Shadow: if you also also agree that SLs thing isn't going to fly, what do you say of Anak for making the assertion that asking sl to expand is scummy?
I actually agree that your reaction seemed off. It's not that you asked him to expand, it's that you seemed genuinely interested in what he had on you, which if you're town you'd know to be nothing.
@Tubba, because if you think Cantrip is scummy, he's just going to coast the next Day or so with hardcore lurking. Not sure if you've noticed, but wagons on lurkers don't really go anywhere.
Also, the amount of people doubting Kaba right now is pretty ridiculous. He's been alive one Night. If he is alive toMorrow, maybe. But right now everyone is throwing shade at his claim, and it makes it easier for scum to jump in and try to discredit the un-counter-claimed cop.
@Tubba Fett I'm trying to push a lynch on that slot, and something substantial would give me a leg to stand on. One of the most active players in the game becoming one of the most silent is disheartening as well. I'm not hoping to get my mind change, I'm hoping to more easily expose what I see to everyone else.
If that slot is scum, which I'm still convinced is, that is simply the easiest coast I've ever seen in my life.
A: How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...
B: Your assumption that they have a roleblocker is very.. confident.
With this line of reasoning, you should never have claimed that you had one shot so they WOULD keep wasting it on you (assuming they even have an RB)
What on Earth are you talking about? Like really
A: I'm saying they did use it on me most likely, so if I claimed roleblocked they would use it again. Where are you getting this idea that they didn't? Unless you have information you'd like to share. I really don't know where you're going with this at all
B: I said from the beginning that it was my ASSUMPTION about what happened. I never said it was certain or fact or anything. It is a very common scum role (at least in games I've played) and it fits. I also don't know where you're going with this.
As I said, I thought about claiming roleblocked instead, which was my only other option other than just making up a result. Decided not to because it could cause problems later if someone else is roleblocked and claims it
Your attacks here don't make any sense and I'm feeling more and more confident that you're scum.
This is actually really concerning. The whole basis of my scenario is that scum roleblocked me and shot randomly to hit the doctor, and I thought about claiming RB'd so they would keep wasting it on me when I have no shots left. Rodemy responds with "How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...". So I don't know where he's getting the idea that scum didn't block me, unless he knows they didn't because he's scum. Either way, using it as an attack against me makes no sense
@Tubba Fett I'm trying to push a lynch on that slot, and something substantial would give me a leg to stand on. One of the most active players in the game becoming one of the most silent is disheartening as well. I'm not hoping to get my mind change, I'm hoping to more easily expose what I see to everyone else.
If that slot is scum, which I'm still convinced is, that is simply the easiest coast I've ever seen in my life.
This is actually really concerning. The whole basis of my scenario is that scum roleblocked me and shot randomly to hit the doctor, and I thought about claiming RB'd so they would keep wasting it on me when I have no shots left. Rodemy responds with "How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...". So I don't know where he's getting the idea that scum didn't block me, unless he knows they didn't because he's scum. Either way, using it as an attack against me makes no sense
I would like Rodemy to respond to this, because I am with Kabaz that his reaction is highly suspect.
Shadow: if you also also agree that SLs thing isn't going to fly, what do you say of Anak for making the assertion that asking sl to expand is scummy?
It's super scummy because someone claimed "to KNOW you are scum" and you took a step back and said, hold on let this guy elaborate he might be onto something. Like, if you are town, that phrase should immediately be a vote and push into Oblivion.
In this case it appears that SL didn't actually *know* KJ was scum, but that doesn't change the bizarreness of KJs reaction.
Kabas points against Rodemy are very valid and should also be answered as well.
@Pa To be completely honest I forgot I had a read on Lng, and in trying to come up with one looked at his most recent actions to try and build a read. One that I am going to be looking back and re-evaluate now that you point that out.
