You forgot to mention you were off of two lynched completely.
Like not voting.
You were also off the tubba lynch. Why didn't YOU want to lynch tubba?
Why don't you read the game? I had just replaced in and built a whole case on Tubba. However, like the second time I was OFF a Lynch, was because someone hammered before I could vote. I'm trying really hard to give you a fair shot Rodemy, but you make it really hard. I'm trying to look at both of you and Tom. I was even starting to have second thoughts about which way I was going to vote because you are fighting so hard, it feels town to me, so I was trying to pry deeper into Tom and you just come in and antagonize me for doing that.
You forgot to mention you were off of two lynched completely.
Like not voting.
You were also off the tubba lynch. Why didn't YOU want to lynch tubba?
Maybe I'm drinking the wine, but it's posts like this that make me worry that Rodemy is town. Like he's not calculated, he's not being clever, he's just pure, wear it on your sleeve emotion.
The only scum Rodemy I've really seen was Bare Bones, and he was clever, and he thought through things.
The flip side of this is that it does feel like he's throwing out anything he can to get it to stick and failing, but he's done that as town so
I'm at the point where I think I'd vote Tom, but feel like I was getting it wrong the entire time.
I almost think I have a better chance to hit scum if I flip the other coin and vote between Jey and Terry. Obviously everyone else in the game is going to freak out and go "Oh No Shadow don't do that ya fricken idiot!" So I'm holding back. I'm seriously contemplating that though.
You forgot to mention you were off of two lynched completely.
Like not voting.
You were also off the tubba lynch. Why didn't YOU want to lynch tubba?
Why don't you read the game? I had just replaced in and built a whole case on Tubba. However, like the second time I was OFF a Lynch, was because someone hammered before I could vote. I'm trying really hard to give you a fair shot Rodemy, but you make it really hard. I'm trying to look at both of you and Tom. I was even starting to have second thoughts about which way I was going to vote because you are fighting so hard, it feels town to me, so I was trying to pry deeper into Tom and you just come in and antagonize me for doing that.
@Tom: who's scum with Rodemy?
Nono. You made note to mention who was on and off lynches. I'm pointing out the one person you missed in the equation: Yourself.
There are reasons I wasn't on the lynches I wasn't on.
Also that post was a lot of... nothing. It was stating information we already know.
I don't buy someone hammering before you can vote.
Can i see your case on tubba?
You are getting a little aggressive right now and I don't think That's a good thing.
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Not to interrupt the distancing, but who the **** analyzes themselves in votecounts?
rodemy>*****>wall
Ugh. I meant, like, in trying to make sense of his votecount analysis. There really is.. none. It's quoting the votes and.. Saying who was on what. It was more of a narrative.
So he was naming who was on and off lynches. I learned *nothing* new.
I would, however, learn something new if I take his analysis and ask him about it.
He asked Tom why he didn't vote tubba. I asked HIM why HE didn't vote tubba.
His mindset seemed focused on analyzing votecount as such, so why not do the same thing, but to him and see where it leads.
So i mention he "wasn't on two lynches, so what does that mean?"
His reply was aggressive. (*pay attention to the game*) and fairly odd mentioning close to voting tom but instead feels the need to mention he *was* townreading me, and then asks tom another question,
Tom please answer the first question.
Terry, he is, for some reasom, stating you and I are buddies. And it feels lile he will probably start your wagon soon. Can't lynch me, lynch "my partner" instead.
If You flip scum, tom then goes to me. Kills jey so it's just me him and shadow (Jesus Christ you sly ****er) entertainment ensues.
*wakes up*
Anyway.
Idk why tom is suddenly saying we are partners. That's.. weird.
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Rodemy, I'm mobile only until monday, but your response is so frustrating I have to address now as unelegantly as I can because I'm mobile.
Do something yourself. Read the thread. Use the iso feature. I shouldn't have to iso myself and find a post I know is there because you're too lazy to read the thread. Your either scum or a liability because you don't read the thread and if we lose this game by lynching you, it's on you and you're not reading quick hammer not me.
No one that is truly solving the game (see Shadows post about coin flips). Includes them self as a question mark while solving. It's the one given a town player has.
So I apologize for being kurt, but I can't deal with your laziness in lylo (which we are in because of your laziness or scumminess), especially when I'm mobile only.
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Terry, go back and read that post again and tell me you still think I'm not trying to solve this game. Because that's not what I said, or implied, and it's frankly false.
I currently am looking at two dichotomies, and I think I might have an easier time solving you/Jey than Rod/tom.
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Terry, go back and read that post again and tell me you still think I'm not trying to solve this game. Because that's not what I said, or implied, and it's frankly false.
I currently am looking at two dichotomies, and I think I might have an easier time solving you/Jey than Rod/tom.
I was using you as an example of a player not considering themselves as a scumspect in order to solve the game. DI'd I mistyped something? I guess there was a period there where it shouldn't be. I'm saying you look like you're solving.
