I'm admitting I am not reading that much. I'm kinda skimming here and there. I consider this my "not much effort" game. Considering I am moving into a new apt tomorrow and I've been busy with life, i haven't had time to actually pay full attention.
Not gonna replace out though. I have found time here and there. But only to read back a page here and there.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ah, also forgot: JeyK's vote on Eternal is semi-useless because we know she wants to lynch EternalLurker, as she has since early D1. By continuing to keep her vote on there, she isn't putting any new information into the thread, and I think she has proven that she can't push a good case against Eternal. So nothing is gained, and continuing to repeat various versions of "Scummy but I can't put my finger on it" won't help.
My vote 1) got his attention and 2) signifies I am willing to lynch him, which I think is new information.
I read this and realised it could apply to me as well. By focusing on JeY, I've been ignoring other players.
I'm not moving my vote for previously stated reasons, but I am going to pull back and look over things to see what else is going on.
@Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?
Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.
It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.
@Tubba, because if you think Cantrip is scummy, he's just going to coast the next Day or so with hardcore lurking. Not sure if you've noticed, but wagons on lurkers don't really go anywhere.
Also, the amount of people doubting Kaba right now is pretty ridiculous. He's been alive one Night. If he is alive toMorrow, maybe. But right now everyone is throwing shade at his claim, and it makes it easier for scum to jump in and try to discredit the un-counter-claimed cop.
I'll be available, though if it gets to 28 or 29 hours from now that's my sleeping time so I promise nothing past that.
If we aren't asking an extension, I ask everyone to list their top 3 lynch candidates, REGARDLESS of how likely you think that lynch is toDay. We can work that out later.
1) Lurker/Cantrip/Terry
2) Pa Tennis
3) Tubba Fett
@PizzaGuy, respectfully disagree with you. My point is that looking at the vote counts is a lot quicker than ISO'ing Killjoy for me. Re: scumspects, I usually focus on the one or two people I find scummiest, and then work the rest out as the game goes along. If you ask me to name four scum suspects right off, I probably won't be very strong on them. Even Tubba, my third read, I'm not that certain of. I try to latch on to the one or two people I think are scummy, determine their alignment, and go from there.
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Rodemy: Another waffle read for me, Rodemy seems to be playing a similar game to Eternal, pushing at perceived weaknesses and applying pressure to get responses.
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GF21: I didn't have a good read on Blues, but Grapefruit's entry post claiming town feels bad, and by basically rehashing the feed and adding no new thoughts, except for a dubious claim that Rodemy is town, basing that claim on Rodemy being essentially unreadable is also troublesome for me.
@Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?
Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.
It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.
What I'm guessing happened is they have a roleblocker and decided to just RB me and try to kill someone else. Like I'd be surprised if Vaimes didn't save me last night, and since I was an obvious Doctor target the right play is to RB me and just try to hit the doctor, as long as the roleblocker is alive. I was really close to just claiming roleblocked to keep them wasting it on me but decided against it
Wait.. what?
few things wrong with this.
A: How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...
B: Your assumption that they have a roleblocker is very.. confident.
With this line of reasoning, you should never have claimed that you had one shot so they WOULD keep wasting it on you (assuming they even have an RB)
This is exactly what's been bugging me. Kaba is either lying or at best not telling the whole truth here. The people who keep saying not to worry about it, should start to consider worrying about it!
Tubba does look to be just pushing a vulnerable target in Jey to avoid talking about other things. Which does seem more likely to make Jey town. Pizza thought her not bussing him back cemented that. Not really sure why. Her approach to Tubba does look like partners. His doesn't.
If I'm on the right track at all, this scumteam is avoiding interacting with each other. And Jey certainly doesn't work there.
I'm vanilla town, Gouge Out Me Eyes Dobbler. If that helps anyone
Vote: Tubba
I don't love Tubba as a lynch, but anyone over me or a no lynch.
@Jey You may disagree with Pa, but calling him out for not solving the game and pushing bull***** isn't fair. Why are you even nominating him as a new candidate this close to lynch? Be more useful with your vote
Loving Pizza's posts. This is how you play mafia. Find myself agreeing with quite a lot of what he says and I like the pov style. Not entirely sold on JeyK being town (although I'm leaning that way) or LnGrrr being scum, but that's a minority. I was leaning town on StudyLatin or at least had no reason to believe he was scum so happy to trust him.
Tubba's response to Pizza, particularly "Your slot has no such confirmation, but everybody has to clear themselves to you? Latin had some town blood on his hands, iirc the votes. Why do you get a free pass?" #1195 looks like panic trying to stay calm. His post #1215 is not a townie trying to get a correct lynch with one day left on the clock. It's someone trying to defend themselves without freaking out.
Disagree with JeyK on pa Tennis. He's one to look at but not with four hours to the goddamn deadline.
Vote: TubbaFett as he is the larger wagon atm. Still happy for Anak but I don't see that switching in this short time period. That's four votes. We have an hour and a half left, people...
