Yep, I'm on board especially because this feels like a Tom bus.
VOTE: Last Whisper
Vote StinkyJoeterry
This progression is awful.
Why?
You "Last whisper is scum"
You "Tomsloger is scum!"
*Tomsloger votes last whisper*
NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS
*you vote last whisper alongside Tomsloger*
"Tom is bussing, last whisper is definitely scum"
If anything, you should be more confident in Tom as scum there, not last whisper. I don't buy it.
@Phoenix: I really don't see how you could think, I should think Tom is more likely scum than LW. All of my suspicion on Tom is tone and conjecture. It falls apart if LW is not scum. LW on the other hand straight up trip major scum alarms for me.
If Terry flips scum there is a pretty decent probability that Azreal is scum.
Funny, because the only thing I'm feeling there is that they almost definitely wouldn't be scum together.
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@Phoenix: I really don't see how you could think, I should think Tom is more likely scum than LW. All of my suspicion on Tom is tone and conjecture. It falls apart if LW is not scum. LW on the other hand straight up trip major scum alarms for me.
Thats not what I'm saying. You called Last Whisper scum, but then waited to vote him until after then calling Tom scum and Tom voting for him. There was nothing else that happened, yet you voted for Last whisper. Why didn't you vote last whisper in the first place/why was Tom's vote what put you over the edge when you just said Tom was scum?
@Phoenix: I really don't see how you could think, I should think Tom is more likely scum than LW. All of my suspicion on Tom is tone and conjecture. It falls apart if LW is not scum. LW on the other hand straight up trip major scum alarms for me.
Thats not what I'm saying. You called Last Whisper scum, but then waited to vote him until after then calling Tom scum and Tom voting for him. There was nothing else that happened, yet you voted for Last whisper. Why didn't you vote last whisper in the first place/why was Tom's vote what put you over the edge when you just said Tom was scum?
Because I was going down the thread posting as I go, once I caught up I wanted to vote LW. Do you think I have a bad case on LW?
I think I like the idea of either making the list of people who can betray me, or perhaps just asking for justification when it happens? I feel like coming up with decent justification is harder to do than just following some arbitrary list.
Bah Vote TheRealStinkyJoeTerry. Stupid mobile bold tags.
@Llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllngr: is that for serious? Are you really just going to assume everyone who betrays you has no town reason for doing so?
I'm laughing at D_V's post 11 because the gif looks like Meg infinitely giving his approval.
Scum #1.
Wrongo, boyo! I am, in fact... a town aligned murderer.
I don't need any help.
At Az, I will assume that in this game there will be roles like yours that can die to betrayal and there are roles that would also greatly benefit from Betrayals (being on the betraying end I mean). I can imagine it would have been a monumental task to balance this all, but I think it's fair to assume that if you will die to someone betraying you Night 1, it's something you should openly declare right off the bat. After that, you should be safe unless someone is trying to kill you and really wants to get Lynched the next day. No one should die because they get betrayed, there is no excuse for it. I think if anyone is at 1BP they should claim it. The AB list is public, I'm assuming, but should get clarification. Even if it's not public, it probably should be information we openly share.
@MOD: Are the AB matchups publicly displayed?
Based solely on the source material, I don't think anyone can die on round one of the AB game.
my last words wont come for a while, if they even ever do... I dont expect this train will go far. I was always told i wasnt readable... tsk, time to throw in the towel
if my vote is omgus, urs is just as omgus, ur superficial reasons doesnt make this anymore of an omgus vote then mine then, if so believe my vote was omgus. Plus I can tell you that your wrong about how I play. w/e you think I "noticed" didnt actually happen...
The votes piled on because your first initialize induction into this game, and your vote on me was just trash...
No, in no world was my vote on you an OMGUS. Do you even know what that term means? My vote on you was 100% based on you're play, not you voting me. You weren't even looking my direction when I voted you. There is no OMGUS there. You only voted me because I voted you, which is a typical Scum tell.
so was mine... that was the point of my quote... are you even reading? Your tone, did not match ur vote, that was my reasoning, if reason exists then the vote is not omgus... ????
I disagree, my #53 had no sarcastic tone. It was a dead serious realization.
I'm liking Terry for town. His posting this game is feeling... sincere.
Yep, I'm on board especially because this feels like a Tom bus.
VOTE: Last Whisper
Vote StinkyJoeterry
This progression is awful.
Why?
You "Last whisper is scum"
You "Tomsloger is scum!"