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Terry, go back and read that post again and tell me you still think I'm not trying to solve this game. Because that's not what I said, or implied, and it's frankly false.
I currently am looking at two dichotomies, and I think I might have an easier time solving you/Jey than Rod/tom.
I was using you as an example of a player not considering themselves as a scumspect in order to solve the game. DI'd I mistyped something? I guess there was a period there where it shouldn't be. I'm saying you look like you're solving.
Fair enough. It reads like you're implying that I'm not solving, but I see how that could be read differently.
I know I doubt my mafia skills here quite often, but I'm visiting a bunch of friends who do live streams and we did a two town of salem games; one where I carried mafia to a flawless victory (even though I claimed investigator and got the investigator lynched, I somehow didn't die) and then as town, immediately caught the godfather as a jailer and got him lynched only for the mafia to kill me the following night.
Crazy fun games, but what the duck why am I so bad at mafia here.
The one thing I do like about RVS is it gives me a chance to wiggle, loosen up, etc. along with getting a shot of everyone (attempting to) acting a little casual for an IRL day or two and the switches in tone give me better feels on the players. To aggressively stomp it out so soon is forcing me to play a little out of my comfort zone is a tad unpleasant. That's fine, I'll adjust, even if I'm unhappy about it.
Maybe I missed some of these answers because of sudden short term memory loss (I'm really tired), but do you think RVS is entirely useless/a waste of time? Have you had a bitter experience about it which caused you to hate it or were you immediately not he fan the first time you experienced it? Was there an RVS in your first-ever (forum) mafia game?
You just said it: "acting" a little casual. RVS gives people a chance to act a certain way without any game pressure to bring out their real behaviors. The fact that I'm "forcing [you] to play a little out of [your] comfort zone" is exactly what I want. People in their comfort zones are also more comfortable lying easily, and that's not at all helpful for my reads.
RVS certainly can have its uses in getting to know people, but don't you already know most of the players here?
I'm quite new to play-by-post Mafia (no completed games yet), but my old IRL group always rushed through the early-game banter pretty quickly (partly due to me pushing through it quickly). Though, to be fair, it's a little easier when you can also get body language reads IRL, so things can progress much more quickly.
Eternals attack on study Latin early game gives me the scumvibes.
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No pressure yet though. Too early.
...No. Give me a ******* reason. I'd much prefer you attacking me for good reason, even if it involved an actual vote, than you throwing shade without an explanation while trying to fencesit about it. JeY's vote on me sparked useful interaction, so I quite like that post. Your post does nothing, especially when preceded by your post #32 that clearly shows an unwillingness to engage on the actual facts of the thread (since I'd already explained my thought processes twice before that).
... Your. Attack. On. Study. Fear mongering his question (saying who is the best player is one thing... best scum player yadda yadda)... You know, what I've been saying?
Do I seem "on edge" in my interactions with JeY, who's actually voting me unlike you? No, because I have no problem with pressure on me; if I were concerned about that, I wouldn't make it a point to be the first one to push through RVS in every game. You, on the other hand, are not being a useful Townie. Fix that *****.
I already explained, well before your post #32, that my issue with his question had nothing to do with fear-mongering and that it wasn't even a real attack; his over-reaction just painted it as such, as Kabazame noted. I just don't like questions that will lead people to scum-read experienced players simply by virtue of their experience, for reasons that should be obvious.
So, if you're scum-reading me, give me real reasons for it, base them on actually reading my posts, and interact with me over them, as JeY is doing. Saying "I have scumvibes but I'm going to sit around and let other people drive the wagon for me" is the scummiest way possible to throw shade.
Eternal is very aggressive right now. Leaning town for now.
its so... winky
like, "harhar im scumreading you."
they kept going at it a bit but it was always chummy and just petered off.
not gonna say its specifically a w/w interaction, but definitely doesnt point against it.
Town:
Rodemy: a Goat. Ate everyones shoes N1 actually.
Cantrip/EL: That explosion and anger was legit i believe.
PA: He wants to figure out the game. I like it.
Scum
Study Latin: Throwing out scum accusations, saying he will explain.. and then not explaining. Saying he has no time to explain.. after he said he will explain. Rushing to lynch. This is scum as scum can be.
kaba: Read above
Jey: Just.. scummy.
LnGrr: Scum because Jey is scum. Post 958 for example. And all of EoD yesterday. His lack of attack on the person he was trying to get lynched yesterday.. a complete 180 actually because he is no longer a scumspect to him..
Feels like he was bussing end of day andthen "Hey zionite lynch lets do this" (although he said he was done jumping around}
Also, asking for a reads list to see where my head is at? You've been asking me questions a lot recently. i have answered them. yet you still don't know? I posted who i thought was scum before i believe.
