Again I would like to ask why you think people may or may not have started with less than 3 bp? Seems more like a way to force people not to hit betray.
I don't think bp will come into effect until the first ab game.
Also refusal to read a post seems more scummy than townlike, because if he is town your potentially missing some good info code versa if he's scum you will be potentially slips.
nice catch. I must be on to smthing with the DV/Killjoy scumteam possibility.
Also, at DBS
You don't really have to Iso me but how you can be scum reading me and not remember me making a large push onto KJ is questionable to me.
Its a ways away but 403 is the biggest example of this.
my scumread of u is based on ur constant push on Last or whoever supports him. besides pseudoclaim.
if u scumread Killjoy I don't recall. fyi I skip posts and take a mental note of the impressions those posts gave off, for future reference or checks. if an argument is weak or not directed at me, I tend to forget them. that is why my play is strongly based on reading those who read me - playing by impression. weird playstyle I guess
I think its more play style/who they are that is clashing with me into scum reads.
The only thing that is weird to me is their weird ass association with KJ and me. I'm still baffled every time they bring it up.
@ DBS Can you please answer my question.
Have I or have I not attacked KJ this game?
YES
NO
honestly I can't remember if there's anything between u and Killjoy, only Iso vs Killjoy. the answer is.... NO? I don't wanna ISO u next
actually, where did I associate u and Killjoy? unless u mean I scumread Killjoy and u, so it associated u two. didn't think about that.
if we're just clashing playstyles, then pls clarify things before throwing ***** around. I clarified with Osie even if it was just self-meta. sheesh.
since we're gonna start over(and I almost missed this post):
- are my suspicions towards u understandable? seeing u are the one who kept associating me and Last.
- does ur pseudoclaim still exist? no need to claim but I want to know if u meant what u said.
- what do u think of Grapefruit and why vote him?
- what theory do u have about the unvotes on my wagon?
Some context: I like games, including Mafia, for their mechanics. I like games, including Mafia, for the social contract. I'm a former moderator on this site (I left due to time constraints and personal concerns).
I'm not trying to be overly strict, especially as that easily takes all the fun out of the game, but revealing role PM details can easily be one of the most gamebreaking actions that you can take, and as such should not be taken lightly. While I was emphatic in some of the explanation, my actual points were intended as friendly reminders. I've been in the same position as you and I know that it's easy to slip up, and I don't want anyone's experience here ruined by such an action. The same applies with my points towards LW. It's very easy to get overly aggressive or overly emotional in this sort of a game, and being careful to reign it in not only makes a person a better player, but also is a positive as a person, and contributes positively to the enjoyment of everyone involved.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
DBS then decide on that then go look at LastWhisper.
after all this talking and nobody bothers
ok
I'm the town vig
go after someone who isn't Last
oh
and do smthing more productive than a silly train on me~
or, if town wants, I'll just claim so we can do smthing more productive with our time.
The vote that led you to claim appears to be D_V's vote on you, especially given that there weren't any votes with you for about a page before that. But you said you were scumreading D_V. So why claim? You are at L-3, so not even necessarily claim range.
such persistence should be rewarded(just kidding). claiming forced him to look for a new target, and I'm covering for Last so I want to see what excuse he can make now. claiming is part of my strat to sorting DV out - he's been asking for it anyways, after that issue with Last.
he's not scumhunting in my pov. DV has been after Dawn and Last for this entire phase, it shows he's not scumhunting but rather going for lowhanging fruit.
Liar.
I pushed heavily onto KJ for a long time.
I've made pushes onto other players as well.
While cursing is allowed in these forums, avoiding the censor is not allowed.
This includes replacing letters with asterisks, removing letters and curse words in pictures.
Also, while discussion in mafia games might get bit heated at times, attacking other players is not allowed.
Attack the argument ("your reasoning sucks"), not the player itself ("you suck")!
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I want to add: please don't take #1384, #1392, #1394, #1403, this post, or my earlier posts to LW about their interaction as alignment indicative. I want this game to be fun for everyone, regardless of my alignment or theirs, and I shouldn't need to step out of my role as a player for that to be the case, but it's happening here. I'm actively hoping that it doesn't need to happen again. If we can't be civil and productive players, then we might as well be doing something else.