This is actually really concerning. The whole basis of my scenario is that scum roleblocked me and shot randomly to hit the doctor, and I thought about claiming RB'd so they would keep wasting it on me when I have no shots left. Rodemy responds with "How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...". So I don't know where he's getting the idea that scum didn't block me, unless he knows they didn't because he's scum. Either way, using it as an attack against me makes no sense
I would like Rodemy to respond to this, because I am with Kabaz that his reaction is highly suspect.
What?? The scenario is based off your assumption! Claiming roleblocked.. Oh **** I see where you are coming from.
Why Didn't you claim roleblocked?
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Shadow: if you also also agree that SLs thing isn't going to fly, what do you say of Anak for making the assertion that asking sl to expand is scummy?
It's super scummy because someone claimed "to KNOW you are scum" and you took a step back and said, hold on let this guy elaborate he might be onto something. Like, if you are town, that phrase should immediately be a vote and push into Oblivion.
In this case it appears that SL didn't actually *know* KJ was scum, but that doesn't change the bizarreness of KJs reaction.
Kabas points against Rodemy are very valid and should also be answered as well.
@Pa To be completely honest I forgot I had a read on Lng, and in trying to come up with one looked at his most recent actions to try and build a read. One that I am going to be looking back and re-evaluate now that you point that out.
No, its semantics. If someone says they know you're scum it's just generally how they choose to word it.
Also, if you notice, I just want him to explain PRIOR TO LYNCHING ME. I don't want him to get away with lynching me for no reason and then tomorrow be like 'oops' and everyone gives him a pass on it. I don't actually care *that* he's scumreading me. Not in the way you're saying.
I also want him to explain his townread on Jey who I am very much not townreading.
Also, you're stalling answering my questions. Being from a phone hasn't stopped you from answering everyone elses questions, just mine. It's notable that you're directing the question Pa and I asked @Pa instead of me., potentially in order to gain his favor. Vote Anak.
I'm also for a Jey lynch.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@toast
I can understand what you're saying in regards to my and others suspicions about kaba's claim. I also understand that you have the most to gain from everyone believing it.
This is actually really concerning. The whole basis of my scenario is that scum roleblocked me and shot randomly to hit the doctor, and I thought about claiming RB'd so they would keep wasting it on me when I have no shots left. Rodemy responds with "How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...". So I don't know where he's getting the idea that scum didn't block me, unless he knows they didn't because he's scum. Either way, using it as an attack against me makes no sense
I would like Rodemy to respond to this, because I am with Kabaz that his reaction is highly suspect.
What?? The scenario is based off your assumption! Claiming roleblocked.. Oh **** I see where you are coming from.
Why Didn't you claim roleblocked?
Did you not read my post? I said I didn't claim roleblocked because it could cause problems later, like if someone else is roleblocked and then I have to either say I was also blocked, reveal my one-shot two Days after my claim, or make up a scan. So in the end I decided against it.
I'm going off the assumption that you are lying and there is no roleblocker
What? I don't know if there is a roleblocker or not. You're accusation is assuming I am both Town and scum, saying I couldn't make them keep wasting on their RB on me because they don't have one, and implying I know they don't have one because I'm scum? and also asking my I didn't claim roleblocked after asking "how would that work if they know you weren't roleblocked?". All your statements are conflicting with yourself and I'm really confused if this is a manufactured attack from scum or if you're just thinking yourself in circles.
Also if I was scum and knew there was no roleblocker, why would I claim 1-shot instead of roleblocked? There's literally no benefit to that
As for Killoy, I wouldn't say I'm strongly opposed to his lynch... but I'm surprising neutral on him. I remember him posting but nothing really sticks out that he's said... which is kind of worrisome to be honest. Plenty of posts but nothing memorable is not a good sign. I'm going to take a look at his ISO because I just don't have any strong feelings on him at all despite being a leading lynch candidate for the last two Days
After reading his ISO the only thing I don't like is his Zionite vote, in which he basically said all my points were invalid but voted Zionite because "two confirmed town" were voting him. This was in reference to Toast and I, when 1) I could be lying from his perspective and 2) Toast could be Godfather. So it's not a great vote
He also said Vaimes' vote on GF was "kinda bad" because he was just following his town reads... so it's a little hypocritical.
