Sorry I haven't posted recently, my messages aren't going through and I keep getting an error when I try to post. Let's see if I fixed it
Anyway...
Rodemy is probably scum. His roundabout way of painting me as scum because of the way I claimed and saying I was "clearing a buddy" or whatever, just doesn't seem like it comes from a town mindset. It seems more like scum trying to push a mislynch on the claimed cop. Not to mention he's mostly coasted since Day 2 started and is quite defensive about it. Let's put a little pressure on him.
Vote Rodemy
I'm not really feeling the Jey lynch anymore... mostly because I was wrong about GF and Zion and I think I was looking at the game the wrong way. I think it's time to change gears. I could be convinced to lynch her though...
@kaba "claimed cop" look, you claimed and didn't die last night. Forgive me if I have my suspicions. Also your posting just doesn't bode well with me.
Also, the fact you are now attacking me for calling you out on your claim, kinda solidifies it for me.
@grr
Yup. Bussing is real. It happens.
As for cantrip/EL. God it's hard for me to even try and get ***** from el's posts. And god knows I can't ever read cantrip as scum even when he is.
So my scumreads are:
Jey
Kaba
Grr
Also, hard for me to read shadow as scum considering he was just scum last game.
Man I gotta work on that
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I'm really sorry for my inactivity. Things have been ridiculous in all my real life roles, and I just haven't had time to sit down and finish working my way thorough the thread. I thought I'd have time overNight, but... Not so much.
If you can bear with me while I sort some things out, I'll continue catching up when I can. Sorry again.
Hey Kaba, you should read some of Rodemy's previous games, I don't really think him pushing you as a claimed cop is because he has an agenda, it's because his brain is a bag of cats.
Rodemy, you just listed your scum leans, and now you want to tinfoil 4 other people? Alright, who do you think among the end of the Zionite wagon is scum? Why? Also, what is your opinion of KJ?
Vote Killjoy
I really think that a. he's probably scum, both with how yesterday ended up and in general and b. If he's not, we need to know like now.
Since when did I make Zionite a wagon over JeY? I even asked Study Latin if he would be willing to jump to JeY? And I stated yesterDay that I didn't think Zionite was a good lynch, and only jumped on his wagon because people were unwilling to vote JeY. That is the biggest misrep in this entire game.
I also tied JeY to Shadow, even more explicitly, and yet you didn't seem to care at all when that happened.
Finally, the three wagons yesterDay were Killjoy, Zionite, and JeyK. Zionite was town. You think JeYK is scum with me... so you vote KillJoy?
Since when did I make Zionite a wagon over JeY? I even asked Study Latin if he would be willing to jump to JeY? And I stated yesterDay that I didn't think Zionite was a good lynch, and only jumped on his wagon because people were unwilling to vote JeY. That is the biggest misrep in this entire game.
...You are going to hate me this game, I can already tell
This is my intuition at work. This was based on next to nothing but I knew it was going to be true. No, this doesn't add anything to the game, but I found it amusing to point out.
I also found this and jfc this is still just as funny to me. I still can't tell you why this is funny.
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I wouldn't be opposed to a Pa Tennis lynch but I still prefer Killjoy.
"But JeY does that mean you think Pa is is bussing!?"
After watching Nacho kick the crap out of nearly his entire scum team I'm not going to put it out of the realm of possibilities. I don't think it's obvious he's doing so but it would be circumstantial.
Kaba (1): Zionite (#715)
Anak (1): Killjoy (#610)
Zionite (2): Kaba (#625), Toast (#739)
JeyK (4): TubbaF (#521), EL (#652), Rodemy (#657), LnGR (#733)
Killjoy (5): PaT (#627), StudyL (#631), Anak (#648), Vaimes (#766), shadow (#769)
OH HEY LOOK WHICH WAGON I AM ON.
Post 784, I switch my vote over to Zionite, SPECIFICALLY saying I would rather lynch Zionite than KJ IF THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS. The reason I said that was because we were less than a day from the deadline, and Vaimes had said earlier he didn't want to lynch JeyK. That's why I asked Vaimes if he was willing to jump back to Zionite.