If people would rather not hear this from me, well, there's also this:
Some context: I like games, including Mafia, for their mechanics. I like games, including Mafia, for the social contract. I'm a former moderator on this site (I left due to time constraints and personal concerns).
I'm not trying to be overly strict, especially as that easily takes all the fun out of the game, but revealing role PM details can easily be one of the most gamebreaking actions that you can take, and as such should not be taken lightly. While I was emphatic in some of the explanation, my actual points were intended as friendly reminders. I've been in the same position as you and I know that it's easy to slip up, and I don't want anyone's experience here ruined by such an action. The same applies with my points towards LW. It's very easy to get overly aggressive or overly emotional in this sort of a game, and being careful to reign it in not only makes a person a better player, but also is a positive as a person, and contributes positively to the enjoyment of everyone involved.
I'm a moderator elsewhere as well, and one of the strictest around(I would even hate myself lol). moderators or ex-moderators shouldn't display their better knowledge over other players, it can come off as rude. if you really have issues, ask the host to talk to me. mind keeping things on even ground with us, as a fellow player? I just find the way you treat us very offgame and derailing.
I know what is and isn't allowed. even the consequences of breaking the rules, accidentally or purposefully. thanks.
as a side note, I might have to revert to formal speech since someone apparently reported me for using mobile slang~
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
I just find the way you treat us very offgame and derailing.
*Sigh* I'm sorry, that was not my intent.
Without intending any smarm or by it, I find that someone being overly aggressive, or what at times has come across as extreme self victimization, or what appear to be close to if not over the line on some of the more important game rules, are really off-putting, and at times completely removes any interest I have in the game. The pages recently before, during, and somewhat after my hiatus of sorts had a number of posts from, in particular, you, D_V, and Iso that completely broke any feeling of the gamer's circle. (Or whatever you want to call it.) I want this to continue on, but I also want to be able to participate without the feeling that some players are just going to act as jerks, for lack of an appropriate stronger term.
I just find the way you treat us very offgame and derailing.
*Sigh* I'm sorry, that was not my intent.
Without intending any smarm or by it, I find that someone being overly aggressive, or what at times has come across as extreme self victimization, or what appear to be close to if not over the line on some of the more important game rules, are really off-putting, and at times completely removes any interest I have in the game. The pages recently before, during, and somewhat after my hiatus of sorts had a number of posts from, in particular, you, D_V, and Iso that completely broke any feeling of the gamer's circle. (Or whatever you want to call it.) I want this to continue on, but I also want to be able to participate without the feeling that some players are just going to act as jerks, for lack of an appropriate stronger term.
This is the same reason that I posted early on in regards to Jenna. Gimmicks like the "cryptic time roleplay" can be fun at times, I'll be the first one to say that, but I'd rather not see it all the time, or in excess, and it's clear that other players feel the same.
I just find the way you treat us very offgame and derailing.
*Sigh* I'm sorry, that was not my intent.
Without intending any smarm or by it, I find that someone being overly aggressive, or what at times has come across as extreme self victimization, or what appear to be close to if not over the line on some of the more important game rules, are really off-putting, and at times completely removes any interest I have in the game. The pages recently before, during, and somewhat after my hiatus of sorts had a number of posts from, in particular, you, D_V, and Iso that completely broke any feeling of the gamer's circle. (Or whatever you want to call it.) I want this to continue on, but I also want to be able to participate without the feeling that some players are just going to act as jerks, for lack of an appropriate stronger term.
Some context: I like games, including Mafia, for their mechanics. I like games, including Mafia, for the social contract. I'm a former moderator on this site (I left due to time constraints and personal concerns).
I'm not trying to be overly strict, especially as that easily takes all the fun out of the game, but revealing role PM details can easily be one of the most gamebreaking actions that you can take, and as such should not be taken lightly. While I was emphatic in some of the explanation, my actual points were intended as friendly reminders. I've been in the same position as you and I know that it's easy to slip up, and I don't want anyone's experience here ruined by such an action. The same applies with my points towards LW. It's very easy to get overly aggressive or overly emotional in this sort of a game, and being careful to reign it in not only makes a person a better player, but also is a positive as a person, and contributes positively to the enjoyment of everyone involved.