I've got a scum inside my greens and above if this slot is town. Not all my nulls are scum, but I think for partners, it's inside Jey K or El-slot if this is wrong. I don't think it can be shadow and pa and anak and lngrrr. Which means I didn't make a good circle.
I need to know that to go forward.
Not a lot of info here. Will see more context when I iso anak/killjoy. Rodemy not mentioning Tubba all game and then joining the wagon to sheep Pizza is noted.
PTAP: Sorry I have been put for a bit guys, had to bring my 1 year old to get xrays done at a hospital like 2 hours away yesterday. Gonna try to get some time to respond to questions today.
@toast
All the issues I had with Rodemy the first day or two are still there. The opportunism/out of context reads, the overreaction to killjoy scumreading him, the ridiculous Kaba push. And the associations that made me put him aside ended up either flipping town or... being Jey... who is probably town... I guess...
Now adding in avoiding town wagons and interactions (or lack thereof) with Tubba, and yes I think Rodemy looks like scum.
I only had time for ~half of the reading I wanted to get done this weekend. Right now I'm thinking tubba/lngrrr/rodemy, with the 4th being likely one of KJ/Anak but I haven't dove deep on either yet. Maybe leaning a little back towards Killjoy for super esoteric reasons.
Toast - is just always town. Behavior and mechanics.
Kaba - essentially the same as above. I've connected with his mindset a bunch.
Shadow - probably ought to do some due diligence here because shadow, but I've felt good about him all game and the tubba push does not look like a bus.
StinkyJoe - haven't really liked his thoughts, and no opinion on Cantrip. But Eternal looked really town.
Jey - don't think that's how Tubba treats a buddy in his first game. Looks much less likely than the way he largely ignored and occasionally talked about other people with Lngrrr and Rodemy.
Killjoy/Anak - (screaming internally)
Rodemy - see above
Lngrrr - see, like, my entire iso
The words 'screaming internally' always make me laugh.
I don't want to work today but given I have 74 hours to burn in a 28-hour workday period, **** me I guess.
Without doing my re-reading Pa's latest posts put him back in my town bucket and is making way more sense; not sure what was so out of touch from before.
@Killjoy confirming acknowledgement of your question
My plan for Monday night, if I even get time to play: Re-read LnGrrrR and Pa Tennis (still).
I actually don't really, I just have a stronger town read on KJ and Terry. I feel like I'm still mostly null on you which makes me worried, although I still have to reread to see if it's because my memory is bad or because you've flown under the radar. Anyway, I still have it in my head that you're a great scum player so you're always on my radar
On a side note, I found the post I was thinking of before (when you asked where I heard you were good as scum)! It was Anak talking about how you rolled him as scum recently.
@LnGrrR: Why the vote on Pa Tennis right out the gate? Also, opinion on Anak?
@Jey: Same question, but please answer after Ln does. I'd also like your opinion on Anak.
@Shadow: I'm not a huge fan that he's still pushing a dichotomy between myself and Anak, and isn't actively trying to form an opinion on either of us. He also seems aware of that, which is no the best, but his playstyle seems to be less actively scumhunty anyway. Overall, I'm lightly scumreading him, but as I said before my reads on Tom tend to be wrong. For lack of any other information, I'm willing to trust it though at this stage.
@StinkyJoe: He's scum. I've been wanting to lynch him since at least D2. All his reads are obviously fake. The fact that people are finally coming around makes me happy.
Yeah Rodemy is either not reading or feigning ignorance, considering it's been brought up several times that Pa Tennis is Tom (and I don't even know who Tom is!)
Either way I still think Rodemy is scum like I did yesterday
Vote: Rodemy
Town: Me, Toast, Pa Tennis, Anak
I don't think Jey makes much sense as scum here, based on everything that's gone down. I think newb scum Tubba found a vulnerable townie and latched on
So probably ~3 scum in Joe Terry, Shadow, Killjoy, Rodemy, and LnGrrR. In order of scumminess I'd say Rodemy > LnGrrR > Shadow > KJ > Terry
I think Rodemy or LnGrrR would be the best lynch today. I really have to reread stuff and ISO people because this is the longest game I've ever been in. I'm used to games that last like a few weeks... lol
I dislike that your scumreads are so far from mine here. You're still a cop, but I'm keeping this in mind.
How is Joe scum, specifially?
Um, didn't you just say Joe was scum? I'm confused. I'm not scum reading him
Pizza being the NK makes sense, by far the most vocal player in the game, and was right about at least one scum. Not sure much can be gained by looking into that choice.
I don't understand voting for Pa at this point. Jey is the exception simply because of her past interactions with Pa, but LnGrrrRs vote looks really poor.
Jey is climbing the town list, I don't see scum coming into the day and make a very emotional post like that calling out a team right after losing a member. I would expect a bit of a regroup and see how they day starts.
I read your very short ISO during the downtime and I'm wondering why:
I don't love Tubba as a lynch, but anyone over me or a no lynch.
