason that you're scum?
and is that a real question about grape/lw?
- latest readlist
- how I think the BP system works
Be grateful, always."
Nice deflection 10/10.
something interesting here. you must be misunderstanding something, I never implied I can't be lynched. already foregone the possible usage of my role when I claimed, and I've already mentioned that few times - possible jinx, roleblocking, or lynch.
you've been so adamant at discrediting me that..it isn't even normal anymore. either you're scum pushing me, or just salty. from your behavior, I'd say you're town. you even mentioned waiting for my vote on you - and I did so to prove my point.
read above, I never said I shouldn't be lynched. in fact, I even offered to have myself lynched for information. my claim still stands..I am town.
there is a chance we're in a game where roles are meant to give and receive. I've been trying to figure that out for a while. [[urlhttp://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-day-1-welcome-to-my-kingdom?comment=1919]refer to this[/url]] I doubt the BP system is as simple as Betray scum and Ally with town.
does that mean you ARE townreading me due to that mess? then why did you keep pushing me about it? as I said, it looks like you're having some offgame qualm with me.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Please confirm that you have been forthcoming with all the details of your role and if you believe that you are the only role blocker and vig in this game. Not combined, bit the only player with each of those abilities. I need you to answer this fully and honestly.
Thank you!
As the person here probably best able to read D_V, how likely do you think it is that he was attempting to pocket people, including myself, earlier on in the game?
Do #353 and #403 come from town!D_V?
Is town!D_V paranoid enough of you to make 65, 161, 177?
I've been reading some D_V posts as town in part because of some of his frustration and aggression. But there's a decent amount of wagon hopping, moments that feel like pocketing, and the aggression would normally be something I might read as scummy.
What are your thoughts?
it wouldn't have been so hard if you knew how I play. you should have asked about how I play, self-meta is better than no meta, before jumping to conclusions. I only fished for reactions, and tend to do that all the time. it is annoying, but you'll learn to appreciate it~
Be grateful, always."
Proph had mentioned Bur's setups never have 2 of the same role, so I would assume I'm the only roleblocker and vig here. there is the offchance Bur made changes in his hosting meta. time will tell. I'm sure mafia have some intercepting ability though, or it would be too easy for the vig (who is me). I was hoping to find that interceptor before giving out my roleblocker claim.
Be grateful, always."
See the moment I show suspicion he turns on me.
Osie is throwing dirt.
He's scum.
Be grateful, always."
I don't feel good about that at all.
He's hitting some towndv markers.
That vote movement you mentioned makes sense in flow. As does his aggression I think?
I think context is probably the most important part of reading him?
Idk I think he's town aorn but I'm not done waffling yet
Second, what's your theory for that team?
I'm sure they have some kind of ability to nullify the vigshot. either ability, or some are immune to vigshots. it would be too easy to make me the only vig + roleblocker, since I would be able to shoot safely, knowing I'm the only interceptor.
Be grateful, always."
my theory is..they're just pushing all the obvious (surface) scumreads here and there, and let the others go in for the kill. for this, I would say Grapefruit - who pushed my claim - and Jenna - who tried to push Shinichi. Megiddo especially hasn't posted much, so he could be the reserve for endgame.
Be grateful, always."
I hope you can answer this.. what do you think of Grapefruit pushing your lynch ever since his first post?
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
can you explain to me why you're so adamant at mentioning my defense of Last? Shinichi asked me about it, which I explained, and it's because I know Last is an easily mistaken player - I love the a good challenge. for better elaboration, I'm expanding my range for reading off reactions - watch those who interact with someone I side, or accuse me for it, and watch what mindset it comes from.
what is the definition of pocketing? if you mean I side Last, the reasons are stated above. if you want Last to clarify his reasonings of defending, why aren't you questioning him actively? why is it only me? looks to me you're just commenting for the sake of commenting.
Be grateful, always."
that's a good question lol
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Actually, this is just false. See:
#332 -
#338 -
#406 -
#413 -
(Wouldn't ask it in this manner if I didn't think it was not even a little bit possible.)
#693 -
This was to see if you would be consistent or not, have good reasoning, or trip up, as I suspected you might.
#767 -
It was important, hence why I repeated the question when you didn't answer.