Anyway, lynch jey, then GrrR and lets see about the other two later.
no mention at all of tubba
lngrrr scum but only with jey, pushing for jey first but only giving reasons on lngrrr. classic.
and bonus further proof its not rodemy/jey, though im already there
and he really tried everything to make kaba a suspect.
theres even a reachy attempt to setup game:
Would really appreciate a sanity check on the RVS double standard thing.
Rodemy is attacking Killjoy, literally saying he must justify an opinion because it's unjustifiable. He is, by his own paramaters, putting Killjoy in an impossible position. Again, for saying the words "potential light scumread"
Shadow was probing for meaning in Eternal/Vaimes' posts while his own seemed crafted to have none. But both him and Eternal really seem to be at the same place from different directions. Where Shadow was random early on real solving seems to have steadily crept in, and really that's all Eternal seems to have been doing with yes serious but not super serious pushing he just doesn't think of it as random at all.
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All the issues I had with Rodemy the first day or two are still there. The opportunism/out of context reads, the overreaction to killjoy scumreading him, the ridiculous Kaba push. And the associations that made me put him aside ended up either flipping town or... being Jey... who is probably town... I guess...
Now adding in avoiding town wagons and interactions (or lack thereof) with Tubba, and yes I think Rodemy looks like scum.
I only had time for ~half of the reading I wanted to get done this weekend. Right now I'm thinking tubba/lngrrr/rodemy, with the 4th being likely one of KJ/Anak but I haven't dove deep on either yet. Maybe leaning a little back towards Killjoy for super esoteric reasons.
His logic on me not being on any of the mislynch wagons is dumb, considering at the time he was on both and off tubbas which is WAY more suspicious. Also, by saying I wasn't on those wagons and easily hopped on tubbas because he was scum because "thats what scum!rodemy would do" is bull*****. What about the people i was voting? Saying I would hop on scum wagons because that is what "scum!rodemy would do" is saying that the wagons I was on the first 2 days were scum, which he shouldn't know unless he knows I wasn't voting town.
Regarding the bolded:
No
I'm saying you avoided being on the mislynch wagons. I've been over this. Nacho has been over this. Sir Chris has been over this.
Scum don't like to have their names associated with mislynches. Or at least not too many scum on too many mislynches. That's why scum are so often on counterwagons. It's why you can look at wagons and try to figure out how scum spread themselves out.
In this case, it doesn't matter who you were voting for. Only who you weren't voting for.
So ok. You were off-wagon the first two days. Why? Did you think those people were town? Did you try to stop their lynch or were you just happy to let them get lynched without getting your hands dirty?
Reading his reads on me are kind of like, "he plays about the same no matter what alignment. (I know he's town) Let's make everything he does appear scummy."
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Except he's seen town me enough to go "yup, that's him" (**** am I using meta to try and lynch someone.. I'm cringing.. what have I become?)
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So toms vote on jey seems very odd because he had reasons for voting me. Like, decent ones.
...
this disconnect, where half his case on me is about my bad reasons for scumreading him and then saying i have good reasons.
Oh? Explain. give me a PBP (read 2 posts.) I don't buy scumreads based off 2 rvs posts. The only thing you can get a scumlean from my first post is the fact i am voting seppel (my only meta) which would mean you'd mention Jey's vote on iso.. buuut hey you don't mention him at all. So it would have to be my one post about Eternal fearmongoring. What about that pings your scumdar?
Lngrrr/Tubba mostly ignored each other. Lngrrr put him in his scumreads but no real push or reasoning.
Rodemy never mentioned Tubba before sheeping Pizza and voting him. Tubba nullread him but shaded grapefruit for his townread.
Lngrr gave nothing on Rodemy except "he's not participating" and Rodemy gave basically nothing back and tried to lynch me over him.
Eternal/Rodemy was kinda feisty at the beginning of day 1, but sort of morphed into a weird cohabitation where Rodemy townread him for being frustrated and Eternal just put Rodemy in his possible scum pile and never talked about him.
Eternal/Tubba mostly just ignored each other too.
Eternal/Lngrr got pretty contentious. But nothing actually came of it and they ended up voting together much of day 2.
And then Jey got pushed by tubba all game, voted both scum, and went at it with Eternal really genuinely.
Maybe it's just obvious to me since he's confirmed scum now and I had already basically figured it out before that, but rods defense of... Basically reductive dismissal of the pretty massive amount of points against him to the one or two things he thinks he can defend against is blatant as ****.
He's so full of ***** right now all I can do is laugh
Ah, also forgot: JeyK's vote on Eternal is semi-useless because we know she wants to lynch EternalLurker, as she has since early D1. By continuing to keep her vote on there, she isn't putting any new information into the thread, and I think she has proven that she can't push a good case against Eternal. So nothing is gained, and continuing to repeat various versions of "Scummy but I can't put my finger on it" won't help.
My vote 1) got his attention and 2) signifies I am willing to lynch him, which I think is new information.