@Jey You may disagree with Pa, but calling him out for not solving the game and pushing bull***** isn't fair. Why are you even nominating him as a new candidate this close to lynch? Be more useful with your vote
You were so un enthusiastic about the Tubba Lynch. Why not push Killjoy who you've been scum reading for a long time? In fact, the vote just before yours was Killjoy's on Tubba. But if you were so set to Lynch Killjoy most of the game why are you followingwing his vote on tubba, who's Lynch you apparently didn't like?
On top of that, I would say Pa is another top candidate for a Lynch today, and you are also defending him here.
@Killjoy: What's your current read on Anak?
Because it wasn't like a lynch of KJ was actually going to happen, regardless of what I did at that point in the day? Even if I was good at pushing lynches, which I am not, the odds of that happening were small. The way I saw it, it was me (not so likely then), a No Lynch, or a Tubba lynch if the votes were there. So I cast mine, to get the only possibly good outcome. Do you really think I would have been able to pull off pushing a KJ lynch then?
The more bad Pa is scummy posts people make, the more I think he is town.
I think you could have pushed Killjoy if you really thought he was scum. You didn't try to push him because you didn't think he'd be a likely Lynch? The town Mindset is Lynch someone because they are acting like scum. The Scum mindset is Lynch someone that you think can be lynched.
Pizza being the NK makes sense, by far the most vocal player in the game, and was right about at least one scum. Not sure much can be gained by looking into that choice.
I don't understand voting for Pa at this point. Jey is the exception simply because of her past interactions with Pa, but LnGrrrRs vote looks really poor.
Jey is climbing the town list, I don't see scum coming into the day and make a very emotional post like that calling out a team right after losing a member. I would expect a bit of a regroup and see how they day starts.
I read your very short ISO during the downtime and I'm wondering why:
I don't love Tubba as a lynch, but anyone over me or a no lynch.
@Jey You may disagree with Pa, but calling him out for not solving the game and pushing bull***** isn't fair. Why are you even nominating him as a new candidate this close to lynch? Be more useful with your vote
You were so un enthusiastic about the Tubba Lynch. Why not push Killjoy who you've been scum reading for a long time? In fact, the vote just before yours was Killjoy's on Tubba. But if you were so set to Lynch Killjoy most of the game why are you followingwing his vote on tubba, who's Lynch you apparently didn't like?
On top of that, I would say Pa is another top candidate for a Lynch today, and you are also defending him here.
@Killjoy: What's your current read on Anak?
Because it wasn't like a lynch of KJ was actually going to happen, regardless of what I did at that point in the day? Even if I was good at pushing lynches, which I am not, the odds of that happening were small. The way I saw it, it was me (not so likely then), a No Lynch, or a Tubba lynch if the votes were there. So I cast mine, to get the only possibly good outcome. Do you really think I would have been able to pull off pushing a KJ lynch then?
The more bad Pa is scummy posts people make, the more I think he is town.
I think you could have pushed Killjoy if you really thought he was scum. You didn't try to push him because you didn't think he'd be a likely Lynch? The town Mindset is Lynch someone because they are acting like scum. The Scum mindset is Lynch someone that you think can be lynched.
Toast - is just always town. Behavior and mechanics.
Kaba - essentially the same as above. I've connected with his mindset a bunch.
Shadow - probably ought to do some due diligence here because shadow, but I've felt good about him all game and the tubba push does not look like a bus.
StinkyJoe - haven't really liked his thoughts, and no opinion on Cantrip. But Eternal looked really town.
Jey - don't think that's how Tubba treats a buddy in his first game. Looks much less likely than the way he largely ignored and occasionally talked about other people with Lngrrr and Rodemy.
Killjoy/Anak - (screaming internally)
Rodemy - see above
Lngrrr - see, like, my entire iso
Please explain what you don't like about my thoughts? Do you not like my process or my conclusions?
@LnGrrR: Why the vote on Pa Tennis right out the gate? Also, opinion on Anak?
@Jey: Same question, but please answer after Ln does. I'd also like your opinion on Anak.
@Shadow: I'm not a huge fan that he's still pushing a dichotomy between myself and Anak, and isn't actively trying to form an opinion on either of us. He also seems aware of that, which is no the best, but his playstyle seems to be less actively scumhunty anyway. Overall, I'm lightly scumreading him, but as I said before my reads on Tom tend to be wrong. For lack of any other information, I'm willing to trust it though at this stage.
@StinkyJoe: He's scum. I've been wanting to lynch him since at least D2. All his reads are obviously fake. The fact that people are finally coming around makes me happy.
Yeah Rodemy is either not reading or feigning ignorance, considering it's been brought up several times that Pa Tennis is Tom (and I don't even know who Tom is!)
Either way I still think Rodemy is scum like I did yesterday
Vote: Rodemy
Town: Me, Toast, Pa Tennis, Anak
I don't think Jey makes much sense as scum here, based on everything that's gone down. I think newb scum Tubba found a vulnerable townie and latched on
So probably ~3 scum in Joe Terry, Shadow, Killjoy, Rodemy, and LnGrrR. In order of scumminess I'd say Rodemy > LnGrrR > Shadow > KJ > Terry
I think Rodemy or LnGrrR would be the best lynch today. I really have to reread stuff and ISO people because this is the longest game I've ever been in. I'm used to games that last like a few weeks... lol
I dislike that your scumreads are so far from mine here. You're still a cop, but I'm keeping this in mind.