*Tomsloger votes last whisper*
NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS
*you vote last whisper alongside Tomsloger*
"Tom is bussing, last whisper is definitely scum"
If anything, you should be more confident in Tom as scum there, not last whisper. I don't buy it.
Hm. I disagree.
I feel like scum!Tom WOULD powerbus this early if the wagon on his buddy reached a certain speed. They both could certainly be scum together.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
His general tone feels nervous and defensive. The post I voted him for was one where he was absolutely confident he was not going to die soon, which is a weird thought for a townie to have.
Then he went into this whole thing that he ABSOLUTELY wasn't defending tom, so stop asking! Like, just the stances he takes on things aren't reading as if from a town persective.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If Terry flips scum there is a pretty decent probability that Azreal is scum.
Why?
Why not assume that there is something to punish some betrayals? I'd be heavily surprised if there isn't at least one role that interacts with betrayals on some level. Maybe its too swingy to straight up punish though.
Hmm uncertain then.
@Axel Also.
I've seen Terry time and time again bus as scum. This is the only mode he seems to know as scum and he draws huge red flags when he does this sort of behavior to me. That being said he seems more stuck in his ways a lot of time when he is scum and his flow on Azreal may be more town than scum. I've been annoyed that he is ignoring his wagon for the moment and hope he maybe addresses it. He also is sort of bussing Tom for no good reason though so maybe Tom and him are scum.
@Killjoy
Why stop me from my intended goal of gaining points?
@Bluesky, mainly because he got hyperdefensive. I would expect a towny to blow off early votes and scumhunt. Instead he pulls a "Nuh uh you are!" and calls out Terry's vote as trash.
His general tone feels nervous and defensive. The post I voted him for was one where he was absolutely confident he was not going to die soon, which is a weird thought for a townie to have.
Then he went into this whole thing that he ABSOLUTELY wasn't defending tom, so stop asking! Like, just the stances he takes on things aren't reading as if from a town persective.
What ties do you think I'm making?
StinkyJoe was in the lead by 2 votes, but u switching over to LW made the top trains tied again.
and I don't see that as a valid argument to lynch LW over - just cuz he talks as if he won't die soon and he denies defending someone. looks like an asspull excuse imo
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@D_V
why don't we go with the bus on Tom and see what develops? I don't see why we shouldn't hitch rides on a scum bussing attempt. so long as u know who is bussing, I'm always up for freebies.
and LW is as new as I am.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
His general tone feels nervous and defensive. The post I voted him for was one where he was absolutely confident he was not going to die soon, which is a weird thought for a townie to have.
Then he went into this whole thing that he ABSOLUTELY wasn't defending tom, so stop asking! Like, just the stances he takes on things aren't reading as if from a town persective.
What ties do you think I'm making?
StinkyJoe was in the lead by 2 votes, but u switching over to LW made the top trains tied again.
and I don't see that as a valid argument to lynch LW over - just cuz he talks as if he won't die soon and he denies defending someone. looks like an asspull excuse imo
StinkyJoe was an RVS vote. I didn't actually think he was scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@DV: As far as your Betraying people goes, I know what you are doing and I think it's fine, but you need to be careful who you betray. People can ABSOLUTELY die from being betrayed Night 1. If your BP reaches 0 you die. If someone were to start the game with 1 BP, they could die if they Ally and their partner betrays. I play that way as scum because that's the way I play as town.
I have not been ignoring my wagon. Where did you come up with that? I addressed it when it first started happening. I'm a bit concerned that so many people just jumped on it with out actually thinking about it. I'm not fully surprised that you were in that group, but I have reasons to believe you are town.
His general tone feels nervous and defensive. The post I voted him for was one where he was absolutely confident he was not going to die soon, which is a weird thought for a townie to have.
Then he went into this whole thing that he ABSOLUTELY wasn't defending tom, so stop asking! Like, just the stances he takes on things aren't reading as if from a town persective.
What ties do you think I'm making?
StinkyJoe was in the lead by 2 votes, but u switching over to LW made the top trains tied again.
and I don't see that as a valid argument to lynch LW over - just cuz he talks as if he won't die soon and he denies defending someone. looks like an asspull excuse imo
StinkyJoe was an RVS vote. I didn't actually think he was scum.
What is your read of lastwhisper?
ok. any scumreads other than LW? he was alrdy the leading train after StinkyJoe. we should be constructive with our time. no read on LW atm, maybe leaning town for the activity and how a train built on him so easily.
hmm.. worth noting how Tom has been labelled as scum(being bussed) but he's not even close to being in danger of lynch compared to the others.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
I asked the mod. if there was going to be any differentiation in the "morning" scenes between people who get killed by the Mafia vs. people who died because they ran out of BP/got betrayed. Then I asked (without really expecting an answer) whether all the dying in this game is just from running out of BP, like the Mafia kill is "target player loses all their BP" or something like that, meaning all the deaths would look the same.