Regardless, I'm not seeing much to make me think he's scum, and he does seem to be at least trying to scum hunt so I don't think I want to lynch him today
So my strongest memory of Killjoy is, perhaps unsurprisingly, his approach to me. He asked me a handful of questions that were some combination of irrelevant, already answered, and nitpicky. I hated it. And when I started to call him out for it and no one was buying what he was selling, he just... backed it off. And he said it was because he always scumreads me. And then it changed to because I was faking a playstyle that's what he was seeing. And neither quite works and both doesn't make any sense. But I also seem to recall him getting mislynched one time for tunneling me for stupid ***** and maybe townKilljoy just decides to back off there because he remembers that and doesn't want it to happen again and that sort of works timing-wise but man does it just look like he's making ***** up to back off reasonably.
And then there's that group of people I'm scumreading already that just... united to make Zionite a wagon over Jey/Killjoy all for reasons that I'm just gonna go ahead and call suspect and it looks on purpose by why would the others do that if killjoy was town?
But then I think if killjoy is town wagons tell me there's scum in Vaimes (nope), Latin (don't think so), shadow (god dammit shadow), or Anak (pondering...)
So yeah. Where I'm at:
It seems pretty ******* likely there's exactly one scum in [killjoy/anak] so the two of them hard scumreading eachother feels correct I guess. But I don't really want to bet the game on lynching through the two of them.
So my strongest memory of Killjoy is, perhaps unsurprisingly, his approach to me. He asked me a handful of questions that were some combination of irrelevant, already answered, and nitpicky. I hated it. And when I started to call him out for it and no one was buying what he was selling, he just... backed it off. And he said it was because he always scumreads me. And then it changed to because I was faking a playstyle that's what he was seeing. And neither quite works and both doesn't make any sense. But I also seem to recall him getting mislynched one time for tunneling me for stupid ***** and maybe townKilljoy just decides to back off there because he remembers that and doesn't want it to happen again and that sort of works timing-wise but man does it just look like he's making ***** up to back off reasonably.
And then there's that group of people I'm scumreading already that just... united to make Zionite a wagon over Jey/Killjoy all for reasons that I'm just gonna go ahead and call suspect and it looks on purpose by why would the others do that if killjoy was town?
But then I think if killjoy is town wagons tell me there's scum in Vaimes (nope), Latin (don't think so), shadow (god dammit shadow), or Anak (pondering...)
So yeah. Where I'm at:
It seems pretty ******* likely there's exactly one scum in [killjoy/anak] so the two of them hard scumreading eachother feels correct I guess. But I don't really want to bet the game on lynching through the two of them.
These kinds of posts remind me how bad I am at this game because I have no no idea how any of this means what it does.
Yet when I try to explain exactly why I feel the way I do it's immediately thrown out.
Early on, he says that EternalLurker is fear mongering re: Study Latin. Then the next post he says it gave him scumvibes, but then unvotes and says "No pressure yet though".
Then the next post, he calls him scum again. Then six posts later (with 2 JeyK posts vs 1 EL post) he reverses saying "Eternal is very aggressive right now. Leaning town for now."
Another two posts later,, he says, "Also, you are now moving back to scumlean. You use me as a comparison to shadow stating I didn't engage you when A) I did B) I gave up when you wouldn't actually listen to me." He then explains his read on EL further.
Later, backs off due to tunneling and saying that he was 0/4 last game on his early scum suspects.
Next post, he throws a vote on Pa Tennis, amongst other things, asking where his vote on Jey K came from. Then realizes he did and then switches over to JeY K for her comment, "We need to lynch EternalLurker before he has a chance to abuse his town-cred for some messed up mis-lynches."
Then Pa Tennis brings up an earlier post, where Rodemy asked KJ where the "light scumread" on Rodemy came from, and he stated "to me it looks like it could be an attempt to jump on a wagon of mine if it should occur."
A few posts later, he unvotes saying "Okay, so this makes more sense after reading the post before."