How is Joe scum, specifially?
Um, didn't you just say Joe was scum? I'm confused. I'm not scum reading him
The way I read it was that he was answering my question about Anak, but just didn't quote it.
So why didn't you? Like you're cop checked which tells me that you're probably town regardless of Kaba's alignment, but I can't help but feel like you're asking permission to vote me here, and it seems weird.
Also, @Toastboy, you based your willingness to vote me solely on Tubba's iso, with no regard to anything I've posted, do you consider that a viable way to come to a scum read typically? Because I think you'll find my play is pretty darn townie.
@Pa: Without the mechanics, both Kabaz and Toast have had some questionable posts, what about their mindsets are you connecting with?
I kind of still think we need to resolve KJ/Anak, and maybe I'm falling victim to a pocket (which would be some great irony) but I'm still not seeing Anak as scum.
Actually, I've forgotten, why is KJ/Anak a dichotomy to some people?
I lied, I actually want to lynch Lingerer. Vote Lingerer
His iso has a lot of soft stances, and I think he's played quite different than he did in Silence of the Lambs. Also, small thing that could very well be irrelevant, but when he responded to Pizza with wagon analysis, when listing people on the wagon he said (paraphrasing) "town, town, unknown, town, unknown, Me" rather than listing himself as town first. I have no actually data on this, but I feel like sometimes scum are hesitant to straight up say they are town for fear of sounding awkward when doing so.
@Pa: Without the mechanics, both Kabaz and Toast have had some questionable posts, what about their mindsets are you connecting with?
I kind of still think we need to resolve KJ/Anak, and maybe I'm falling victim to a pocket (which would be some great irony) but I'm still not seeing Anak as scum.
Actually, I've forgotten, why is KJ/Anak a dichotomy to some people?
I don't necessarily think it's a dichotomy. I actually hate dichotomies, but they each seem to be going back and forth at each other. Anyways, I legitimately think I found a solid scum tell of Anak's so I'm pretty happy lynching him today, then we can can go from there.
Terr, it's kind of hard to give credence to your "solid scum tells" considering how many you've found on town players in the past.
Ouch Shadow. I do my best. Should I just sit around and parrot people then? Lurk away the day? Yeah, I was wrong in Silence about a couple people, but I thought I had a better grip on things than most that game. Is this just you subtly bragging about how good at scum you were?
Terr, it's kind of hard to give credence to your "solid scum tells" considering how many you've found on town players in the past.
Ouch Shadow. I do my best. Should I just sit around and parrot people then? Lurk away the day? Yeah, I was wrong in Silence about a couple people, but I thought I had a better grip on things than most that game. Is this just you subtly bragging about how good at scum you were?
I totally meant that as a joke, not a bash, I see you say "solid scum tell" and I chuckle a little because it's you. I think you're playing this game quite well (especially if you're scum cause you've got me fooled). As far as whether or not this is me bragging...I wouldn't be that subtle
Pizza being the NK makes sense, by far the most vocal player in the game, and was right about at least one scum. Not sure much can be gained by looking into that choice.
I don't understand voting for Pa at this point. Jey is the exception simply because of her past interactions with Pa, but LnGrrrRs vote looks really poor.
Jey is climbing the town list, I don't see scum coming into the day and make a very emotional post like that calling out a team right after losing a member. I would expect a bit of a regroup and see how they day starts.
I read your very short ISO during the downtime and I'm wondering why:
I don't love Tubba as a lynch, but anyone over me or a no lynch.
@Jey You may disagree with Pa, but calling him out for not solving the game and pushing bull***** isn't fair. Why are you even nominating him as a new candidate this close to lynch? Be more useful with your vote
You were so un enthusiastic about the Tubba Lynch. Why not push Killjoy who you've been scum reading for a long time? In fact, the vote just before yours was Killjoy's on Tubba. But if you were so set to Lynch Killjoy most of the game why are you followingwing his vote on tubba, who's Lynch you apparently didn't like?
On top of that, I would say Pa is another top candidate for a Lynch today, and you are also defending him here.
@Killjoy: What's your current read on Anak?
Because it wasn't like a lynch of KJ was actually going to happen, regardless of what I did at that point in the day? Even if I was good at pushing lynches, which I am not, the odds of that happening were small. The way I saw it, it was me (not so likely then), a No Lynch, or a Tubba lynch if the votes were there. So I cast mine, to get the only possibly good outcome. Do you really think I would have been able to pull off pushing a KJ lynch then?
The more bad Pa is scummy posts people make, the more I think he is town.
I think you could have pushed Killjoy if you really thought he was scum. You didn't try to push him because you didn't think he'd be a likely Lynch? The town Mindset is Lynch someone because they are acting like scum. The Scum mindset is Lynch someone that you think can be lynched.