I'm a moderator elsewhere as well, and one of the strictest around(I would even hate myself lol). moderators or ex-moderators shouldn't display their better knowledge over other players, it can come off as rude. if you really have issues, ask the host to talk to me. mind keeping things on even ground with us, as a fellow player? I just find the way you treat us very offgame and derailing.
I know what is and isn't allowed. even the consequences of breaking the rules, accidentally or purposefully. thanks.
as a side note, I might have to revert to formal speech since someone apparently reported me for using mobile slang~
Wait, they did? It wasn't me, for the record - I just made an informal note to you that I didn't enjoy reading posts formatted in that way.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Phoenix - Mostly, I like the way he reacts to things. I also liked that one post that Axelrod pointed out by him and while I wish it felt like he were more invested in the game to see where his head is at and to see if I can learn anything from his reads, I don't have any particular problems with Phoenix.
If you have any questions or what not that would help, shoot them my way. I'm definitely invested in the game, my time frames to post are just limited so I'm trying to make my pop ins as impactful as I can.
Question for you: Do you believe that dawn/Lastwhisper are at all tied together in alignment? I feel like if one is town, the other is much more likely to be, just based on how meddled with each other they are.
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So I'm not sure I understood Jenna as well as I thought, because I thought she came away from our previous interactions thinking I was town but she's indicating otherwise, which means I probably have to reread her
Jenna, are you or are you not caught up with the thread? And if you are, why are you quoting posts from days ago that have already come to pass (specifically my post saying I'd provide a reads list, which I did), and if you're not caught up, why not?
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I'm gonna say this again because I think it's relevant, allying/betraying needs to be done based on who you're paired with, and your overall judgement of the situation. I intend to ally tonight, but if I'm paired with someone whom I don't trust and specifically says they will betray regardless, that raises some concerns.
Unless your name is:
Grapefruit
Axelrod
Shinichi
Tomsloger
Terry
Iso
Or you make a very compelling case to me starting now, I will pursue your lynch if you betray me tonight. (If you are on that list and do intend to betray, please let me know)
Phoenix, as one of my top townreads as of pondering about you earlier today, I have no intention of betraying you if we are paired. Make of that what you will.
@Phoenix: I don't have any particular questions for you - mostly I just wanted to know where your head was at in the game and see if there was anything you may have picked up on that I did not. With regards to your dawn/LW question - I think that if LW is town, dawn is more likely to be, as well, but that LW can be scum independent of dawn.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
no harm done. this incident helped me get a better grip of what I'm dealing with. probably helped you understand me as well. just a bit worried if this will trigger my even-more-annoying moderator side lol. (figured it would be best if I said something for closure.)
will be off to think about the game for a bit.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
Actually, on second thought, what are your views on the players I've stated I need to get a better handle on the alignments of?
Shinichi - I think he seems like a scatterbrained townie. And his assumptions about mechanics (as noted by others) seem unlikely to be faked, which makes me think he's town as well.
Tom - The way Tom posts makes me just want to trust him. He seems...agenda-less.
Eclipse replacement - I have no opinion
Killjoy - I feel like I ought to give credit for the sheer effort of his mega post, and in general I've not been a huge fan of Osie (however see below), but I haven't seen a post from him in a while. I probably need to get a better handle of him as well frankly.
Can you go into some more detail about Azreal and DV? I have no idea what to make of Azreal; and are you willing to share your secret trick to DV?
Phoenix, as one of my top townreads as of pondering about you earlier today, I have no intention of betraying you if we are paired. Make of that what you will.
I kinda like this reaction so quickly, there was no hesitation. Osie is another one I need to reread.
phoenix have you talked about terry/grape in depth?
Terry is one where I've run the gamut on his alignment; when I pull back from being in the thick of dealing with him directly, I can see a sort of consistency to his frustration. He has a self righteousness in his posts and I think that more likely comes from town.
Grapefruit I mentioned a little in my reads post, but I like his reads, I like his questions, I like that everything he does is pushing the game forward. And for the most part his T/S list is on par with how I see the game. I am somewhat frustrated that he's pushing Terry, because I think are both likely town.
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Can you go into depth on your KJ read for me? What makes you willing to ally him; what do you think of his Osie case?
DV: Betray!!!!
Shinichi: I stopped reading at her first post. So I don't know yet.