I read this and realised it could apply to me as well. By focusing on JeY, I've been ignoring other players.
I'm not moving my vote for previously stated reasons, but I am going to pull back and look over things to see what else is going on.
@Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?
Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.
It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.
@Tubba, because if you think Cantrip is scummy, he's just going to coast the next Day or so with hardcore lurking. Not sure if you've noticed, but wagons on lurkers don't really go anywhere.
Also, the amount of people doubting Kaba right now is pretty ridiculous. He's been alive one Night. If he is alive toMorrow, maybe. But right now everyone is throwing shade at his claim, and it makes it easier for scum to jump in and try to discredit the un-counter-claimed cop.
I'll be available, though if it gets to 28 or 29 hours from now that's my sleeping time so I promise nothing past that.
If we aren't asking an extension, I ask everyone to list their top 3 lynch candidates, REGARDLESS of how likely you think that lynch is toDay. We can work that out later.
1) Lurker/Cantrip/Terry
2) Pa Tennis
3) Tubba Fett
@PizzaGuy, respectfully disagree with you. My point is that looking at the vote counts is a lot quicker than ISO'ing Killjoy for me. Re: scumspects, I usually focus on the one or two people I find scummiest, and then work the rest out as the game goes along. If you ask me to name four scum suspects right off, I probably won't be very strong on them. Even Tubba, my third read, I'm not that certain of. I try to latch on to the one or two people I think are scummy, determine their alignment, and go from there.
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Rodemy: Another waffle read for me, Rodemy seems to be playing a similar game to Eternal, pushing at perceived weaknesses and applying pressure to get responses.
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GF21: I didn't have a good read on Blues, but Grapefruit's entry post claiming town feels bad, and by basically rehashing the feed and adding no new thoughts, except for a dubious claim that Rodemy is town, basing that claim on Rodemy being essentially unreadable is also troublesome for me.
What I'm guessing happened is they have a roleblocker and decided to just RB me and try to kill someone else. Like I'd be surprised if Vaimes didn't save me last night, and since I was an obvious Doctor target the right play is to RB me and just try to hit the doctor, as long as the roleblocker is alive. I was really close to just claiming roleblocked to keep them wasting it on me but decided against it
Wait.. what?
few things wrong with this.
A: How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...
B: Your assumption that they have a roleblocker is very.. confident.
With this line of reasoning, you should never have claimed that you had one shot so they WOULD keep wasting it on you (assuming they even have an RB)
This is exactly what's been bugging me. Kaba is either lying or at best not telling the whole truth here. The people who keep saying not to worry about it, should start to consider worrying about it!
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<snip> SCUM
GF21: I didn't have a good read on Blues, but Grapefruit's entry post claiming town feels bad, and by basically rehashing the feed and adding no new thoughts, except for a dubious claim that Rodemy is town, basing that claim on Rodemy being essentially unreadable is also troublesome for me.
why would tubba call the claim that rodemy is town "dubious" other than to be able to lynch grape when rodemy flipped scum?
obviously it didnt happen that way. we lynched grape first.
but tubba was null on rodemy. its, like, a really minor perspective slip that he knows rodemy is scum. and makes no goddamn sense at all if rodemy is town
Town:
Rodemy: a Goat. Ate everyones shoes N1 actually.
Cantrip/EL: That explosion and anger was legit i believe.
PA: He wants to figure out the game. I like it.
Scum
Study Latin: Throwing out scum accusations, saying he will explain.. and then not explaining. Saying he has no time to explain.. after he said he will explain. Rushing to lynch. This is scum as scum can be.
kaba: Read above
Jey: Just.. scummy.
LnGrr: Scum because Jey is scum. Post 958 for example. And all of EoD yesterday. His lack of attack on the person he was trying to get lynched yesterday.. a complete 180 actually because he is no longer a scumspect to him..
Feels like he was bussing end of day andthen "Hey zionite lynch lets do this" (although he said he was done jumping around}
Also, asking for a reads list to see where my head is at? You've been asking me questions a lot recently. i have answered them. yet you still don't know? I posted who i thought was scum before i believe.
Anyway, lynch jey, then GrrR and lets see about the other two later.
no mention at all of tubba
lngrrr scum but only with jey, pushing for jey first but only giving reasons on lngrrr. classic.
and bonus further proof its not rodemy/jey, though im already there
and he really tried everything to make kaba a suspect.
theres even a reachy attempt to setup game:
And, like, that defense. He's been doing it all game. He just picks out the part that he can respond to regardless of its importance or context
I'm not saying setup gaming is something scumrodemy would do that town rodemy wouldn't. I'm saying he was reaching to make kaba a suspect. Which is pretty clear imo. And this "oh I setup game as town" is not relevant at all.
And, like, that defense. He's been doing it all game. He just picks out the part that he can respond to regardless of its importance or context
I'm not saying setup gaming is something scumrodemy would do that town rodemy wouldn't. I'm saying he was reaching to make kaba a suspect. Which is pretty clear imo. And this "oh I setup game as town" is not relevant at all.