Then Rodemy says he disagrees with EL, that town can effectively hit scum D1, and points out Apocalypse game where that happened. Then says, "You saying it doesn't happen much just feels like you are trying to justify any mislynches that occur and chalking it up to 'It's just D1.'"
The next post he votes KJ for not answering his questions (re: scumread on him).
Then, he calls out PaTennis, saying "negating someones reads is kinda scummy. And by your two reads you are saying I could be town or scum based on what they are saying. Which is pretty fency in regards to reading me."
The next few posts he goes into his Pa Tennis scum read in post 299. Pa Tennis told him his reads are trash, and he says that's where his scumvibes come from. He says Pa Tennis is completely negating anything he says by saying that. He finishes to Pa Tennis with, "You are basically saying that anyone I find scummy isn't scummy because I find them scummy. That is... scumtastic."
Ok, this is taking a long time, gonna just point out the interesting posts IMO.
Calls out EL for "townhunting when your scumpool is that big is illogical."
Revotes JeyK, due to the tunnel on EL and the post about EL "coasting" with his BE read.
Says Kaba is scum post 703 for deflection. Also, Kaba stated that Rodemy was "coasting a bit", and Rodemy becomes defensive over it, saying "Question, coasting on what? I was a prime suspect as scum last I read. Sorry, busy week. Why exactly am I scum again? I forgot."
Called me out for derping and not just voting JeY. Then votes her next post with, "Are we lynching JeY today?".
Questions Kaba's attempt to bait the kill.
Say I'm protecting JeY, then lists scumreads as JeY, Kaba, and me.
Then we get to the recent present, with his reads list. Thoughts/questions in next post.
@Jey So keep explaining things. If you're town maybe some chunk of your reasoning will resonate.
@Toast I think the wagon movement of "ok who can we actually get enough votes on" is pretty impossible to get a read off. Outside of that, 5-6 was the biggest wagons got (Jey, Zion, and Killjoy were all there)
@Pa Tennis, how do you go from "LnGrrrR is scum for voting Zionite" to "I think the wagon movement of 'ok who can we actually get enough votes on' is pretty impossible to get a read off."?
@Pa Tennis, how do you go from "LnGrrrR is scum for voting Zionite" to "I think the wagon movement of 'ok who can we actually get enough votes on' is pretty impossible to get a read off."?
Been rereading the last third of the thread realllyyy slowly to get my head actually into what's going on this game, spent last night and this morning doing so. Or try. Almost done with that, will be able to really post more tonight.
This is in direct contrast to his self-confident, quite commanding style of posting, so it was interesting that he picking me up on trying to get people to work for me, which is not an argument I've heard before and I think hints at where his head's at.
I don't follow your phrasing here, what are you saying?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Killjoy why aren't you wanting to lynch jey? In fact (ISO'D) you haven't voted jey ever in this game, yet you have been willing to lynch him for what looks like a while.
Also what happened to your tubba read? You havent even talked to him since yesterday, yet him and anuk were your two choices to lynch.
Anuk doesn't answer some of your questions and bam, you want to lynch him. Yet you've wanted to lynch jey for what is obviously more... why do you want to lynch jey? You are more concerned with other people... And then jey. Eod yesterday your jump to zionite was strange. Earlier you were saying jey was best lynch, now you jump to anuk. You never voted jey.
All I'm saying is you say you want to vote jey a few times and never vote.
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Mass claim tomorrow if we mislynch. But I don't think we will.
@killjoy not talking about the deadline votes. Talking about the ones right after kaba's claim.
My issue is that you're trying very hard to connect us three. I'm not sure it's warrented given whats actually happened.
Do you really think that, in the event that scum!me was on the chopping block, myself and my two scumbuddies jump to suppliment a town wagon without any thoughts to the optics?
I really think that Ln and Jey are scum seperately right now (Ln is harder to explain, but I feel like he's been reletively inconsistant and unengaging, if memory serves. Jey flipped on me the moment I became the easiest town lynch.)
But my point is the fact that you're trying to lump me in with them seems wrong.