VOTE: Anak
You're completely ignoring the context of the situation! There was something like less than a day left, and multiple people had KJ as a townread. It would have taken every other person getting on board to get a KJ lynch pushed through. Instead I placed a vote on someone that I also thought was at least a decent candidate and realistically had a chance to get a lynch on, especially to avoid a no lynch.
If I had continued to push KJ, it would have been throwing away my vote at a time where a wasted vote is very bad for the town. You're also calling me scum for lynching someone I thought I could get lynched, who flipped scum. If that was my scummate, why would I vote him there, when as you say I could have parked it on KJ and been useless and gotten the town that much closer to No Lynching?
I have liked your reads so far, but this is just ridiculous
Pizza being the NK makes sense, by far the most vocal player in the game, and was right about at least one scum. Not sure much can be gained by looking into that choice.
I don't understand voting for Pa at this point. Jey is the exception simply because of her past interactions with Pa, but LnGrrrRs vote looks really poor.
Jey is climbing the town list, I don't see scum coming into the day and make a very emotional post like that calling out a team right after losing a member. I would expect a bit of a regroup and see how they day starts.
I read your very short ISO during the downtime and I'm wondering why:
I don't love Tubba as a lynch, but anyone over me or a no lynch.
@Jey You may disagree with Pa, but calling him out for not solving the game and pushing bull***** isn't fair. Why are you even nominating him as a new candidate this close to lynch? Be more useful with your vote
You were so un enthusiastic about the Tubba Lynch. Why not push Killjoy who you've been scum reading for a long time? In fact, the vote just before yours was Killjoy's on Tubba. But if you were so set to Lynch Killjoy most of the game why are you followingwing his vote on tubba, who's Lynch you apparently didn't like?
On top of that, I would say Pa is another top candidate for a Lynch today, and you are also defending him here.
@Killjoy: What's your current read on Anak?
Because it wasn't like a lynch of KJ was actually going to happen, regardless of what I did at that point in the day? Even if I was good at pushing lynches, which I am not, the odds of that happening were small. The way I saw it, it was me (not so likely then), a No Lynch, or a Tubba lynch if the votes were there. So I cast mine, to get the only possibly good outcome. Do you really think I would have been able to pull off pushing a KJ lynch then?
The more bad Pa is scummy posts people make, the more I think he is town.
I think you could have pushed Killjoy if you really thought he was scum. You didn't try to push him because you didn't think he'd be a likely Lynch? The town Mindset is Lynch someone because they are acting like scum. The Scum mindset is Lynch someone that you think can be lynched.
VOTE: Anak
You're completely ignoring the context of the situation! There was something like less than a day left, and multiple people had KJ as a townread. It would have taken every other person getting on board to get a KJ lynch pushed through. Instead I placed a vote on someone that I also thought was at least a decent candidate and realistically had a chance to get a lynch on, especially to avoid a no lynch.
If I had continued to push KJ, it would have been throwing away my vote at a time where a wasted vote is very bad for the town. You're also calling me scum for lynching someone I thought I could get lynched, who flipped scum. If that was my scummate, why would I vote him there, when as you say I could have parked it on KJ and been useless and gotten the town that much closer to No Lynching?
I have liked your reads so far, but this is just ridiculous
It was more the fact that you didnt push a player you thought was scum and instead reluctantly voted some one who ended up scum. It reeks of bus fumes. Convince me Killjoy is scum, don't just complain that I'm voting you.
Where did I once complain about you voting me? I'm pointing out that your logic just doesn't make sense. However close were to a deadline, it was close enough where me hopping into a scummate is just going to make them die and not buy me any towncred. It would be pointless.
Sure you may have been around to vote KJ if I pushed him, but not enough others to actually do anything with it.
As others here can attest, I am very very bad at pushing wagons on people, e.g. the fact that KJ is still around and rather townread. I don't know if you noticed, but I am not voting him at the moment if that's ant insight into what I think of him currently
@Toast, regarding Pa Tennis, his implication that I "hopped" onto Zionite easily is BS. I fought for JeyK's lynch that Day, and his whole argument is that I hopped onto Zionite to save a buddy. Yet, now he thinks JeyK is town, but doesn't change his reasoning in the slightest. It's a huge misrep, and yet no one is caring at all to pay attention.
@Terry, I did read your thing, but that was after I viewed EL as scummy. I haven't gone back through and ISO'd your slot.
@Shadow, I'm not aware of any intentional differences. Frankly, I don't think I'm good enough at mafia to "know" my playstyle. I just post what I feel/think. Regarding the "town, town, town, me" thing, I only use that to show that my alignment is unknown. I hate reading through vote analysis and seeing someone call themselves town, because without it being confirmed it messes with my own ability to do analysis and regard their posts fairly. I think it's scummier when someone tries to count themselves as town without confirmation, since it subconsciously tells everyone else to view them as town without doing any real work.