Mod. answer was that all the deaths are going to look the same. So we aren't going to be able to tell (necessarily) who died because they got targeted by the mafia vs. who might have died because he burned up all his BP/got betrayed/etc.
like i want to say the way axel is going about this is super townie but its still just mechanics so idk
@Phoenix: I really don't see how you could think, I should think Tom is more likely scum than LW. All of my suspicion on Tom is tone and conjecture. It falls apart if LW is not scum. LW on the other hand straight up trip major scum alarms for me.
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@Phoenix: I really don't see how you could think, I should think Tom is more likely scum than LW. All of my suspicion on Tom is tone and conjecture. It falls apart if LW is not scum. LW on the other hand straight up trip major scum alarms for me.
wtf why do you look like scum with me
I don't get this. What are you asking? I thought you looked like scum with LW. Phoenix, thinks I should be more confident that you are scum than I am that LW is scum. I think that's preposterous. My reads on LW are based on his play. My reads on you were based on tone and conjecture. Therefore, my reads on LW > than my reads on you.
It would benefit the town to load me up with as many BP as possible as quickly as possible.
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My Axelrod vote was serious but I've since reconsidered. Unvote
I support all pressure on tom and LW. If LW is town, Terry is scum, but I find that outcome improbable.
I'm curious about bluesky - why do you think the LW wagon is bunk? Why do you think tom has been scummier than LW?
I think I'm mostly fine with D_V, Killjoy, and Az, so far.
Just noting that ISO is setting up a dichotomy here and I don't appreciate it. When people put this down as fact it's often a scum attempt to chain mislynch. EGMEOY ISO.
It would benefit the town to load me up with as many BP as possible as quickly as possible.
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I support all pressure on tom and LW. If LW is town, Terry is scum, but I find that outcome improbable.
I'm curious about bluesky - why do you think the LW wagon is bunk? Why do you think tom has been scummier than LW?
I think I'm mostly fine with D_V, Killjoy, and Az, so far.
Just noting that ISO is setting up a dichotomy here and I don't appreciate it. When people put this down as fact it's often a scum attempt to chain mislynch. EGMEOY ISO.
Yes, how dare I try to solve the game the way that I always do - by identifying who can and can't be scum together.
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It would benefit the town to load me up with as many BP as possible as quickly as possible.
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I support all pressure on tom and LW. If LW is town, Terry is scum, but I find that outcome improbable.
I'm curious about bluesky - why do you think the LW wagon is bunk? Why do you think tom has been scummier than LW?
I think I'm mostly fine with D_V, Killjoy, and Az, so far.
Just noting that ISO is setting up a dichotomy here and I don't appreciate it. When people put this down as fact it's often a scum attempt to chain mislynch. EGMEOY ISO.
Yes, how dare I try to solve the game the way that I always do - by identifying who can and can't be scum together.
I'm curious about bluesky - why do you think the LW wagon is bunk? Why do you think tom has been scummier than LW?
I've played 3 games with LW so far, and he's always scummy. I voted him in the 1st game with him cuz of his behavior, but he turned out to be town. I've yet to see his scumgame, but I'm sure he would have buds quell the heat by now since attracting this much attention early on won't benefit on the long run. overall, this much attention on a generally scummy player just doesn't feel right.
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Tom can be town for now, but I do want Post-Game credit for calling out Tom + LW at the beginning of Page 2 if they flip scum by the end of the game.
IDK about Tom, but u you are so off about my flip, and ur confidence is gunna be the end of you, if I can expect this to be ur play all game
How much experience playing mafia do you have LW?
8 or so games maybe?
if u want a link to a few I can send them ur way, but that wont happen till I get out of work
Well, I've played mafia for over 10 years, so I'm right and you're wrong. For some reason, I rub people the wrong way on here, but only when I'm town. Is English your first language?
give me a small writeup of how u play. much appreciated. thanks.
trolling on purpose? this kind of behavior isn't helpful to town yknow. if I have no scumreads by the end of the Day, I sure won't mind lynching u. just saying.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
You "Last whisper is scum"
You "Tomsloger is scum!"
*Tomsloger votes last whisper*
NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS
*you vote last whisper alongside Tomsloger*
"Tom is bussing, last whisper is definitely scum"
If anything, you should be more confident in Tom as scum there, not last whisper. I don't buy it.
and wow
Be grateful, always."