Post 800, you YOURSELF said that you weren't opposed to a Zionite lynch, though you preferred JeyK or Killjoy.
Post 808, you change your vote back to JeyK with about an hour left. Then you posted this:
JeY k - 5 (Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer, Rodemy, Zionite, Pa Tennis)
Zionite - 5 (Kabazame, Toastboy, Jey K, LnGrrrR, Killjoy)
Killjoy - 4 (Anaklusmos, Study Latin, Vaimes, Shadowlancer)
So, if what you are saying is true, then I must've stayed on the Zionite wagon, right? To push that mislynch and protect my buddy JeyK?
Then post 812, I stated I was willing to hammer JeY if we got another vote on her. (Though I was off on my lynch count, thought it was 7.)
Post 813, Rodemy asks why I didn't just vote her. Post 814, I realized he was right, and voted her. (It was late at night here.)
So at that time, JeyK had 6 votes, and was the biggest wagon.
Post 817, YOU UNVOTE JEYK. And then I call you out for it directly afterwards, asking if you were trying to force a no-lynch. You played it off as just being willing to move your vote around, and then you vote her in post 825.
Then it's past the deadline, and I ask SL if he is willing to hammer JeY, even though he thinks she is town. (Again, off on my count.)
Post 835, Shadow shows up and votes JeYK, putting her at L-1. Shadow also notes that he hates the JeyK lynch.
Post 839, you post the vote count:
JeY k - 7 (Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer, Rodemy, Zionite, LnGrrrR, Pa Tennis, Shadowlancerx) (L-1)
Zionite - 4 (Kabazame, Toastboy, Jey K, Killjoy)
Killjoy - 3 (Anaklusmos, Study Latin, Vaimes)
Post 840, you state, "All 4 of us could move to Zionite."
The next four posts are yourself, Study Latin, Shadow and myself all voting Zionite to end the Day without a no-lynch.
So given that course of events, in what world am I the one trying to lead people off JeyK?
Hey Kaba, you should read some of Rodemy's previous games, I don't really think him pushing you as a claimed cop is because he has an agenda, it's because his brain is a bag of cats.
It's more about how he never talked about me until I called him out for coasting Day 2, and he got all defensive about it and said I was deflecting (even though I was asked for a reads list, which is why I brought him up). Then today he's suddenly fine with lynching me and his reasons for that are very weak to say the least and sound like he's reaching really hard. Like if it was Toast or Jey or someone who's been hounding me all game that would be one thing, but this is kind of out of nowhere from Rodemy
Hey Kaba, you should read some of Rodemy's previous games, I don't really think him pushing you as a claimed cop is because he has an agenda, it's because his brain is a bag of cats.
It's more about how he never talked about me until I called him out for coasting Day 2, and he got all defensive about it and said I was deflecting (even though I was asked for a reads list, which is why I brought him up). Then today he's suddenly fine with lynching me and his reasons for that are very weak to say the least and sound like he's reaching really hard. Like if it was Toast or Jey or someone who's been hounding me all game that would be one thing, but this is kind of out of nowhere from Rodemy
Goin with my gut. I don't have the time nor the attention span to go back and read what everyone says.
Forgive me if I don't buy your cop claim.
Good night
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As of kaba's claim, he was tied for leading wagon with jey/killjoy.
When vaimes/shadow moved to killjoy, jey/lngrrr/killjoy hopped on zion like the last life raft.
There is a couple votes from lngrrr on jey in there. The one in #814 looks like he got called out for not following his stated reads and felt like he had to.
Jey (want to figure him out)
lngrrr (wagon viability)
killjoy (two townfirms on wagon)
All pretty weak votes.
I think jey was the worst of the lot. Going to zion with her very wordy non-read on killjoy in #714 along with the last time she mentioned zion
Mixed feelings about this post, but overall it feels genuine.
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Something is odd about this whole interaction. I like Zionite a lot less after that. I don't have anything concrete to give but I'm inspired to go back and look at him much more.
There probably isn't 5 scum. We're very likely at 8-4 or 7-4-1 with a survivor or something.