I see no real benefit from massclaiming here, it's super unlikely that we are in a lylo situation which is really the only time I like it. Especially considering we are out two PRs already, in a low power game what information can we really get out there that's beneficial to us?
@KJ I know I know in the morning.
Oh yeah... No massclaim just yet. We're not desperate enough to out everyone yet. Also i think Jey is scum and is the best lynch today probably who's not Anak.
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EL/Cantrip: Mostly on the back of EL, as Cantrip hasn't been able to post much. EL was posting often and in high quality, trying to evaluate and solve the game. It's not something I expect scum to pull of consistently.
Kaba: Claimed cop, but his actions haven't given me the scum pings. Doesn't make sense to push him considering the limited shots in this game, its far more likely he is as claimed with limited shots than scum faking all of it.
Pa: I see your desire to solve the game, and aren't using what you are to try and hide.
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TB: I thought his reasoning on people has been fairly sound, but the whole pushing for a massclaim thing is making me quickly re-evaluate my opinion of him. Talking as though we are close to losing the game, and pushing for a massclaim as a result, is just using fearmongering to get what you want.
Lng: Good pushes, and responses to others. Tone reads well, don't get vibes of pushing without having thought through it.
Shadow: Still feel like something is off compared to other games with you in the past, but nothing you have said or done has made me suspicious of you. You probably should be a hard town read, but I'm always paranoid of strong scum players pulling one over on me.
Scumlean
Study Latin: I really can't remember much of anything about you, much more of this and this read will become a scumread for coasting through the game.
Tubba: Ditto.
JeyK: Your back and forth with EL is the biggest reason here, the emotions you were had were trying to carry weight instead of your arguments I feel. However, a lot of people have brought you up for lynching, without really taking the next step, so its raising my read on you a bit.
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KJ: Do I need to explain this one further? Nothing has happened since yesterday to influence this.
Rodemy: Why do you want to lynch a claimed cop? Moreover, looking to make bold lynches like that when we are so behind doesn't favor us at all. There is a good chance Kaba is telling the truth, no reason I see to go about lynching that today when the rest of the scumteam is still out there. Maybe this is just crazy-Rod, but I see it as trying to push through a mislynch.
Vote: Killjoy
Wow. It's like you actually did forget you ever had a scumread on Ln.Lol.
Re Pa Read: Expand on this. What do you mean "not hiding"?
Re Shadow Read: Expalin "You feel off, but nothing has made me suspicious of you".
Re Tubba and Study: You're defaulting to scumreading them because you don't remember them? Also, explain how they're coasting through the game.
re Jey read: The biggest reason for him being scum is something that happened a while ago. This feels like she's down here because people want to lynch her. Also, people bringing someone up for lynching, then not lynching doesn't make someone town. It's the opposite. Also, you're all up Rodemy's ass for wanting to lynch the cop, but Jey soft wants to do that too, and you've failed to mention that.
@Tubba, Kaba claimed one-shot toDay, so lack of a result isn't too surprising. I don't want to go too much into WIFOM on thr NK, especially given that I think Vaimes was pretty widely town read. If he is still alive toMorrow or the Day after, then I will look into it.
Also more recently me. Twice.
Kaba claimed yesterday. not toDay.
re me read: I understand what you're saying. But I'm really looking for proof. All you've really said is that you're low hanging fruit without delving into why scum me would do any of this.
Pa: I said he isn't using what he is to try and hide through this game. He is playing a different style, and is one of the most vocal players in the game doing so.
Shadow: His feeling of difference is mostly an observation of this game compared to others I have seen/been in with him. I'm not sure it's alignment indicative, but worth mention. It also means I have been reading him with a bit more scrutiny, and haven't come away feeling scum from him.
Tubba and Study: I don't know how to explain coasting through the game any further. That coasting and sort of keeping your head low vibe is scummy to me because it allows them to get through the game without exposing themselves.
Jey: I don't know what to say here honestly.