Then accusing me of set up gaming isn't relevant. If you are gonna mention something like while trying to make a case on me, I'm gonna assume that is part of the case.
The grr is scum while jey is scum isn't that irrelevant, considering jey is still alive. Grr was scum.
Jey could still be scum.
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I wanted to lynch jey. grr would have flipped as scum, so my want to have him lynched seems justified. but where, at that point in the game, were you town reading jey? You were actually voting him at that point. So, why are you acting like me wanting to lynch jey at that point in the game was a bad thing?
Are you saying that because i tried to find a dichotomy between one confirmed scum and jey, I'm scummy?
Like what is the point of mentioning these things?
Jey was super scummy, so much so you wanted him lynched too. In fact he was the lead wagon at the time, so why would I derail someone i thought scummy to lngrr, who I also thought was scummy (and actually was scum!)
If jey is town, yeah, i can see that bein a fairly scummy thing to do, however, we have no clue what she is. So are you trying to say Jey is town?
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I just read Tom's iso...again. I feel like Tom should be town, but I know how he plays as scum and it bothers me; because several things he has accused people of/talked about doing in the past could be applicable to him.
Stuff like
-Calling buddies scum but pushing townies
-"I guess there is not power wolf, lol"
-"Solving" the game as scum, I.E., identifying which mislynch he would need to win.
-Etc.
The most annoying part is that this all makes some sense if he's town too.
I just read Tom's iso...again. I feel like Tom should be town, but I know how he plays as scum and it bothers me; because several things he has accused people of/talked about doing in the past could be applicable to him.
Stuff like
-Calling buddies scum but pushing townies
-"I guess there is not power wolf, lol"
-"Solving" the game as scum, I.E., identifying which mislynch he would need to win.
-Etc.
The most annoying part is that this all makes some sense if he's town too.
*Pulls hair out*
I wish there was a way I could help. :/
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Look at my case on him. Tell me what you think is wrong.
Now that we are both non-mobile, can you please restate your case on Tom? All I've been seeing is that "Tom thinks I'm scum, so he must be scum," which sadly is kind of convincing in a pitiful sort of way.
Look at my case on him. Tell me what you think is wrong.
Now that we are both non-mobile, can you please restate your case on Tom? All I've been seeing is that "Tom thinks I'm scum, so he must be scum," which sadly is kind of convincing in a pitiful sort of way
It's the way he is painting me as scum. His arguments are a load of "scumtells" that I have done as town.
Also, i am done repeating myself. Iso me and read like the first 2 pages and get back to me.
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Look at my case on him. Tell me what you think is wrong.
Now that we are both non-mobile, can you please restate your case on Tom? All I've been seeing is that "Tom thinks I'm scum, so he must be scum," which sadly is kind of convincing in a pitiful sort of way
It's the way he is painting me as scum. His arguments are a load of "scumtells" that I have done as town.
Also, i am done repeating myself. Iso me and read like the first 2 pages and get back to me.
That's the thing, I have read it and will read it again, but your case is essentially that he's calling you scum and you just repeated when I specifically asked you for a case. Him calling you scum is not a case. Since it appears you have no interest in putting effort into this I'll go back and do it for you.
Terry, i get you are frustrated, but getting mad at me for petty things is not how we solve this game.
If someone asked me to repeat myself, i would do it. At least I am trying to solve the game by interacting with you.
I am on phone as well. It's hard to iso on a phone.
I'm just trying to save time.i gotta bike a hour to work an won't be back til tonight.
Just pointing out that you said if I asked you to repeat yourself you wouldn't but you didn't when I asked
I was gonna mention you getting upset, but I decided to be the bigger person.
Yeah, I'm still on my phone, seeing as you can iso now, i told you where to find the case.
I'm sorry Rodemy, but I'm just not seeing it. You are actually going to have to put in some work if you want me to vote tom over you. I read up and down the last 3 pages of your ISO and it's a bunch of calling Tom scum for calling you scum. Just a bunch of OMGUS. Right now the defense of "I'm better than this as scum" isn't really sliding. The only reason I haven't voted you yet is because I get this twinge of town-desperation reading your posts. Help me out here and actually present a case with points we can look at. I don't buy Meta arguments.
Also, I'm starting to think JeyK, may be the other scum. Super absent and uninterested.
Two things: She's been on V/LA so that's a little bit unfair; but from your perspective it could only be her and me and I should be pretty solidly town to everyone at this point.
Also, I don't think Rodemy is scum. And I don't think my mind is going to change on this. I will lynch Tom, but I will hold my vote until we are ready to lynch, but I have decided how I want to end this day.
Rodemy, while you've said lots of stuff about why Tom is scum, it really would be helpful if you just did a post going over the bullet points of your reasons. I don't need quotes or anything, but please put it altogether because your iso is messy and not what I (nor Terry) feel like delving into.