BluesEscape: Ally
tomsloger: Ally
Jenna Tolaria: Ally
lastwhisper: Ally
Megiddo: Unknown agency
dawningbluesky: Ally
Iso: Ally with the expectation that he Ally back.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: Betray
Grapefruit21: Ally, I think...
Azrael: Ally!!!
Killjoy: Ally, I think...
LnGrrrR: Ally
osieorb18: Betray, I think...
Phoenix-Fire: Ally
Axelrod: Betray
Azrael saw the two sections of posts that made me distrust D_V; dawningbluesky and LastWhisper appear to be as new and innocent as I; Tom had the same thought as me with Ally town and Betray mafia, I have not seen Megiddo, and Shinichi should come soon. Iso is a strong trust, as he understands how unlikely it is to ever be able to use our abilities, though my trust extends only if he chooses Ally as well. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry said a thing that didn't follow previous sentiments and Azrael pointed it out as well.
Killjoy and Grapefruit seem okay so far, Odie does not. Nothing solid here.
LnGrrrR and Phoenix said minor things that I agree with. Axelrod did not, and has not.
The strength axis of this analysis appears to be the vertical.
Welcome to the Fray. Well I disagree with you on DV, you explained it well enough. Can you expand on a couple reads you have here, namely:
Me - I don't get what you mean by saying a thing that didn't follow previous sentiments? If you don't get something I say, ask me.
Last Whisper - Because they appear new and innocent you choose to trust them. I feel like someone being new makes them easier to read.
DBS - See above
Axelrod - What don't you agree with?
DV - What did Azrael say about DV that made you distrust him?
Just for posterity, this is the full unedited quote that Jenna just snipped. Notice how I asked her to expand on DV?
So you did. Why say I explained it well enough, then?
Don't BS me. You read the whole post and you clipped it to take it out of context. You explained it better than you did on most of your other reads in that post and I STILL needed clarification.
According to your exclamation point value system you think Shin is more scummy than ISO, but you are voting ISO.
If I had more than one vote, then I would stick one on each. Placing it on each despicable option is more helpful than leaving it in one place, my support us available, like a roadside flare, except in reverse.
@Shinichi-kun @Grapefruit @Phraze
what do you 3 think of Jenna atm?
If there was a confirmed jester lets just say I would give her that role as a possibilty.
What bothers me the most is she hasnt really explained what about me is worthy of a death threat.
@jenna 1313
Dear god what did i just read from both DV and Jenna *slaps head*
@iso #1303
It does suck playing catch up, but when u have 3-4 new pages that appear when Im at work I kinda have no choice. I can spend all day playing catch up once I am out of work but rather not do that since i want to spend my free time else where XD.
I don't think it should be NAI as well, because I have to do this alot regardless of my alignment espically in games where there is huge activity like this one.
@Jenna #1301 1302
What do you mean by posot 1301? Also four mafia seems like an accurate number if we assume its just town vs mafia unless you wanna argue that you someone know a different possibility my exist.
And I'd rather not be compared with jenna, someone who stated that shinichi wouldn't live for long... Again the tone is hard to read and it doesn't sound like sarcasm, but other people have made blatantly scum posts under the rooze of being a joke... But they aren't being pushed cause it was obvious they we're joking? Just saying scum could easily use that, and I'm def not saying everyone that makes those kind of jokes must be scum. Maybe some of you should branch out a little from the obvious scum tells? Just a thought..
Wrong people should all be looked at the same, ive learned you cant ignore sarcastic posts. Someone was in a game where a player claimed scum and they actually were scum. Jenna statement is quite weird, but I still think she just meant it as ill prob be lynched.
@DBS Full Claim should happen, I aint going to just blindly trust a vig claim.
-That need to want to shoot is one im worried about
-How so? Everyone gets emotional idk what u would gain from forcing that side out of people lol.
-Hmm why are you looking at town like only PR matter, as VT i rather live if it benefits town than allow myself to be mislynched since my vote atleast matters. How so vig isnt the only killing role known to mafia, plenty of ways someone could die during the night. Well I would hope no one would claim cop day 1 lol.
Full uncounterclaims should be given a chance, not a soft claim. Its also not healthy that you only want to live so you can shoot on night 1 potentially causing a mis fire.
??? .... srsly?