KJ: You are asking for proof of something I obviously don't have proof of. Why would scum you push me? Because you see someone who hasn't been playing well or making much of a presence in this game, and when you would need only a couple more mislynches to win, I'm sitting in a spot of vulnerability. So you looked for a spot to attempt to organically get a wagon going on me, trying to get that mislynch.
Hey everyone, not sure anyone is paying attention, but deadline is 12 hours away.
Ecophagy, are we getting a deadline extension? frankly, even if we found a replacement for Cantrip it wouldnt matter unless we extended it a week or something. I guess one bonus to that is no one is posting, so a replacement doesn't have to worry about the thread growing too large.
Is anyone willing to lynch Cantrip/Lurker's slot? Or are we just going to let it coast?
Forgot to mention, if Study Latin doesn't produce this case before the end of Day, willing to lynch him instead. Right now that feels like the laziest scum attack in the world.
This is in direct contrast to his self-confident, quite commanding style of posting, so it was interesting that he picking me up on trying to get people to work for me, which is not an argument I've heard before and I think hints at where his head's at.
I don't follow your phrasing here, what are you saying?
I think it's playstyle. Shadow is a picker, he finds something that bugs him and he picks at it. He hasn't been posting as much lately, that'd be the only inconsistency I can see.
Due to ongoing replacement uncertainty, the deadline has been extended by four days. Day will now end at 2200GMT on Wednesday 13th September. Cantripmancer may or may not be replaced (and I hope to have a decision on that today).
Also, the amount of people doubting Kaba right now is pretty ridiculous. He's been alive one Night. If he is alive toMorrow, maybe. But right now everyone is throwing shade at his claim, and it makes it easier for scum to jump in and try to discredit the un-counter-claimed cop.
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If that slot is scum, which I'm still convinced is, that is simply the easiest coast I've ever seen in my life.
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That usually consists of a one shot kill/ investigate/ or bulletproof...
So... a one shot cop on the town side would be OP AND redundant.
Thoughts?
1 check and 1 track seems pretty reasonable setup-wise. As does full doc + single bodyguard.
What on Earth are you talking about? Like really
A: I'm saying they did use it on me most likely, so if I claimed roleblocked they would use it again. Where are you getting this idea that they didn't? Unless you have information you'd like to share. I really don't know where you're going with this at all
B: I said from the beginning that it was my ASSUMPTION about what happened. I never said it was certain or fact or anything. It is a very common scum role (at least in games I've played) and it fits. I also don't know where you're going with this.
As I said, I thought about claiming roleblocked instead, which was my only other option other than just making up a result. Decided not to because it could cause problems later if someone else is roleblocked and claims it
Your attacks here don't make any sense and I'm feeling more and more confident that you're scum.
Ol, I get that.
Who has Killjoy as their primary lynch target toDay?
Is anyone strongly opposed to a Killjoy lynch? Does anyone prefer a different lynch target?
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It's super scummy because someone claimed "to KNOW you are scum" and you took a step back and said, hold on let this guy elaborate he might be onto something. Like, if you are town, that phrase should immediately be a vote and push into Oblivion.
In this case it appears that SL didn't actually *know* KJ was scum, but that doesn't change the bizarreness of KJs reaction.
Kabas points against Rodemy are very valid and should also be answered as well.
@Pa To be completely honest I forgot I had a read on Lng, and in trying to come up with one looked at his most recent actions to try and build a read. One that I am going to be looking back and re-evaluate now that you point that out.
What?? The scenario is based off your assumption! Claiming roleblocked.. Oh **** I see where you are coming from.
Why Didn't you claim roleblocked?
No, its semantics. If someone says they know you're scum it's just generally how they choose to word it.
Also, if you notice, I just want him to explain PRIOR TO LYNCHING ME. I don't want him to get away with lynching me for no reason and then tomorrow be like 'oops' and everyone gives him a pass on it. I don't actually care *that* he's scumreading me. Not in the way you're saying.
I also want him to explain his townread on Jey who I am very much not townreading.
