like, i kinda think rhand is scum but not for any, like, good reasons.
hes, like, kinda pockety. an amount of controlling people that sort of reminds me of scum in general but also makes me think about sir chris and smile. man i scumread that guy a lot.
im cool with lynching rhand.
but it doesnt really excite me.
if rhand were to flip town id probably accuse dv
not that me putting rhand at L-1 was a trap, but it is a major thing. we only have one lynch and im making it a post away.
dv earlier needed talked out of permavoting rhand. he then ammended his read to "rhand is rhand"
tom and cyth literally just gave their reasons.
i gave reasons earlier.
thats the whole wagon.
hes not asking any one us why we want to lynch rhand. hes just doubting the wagon.
tomsloger calls Cythare and me out for "not having great reasoning" for voting Rhand then proceeds to announce he has no good reasons himself.
Completely happy with tomsloger lynch. Even moreso than Rhand. Vote: Sloger
I'm at least 85% confident the scum is within those two or Megiddo.
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I get up early on Saturday and then get off work at the same time the game ends. I likely won't be able to post that day, the 19th. Meaning I only have today and tomorrow to post. I'm a strong advocate of lynching someone today so I actually have time to accuse someone.
like, i kinda think rhand is scum but not for any, like, good reasons.
hes, like, kinda pockety. an amount of controlling people that sort of reminds me of scum in general but also makes me think about sir chris and smile. man i scumread that guy a lot.
im cool with lynching rhand.
but it doesnt really excite me.
if rhand were to flip town id probably accuse dv
not that me putting rhand at L-1 was a trap, but it is a major thing. we only have one lynch and im making it a post away.
dv earlier needed talked out of permavoting rhand. he then ammended his read to "rhand is rhand"
tom and cyth literally just gave their reasons.
i gave reasons earlier.
thats the whole wagon.
hes not asking any one us why we want to lynch rhand. hes just doubting the wagon.
Dude the reason for voting Rhand was that he was using math. But it ignored the fact that Megs used math too. I'll always want to vote Rhand its a true fact.
I legit don't get how that makes anyone scum.
tomsloger calls Cythare and me out for "not having great reasoning" for voting Rhand then proceeds to announce he has no good reasons himself.
Completely happy with tomsloger lynch. Even moreso than Rhand. Vote: Sloger
I'm at least 85% confident the scum is within those two or Megiddo.
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I get up early on Saturday and then get off work at the same time the game ends. I likely won't be able to post that day, the 19th. Meaning I only have today and tomorrow to post. I'm a strong advocate of lynching someone today so I actually have time to accuse someone.
i mean, sure. cyth and tom's reasons weren't good. mine were pretty mediocre too. he IS pockety and controlling, but that isnt always scum.
but you. you didnt question the reasons, you just said you didnt understand the wagon. not that you didnt like it. you didnt attack the reasons, just the idea of the wagon.
explain why that isnt trying to distance yourself from the mislynch while hoping it would go through anyway.
i mean, sure. cyth and tom's reasons weren't good. mine were pretty mediocre too. he IS pockety and controlling, but that isnt always scum.
but you. you didnt question the reasons, you just said you didnt understand the wagon. not that you didnt like it. you didnt attack the reasons, just the idea of the wagon.
explain why that isnt trying to distance yourself from the mislynch while hoping it would go through anyway.
ill wait.
I don't think that way?
I just didn't get why the wagon formed at all. Seemed weird. Frankly I didn't see any real reasons for people voting him.
I recognized he was at -1 and was like wtf. I guess in a smaller player game it doesn't mean as much in the sense of I don't get the wagon because its only three people.
so you think its one of the people voting him for crappy reasons? i can almost respect that.
so tom thinks its 85% rhand/me/megs. because cyth is flippant town and he cant see huntz as scum for ???. and...
oh
he hasnt mentioned you at all since figuring out if he remembers you
so you must be the 15% based on...
hmm
i still kinda like that tom is just doing his own thing and not caring what people think.
hold up
I still think it's Tom (not sloger) because of the fear mongering of time, and the way he's actively posting. Why would actively posting be a bad thing you ask? Scum know that there's only a few days (meatworld) to this gane and the easiest play is to skate by until the end. Scum will be hyper- vigilant this game in order to avoid lynch/end suspicion. I don't think Tom cares about finding real scum, just sowing dissension amongst us all.