- if I got emotional, does that make me scum? ur saying as if other ppl are more emotional than me. gg
- u admit it. why would I claim if I was cop? why did u say u would trust my claim if I claimed cop? ur just wanting to out the real cop at this point. or beating a dead horse. VTs don't fullclaim, I've done it in that game I linked and it got me far.
- healthy choice or not is subjective and very offgame. keep that opinion to urself. the chances of misfiring is low when we have this much information. holding off the vigshot when they claimed under pressure of being the lead wagon is only going to hinder town.
-I don't care about the cop lol why the **** would i want that role to out day 1, i was using it as an exmaple.
-How is that choice subjective? You don't know unless you can confirm someones scum, and you only have that mindset because someone literally stated you should shoot night 1.
-No it doesnt,but forcing people into that state is scummy.
Oh and for the record I'm allying virtually everyone tonight.
And if you betray me I'm going to power claim my PR and force your lynch.
better hope ur not against me then
If you force a town PR to claim then you're either ***** town and shouldn't play this game or scum.
So enjoy the lynch.
where is the correlation in being betrayed and being forced to out your PR? Maybe explain it to me? I'm betraying, end of story, get out over it. And I'm not ***** town or scum lol
Idk if he explained it already but its prob self explanatory at this point.
Yeah I should probably figure out why I thought jenna was town...
Probably.
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@Jenna: So, what was your trap? Expressing a view of the game drastically different from anything that makes a modicum of sense? Because that’s the primary reason I’m voting for you, the secondary being your state of perpetual catch-up. The tertiary, of course, is just that I don’t agree with practically anything you’ve said, so far. So if your trap was behaving extremely bizarrely in a manner cryptic to attempts to decipher the actions in your head, congratulations, you caught me in being unable to find the townie motives behind the entirety of your posting this game.
Does this mean you’ve been faking your view of the gamestate this entire time? If so, when will you be joining the rest of us? I’m eager to see your real reads.
It was a trap that I hasn't even known I had laid! And my surprise when I turned around and saw you from within the cage. I admit I giggled a bit. Yes, I can do that. No, none of your trap-guesses are correct. In fact, I explained very clearly what the trap was in my first mention of it: an attack borne out of fear of the unknown. It was the choice of brawn over brain. And as follows, your wild extrapolation suggests projection. It is, of course, false.
@DBS, feel free. After that debacle of a claim, I am not moving my vote. Your argument is that we should keep you alive because it is provable... by Night 4. No, no thanks.
things were a mess and...I should be able to shoot? ability says "only 1 BP" which can be interpreted in many ways. and...Last said host confirmed that abilities use up BP. that would mean I use up BP by vigshots lol. Betraying me is gonna benefit town either way :3
So it writes it out? It doesn't have a BP cost listed in parentheses?
sadly no... no mentions of BP cost in my role. could mean what I originally thought it meant, I guess? could've forgotten things along the way cuz I didn't rely on my role, so I might have mixed up info from reading the thread. (which...is nothing new >.>)
This is disturbing. I have BP costs in my role, but some of them may or may not be 0. I think all activated abilities have to have a BP cost. Not sure what to make out of this.
Jenna,
Please explain to me you're background in mafia? Is this your first game? Where do you usually play? Do you think I'm scum? What has been so town about Last Whisper?
This is in all likelihood my second game of mafia in this medium. I have in-person experiences, but the prose is my calling.
I must admit you have a greater head on your shoulders than Iso or D_V, My concerns are more of our incompatibility with writing than one of a detective nature. But, the elements are there and I'm willing to continue with you.
I believe I already explained how I share the feelings of a new experience with Last Whisper, albeit with a unique word choice.
I just find the way you treat us very offgame and derailing.
*Sigh* I'm sorry, that was not my intent.
Without intending any smarm or by it, I find that someone being overly aggressive, or what at times has come across as extreme self victimization, or what appear to be close to if not over the line on some of the more important game rules, are really off-putting, and at times completely removes any interest I have in the game. The pages recently before, during, and somewhat after my hiatus of sorts had a number of posts from, in particular, you, D_V, and Iso that completely broke any feeling of the gamer's circle. (Or whatever you want to call it.) I want this to continue on, but I also want to be able to participate without the feeling that some players are just going to act as jerks, for lack of an appropriate stronger term.