Also, you're stalling answering my questions. Being from a phone hasn't stopped you from answering everyone elses questions, just mine. It's notable that you're directing the question Pa and I asked @Pa instead of me., potentially in order to gain his favor. Vote Anak.
I'm also for a Jey lynch.
Anaklusmos - 1 (Killjoy)
JeY k - 3 (Rodemy, Tubba Fett, Pa Tennis)
Killjoy - 3 (Anaklusmos, Study Latin, JeY k)
Pa Tennis - 1 (LnGrrrR)
Rodemy - 1 (Kabazame)
Not Voting - 3 (shadowlancerx, Toastboy, Cantripmancer)
With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
The deadline is currently three days away.
@Pa I recall saying something about that.
I can understand what you're saying in regards to my and others suspicions about kaba's claim. I also understand that you have the most to gain from everyone believing it.
Did you not read my post? I said I didn't claim roleblocked because it could cause problems later, like if someone else is roleblocked and then I have to either say I was also blocked, reveal my one-shot two Days after my claim, or make up a scan. So in the end I decided against it.
What? I don't know if there is a roleblocker or not. You're accusation is assuming I am both Town and scum, saying I couldn't make them keep wasting on their RB on me because they don't have one, and implying I know they don't have one because I'm scum? and also asking my I didn't claim roleblocked after asking "how would that work if they know you weren't roleblocked?". All your statements are conflicting with yourself and I'm really confused if this is a manufactured attack from scum or if you're just thinking yourself in circles.
Also if I was scum and knew there was no roleblocker, why would I claim 1-shot instead of roleblocked? There's literally no benefit to that
He also said Vaimes' vote on GF was "kinda bad" because he was just following his town reads... so it's a little hypocritical.
Regardless, I'm not seeing much to make me think he's scum, and he does seem to be at least trying to scum hunt so I don't think I want to lynch him today
And then there's that group of people I'm scumreading already that just... united to make Zionite a wagon over Jey/Killjoy all for reasons that I'm just gonna go ahead and call suspect and it looks on purpose by why would the others do that if killjoy was town?
But then I think if killjoy is town wagons tell me there's scum in Vaimes (nope), Latin (don't think so), shadow (god dammit shadow), or Anak (pondering...)
So yeah. Where I'm at:
It seems pretty ******* likely there's exactly one scum in [killjoy/anak] so the two of them hard scumreading eachother feels correct I guess. But I don't really want to bet the game on lynching through the two of them.
These kinds of posts remind me how bad I am at this game because I have no no idea how any of this means what it does.
Yet when I try to explain exactly why I feel the way I do it's immediately thrown out.
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Early on, he says that EternalLurker is fear mongering re: Study Latin. Then the next post he says it gave him scumvibes, but then unvotes and says "No pressure yet though".
Then the next post, he calls him scum again. Then six posts later (with 2 JeyK posts vs 1 EL post) he reverses saying "Eternal is very aggressive right now. Leaning town for now."
Another two posts later,, he says, "Also, you are now moving back to scumlean. You use me as a comparison to shadow stating I didn't engage you when A) I did B) I gave up when you wouldn't actually listen to me." He then explains his read on EL further.
Later, backs off due to tunneling and saying that he was 0/4 last game on his early scum suspects.
Next post, he throws a vote on Pa Tennis, amongst other things, asking where his vote on Jey K came from. Then realizes he did and then switches over to JeY K for her comment, "We need to lynch EternalLurker before he has a chance to abuse his town-cred for some messed up mis-lynches."
Then Pa Tennis brings up an earlier post, where Rodemy asked KJ where the "light scumread" on Rodemy came from, and he stated "to me it looks like it could be an attempt to jump on a wagon of mine if it should occur."
A few posts later, he unvotes saying "Okay, so this makes more sense after reading the post before."
Then Rodemy says he disagrees with EL, that town can effectively hit scum D1, and points out Apocalypse game where that happened. Then says, "You saying it doesn't happen much just feels like you are trying to justify any mislynches that occur and chalking it up to 'It's just D1.'"