[quote from="Rhand »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/781345-one-week-mafia-day-1?comment=86"]I think scum!Tom would've conceded his point by now. What he's doing looks like real conviction.
this "back and forth" with huntz is a bit strange
it could be more concerned with huntz accusing him than huntz' alignment
i guess i can see tom. i can almost see the "do you think im still tunneling as a cftwr type thing.
its all super meh. he might be more concerned with getting lynched than figuring people out. but, like, getting lynched is the only guaranteed loss. if youre scum its game over obviously, but if you get mislynched you lose and dont even get to accuse. so that, as motivation, isnt necessarily alignment indicative.
because we need to lynch someone. but yeah most of them are. id be pretty surprised if we successfully lynched scum. and a little disappointed tbh.
honestly from a statistical standpoint lynching megs makes a bunch of sense.
you can do the meta thing where he cares slightly more as town and would maybe find a way to post through his irl issues. but, like, i heard he got hit by a car. who knows if its even possible. but back to the statistics. he wanted to lower the chances of scum win rather than raising our individual chances of winning. and, ummm, we dont really know if he'll get an accusation in if hes town. and megs didnt give us anything to read him off of. but, well, im pretty sure i didnt either. realistically you and huntz didnt either IMO. like i know im voting you right now because you didnt do what i expect, but frankly my confidence in predicting your actions is pretty low.
what do you think of tom's read on me? obviously you voted him because its gross, but what part?
Its funny. My logic is starting to become similar. I want to reduce the chances of scum winning which also means removing the scummiest player. This has the benefit of possibly lynching scum day one.
I think Tom has been throwing stuff to the walls and seeing what sticks. I don't see a world in which I'm not accusing him tomorrow. I do see a world with every other player.
I think that he is making weak cases and seeing what sticks. Hes jumping all over right now.
Says he thinks Rhand is more scummy then votes you?
Hes just fishing for a lynch.
I've got a slight town read on Megs. Its megs though.
Elaborate on what is weak in my reasoning for Rhand or anyone else.
Yes I've moved my vote several times recently. Methodically.
I said I think tomsloger is more scummy now (because of his behavior on Rhand wagon), then voted him. Where are you getting anything contrary from?
I am fishing for a lynch. On one of those three specific people (two, realistically). ASAP, because like I said I won't be able to post on the last day of the game.
i mean, sure. cyth and tom's reasons weren't good. mine were pretty mediocre too. he IS pockety and controlling, but that isnt always scum.
but you. you didnt question the reasons, you just said you didnt understand the wagon. not that you didnt like it. you didnt attack the reasons, just the idea of the wagon.
explain why that isnt trying to distance yourself from the mislynch while hoping it would go through anyway.
ill wait.
what's distancing gonna do in a 1 day game? How would we know it's a potebtial mislynch until after games over?
i mean, sure. cyth and tom's reasons weren't good. mine were pretty mediocre too. he IS pockety and controlling, but that isnt always scum.
but you. you didnt question the reasons, you just said you didnt understand the wagon. not that you didnt like it. you didnt attack the reasons, just the idea of the wagon.
explain why that isnt trying to distance yourself from the mislynch while hoping it would go through anyway.
ill wait.
what's distancing gonna do in a 1 day game? How would we know it's a potebtial mislynch until after games over?
distancing from the lynch, not from a buddy. do you... not know the setup?
and in the scenario im talking about dv would be scum and therefore know it was a mislynch.
I said I think tomsloger is more scummy now (because of his behavior on Rhand wagon)
what behavior on the rhand wagon?
I was referring to the second line I wrote in post 104.
But hold the phone, complete 180, tomsloger is almost certainly town after all. Unvote
Sloger has been a mediocre contributor all game, until now. Post 110 was fantastic (I didn't even catch that myself), and basically everything since has been pretty good.
I see a townie getting more concerned and involved as the game end draws nearer. I'd expect scum to do basically the opposite, and post less near the end unless it were to defend themselves from a lynch.
Vote: Rhand
Lets lynch him, so that in the case that he flips town we actually have time to reassess.
And no I'm not super serious about lynching dv. Wasnt at the time of the vote and since we've had a decent chat. And dv and I have been on a decent run of getting along when we're both town and I don't really know how much that matters but we do seem to clash when unaligned. I think I've probably had more positive pings than negative on dv.
You're the only one here I don't know and none of the rest are particularly far off from their normal play as either alignment. And you... well I don't think I agree with your methods and sort of agree with DVs assessment that you're just trying to see what sticks but I can see it being genuine casting about for the solution which is... not that different.