Vaguely like Rodemy for the neutral if it's the latter but that's probably silly.
@toast
I don't think there's much to be gleaned from who was here at deadline. We got the only lynch we could. Might be something in who wasn't here though. Could see scum being frozen.
@shadow of course not. My claim wasn't completely honest because I left out the 1-shot aspect, but it wasn't a fake claim
@rodemy you keep going back to not buying my cop claim, but even if you don't, saying you're OK with killing me based on so little reasoning is not a town move. Because obviously there are a lot of other options that don't involve killing the possible cop. If you had a more solid read on me it wouldn't be a problem but you've barely mentioned me all game, and your recent attacks have been weak tbh
Toast, we have 2 PRs dead and no flipped scum, so not sure why you're confused their?
Also, this game was advertised as a low power game with normal roles, so I do believe that 5 scum is outside the realm of possibility.
These combine to mean that outing power right now will have the serious downside of putting any remaining PRs on the chopping block for death way before it's necessary. If we lynch town and tomorrow it's 6-4 then we can talk about mass claim, but 2 days before earliest lylo is a bad idea.
I kinda wanna say Jey and Rodemy are unaligned because both came into today trying to lynch the cop (and scum would have to be crazy to do that) but Rodemy is, in fact, crazy enough to try that.So, I'm unsure.
Trying? Excuse me?
I'm not sure if you're taking offense at the implication that you're trying and failing or that you think that you're not even doing it a little bit and my implication that you're doing it at all is offensive?
@Killjoy, I liked the way Study Latin opened the game by asking for scum meta. Especially with it being at attack from Lurker/Cantrip, it feels far more scum vs town than TvT or bussing. His defense against Kabazame's "fancy words" attack felt pretty townie too. He did't seem ruffled or stressed, just explaining himself.
I don't think him helping Tubba is indicative of any alignment. He isn't afraid to admit when he's wrong, like when he admits that he misread something to Lurker who was attacking him earlier. He could've said the Shadow vs EL thing was scum vs town and try to attack/bus EL, but he didn't. Called out non-voters.
Overall, he interacts with lots of people, and he asks sensible questions. I don't see any scummy attacks.
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Granted, he was a lot more talkative and towny D1, but I'm still pretty confident he's town, even if there are a few posts that raise my eyebrows, he isn't on my radar toDay.
Anak is leanscum for me, mainly due to the fact that I haven't read many posts by him that made me go "Yeah, this guy could be town." I've mostly been focused on a few players, and some of my reads are fuzzy/null. Anak is in that pool.
As of kaba's claim, he was tied for leading wagon with jey/killjoy.
When vaimes/shadow moved to killjoy, jey/lngrrr/killjoy hopped on zion like the last life raft.
There is a couple votes from lngrrr on jey in there. The one in #814 looks like he got called out for not following his stated reads and felt like he had to.
Jey (want to figure him out)
lngrrr (wagon viability)
killjoy (two townfirms on wagon)
All pretty weak votes.
I think jey was the worst of the lot. Going to zion with her very wordy non-read on killjoy in #714 along with the last time she mentioned zion
Mixed feelings about this post, but overall it feels genuine.
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Something is odd about this whole interaction. I like Zionite a lot less after that. I don't have anything concrete to give but I'm inspired to go back and look at him much more.
vote jey
You mean like you're doing here?
Also, YOU GAVE TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE CARTE BLANCHE TO MOVE TO ZIONITE. "Hey lets all move to Zionite"
"HEY THESE GUYS JUMPED TO ZIONITE WITH NO PROMPTING EXCEPT THAT KJ WAS GETTING VOTED"
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I see no real benefit from massclaiming here, it's super unlikely that we are in a lylo situation which is really the only time I like it. Especially considering we are out two PRs already, in a low power game what information can we really get out there that's beneficial to us?
Town
EL/Cantrip: Mostly on the back of EL, as Cantrip hasn't been able to post much. EL was posting often and in high quality, trying to evaluate and solve the game. It's not something I expect scum to pull of consistently.