@KJ, because for some reason, people are townreading Pa Tennis and I have no idea why. I don't exactly see how he's "solving the game". Pizza came in and led the lynch on Tubba, not Pa.
Where did I once complain about you voting me? I'm pointing out that your logic just doesn't make sense. However close were to a deadline, it was close enough where me hopping into a scummate is just going to make them die and not buy me any towncred. It would be pointless.
Sure you may have been around to vote KJ if I pushed him, but not enough others to actually do anything with it.
As others here can attest, I am very very bad at pushing wagons on people, e.g. the fact that KJ is still around and rather townread. I don't know if you noticed, but I am not voting him at the moment if that's ant insight into what I think of him currently
Are you saying you don't think Killjoy is scum anymore? Who do you think is scum right now? I'm just having a hard time getting past the fact that you can play this game and not try to push anyone's Lynch. Just because you're bad at it doesn't mean that you shouldn't be trying to find scum and push their Lynch... if you are town.
Pa Tennis reaches up and starts clawing at his face. Aghast, you watch him struggle and finally peel a grotesque fleshy mask from his face with a flourish.
Well, the thing I keep coming back to is that there were two obvious night kill targets last night:
Toast - Cop cleared by
Kaba - An uncountered cop claim
So why did scum kill Pizza instead? Maybe I'm a bit awestruck, but from my perspective, he was kind of crushing it. So why did Pizza get killed instead of two players who should be pretty much universal town locks? Because he was a bigger threat to scum than Toast and Kaba, who as someone already pointed out, have been lacking a bit in the townplay, but still near lock-town due to mechanics.
Ok, so why was Pizza killed. He nailed Tubba dead to rights, but if that was the only scum he had nailed, he would be alive today to push the town he incorrectly read as scum. He had both LNG and Anak as scum besides Tubba. He had Shadow and Pa undecided. Probably both LNG and Anak are scum, or Pizza would probably have been left alive.
Well, the thing I keep coming back to is that there were two obvious night kill targets last night:
Toast - Cop cleared by
Kaba - An uncountered cop claim
So why did scum kill Pizza instead? Maybe I'm a bit awestruck, but from my perspective, he was kind of crushing it. So why did Pizza get killed instead of two players who should be pretty much universal town locks? Because he was a bigger threat to scum than Toast and Kaba, who as someone already pointed out, have been lacking a bit in the townplay, but still near lock-town due to mechanics.
Ok, so why was Pizza killed. He nailed Tubba dead to rights, but if that was the only scum he had nailed, he would be alive today to push the town he incorrectly read as scum. He had both LNG and Anak as scum besides Tubba. He had Shadow and Pa undecided. Probably both LNG and Anak are scum, or Pizza would probably have been left alive.
Look, all I am saying is you are wrong. I can say that, right?
and when you are wrong.. i think it's 93.2% likely you are scum.
I'm not gonna argue with this anyway. You are throwing a scum narrative on my voting habits and it's a little annoying tbh. You are basing it off of one game i had with you.
In Tacos Apoco mafia, there were a few instances in which I was part of a mislynch. Like, I hate that you are sticking to that one scum Narrative with me when it is circumstantial and wrong. The fact you are using it to push scum!Rodemy when you have no actual proof that it is what scum!rodemy would do is scum!Tom-my
I do declare you are probably scum this game. Lets also go over to Horseman Mafia. I do believe i was not part of many of the lynches that took place. You were in that game with me as well. So why the sudden scum!Rodemy knowledge. You don't know scum!Rodemy. Nobody does. Not even I do.
*Identity Crisis Intensifies*
*Identity Crisis Intensifies*
*Identity Crisis Intensifies*
WHO AM I?
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Oh. Cool.
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There's little point just aimlessly voting at this stage, especially given the impending deadline. We need a consensus. I've been a proponent of 'who would you be willing to vote' this game. I'm also very willing to vote Anak. Haven't had much chance to read the case on LnG just yet.
I have to disagree with you, if everyone just sat around talking about who is the consensus lynch target then you never get anywhere. Holding your vote is doing jack all of nothing, and yeah, it's fine to be willing to vote elsewhere, but just sitting on it is kind of useless.
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I think you'll find that I don't think you've been townie at all this game. In fact, I've been vocally suspicious of you before. And I think your disregard for analysing the play of a confirmed scum is worrying. Are you feeling threatened?
Couple of things here:
-You being vocally suspicious does not mean I haven't been townie, I have been.
-I'm not disregarding Tubba's play, I'm saying that you're reaching for conclusions that shouldn't be made solely on his play, and in my opinion,
-I find your assertion that I might feel threatened laughable. As scum, you suspecting me would be great because it keeps my living longer totally believable, and as town I have nothing threaten worthy.
@Pa: Without the mechanics, both Kabaz and Toast have had some questionable posts
I won't deny Kaba's play has been less than exemplary, I was the only person highlighting it D1, but questioning un-counter-claimed power roles is Not A Good Thing. Do you know who did that in a big way yesterday? Tubba. Scum Tubba.
Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good about you now.