This may have been a long winded way of saying that if anyone got to L-1 I'd immediately hammer
And no I'm not super serious about lynching dv. Wasnt at the time of the vote and since we've had a decent chat. And dv and I have been on a decent run of getting along when we're both town and I don't really know how much that matters but we do seem to clash when unaligned. I think I've probably had more positive pings than negative on dv.
You're the only one here I don't know and none of the rest are particularly far off from their normal play as either alignment. And you... well I don't think I agree with your methods and sort of agree with DVs assessment that you're just trying to see what sticks but I can see it being genuine casting about for the solution which is... not that different.
This may have been a long winded way of saying that if anyone got to L-1 I'd immediately hammer
I think D_V isn't who we will lynch, or should lynch. Beyond that I'll reassess him in the case of a mislynch.
I concur that just lynching in general should be our #1 priority with the clock ticking down.
Join back on Rhand wagon. Don't know what people are talking about the reasoning being bad, just ISO Rhand. Look at his 2nd and 3rd posts. Bad vote on Hunt, followed by a bad vote on you (Tomsloger for anyone else reading the reiteration of my reasoning). These posts could be excusable as poking around at the beginning of the game, but then his 5th post confirms that he's serious about them. His 6th post is hopping back on the Hunt wagon after I gave that wagon a big push, and he says he wants to lynch. Then Hunt shows up, and I ask why Rhand isn't moving his vote like I did. Rhand gives in easily and implies that he might move his vote soon. Then his latest post he does just that, voting Tomsloger once more with little explanation.
Now that I've looked it over again I'm even happier about my vote.
@Tom: I had a very good reason for my Huntzilla vote. Huntz wasn't weighing in at all before I voted him.
And I'm keeping my gote on tomsloger because I'm convinced he's the mafia.
It's more against the wincon to not reach majority by deadline, but whatever. I've already said I'd rather win as a neutral.
And that's a super silly scumtell. I'm way more aware of who I'm voting as scum. But also I keep a running votecount for myself and just copy pasted it and hadn't updated my own vote. I knew where I was voting, it's just my notepad document that didn't.
I'm like 50-50 now. I always suspect Rhand more than Tom, but... I just know tomorrow my votes going to be on Rhand tomorrow with out this *****. So its better for me to eliminate a red herring now. Or possibly just lynch scum.
Meh I guess my only survival chance now is to vote Tom
Which I don't really wnat, but if I die I lose
The thing where you lose automatically as town when you get lynched is silly. I think town should still win if scum gets the full majority of accusations toMorrow.
I'm like 50-50 now. I always suspect Rhand more than Tom, but... I just know tomorrow my votes going to be on Rhand tomorrow with out this *****. So its better for me to eliminate a red herring now. Or possibly just lynch scum.
Well this is out of left field.
Weren't you the guy who said you couldn't understand the Rhand wagon and that my reasoning about him being scum was bad? And the guy who said I was worlds apart the scummiest player in the game?
Because now it reads like you're saying Rhand is scummy, and scummier than you think I am, and hoping on the wagon pretty much built with my reasoning.
If we lynch Rhand (likely) and he's not scum you have some explaining to do
[4] Rhand - Cythare, Tom, D_V, tomsloger
[2] Tom - Huntzilla, Rhand
Not Voting: Megiddo
7 alive, 4 to lynch.
Rhand has been lynched. He was a Townie.
The Accusation period starts now. Please PM me or tell me on Discord who you wish to accuse. The game will end tomorrow, or earlier if a majority votes to end the Accusation period early.
If you do not accuse someone you will instantly lose.
hes, like, kinda pockety. an amount of controlling people that sort of reminds me of scum in general but also makes me think about sir chris and smile. man i scumread that guy a lot.
im cool with lynching rhand.
but it doesnt really excite me.
if rhand were to flip town id probably accuse dv
not that me putting rhand at L-1 was a trap, but it is a major thing. we only have one lynch and im making it a post away.
dv earlier needed talked out of permavoting rhand. he then ammended his read to "rhand is rhand"
tom and cyth literally just gave their reasons.
i gave reasons earlier.
thats the whole wagon.
hes not asking any one us why we want to lynch rhand. hes just doubting the wagon.
vote DV
lets have a DVCFD
tomsloger calls Cythare and me out for "not having great reasoning" for voting Rhand then proceeds to announce he has no good reasons himself.
Completely happy with tomsloger lynch. Even moreso than Rhand. Vote: Sloger
I'm at least 85% confident the scum is within those two or Megiddo.
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I get up early on Saturday and then get off work at the same time the game ends. I likely won't be able to post that day, the 19th. Meaning I only have today and tomorrow to post. I'm a strong advocate of lynching someone today so I actually have time to accuse someone.