Kaba: Claimed cop, but his actions haven't given me the scum pings. Doesn't make sense to push him considering the limited shots in this game, its far more likely he is as claimed with limited shots than scum faking all of it.
Pa: I see your desire to solve the game, and aren't using what you are to try and hide.
Townload
TB: I thought his reasoning on people has been fairly sound, but the whole pushing for a massclaim thing is making me quickly re-evaluate my opinion of him. Talking as though we are close to losing the game, and pushing for a massclaim as a result, is just using fearmongering to get what you want.
Lng: Good pushes, and responses to others. Tone reads well, don't get vibes of pushing without having thought through it.
Shadow: Still feel like something is off compared to other games with you in the past, but nothing you have said or done has made me suspicious of you. You probably should be a hard town read, but I'm always paranoid of strong scum players pulling one over on me.
Scumlean
Study Latin: I really can't remember much of anything about you, much more of this and this read will become a scumread for coasting through the game.
Tubba: Ditto.
JeyK: Your back and forth with EL is the biggest reason here, the emotions you were had were trying to carry weight instead of your arguments I feel. However, a lot of people have brought you up for lynching, without really taking the next step, so its raising my read on you a bit.
Scum
KJ: Do I need to explain this one further? Nothing has happened since yesterday to influence this.
Rodemy: Why do you want to lynch a claimed cop? Moreover, looking to make bold lynches like that when we are so behind doesn't favor us at all. There is a good chance Kaba is telling the truth, no reason I see to go about lynching that today when the rest of the scumteam is still out there. Maybe this is just crazy-Rod, but I see it as trying to push through a mislynch.
@Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?
Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.
@Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?
Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.
It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.
@Tubba, Kaba claimed one-shot toDay, so lack of a result isn't too surprising. I don't want to go too much into WIFOM on thr NK, especially given that I think Vaimes was pretty widely town read. If he is still alive toMorrow or the Day after, then I will look into it.
Mass claim tomorrow if we mislynch. But I don't think we will.
@killjoy not talking about the deadline votes. Talking about the ones right after kaba's claim.
My issue is that you're trying very hard to connect us three. I'm not sure it's warrented given whats actually happened.
Do you really think that, in the event that scum!me was on the chopping block, myself and my two scumbuddies jump to suppliment a town wagon without any thoughts to the optics?
I really think that Ln and Jey are scum seperately right now (Ln is harder to explain, but I feel like he's been reletively inconsistant and unengaging, if memory serves. Jey flipped on me the moment I became the easiest town lynch.)
But my point is the fact that you're trying to lump me in with them seems wrong.
I see no real benefit from massclaiming here, it's super unlikely that we are in a lylo situation which is really the only time I like it. Especially considering we are out two PRs already, in a low power game what information can we really get out there that's beneficial to us?
@KJ I know I know in the morning.
Oh yeah... No massclaim just yet. We're not desperate enough to out everyone yet. Also i think Jey is scum and is the best lynch today probably who's not Anak.
Town
EL/Cantrip: Mostly on the back of EL, as Cantrip hasn't been able to post much. EL was posting often and in high quality, trying to evaluate and solve the game. It's not something I expect scum to pull of consistently.
Kaba: Claimed cop, but his actions haven't given me the scum pings. Doesn't make sense to push him considering the limited shots in this game, its far more likely he is as claimed with limited shots than scum faking all of it.
Pa: I see your desire to solve the game, and aren't using what you are to try and hide.
Townload
TB: I thought his reasoning on people has been fairly sound, but the whole pushing for a massclaim thing is making me quickly re-evaluate my opinion of him. Talking as though we are close to losing the game, and pushing for a massclaim as a result, is just using fearmongering to get what you want.
Lng: Good pushes, and responses to others. Tone reads well, don't get vibes of pushing without having thought through it.
Shadow: Still feel like something is off compared to other games with you in the past, but nothing you have said or done has made me suspicious of you. You probably should be a hard town read, but I'm always paranoid of strong scum players pulling one over on me.
Scumlean
Study Latin: I really can't remember much of anything about you, much more of this and this read will become a scumread for coasting through the game.