Is there a reason you cut the second half of that line to Tom out? The half that changes the point of the question entirely?
@Shadow, I'm not aware of any intentional differences. Frankly, I don't think I'm good enough at mafia to "know" my playstyle. I just post what I feel/think. Regarding the "town, town, town, me" thing, I only use that to show that my alignment is unknown. I hate reading through vote analysis and seeing someone call themselves town, because without it being confirmed it messes with my own ability to do analysis and regard their posts fairly. I think it's scummier when someone tries to count themselves as town without confirmation, since it subconsciously tells everyone else to view them as town without doing any real work.
Whats wrong with a townie telling everyone else to view them as town? Your alignment isn't unknown to you, and it looked like you were doing that analysis for yourself anyway.
Would you post a T/S list?Yay! I can stop calling Tom "Pa"
What suspicion? ._. I just thought someone thought he was tom and called him tom-in-disguise.
@killjoy considering we had another town flip, how likely is it scum!kaba got away with a cop claim on you?
Not gonna replace out though. I have found time here and there. But only to read back a page here and there.
tubba>lngrrr
Most noteworthy thing in there is Tubba nullreading Rodemy and shading Grapefruit for townreading him.
If I'm on the right track at all, this scumteam is avoiding interacting with each other. And Jey certainly doesn't work there.
LnGrrrR - 1 (Pa Tennis)
Pa Tennis - 1 (LnGrrrR)
Rodemy - 1 (Kabazame)
Not Voting - 7 (Anaklusmos, JeY k, Killjoy, Rodemy, shadowlancerx, Toastboy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
With 10 alive it takes 6 vote s to lynch.
Day 4 will end in 7 days
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
All the issues I had with Rodemy the first day or two are still there. The opportunism/out of context reads, the overreaction to killjoy scumreading him, the ridiculous Kaba push. And the associations that made me put him aside ended up either flipping town or... being Jey... who is probably town... I guess...
Now adding in avoiding town wagons and interactions (or lack thereof) with Tubba, and yes I think Rodemy looks like scum.
I only had time for ~half of the reading I wanted to get done this weekend. Right now I'm thinking tubba/lngrrr/rodemy, with the 4th being likely one of KJ/Anak but I haven't dove deep on either yet. Maybe leaning a little back towards Killjoy for super esoteric reasons.
Kaba - essentially the same as above. I've connected with his mindset a bunch.
Shadow - probably ought to do some due diligence here because shadow, but I've felt good about him all game and the tubba push does not look like a bus.
StinkyJoe - haven't really liked his thoughts, and no opinion on Cantrip. But Eternal looked really town.
Jey - don't think that's how Tubba treats a buddy in his first game. Looks much less likely than the way he largely ignored and occasionally talked about other people with Lngrrr and Rodemy.
Killjoy/Anak - (screaming internally)
Rodemy - see above
Lngrrr - see, like, my entire iso
I don't want to work today but given I have 74 hours to burn in a 28-hour workday period, **** me I guess.
Without doing my re-reading Pa's latest posts put him back in my town bucket and is making way more sense; not sure what was so out of touch from before.
@Killjoy confirming acknowledgement of your question
My plan for Monday night, if I even get time to play: Re-read LnGrrrR and Pa Tennis (still).
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I'll try and read a bit soon. Let me recover from moving.
I actually don't really, I just have a stronger town read on KJ and Terry. I feel like I'm still mostly null on you which makes me worried, although I still have to reread to see if it's because my memory is bad or because you've flown under the radar. Anyway, I still have it in my head that you're a great scum player so you're always on my radar
On a side note, I found the post I was thinking of before (when you asked where I heard you were good as scum)! It was Anak talking about how you rolled him as scum recently.
Um, didn't you just say Joe was scum? I'm confused. I'm not scum reading him
it's not a smoking gun, but if you remember I was voting Rodemy already yesterday. It's not like I'm voting him only because of what he's done today
VOTE: Anak
[b]VOTE: Anak[/b
Please explain what you don't like about my thoughts? Do you not like my process or my conclusions?
But I'm not scum sooo.. your logic is flawed
I kind of still think we need to resolve KJ/Anak, and maybe I'm falling victim to a pocket (which would be some great irony) but I'm still not seeing Anak as scum.
Actually, I've forgotten, why is KJ/Anak a dichotomy to some people?
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His iso has a lot of soft stances, and I think he's played quite different than he did in Silence of the Lambs. Also, small thing that could very well be irrelevant, but when he responded to Pizza with wagon analysis, when listing people on the wagon he said (paraphrasing) "town, town, unknown, town, unknown, Me" rather than listing himself as town first. I have no actually data on this, but I feel like sometimes scum are hesitant to straight up say they are town for fear of sounding awkward when doing so.
You're completely ignoring the context of the situation! There was something like less than a day left, and multiple people had KJ as a townread. It would have taken every other person getting on board to get a KJ lynch pushed through. Instead I placed a vote on someone that I also thought was at least a decent candidate and realistically had a chance to get a lynch on, especially to avoid a no lynch.