The next post he votes KJ for not answering his questions (re: scumread on him).
Then, he calls out PaTennis, saying "negating someones reads is kinda scummy. And by your two reads you are saying I could be town or scum based on what they are saying. Which is pretty fency in regards to reading me."
The next few posts he goes into his Pa Tennis scum read in post 299. Pa Tennis told him his reads are trash, and he says that's where his scumvibes come from. He says Pa Tennis is completely negating anything he says by saying that. He finishes to Pa Tennis with, "You are basically saying that anyone I find scummy isn't scummy because I find them scummy. That is... scumtastic."
Ok, this is taking a long time, gonna just point out the interesting posts IMO.
Calls out EL for "townhunting when your scumpool is that big is illogical."
Revotes JeyK, due to the tunnel on EL and the post about EL "coasting" with his BE read.
Says Kaba is scum post 703 for deflection. Also, Kaba stated that Rodemy was "coasting a bit", and Rodemy becomes defensive over it, saying "Question, coasting on what? I was a prime suspect as scum last I read. Sorry, busy week. Why exactly am I scum again? I forgot."
Called me out for derping and not just voting JeY. Then votes her next post with, "Are we lynching JeY today?".
Questions Kaba's attempt to bait the kill.
Say I'm protecting JeY, then lists scumreads as JeY, Kaba, and me.
Then we get to the recent present, with his reads list. Thoughts/questions in next post.
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@Rodemy, when did you change your read on EL and Pa Tennis?
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@Toast I think the wagon movement of "ok who can we actually get enough votes on" is pretty impossible to get a read off. Outside of that, 5-6 was the biggest wagons got (Jey, Zion, and Killjoy were all there)
Tell me about shadow.
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Time. And kabas claim. And I can't focus.
EL quit. Pa tennis feels like he is focusing on figuring things out.
Idfk man. This ***** is hars
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I legitimately don't know what else to say at this point.
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You forgot the "...Oh wait" part because that's really important to why it's funny
Thank you for reminding me though I'm laughing about it all over again
And not yet
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No. Yet. If you are hiding something, it would be great for you to actually come out and say it since I want to lynch you.
Also what happened to your tubba read? You havent even talked to him since yesterday, yet him and anuk were your two choices to lynch.
Anuk doesn't answer some of your questions and bam, you want to lynch him. Yet you've wanted to lynch jey for what is obviously more... why do you want to lynch jey? You are more concerned with other people... And then jey. Eod yesterday your jump to zionite was strange. Earlier you were saying jey was best lynch, now you jump to anuk. You never voted jey.
All I'm saying is you say you want to vote jey a few times and never vote.
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Pa: I said he isn't using what he is to try and hide through this game. He is playing a different style, and is one of the most vocal players in the game doing so.
Shadow: His feeling of difference is mostly an observation of this game compared to others I have seen/been in with him. I'm not sure it's alignment indicative, but worth mention. It also means I have been reading him with a bit more scrutiny, and haven't come away feeling scum from him.
Tubba and Study: I don't know how to explain coasting through the game any further. That coasting and sort of keeping your head low vibe is scummy to me because it allows them to get through the game without exposing themselves.
Jey: I don't know what to say here honestly.
KJ: You are asking for proof of something I obviously don't have proof of. Why would scum you push me? Because you see someone who hasn't been playing well or making much of a presence in this game, and when you would need only a couple more mislynches to win, I'm sitting in a spot of vulnerability. So you looked for a spot to attempt to organically get a wagon going on me, trying to get that mislynch.
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Ecophagy, are we getting a deadline extension? frankly, even if we found a replacement for Cantrip it wouldnt matter unless we extended it a week or something. I guess one bonus to that is no one is posting, so a replacement doesn't have to worry about the thread growing too large.
Is anyone willing to lynch Cantrip/Lurker's slot? Or are we just going to let it coast?
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I think it's playstyle. Shadow is a picker, he finds something that bugs him and he picks at it. He hasn't been posting as much lately, that'd be the only inconsistency I can see.