Tubba: Ditto.
JeyK: Your back and forth with EL is the biggest reason here, the emotions you were had were trying to carry weight instead of your arguments I feel. However, a lot of people have brought you up for lynching, without really taking the next step, so its raising my read on you a bit.
Scum
KJ: Do I need to explain this one further? Nothing has happened since yesterday to influence this.
Rodemy: Why do you want to lynch a claimed cop? Moreover, looking to make bold lynches like that when we are so behind doesn't favor us at all. There is a good chance Kaba is telling the truth, no reason I see to go about lynching that today when the rest of the scumteam is still out there. Maybe this is just crazy-Rod, but I see it as trying to push through a mislynch.
Vote: Killjoy
Wow. It's like you actually did forget you ever had a scumread on Ln.Lol.
Re Pa Read: Expand on this. What do you mean "not hiding"?
Re Shadow Read: Expalin "You feel off, but nothing has made me suspicious of you".
Re Tubba and Study: You're defaulting to scumreading them because you don't remember them? Also, explain how they're coasting through the game.
re Jey read: The biggest reason for him being scum is something that happened a while ago. This feels like she's down here because people want to lynch her. Also, people bringing someone up for lynching, then not lynching doesn't make someone town. It's the opposite. Also, you're all up Rodemy's ass for wanting to lynch the cop, but Jey soft wants to do that too, and you've failed to mention that.
@Tubba, Kaba claimed one-shot toDay, so lack of a result isn't too surprising. I don't want to go too much into WIFOM on thr NK, especially given that I think Vaimes was pretty widely town read. If he is still alive toMorrow or the Day after, then I will look into it.
Also more recently me. Twice.
Kaba claimed yesterday. not toDay.
re me read: I understand what you're saying. But I'm really looking for proof. All you've really said is that you're low hanging fruit without delving into why scum me would do any of this.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Rodemy, forgot to ask, what do you think of JeY and Kaba together? You seem to think both of them are scum. Are they both bussing?
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@KJ will get a reads list for you soon.
People seem really quick to latch on to Jey today, its making me want to avoid lynching her simply because everyone else is pretty content with it.
Lngrrr was trying to tie eternal to jey like he knew jey would flip scum and needed to get something out of it. Also making Zion a wagon over jey/you.
I know a good solution to this problem...
Vote killjoy
See y'all sometime Wednesday.
Anyway...
Rodemy is probably scum. His roundabout way of painting me as scum because of the way I claimed and saying I was "clearing a buddy" or whatever, just doesn't seem like it comes from a town mindset. It seems more like scum trying to push a mislynch on the claimed cop. Not to mention he's mostly coasted since Day 2 started and is quite defensive about it. Let's put a little pressure on him.
Vote Rodemy
I'm not really feeling the Jey lynch anymore... mostly because I was wrong about GF and Zion and I think I was looking at the game the wrong way. I think it's time to change gears. I could be convinced to lynch her though...
Also, the fact you are now attacking me for calling you out on your claim, kinda solidifies it for me.
@grr
Yup. Bussing is real. It happens.
As for cantrip/EL. God it's hard for me to even try and get ***** from el's posts. And god knows I can't ever read cantrip as scum even when he is.
So my scumreads are:
Jey
Kaba
Grr
Also, hard for me to read shadow as scum considering he was just scum last game.
Man I gotta work on that
If kaba is scum, what do you think about him clearing toast?
YES I know. I thought about it. Toast and kaba are not buddies
Eod yesterday 4 people jumped wagons and lynched a townie
Someone case me how all 4 of those people are town.
If you can bear with me while I sort some things out, I'll continue catching up when I can. Sorry again.
I'll try and fx the situation asap.
Rodemy, you just listed your scum leans, and now you want to tinfoil 4 other people? Alright, who do you think among the end of the Zionite wagon is scum? Why? Also, what is your opinion of KJ?
Vote Killjoy
I really think that a. he's probably scum, both with how yesterday ended up and in general and b. If he's not, we need to know like now.