Don't apologize cause 1 or 2 people say ur being mean lol, I don't think you crossed the line at any point nor do I think anyone has. I honestly believe people getting upset either scum or town just upset they aren't being understood.
I know everyone here is capable of handling insults hell they wouldn't be playing mafia if they got upset so easily so something is very off with the way people have been acting.
I just find the way you treat us very offgame and derailing.
*Sigh* I'm sorry, that was not my intent.
Without intending any smarm or by it, I find that someone being overly aggressive, or what at times has come across as extreme self victimization, or what appear to be close to if not over the line on some of the more important game rules, are really off-putting, and at times completely removes any interest I have in the game. The pages recently before, during, and somewhat after my hiatus of sorts had a number of posts from, in particular, you, D_V, and Iso that completely broke any feeling of the gamer's circle. (Or whatever you want to call it.) I want this to continue on, but I also want to be able to participate without the feeling that some players are just going to act as jerks, for lack of an appropriate stronger term.
Ohh just stop.
You've done nothing wrong.
See even DV understands, people have just been way to dramatic lately.
Actually, on second thought, what are your views on the players I've stated I need to get a better handle on the alignments of?
Shinichi - I think he seems like a scatterbrained townie. And his assumptions about mechanics (as noted by others) seem unlikely to be faked, which makes me think he's town as well.
Tom - The way Tom posts makes me just want to trust him. He seems...agenda-less.
Eclipse replacement - I have no opinion
Killjoy - I feel like I ought to give credit for the sheer effort of his mega post, and in general I've not been a huge fan of Osie (however see below), but I haven't seen a post from him in a while. I probably need to get a better handle of him as well frankly.
Can you go into some more detail about Azreal and DV? I have no idea what to make of Azreal; and are you willing to share your secret trick to DV?
Phoenix, as one of my top townreads as of pondering about you earlier today, I have no intention of betraying you if we are paired. Make of that what you will.
I kinda like this reaction so quickly, there was no hesitation. Osie is another one I need to reread.
Rood I am not scatterbrained >3> I just have bad memory *whistles.
Yeah I should probably figure out why I thought jenna was town...
Probably.
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@Jenna: So, what was your trap? Expressing a view of the game drastically different from anything that makes a modicum of sense? Because that’s the primary reason I’m voting for you, the secondary being your state of perpetual catch-up. The tertiary, of course, is just that I don’t agree with practically anything you’ve said, so far. So if your trap was behaving extremely bizarrely in a manner cryptic to attempts to decipher the actions in your head, congratulations, you caught me in being unable to find the townie motives behind the entirety of your posting this game.
Does this mean you’ve been faking your view of the gamestate this entire time? If so, when will you be joining the rest of us? I’m eager to see your real reads.
It was a trap that I hasn't even known I had laid! And my surprise when I turned around and saw you from within the cage. I admit I giggled a bit. Yes, I can do that. No, none of your trap-guesses are correct. In fact, I explained very clearly what the trap was in my first mention of it: an attack borne out of fear of the unknown. It was the choice of brawn over brain. And as follows, your wild extrapolation suggests projection. It is, of course, false.
Okay, so you're just completely off in La-La Land. Got it. I still think it makes you scum.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah I should probably figure out why I thought jenna was town...
Probably.
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@Jenna: So, what was your trap? Expressing a view of the game drastically different from anything that makes a modicum of sense? Because that’s the primary reason I’m voting for you, the secondary being your state of perpetual catch-up. The tertiary, of course, is just that I don’t agree with practically anything you’ve said, so far. So if your trap was behaving extremely bizarrely in a manner cryptic to attempts to decipher the actions in your head, congratulations, you caught me in being unable to find the townie motives behind the entirety of your posting this game.
Does this mean you’ve been faking your view of the gamestate this entire time? If so, when will you be joining the rest of us? I’m eager to see your real reads.
It was a trap that I hasn't even known I had laid! And my surprise when I turned around and saw you from within the cage. I admit I giggled a bit. Yes, I can do that. No, none of your trap-guesses are correct. In fact, I explained very clearly what the trap was in my first mention of it: an attack borne out of fear of the unknown. It was the choice of brawn over brain. And as follows, your wild extrapolation suggests projection. It is, of course, false.
Okay, so you're just completely off in La-La Land. Got it. I still think it makes you scum.