Dude the reason for voting Rhand was that he was using math. But it ignored the fact that Megs used math too. I'll always want to vote Rhand its a true fact.
I legit don't get how that makes anyone scum.
Hell you didn't even give a reason.
And Tom's reasons were just bad.
Ugh
Votes his other target.
Gross.
Unvote Vote Tom
Like, I really expected you to hammer.
Cause the case on him is fishy at best.
If I can't read the player I read the arguments against them. And those were bad.
Also this is a seven man game I can't recklessly push lynches like I want to.
id rather win as a private investigator than the town win tbh
I'd rather win.
Good lynch = highest chance day one.
Rhand doesn't seem good.
but you. you didnt question the reasons, you just said you didnt understand the wagon. not that you didnt like it. you didnt attack the reasons, just the idea of the wagon.
explain why that isnt trying to distance yourself from the mislynch while hoping it would go through anyway.
ill wait.
I don't think that way?
I just didn't get why the wagon formed at all. Seemed weird. Frankly I didn't see any real reasons for people voting him.
I recognized he was at -1 and was like wtf. I guess in a smaller player game it doesn't mean as much in the sense of I don't get the wagon because its only three people.
so tom thinks its 85% rhand/me/megs. because cyth is flippant town and he cant see huntz as scum for ???. and...
oh
he hasnt mentioned you at all since figuring out if he remembers you
so you must be the 15% based on...
hmm
i still kinda like that tom is just doing his own thing and not caring what people think.
hold up
this "back and forth" with huntz is a bit strange
it could be more concerned with huntz accusing him than huntz' alignment
i guess i can see tom. i can almost see the "do you think im still tunneling as a cftwr type thing.
its all super meh. he might be more concerned with getting lynched than figuring people out. but, like, getting lynched is the only guaranteed loss. if youre scum its game over obviously, but if you get mislynched you lose and dont even get to accuse. so that, as motivation, isnt necessarily alignment indicative.
just assume ill join any wagon that gets big enough, and then ill figure out who to accuse
Because any wagon but you're own will lead to a town lynch?
honestly from a statistical standpoint lynching megs makes a bunch of sense.
you can do the meta thing where he cares slightly more as town and would maybe find a way to post through his irl issues. but, like, i heard he got hit by a car. who knows if its even possible. but back to the statistics. he wanted to lower the chances of scum win rather than raising our individual chances of winning. and, ummm, we dont really know if he'll get an accusation in if hes town. and megs didnt give us anything to read him off of. but, well, im pretty sure i didnt either. realistically you and huntz didnt either IMO. like i know im voting you right now because you didnt do what i expect, but frankly my confidence in predicting your actions is pretty low.
what do you think of tom's read on me? obviously you voted him because its gross, but what part?
I think Tom has been throwing stuff to the walls and seeing what sticks. I don't see a world in which I'm not accusing him tomorrow. I do see a world with every other player.
[2] tomsloger - Rhand, Tom
[2] Rhand - Cythare, tomsloger
Not Voting: Megiddo
nice wagons.
whatever
so? were not discussing if his scumhunting is effective. just whether its real.
why is it scummy?
@DV
kinda want your opinion on this. think it's true?
I think that he is making weak cases and seeing what sticks. Hes jumping all over right now.
Says he thinks Rhand is more scummy then votes you?
Hes just fishing for a lynch.
I've got a slight town read on Megs. Its megs though.
Elaborate on what is weak in my reasoning for Rhand or anyone else.
Yes I've moved my vote several times recently. Methodically.
I said I think tomsloger is more scummy now (because of his behavior on Rhand wagon), then voted him. Where are you getting anything contrary from?
I am fishing for a lynch. On one of those three specific people (two, realistically). ASAP, because like I said I won't be able to post on the last day of the game.
what behavior on the rhand wagon?
and in the scenario im talking about dv would be scum and therefore know it was a mislynch.
I was referring to the second line I wrote in post 104.
But hold the phone, complete 180, tomsloger is almost certainly town after all. Unvote
Sloger has been a mediocre contributor all game, until now. Post 110 was fantastic (I didn't even catch that myself), and basically everything since has been pretty good.
I see a townie getting more concerned and involved as the game end draws nearer. I'd expect scum to do basically the opposite, and post less near the end unless it were to defend themselves from a lynch.
Vote: Rhand
Lets lynch him, so that in the case that he flips town we actually have time to reassess.