#768 -
As I was saying, it's not always clear when your aggression is personality-wise or scummy.
#833 -
I was certainly open to the possibility of you being scum here...
#891 -
Your comment here was less than great, as I expressed, AND I had to repeat my question to you.
#900 -
Why tell me not to scumhunt?
#940 -
(Wouldn't ask it in this manner if I didn't think it was not even a little bit possible.)
#941 -
(Wouldn't comment on it in this manner if I didn't think it was not even a little bit possible.)
#1410 -
This post was me stepping out of my role as a player, but you weren't exactly looking great to me at this point beyond that…
#1701 -
Why do you follow me onto a wagon if you were not townreading me? Why do you even present information that way instead of just STARTING YOUR OWN WAGON?
#1911 -
You're voting for someone who's mostly been scumread by people you've been scumreading. You're also trying to start a new wagon when we need to start narrowing down people, not adding them.
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More thoughts to come.
I mean, it’s not that hard. To the best of my recollection Az hasn’t even tried. There’s a bit of meta here in as much as I’m more used to seeing him take the lead and he’s mainly following right now, but that isn’t everything.
I also very much disliked the recent mod gaming based on Bur apparently saying this was going to be like an Az game so what would “I” do kind of thing.
I've been waiting for this... Prediction (because it's D_V):
I'm only joking. Not 100% sure, though I've mostly been townreading D_V this game. Anyways, here we go...
#12 - It does look like Meg! NAI RVS vote.
#16 - I like this reaction.
#65 - Hmm. I think D_V's rampant fear of Tom makes this NAI.
#68 - NAI at worst.
#96 - Well, partners are known. I'm intrigued by the Terry-Azrael link.
#114 - He ignores Azrael's second question. Mindmeld on Terry at the time. NAI response to Killjoy. Overall… Okay?
#115 - Azrael didn't like this post. I think it's probably okay.
#157 - Not sure what he means here with his question to Tom, so at the moment this is NAI. I'll see if this is explained later.
#161 - I think that I like the Tom paranoia. I'm not so certain that D_V not focusing on meta is the case…
#164 - Ah, classic D_V. Acerbic and calling people out.
#170 - Ah, classic D_V. Acerbic and calling people dumb.
#173 - Good question.
#177 - I don't think Tom had really put in zero effort at this point of things. I'm biased about the post as a whole, though, so
#204 - I think this is an overreaction. I think given who it's from, it's NAI, but concerning.
#205 - I… like this post?
#212 - Normally I don't like posts that just say "I'm town," and this is no exception. But it is a good read. I'm not sure, so I guess NAI.
#219, #222 - I liked this. A lot. Does D_V bother to be this helpful/useful as scum?
#224 - NAI misunderstanding.
#233 - Very reasonable read of Phoenix.
#234 - This could go either way. From D_V, I think it's NAI or slight town.
#238 - This is a good prod at me to explain better.
#241 - Ah, classic D_V… NAI, I think.
#252, #255 - NAI or fluff.
#256 - Ooh. Spicy. I like it. This doesn't usually come from scum, I think.
#260 - NAI at best. Probably legit.
#270 - I think he's being truthful here, though I don't like the setup gaming.
#275 - Again, I don't think this is as likely to come from scum as it is to come from town.
#283, #312 - I chuckled. NAI since it's D_V.
#326, 328 - Inherently NAI.
#333 - Good thoughts, good questioning.
#335 - This feels very genuine. +Townfeels.
#339 - NAI or slight town.
#353 - This is a reasonable point in that the game has other factors and is iterative. I think D_V also doesn't do this as scum.
#392, #397 - He's not wrong in the first post. I think he misinterpreted Azrael's post, but I don't think it was intentional. Also… Ah, classic D_V…
#403 - I don't think that D_V responds this way as scum, in the vast majority of this post, and the post as a whole. I like the commenting on the strange interaction between KJ and LW.
#404, 407 - Meh, lol. Reading this as NAI.
#410 - Ah, classic D_V… I like the question here.
#412 - I don't like this vote; it kinda feels a bit stilted. But it's understandable.
#417 - I get like half of LW's post, so I'm on the same page as D_V. I think it's defending DBS throughout, though. D_V's post seems reasonable.