Shadow, do me a favor and pow wow here with me. Are you feeling the same way as I am? All signs point to Rodemy scum, but his desperate pleas sound town?
Shadow, do me a favor and pow wow here with me. Are you feeling the same way as I am? All signs point to Rodemy scum, but his desperate pleas sound town?
I don't even know if all signs point to him being scum, like his complete lack of interaction with Tubba would surprise me from scum!Rodemy. And he's just sounded town for much of this game for me.
And the indignation with the attacks being made against him has this "righteous" feel; he isn't trying to defend against a warranted attack, he's rebuffing things that don't fit quite right in the narrative against him.
Shadow, do me a favor and pow wow here with me. Are you feeling the same way as I am? All signs point to Rodemy scum, but his desperate pleas sound town?
I don't even know if all signs point to him being scum, like his complete lack of interaction with Tubba would surprise me from scum!Rodemy. And he's just sounded town for much of this game for me.
And the indignation with the attacks being made against him has this "righteous" feel; he isn't trying to defend against a warranted attack, he's rebuffing things that don't fit quite right in the narrative against him.
So the first comment is Meta stuff, I'm not going to buy it, but I think the second quote is more where my head is at. When I said all signs point to Scum!Rodemy, I was referring to the constant OMGUS and the speed hammer of KJ. It really frustrates me if he is actually town because his effort level has been so low. I just can't figure out if I'm leaning Rod scum because of play or frustration with his level of play. Does that make sense? I remember this happening with Cyan too, so I'm weary of going gun ho on him being scum for what seems like obvious scum moves and the fact that he's playing the "I'm never this bad as scum" card makes me think he's doing just that, playing a card to get me to be sympathetic.
Point by point:
* Tom suggests scum!Rodemy would avoid town lynches and buss his buddies, using d1 and d2 as examples.
Yet d2 i was on the lead wagon til he changed it.
*Tom fights for tubba not to die.
*He has clung to me since d1. For... asking killjoy about his scumread on me.
At the time, i posted 2 posts. Nothing to gather a lot of info from. It pinged me.
Tom thinks "oh, obviously it's scum over reacting" as if I would make such childish mistakes as scum. Pshaw. I've been around the block a few times.
* he has never let up on his scum read. Not once. He has dropped reads on other people (for example jey) but not me.
He is constanly pushing that I had no Interactions with tubba, yet tubba barely posted and never caught my eye (due to the walls of texts that just destroyed my attention span.)
Tom is just.. ugggh.
*The fact he isn't dead yet means he is scum. I am sure the scum team would have lynched town!tom by now.
With my conviction and unwillingness to move from tom, you'd think scumteam would just pile there 2 votes on and game over.
But that hasn't happened yet. Has it?
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Thank you Rodemy. Most of those points are rooted in just a couple larger over laying ones. Namely, IF you are town you HAVE to know the Tom is scum. Same goes for Tom. IF Tom is town, he KNOWS you are scum. However, everyone but the remaining scum team don't KNOW any of that. We are where we are today because several fights people had creating dichotomies, some of them have proven to be Town v Town, so to say that that's a reason that we should Lynch him over you isn't really relevant. I do find it suspicious that you had very little interaction with Tubba and then reluctantly lynched him. So most of these points don't have me sold, but there is one that I want to look more into. Did he really fight to keep Tubba alive? I would find that pretty suspicious, but I don't know which is more suspicious, scum!Rodemy reluctantly bussing Tubba, or scum!Tom trying to save a scum buddy. I'm going back to look at the Tubba Lynch and see if Tom fought.
Thank you Rodemy. Most of those points are rooted in just a couple larger over laying ones. Namely, IF you are town you HAVE to know the Tom is scum. Same goes for Tom. IF Tom is town, he KNOWS you are scum. However, everyone but the remaining scum team don't KNOW any of that. We are where we are today because several fights people had creating dichotomies, some of them have proven to be Town v Town, so to say that that's a reason that we should Lynch him over you isn't really relevant. I do find it suspicious that you had very little interaction with Tubba and then reluctantly lynched him. So most of these points don't have me sold, but there is one that I want to look more into. Did he really fight to keep Tubba alive? I would find that pretty suspicious, but I don't know which is more suspicious, scum!Rodemy reluctantly bussing Tubba, or scum!Tom trying to save a scum buddy. I'm going back to look at the Tubba Lynch and see if Tom fought.
Tom didn't actively fight it, but he specifically didn't join it, and had Tubba as town the entire game to that point. He didn't really progress on Tubba much either, just said he seemed noob!town day one and then that simmered the rest of the game without him refocusing that read.
@Tom: a couple of times you said you needed to reread me, did you ever do that?
I chose tubba because i agreed eith pizzas posts. Go back and read them. He made some good points. Yeah, i was suspicious of him at first (and I stated why I thought so), but in the end he kicked ass.