Funny, because the only thing I'm feeling there is that they almost definitely wouldn't be scum together.
Satsuma is Pomelo21.
Vote: tomsloger
Be grateful, always."
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (5): Killjoy, tomsloger, Phoenix-Fire, Lastwhisper, D_V
Lastwhisper (3): Azrael, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, LnGrrrR
osieorb18 (1): BluesEclipse
LnGrrrR (1): Grapefruit21
tomsloger (2): Axelrod, dawningbluesky
Axelrod (1): Iso
Not Voting (4): Shinichi, Jenna Tolaria, Megiddo, osieorb18
With 17 alive, it’s 9 to lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, November 7th at 11.59 pm EST.
And yes Az, I assume that some townies that are looking like mislynches will be willing to off themselves if the numbers work out.
@Grapefruit, what do you think is optimal town play regarding mechanics?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I think I like the idea of either making the list of people who can betray me, or perhaps just asking for justification when it happens? I feel like coming up with decent justification is harder to do than just following some arbitrary list.
I can maybe see this.
Not enough info though.
Just so everyone knows why this wasn't bolding... you need to correct my *****ty bold tags becasue they're screwing up the rest.
Wrongo, boyo! I am, in fact... a town aligned murderer.
I don't need any help.
Also I'm having fun.
You're such a killjoy.
Based solely on the source material, I don't think anyone can die on round one of the AB game.
lolwut?
vote Lastwhisper
Why only one? Also, I'm betraying you if it comes to that.
I'm liking Terry for town. His posting this game is feeling... sincere.
Hm. I disagree.
I feel like scum!Tom WOULD powerbus this early if the wagon on his buddy reached a certain speed. They both could certainly be scum together.
@killjoy seems u like making ties lol
Be grateful, always."
Then he went into this whole thing that he ABSOLUTELY wasn't defending tom, so stop asking! Like, just the stances he takes on things aren't reading as if from a town persective.
What ties do you think I'm making?
Why not assume that there is something to punish some betrayals? I'd be heavily surprised if there isn't at least one role that interacts with betrayals on some level. Maybe its too swingy to straight up punish though.
Hmm uncertain then.
@Axel Also.
I've seen Terry time and time again bus as scum. This is the only mode he seems to know as scum and he draws huge red flags when he does this sort of behavior to me. That being said he seems more stuck in his ways a lot of time when he is scum and his flow on Azreal may be more town than scum. I've been annoyed that he is ignoring his wagon for the moment and hope he maybe addresses it. He also is sort of bussing Tom for no good reason though so maybe Tom and him are scum.
@Killjoy
Why stop me from my intended goal of gaining points?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
and I don't see that as a valid argument to lynch LW over - just cuz he talks as if he won't die soon and he denies defending someone. looks like an asspull excuse imo
Be grateful, always."
why don't we go with the bus on Tom and see what develops? I don't see why we shouldn't hitch rides on a scum bussing attempt. so long as u know who is bussing, I'm always up for freebies.
and LW is as new as I am.
Be grateful, always."
StinkyJoe was an RVS vote. I didn't actually think he was scum.
What is your read of lastwhisper?
I have not been ignoring my wagon. Where did you come up with that? I addressed it when it first started happening. I'm a bit concerned that so many people just jumped on it with out actually thinking about it. I'm not fully surprised that you were in that group, but I have reasons to believe you are town.
hmm.. worth noting how Tom has been labelled as scum(being bussed) but he's not even close to being in danger of lynch compared to the others.
Be grateful, always."
give me a small writeup of how u play. much appreciated. thanks.
Be grateful, always."
Ok, KJ's scum, DV's taking his place in the Pantheon of eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil.
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I support all pressure on tom and LW. If LW is town, Terry is scum, but I find that outcome improbable.
I'm curious about bluesky - why do you think the LW wagon is bunk? Why do you think tom has been scummier than LW?
I think I'm mostly fine with D_V, Killjoy, and Az, so far.
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this is your first time seeing me be town, yes?
what are you comparing too?
like, you think confidence is a tomscum tell? nah bro.
Yes, how dare I try to solve the game the way that I always do - by identifying who can and can't be scum together.
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because im confident I wont be the first lynch, I am scum? LOLOL
IDK about Tom, but u you are so off about my flip, and ur confidence is gunna be the end of you, if I can expect this to be ur play all game
if u want a link to a few I can send them ur way, but that wont happen till I get out of work
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."