#421 - NAI, from D_V.
#429 - This interaction feels like two people shouting over each other.
#453 - Ah, finally realized the misinterpretation from earlier posts.
#454 - NAI, proving a point.
#461 - Good points, good reads, good post.
#478 - Ah, classic D_V… Sarcastic, but NAI, I think.
#479 - Asking around. Good.
#586 - Angry D_V is (probably?) town D_V.
#587 - Poking at KJ seems good.
#649 - NAI at worst.
#661 - Active angry D_V is (probably?) town D_V.
#662 - Biased on the later part, but I like this post.
#692 - Come on, guys! I'm the best around! This is possibly NAI for D_V.
#717 - Ah, classic D_V… I don't necessarily agree, but I see where he's coming from.
#735 - Tunneled hard. In a good way, I think.
#765 - This post comes off as weird in parts, good in others. I don't care for the later bit.
#766 - Angry D_V is generally town D_V. (And some good points.)
#811 - Mixed feelings here. I like the response to Dawning and the reasoning for the vote, but the rest of this post seem kinda ehh.
#821 - Ah, classic D_V… This is really obnoxious.
#823 - I don't dislike this vote.
#886 - This was somewhat my reasoning before the Vig claim.
#887 - I'd be frustrated too.
#888 - I don't know if I agree on LW, but definitely was feeling this way about DBS.
#897 - Dawning mentioned "associated me" a lot. This was roughly my thought on the matter.
#898 - There's a handful of players that get this tunneled into their convictions, and I'm trying to remember if D_V is definitely one of them or not.
#943 - NAI, correct.
#965 - Ah, classic D_V… I'm just going to move on here.
#1008 - Not the worst idea. Probably chasing down a rabbit hole.
#1031 - Grapefruit? Sure, I guess D_V's been scumreading Grapefruit. Weird vote.
#1042 - Apparently I'm wrong on this… I was always under the impression that was considered bastard. Hm.
#1051 - Starting fresh… HAVE SOME PRESSURE. Uhh…
#1166 - Good point towards Dawning.
Man, that was long. Lots of D_V being a jerk, but I guess I'm used to it by now. Heck, the more polite D_V acts, the more I tend to suspect him. All-in-all, I'm at a townlean, with some potential to move down. Still a bit of paranoia about being pocketed here.
dawningbluesky (3): Shinichi, LnGrrrR, Azrael
Lastwhisper (3): TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, tomsloger, Phoenix-Fire
Jenna Tolaria (1): Iso
LnGrrrR (1): dawningbluesky
osieorb18 (2): BluesEclipse, Killjoy
Iso (2): Lastwhisper, Jenna Tolaria
Azrael (1): D_V
Not Voting (4): Megiddo, Grapefruit21, Axelrod, osieorb18
With 17 alive, it’s 9 to lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, November 7th at 11.59 pm EST.
Be grateful, always."
if my theory is correct - that scum might have requirements - there will be scum in the Betray section, either from scum, or town who scumread someone who purposely acting shady.
this makes me doubt there is a Daychat, since the only way to communicate your ability requirement is to say it in the thread...and there has been plenty of those flying around - just enough for scum to know what their buddy needs.
ehh.. lazy to do that. but will keep a mental note of the claims so far.
Daychats probably don't exist. scum are communicating under our noses.
Be grateful, always."
He hasn't even tried.
Though the mod gaming thing does remind me of how he played sk in mindscrew with his extra setup knowledge so yeah that's noted
Like, I thought you were town all along until the claim amd surrounding fiasco.
Basically, why wouldn't other townies jump on you? I think it was reasonable.
yes I will admit it, I lashed out after a week of defending myself. is that wrong? I actually put up with a week of bull*****, and that is very generous already. moreover, I was forced to claim when I only softclaimed along with saying I hate claims. I have the right to be frustrated and give town, scum included, a taste of their own medicine. (so yeah, I'm a *****.) what you think of me is not what the collective town thinks of me.
of course. scum just has to pressure and point out some scummy things, and it is warranted. just because someone is scummy doesn't mean they're scum, it just means their defense is weak. you need to look beyond the weak defenses into the motives of both sides.
Be grateful, always."