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I have to get a little work done tonight but I'll see about getting back into the swing of things tomorrow. I'm definitely not uninterested, I'm just... super torn, and I desperately want to be right.
I'll hate myself forever if I vote and then a lynch happens, and the moment it does I'll instantly regret it and should've gone the other way
I have to get a little work done tonight but I'll see about getting back into the swing of things tomorrow. I'm definitely not uninterested, I'm just... super torn, and I desperately want to be right.
I'll hate myself forever if I vote and then a lynch happens, and the moment it does I'll instantly regret it and should've gone the other way
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I just read Tom's iso...again. I feel like Tom should be town, but I know how he plays as scum and it bothers me; because several things he has accused people of/talked about doing in the past could be applicable to him.
Stuff like
-Calling buddies scum but pushing townies
-"I guess there is not power wolf, lol"
-"Solving" the game as scum, I.E., identifying which mislynch he would need to win.
-Etc.
The most annoying part is that this all makes some sense if he's town too.
*Pulls hair out*
i think i see what you mean here
iirc i at one point had a scumtrio of lngrr/jey/kj that i would probably be pretty proud of if i was scum with lngrr.
and god damn that low accountability townread of tubba. though i do remember arching an eyebrow to his drop off in... doing anything. i wanted him to be newbtown getting better but i think he just had a strong start and then didnt know what to do. which, btw, i think points reasonably strongly to him not having someone like you or me who would be coaching the ***** out of him at night, making sure he kept it up.
not really sure what to tell you on that.
maybe look at the way my reads changed after tubba flipped?
not to lead you, but does it look like i knew that was coming?
Like not voting.
You were also off the tubba lynch. Why didn't YOU want to lynch tubba?
@Tom: who's scum with Rodemy?
The only scum Rodemy I've really seen was Bare Bones, and he was clever, and he thought through things.
The flip side of this is that it does feel like he's throwing out anything he can to get it to stick and failing, but he's done that as town so
Rod v Tom
Jey v Terry
I'm at the point where I think I'd vote Tom, but feel like I was getting it wrong the entire time.
I almost think I have a better chance to hit scum if I flip the other coin and vote between Jey and Terry. Obviously everyone else in the game is going to freak out and go "Oh No Shadow don't do that ya fricken idiot!" So I'm holding back. I'm seriously contemplating that though.
Nono. You made note to mention who was on and off lynches. I'm pointing out the one person you missed in the equation: Yourself.
There are reasons I wasn't on the lynches I wasn't on.
Also that post was a lot of... nothing. It was stating information we already know.
I don't buy someone hammering before you can vote.
Can i see your case on tubba?
You are getting a little aggressive right now and I don't think That's a good thing.
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Ugh. I meant, like, in trying to make sense of his votecount analysis. There really is.. none. It's quoting the votes and.. Saying who was on what. It was more of a narrative.
So he was naming who was on and off lynches. I learned *nothing* new.
I would, however, learn something new if I take his analysis and ask him about it.
He asked Tom why he didn't vote tubba. I asked HIM why HE didn't vote tubba.
His mindset seemed focused on analyzing votecount as such, so why not do the same thing, but to him and see where it leads.
So i mention he "wasn't on two lynches, so what does that mean?"
His reply was aggressive. (*pay attention to the game*) and fairly odd mentioning close to voting tom but instead feels the need to mention he *was* townreading me, and then asks tom another question,
Tom please answer the first question.
Terry, he is, for some reasom, stating you and I are buddies. And it feels lile he will probably start your wagon soon. Can't lynch me, lynch "my partner" instead.
If You flip scum, tom then goes to me. Kills jey so it's just me him and shadow (Jesus Christ you sly ****er) entertainment ensues.
*wakes up*
Anyway.
Idk why tom is suddenly saying we are partners. That's.. weird.
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Do something yourself. Read the thread. Use the iso feature. I shouldn't have to iso myself and find a post I know is there because you're too lazy to read the thread. Your either scum or a liability because you don't read the thread and if we lose this game by lynching you, it's on you and you're not reading quick hammer not me.
No one that is truly solving the game (see Shadows post about coin flips). Includes them self as a question mark while solving. It's the one given a town player has.
So I apologize for being kurt, but I can't deal with your laziness in lylo (which we are in because of your laziness or scumminess), especially when I'm mobile only.
Terry, go back and read that post again and tell me you still think I'm not trying to solve this game. Because that's not what I said, or implied, and it's frankly false.
I currently am looking at two dichotomies, and I think I might have an easier time solving you/Jey than Rod/tom.
If someone asked me to repeat myself, i would do it. At least I am trying to solve the game by interacting with you.
I am on phone as well. It's hard to iso on a phone.
I'm just trying to save time.i gotta bike a hour to work an won't be back til tonight.
Crazy fun games, but what the duck why am I so bad at mafia here.