You clearly voted for D_V then later you attempt to do a vote count and show your vote still on Rhand... Are you not aware of where your votes at?
If you were serious about D_V, I'd expect it to be reflected in that vote count
[2] Rhand - Cythare, Tom
[2] Tom - Huntzilla, D_V
[1] tomsloger - Rhand
[1] D_V - tomsloger
Not Voting: Megiddo
7 alive, 4 to lynch.
Deadline is currently 5:30 PM Eastern on August 19th, 2017 (Less than 48 hours).
So what do you think of dv?
And no I'm not super serious about lynching dv. Wasnt at the time of the vote and since we've had a decent chat. And dv and I have been on a decent run of getting along when we're both town and I don't really know how much that matters but we do seem to clash when unaligned. I think I've probably had more positive pings than negative on dv.
You're the only one here I don't know and none of the rest are particularly far off from their normal play as either alignment. And you... well I don't think I agree with your methods and sort of agree with DVs assessment that you're just trying to see what sticks but I can see it being genuine casting about for the solution which is... not that different.
This may have been a long winded way of saying that if anyone got to L-1 I'd immediately hammer
So what do you think of dv?
And no I'm not super serious about lynching dv. Wasnt at the time of the vote and since we've had a decent chat. And dv and I have been on a decent run of getting along when we're both town and I don't really know how much that matters but we do seem to clash when unaligned. I think I've probably had more positive pings than negative on dv.
You're the only one here I don't know and none of the rest are particularly far off from their normal play as either alignment. And you... well I don't think I agree with your methods and sort of agree with DVs assessment that you're just trying to see what sticks but I can see it being genuine casting about for the solution which is... not that different.
This may have been a long winded way of saying that if anyone got to L-1 I'd immediately hammer
I concur that just lynching in general should be our #1 priority with the clock ticking down.
Join back on Rhand wagon. Don't know what people are talking about the reasoning being bad, just ISO Rhand. Look at his 2nd and 3rd posts. Bad vote on Hunt, followed by a bad vote on you (Tomsloger for anyone else reading the reiteration of my reasoning). These posts could be excusable as poking around at the beginning of the game, but then his 5th post confirms that he's serious about them. His 6th post is hopping back on the Hunt wagon after I gave that wagon a big push, and he says he wants to lynch. Then Hunt shows up, and I ask why Rhand isn't moving his vote like I did. Rhand gives in easily and implies that he might move his vote soon. Then his latest post he does just that, voting Tomsloger once more with little explanation.
Now that I've looked it over again I'm even happier about my vote.
And I'm keeping my gote on tomsloger because I'm convinced he's the mafia.
Why do you find that scummy?
And not remembering where your vote is is a basic scumtell.
And that's a super silly scumtell. I'm way more aware of who I'm voting as scum. But also I keep a running votecount for myself and just copy pasted it and hadn't updated my own vote. I knew where I was voting, it's just my notepad document that didn't.
What do you think of huntz now?
**** it Rhands speaking nonsense again.
I'm like 50-50 now. I always suspect Rhand more than Tom, but... I just know tomorrow my votes going to be on Rhand tomorrow with out this *****. So its better for me to eliminate a red herring now. Or possibly just lynch scum.
vote Tom
Which I don't really wnat, but if I die I lose
The thing where you lose automatically as town when you get lynched is silly. I think town should still win if scum gets the full majority of accusations toMorrow.
I have no read on Cythare whatsoever and think tomsloger is still most likely scum.
vote rhand
Would be cool if we won now but gonna start rereading
Well this is out of left field.
Weren't you the guy who said you couldn't understand the Rhand wagon and that my reasoning about him being scum was bad? And the guy who said I was worlds apart the scummiest player in the game?
Because now it reads like you're saying Rhand is scummy, and scummier than you think I am, and hoping on the wagon pretty much built with my reasoning.
If we lynch Rhand (likely) and he's not scum you have some explaining to do
That's L-0, I think. Cool.
Rhand if you get here before the mod, spare us the trouble and state your alignment
[4] Rhand - Cythare, Tom, D_V, tomsloger
[2] Tom - Huntzilla, Rhand
Not Voting: Megiddo
7 alive, 4 to lynch.
Rhand has been lynched. He was a Townie.
The Accusation period starts now. Please PM me or tell me on Discord who you wish to accuse. The game will end tomorrow, or earlier if a majority votes to end the Accusation period early.
If you do not accuse someone you will instantly lose.
You may continue posting until the game ends.
Megs you have to do a bunch of scumhunting right now.
WELP.