Iso's #1351 is laden with profiles, many of which confuse me. I find myself never constructing sentences he wrote, so either the future is a bizarre One, or there are genuine problems that I cannot describe. Perhaps the greatest is this, which I can speak of:
JoeTerry - I primarily liked Joe's early play. Recently, he's gone off on some weird tangent and I haven't really been following along, but his early game is solid and not in line with what I expect from scum JT.
WHY ARE YOU SCUM READING ME?
I'm actually angry about this at this point.
I'm done talking to this player.
Some context: I like games, including Mafia, for their mechanics. I like games, including Mafia, for the social contract. I'm a former moderator on this site (I left due to time constraints and personal concerns).
I'm not trying to be overly strict, especially as that easily takes all the fun out of the game, but revealing role PM details can easily be one of the most gamebreaking actions that you can take, and as such should not be taken lightly. While I was emphatic in some of the explanation, my actual points were intended as friendly reminders. I've been in the same position as you and I know that it's easy to slip up, and I don't want anyone's experience here ruined by such an action. The same applies with my points towards LW. It's very easy to get overly aggressive or overly emotional in this sort of a game, and being careful to reign it in not only makes a person a better player, but also is a positive as a person, and contributes positively to the enjoyment of everyone involved.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Liar.
I pushed heavily onto KJ for a long time.
I've made pushes onto other players as well.
I'm done proving my point now.
While cursing is allowed in these forums, avoiding the censor is not allowed.
This includes replacing letters with asterisks, removing letters and curse words in pictures.
Also, while discussion in mafia games might get bit heated at times, attacking other players is not allowed.
Attack the argument ("your reasoning sucks"), not the player itself ("you suck")!
If people would rather not hear this from me, well, there's also this:
I know what is and isn't allowed. even the consequences of breaking the rules, accidentally or purposefully. thanks.
as a side note, I might have to revert to formal speech since someone apparently reported me for using mobile slang~
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
*Sigh* I'm sorry, that was not my intent.
Without intending any smarm or by it, I find that someone being overly aggressive, or what at times has come across as extreme self victimization, or what appear to be close to if not over the line on some of the more important game rules, are really off-putting, and at times completely removes any interest I have in the game. The pages recently before, during, and somewhat after my hiatus of sorts had a number of posts from, in particular, you, D_V, and Iso that completely broke any feeling of the gamer's circle. (Or whatever you want to call it.) I want this to continue on, but I also want to be able to participate without the feeling that some players are just going to act as jerks, for lack of an appropriate stronger term.
This is the same reason that I posted early on in regards to Jenna. Gimmicks like the "cryptic time roleplay" can be fun at times, I'll be the first one to say that, but I'd rather not see it all the time, or in excess, and it's clear that other players feel the same.
Ohh just stop.
You've done nothing wrong.
Wait, they did? It wasn't me, for the record - I just made an informal note to you that I didn't enjoy reading posts formatted in that way.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Jenna Tolaria (3): Iso, D_V, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
dawningbluesky (2): Shinichi, LnGrrrR
osieorb18 (2): BluesEclipse, Killjoy
LnGrrrR (2): tomsloger, Grapefruit21
Grapefruit21 (2): Azrael, dawningbluesky
tomsloger (1): Axelrod
Iso (2): Lastwhisper, Jenna Tolaria
Not Voting (3): Megiddo, Phoenix-Fire, osieorb18
With 17 alive, it’s 9 to lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, November 7th at 11.59 pm EST.
Question for you: Do you believe that dawn/Lastwhisper are at all tied together in alignment? I feel like if one is town, the other is much more likely to be, just based on how meddled with each other they are.
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So I'm not sure I understood Jenna as well as I thought, because I thought she came away from our previous interactions thinking I was town but she's indicating otherwise, which means I probably have to reread her
Jenna, are you or are you not caught up with the thread? And if you are, why are you quoting posts from days ago that have already come to pass (specifically my post saying I'd provide a reads list, which I did), and if you're not caught up, why not?
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I'm gonna say this again because I think it's relevant, allying/betraying needs to be done based on who you're paired with, and your overall judgement of the situation. I intend to ally tonight, but if I'm paired with someone whom I don't trust and specifically says they will betray regardless, that raises some concerns.