Anyway see y'all Monday as planned
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like, "harhar im scumreading you."
they kept going at it a bit but it was always chummy and just petered off.
not gonna say its specifically a w/w interaction, but definitely doesnt point against it.
lngrrr scum but only with jey, pushing for jey first but only giving reasons on lngrrr. classic.
and bonus further proof its not rodemy/jey, though im already there
and he really tried everything to make kaba a suspect.
theres even a reachy attempt to setup game:
I set up game a bit in apocalypse. Actually a lot. And I was town. So, NAI.
Good try there buddy.
I'm not saying setup gaming is something scumrodemy would do that town rodemy wouldn't. I'm saying he was reaching to make kaba a suspect. Which is pretty clear imo. And this "oh I setup game as town" is not relevant at all.
Then accusing me of set up gaming isn't relevant. If you are gonna mention something like while trying to make a case on me, I'm gonna assume that is part of the case.
The grr is scum while jey is scum isn't that irrelevant, considering jey is still alive. Grr was scum.
Jey could still be scum.
What's classic about pushing jey first then grr?
I wanted to lynch jey. grr would have flipped as scum, so my want to have him lynched seems justified. but where, at that point in the game, were you town reading jey? You were actually voting him at that point. So, why are you acting like me wanting to lynch jey at that point in the game was a bad thing?
Are you saying that because i tried to find a dichotomy between one confirmed scum and jey, I'm scummy?
Like what is the point of mentioning these things?
Jey was super scummy, so much so you wanted him lynched too. In fact he was the lead wagon at the time, so why would I derail someone i thought scummy to lngrr, who I also thought was scummy (and actually was scum!)
If jey is town, yeah, i can see that bein a fairly scummy thing to do, however, we have no clue what she is. So are you trying to say Jey is town?
Stuff like
-Calling buddies scum but pushing townies
-"I guess there is not power wolf, lol"
-"Solving" the game as scum, I.E., identifying which mislynch he would need to win.
-Etc.
The most annoying part is that this all makes some sense if he's town too.
*Pulls hair out*
I wish there was a way I could help. :/
Look at my case on him. Tell me what you think is wrong.
It's the way he is painting me as scum. His arguments are a load of "scumtells" that I have done as town.
Also, i am done repeating myself. Iso me and read like the first 2 pages and get back to me.
I was gonna mention you getting upset, but I decided to be the bigger person.
Yeah, I'm still on my phone, seeing as you can iso now, i told you where to find the case.
Rodemy - 1 (tomsloger)
tomsloger - 1 (Rodemy)
Not Voting - 3 (JeY k, shadowlancerx, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch
The deadline is in one week
Also, I don't think Rodemy is scum. And I don't think my mind is going to change on this. I will lynch Tom, but I will hold my vote until we are ready to lynch, but I have decided how I want to end this day.
Now I'm second guessing again.
Rodemy, while you've said lots of stuff about why Tom is scum, it really would be helpful if you just did a post going over the bullet points of your reasons. I don't need quotes or anything, but please put it altogether because your iso is messy and not what I (nor Terry) feel like delving into.
* Tom suggests scum!Rodemy would avoid town lynches and buss his buddies, using d1 and d2 as examples.
Yet d2 i was on the lead wagon til he changed it.
*Tom fights for tubba not to die.
*He has clung to me since d1. For... asking killjoy about his scumread on me.
At the time, i posted 2 posts. Nothing to gather a lot of info from. It pinged me.
Tom thinks "oh, obviously it's scum over reacting" as if I would make such childish mistakes as scum. Pshaw. I've been around the block a few times.
* he has never let up on his scum read. Not once. He has dropped reads on other people (for example jey) but not me.
He is constanly pushing that I had no Interactions with tubba, yet tubba barely posted and never caught my eye (due to the walls of texts that just destroyed my attention span.)
Tom is just.. ugggh.
*The fact he isn't dead yet means he is scum. I am sure the scum team would have lynched town!tom by now.
With my conviction and unwillingness to move from tom, you'd think scumteam would just pile there 2 votes on and game over.
But that hasn't happened yet. Has it?
@Tom: a couple of times you said you needed to reread me, did you ever do that?
I'll hate myself forever if I vote and then a lynch happens, and the moment it does I'll instantly regret it and should've gone the other way
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iirc i at one point had a scumtrio of lngrr/jey/kj that i would probably be pretty proud of if i was scum with lngrr.
and god damn that low accountability townread of tubba. though i do remember arching an eyebrow to his drop off in... doing anything. i wanted him to be newbtown getting better but i think he just had a strong start and then didnt know what to do. which, btw, i think points reasonably strongly to him not having someone like you or me who would be coaching the ***** out of him at night, making sure he kept it up.
not really sure what to tell you on that.
maybe look at the way my reads changed after tubba flipped?
not to lead you, but does it look like i knew that was coming?