If I had continued to push KJ, it would have been throwing away my vote at a time where a wasted vote is very bad for the town. You're also calling me scum for lynching someone I thought I could get lynched, who flipped scum. If that was my scummate, why would I vote him there, when as you say I could have parked it on KJ and been useless and gotten the town that much closer to No Lynching?
I have liked your reads so far, but this is just ridiculous
Sure you may have been around to vote KJ if I pushed him, but not enough others to actually do anything with it.
As others here can attest, I am very very bad at pushing wagons on people, e.g. the fact that KJ is still around and rather townread. I don't know if you noticed, but I am not voting him at the moment if that's ant insight into what I think of him currently
And I really don't want to deal with them until we have to. AKA Lngrrr first for sure.
@Toast, regarding Pa Tennis, his implication that I "hopped" onto Zionite easily is BS. I fought for JeyK's lynch that Day, and his whole argument is that I hopped onto Zionite to save a buddy. Yet, now he thinks JeyK is town, but doesn't change his reasoning in the slightest. It's a huge misrep, and yet no one is caring at all to pay attention.
@Terry, I did read your thing, but that was after I viewed EL as scummy. I haven't gone back through and ISO'd your slot.
@Shadow, I'm not aware of any intentional differences. Frankly, I don't think I'm good enough at mafia to "know" my playstyle. I just post what I feel/think. Regarding the "town, town, town, me" thing, I only use that to show that my alignment is unknown. I hate reading through vote analysis and seeing someone call themselves town, because without it being confirmed it messes with my own ability to do analysis and regard their posts fairly. I think it's scummier when someone tries to count themselves as town without confirmation, since it subconsciously tells everyone else to view them as town without doing any real work.
@KJ, because for some reason, people are townreading Pa Tennis and I have no idea why. I don't exactly see how he's "solving the game". Pizza came in and led the lynch on Tubba, not Pa.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I'm going to try to re-read tonight or my lunch break tomorrow.
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Would also vote rodemy.
Haven't figured out kj/anak yet.
"Why it was I, Tomsloger, in disguise all along!"
No-one seems as impressed as he was expecting.
Tomsloger replaces his gimmick Pa Tennis
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Vote Count 4.2
Anaklusmos - 1 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
LnGrrrR - 2 (Pa Tennis, shadowlancerx)
Pa Tennis - 1 (LnGrrrR)
Rodemy - 1 (Kabazame)
Not Voting - 5 (Anaklusmos, JeY k, Killjoy, Rodemy, Toastboy)
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.
The Deadline is in 3 days.
Stop pushing a false narrative on me.
Toast - Cop cleared by
Kaba - An uncountered cop claim
So why did scum kill Pizza instead? Maybe I'm a bit awestruck, but from my perspective, he was kind of crushing it. So why did Pizza get killed instead of two players who should be pretty much universal town locks? Because he was a bigger threat to scum than Toast and Kaba, who as someone already pointed out, have been lacking a bit in the townplay, but still near lock-town due to mechanics.
Ok, so why was Pizza killed. He nailed Tubba dead to rights, but if that was the only scum he had nailed, he would be alive today to push the town he incorrectly read as scum. He had both LNG and Anak as scum besides Tubba. He had Shadow and Pa undecided. Probably both LNG and Anak are scum, or Pizza would probably have been left alive.
He was a simple account that died due to twitch changeover.
Solid
Look, all I am saying is you are wrong. I can say that, right?
and when you are wrong.. i think it's 93.2% likely you are scum.
I'm not gonna argue with this anyway. You are throwing a scum narrative on my voting habits and it's a little annoying tbh. You are basing it off of one game i had with you.
In Tacos Apoco mafia, there were a few instances in which I was part of a mislynch. Like, I hate that you are sticking to that one scum Narrative with me when it is circumstantial and wrong. The fact you are using it to push scum!Rodemy when you have no actual proof that it is what scum!rodemy would do is scum!Tom-my
I do declare you are probably scum this game. Lets also go over to Horseman Mafia. I do believe i was not part of many of the lynches that took place. You were in that game with me as well. So why the sudden scum!Rodemy knowledge. You don't know scum!Rodemy. Nobody does. Not even I do.
*Identity Crisis Intensifies*
*Identity Crisis Intensifies*
*Identity Crisis Intensifies*
WHO AM I?
*is goat*
Oh. Cool.
vote tomsloger
-You being vocally suspicious does not mean I haven't been townie, I have been.
-I'm not disregarding Tubba's play, I'm saying that you're reaching for conclusions that shouldn't be made solely on his play, and in my opinion,
-I find your assertion that I might feel threatened laughable. As scum, you suspecting me would be great because it keeps my living longer totally believable, and as town I have nothing threaten worthy. Is there a reason you cut the second half of that line to Tom out? The half that changes the point of the question entirely? Whats wrong with a townie telling everyone else to view them as town? Your alignment isn't unknown to you, and it looked like you were doing that analysis for yourself anyway.
Would you post a T/S list?
Yay! I can stop calling Tom "Pa"