Unless your name is:
Grapefruit
Axelrod
Shinichi
Tomsloger
Terry
Iso
Or you make a very compelling case to me starting now, I will pursue your lynch if you betray me tonight. (If you are on that list and do intend to betray, please let me know)
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
will be off to think about the game for a bit.
Be grateful, always."
Tom - The way Tom posts makes me just want to trust him. He seems...agenda-less.
Eclipse replacement - I have no opinion
Killjoy - I feel like I ought to give credit for the sheer effort of his mega post, and in general I've not been a huge fan of Osie (however see below), but I haven't seen a post from him in a while. I probably need to get a better handle of him as well frankly.
Can you go into some more detail about Azreal and DV? I have no idea what to make of Azreal; and are you willing to share your secret trick to DV?
I kinda like this reaction so quickly, there was no hesitation. Osie is another one I need to reread.
Grapefruit I mentioned a little in my reads post, but I like his reads, I like his questions, I like that everything he does is pushing the game forward. And for the most part his T/S list is on par with how I see the game. I am somewhat frustrated that he's pushing Terry, because I think are both likely town.
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Can you go into depth on your KJ read for me? What makes you willing to ally him; what do you think of his Osie case?
kj...
i dont really follow his conclusions but i like his process.
Do you think it's malicious?
Blah this reeks as much as LNG first post.
If there was a confirmed jester lets just say I would give her that role as a possibilty.
What bothers me the most is she hasnt really explained what about me is worthy of a death threat.
@jenna 1313
Dear god what did i just read from both DV and Jenna *slaps head*
@iso #1303
It does suck playing catch up, but when u have 3-4 new pages that appear when Im at work I kinda have no choice. I can spend all day playing catch up once I am out of work but rather not do that since i want to spend my free time else where XD.
I don't think it should be NAI as well, because I have to do this alot regardless of my alignment espically in games where there is huge activity like this one.
@Jenna #1301 1302
What do you mean by posot 1301? Also four mafia seems like an accurate number if we assume its just town vs mafia unless you wanna argue that you someone know a different possibility my exist.
Wrong people should all be looked at the same, ive learned you cant ignore sarcastic posts. Someone was in a game where a player claimed scum and they actually were scum. Jenna statement is quite weird, but I still think she just meant it as ill prob be lynched.
@DBS Full Claim should happen, I aint going to just blindly trust a vig claim.
-I don't care about the cop lol why the **** would i want that role to out day 1, i was using it as an exmaple.
-How is that choice subjective? You don't know unless you can confirm someones scum, and you only have that mindset because someone literally stated you should shoot night 1.
-No it doesnt,but forcing people into that state is scummy.
Idk if he explained it already but its prob self explanatory at this point.
May I ask how that Bp cost is shown in ur role?
I think u should be asking when diid this happen.
I must admit you have a greater head on your shoulders than Iso or D_V, My concerns are more of our incompatibility with writing than one of a detective nature. But, the elements are there and I'm willing to continue with you.
I believe I already explained how I share the feelings of a new experience with Last Whisper, albeit with a unique word choice.
Don't apologize cause 1 or 2 people say ur being mean lol, I don't think you crossed the line at any point nor do I think anyone has. I honestly believe people getting upset either scum or town just upset they aren't being understood.
I know everyone here is capable of handling insults hell they wouldn't be playing mafia if they got upset so easily so something is very off with the way people have been acting.
People I am willing to Lynch
Jenna
DBS
DV
Last
Terry
iso
In that order, but I wont be unvoting DBS anytime soon.
alice - town daredevil
1: roleblocker - requires 3- BP
2: vig - requires 1 BP
no ability costs
Be grateful, always."
Somehow i forgot LNG lol but hes at the bottom anyways
See even DV understands, people have just been way to dramatic lately.
Be grateful, always."
If I may answer that question as well, I don't believe they are aligned pairs, I do however believe they may be unaligned pairs.
What ya mean by no abiltiy costs?
Be grateful, always."
Rood I am not scatterbrained >3> I just have bad memory *whistles.
Okay, so you're just completely off in La-La Land. Got it. I still think it makes you scum.
Have we played together before?
Question: Did you clarify with the mod that your Vig ability won't work unless you have exactly 1 BP?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Be grateful, always."
Why are you not following along?
Huh. I think I believe this claim. I'm not sure if I believe the alignment for certain. But the role sounds legit.