Since when did I make Zionite a wagon over JeY? I even asked Study Latin if he would be willing to jump to JeY? And I stated yesterDay that I didn't think Zionite was a good lynch, and only jumped on his wagon because people were unwilling to vote JeY. That is the biggest misrep in this entire game.
I also tied JeY to Shadow, even more explicitly, and yet you didn't seem to care at all when that happened.
Finally, the three wagons yesterDay were Killjoy, Zionite, and JeyK. Zionite was town. You think JeYK is scum with me... so you vote KillJoy?
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I don't think so either...
But it was better than a no lynch and that was the only one we could get.
Ahem:
It's about the way you did it, but again- tying lots of townies to your buddy. Good effort.
vote lngrrrr
Go go gadget OMGUS
This is my intuition at work. This was based on next to nothing but I knew it was going to be true. No, this doesn't add anything to the game, but I found it amusing to point out.
I also found this and jfc this is still just as funny to me. I still can't tell you why this is funny.
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I wouldn't be opposed to a Pa Tennis lynch but I still prefer Killjoy.
"But JeY does that mean you think Pa is is bussing!?"
After watching Nacho kick the crap out of nearly his entire scum team I'm not going to put it out of the realm of possibilities. I don't think it's obvious he's doing so but it would be circumstantial.
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Post 733, I voted for JeyK.
Post 773, Vaimes notes the wagons.
Kaba (1): Zionite (#715)
Anak (1): Killjoy (#610)
Zionite (2): Kaba (#625), Toast (#739)
JeyK (4): TubbaF (#521), EL (#652), Rodemy (#657), LnGR (#733)
Killjoy (5): PaT (#627), StudyL (#631), Anak (#648), Vaimes (#766), shadow (#769)
OH HEY LOOK WHICH WAGON I AM ON.
Post 784, I switch my vote over to Zionite, SPECIFICALLY saying I would rather lynch Zionite than KJ IF THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS. The reason I said that was because we were less than a day from the deadline, and Vaimes had said earlier he didn't want to lynch JeyK. That's why I asked Vaimes if he was willing to jump back to Zionite.
Post 800, you YOURSELF said that you weren't opposed to a Zionite lynch, though you preferred JeyK or Killjoy.
Post 808, you change your vote back to JeyK with about an hour left. Then you posted this:
JeY k - 5 (Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer, Rodemy, Zionite, Pa Tennis)
Zionite - 5 (Kabazame, Toastboy, Jey K, LnGrrrR, Killjoy)
Killjoy - 4 (Anaklusmos, Study Latin, Vaimes, Shadowlancer)
So, if what you are saying is true, then I must've stayed on the Zionite wagon, right? To push that mislynch and protect my buddy JeyK?
Then post 812, I stated I was willing to hammer JeY if we got another vote on her. (Though I was off on my lynch count, thought it was 7.)
Post 813, Rodemy asks why I didn't just vote her. Post 814, I realized he was right, and voted her. (It was late at night here.)
So at that time, JeyK had 6 votes, and was the biggest wagon.
Post 817, YOU UNVOTE JEYK. And then I call you out for it directly afterwards, asking if you were trying to force a no-lynch. You played it off as just being willing to move your vote around, and then you vote her in post 825.
Then it's past the deadline, and I ask SL if he is willing to hammer JeY, even though he thinks she is town. (Again, off on my count.)
Post 835, Shadow shows up and votes JeYK, putting her at L-1. Shadow also notes that he hates the JeyK lynch.
Post 839, you post the vote count:
JeY k - 7 (Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer, Rodemy, Zionite, LnGrrrR, Pa Tennis, Shadowlancerx) (L-1)
Zionite - 4 (Kabazame, Toastboy, Jey K, Killjoy)
Killjoy - 3 (Anaklusmos, Study Latin, Vaimes)
Post 840, you state, "All 4 of us could move to Zionite."
The next four posts are yourself, Study Latin, Shadow and myself all voting Zionite to end the Day without a no-lynch.
So given that course of events, in what world am I the one trying to lead people off JeyK?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
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Pa: Are you scum this game?
"My list"
Why are you pushing people to do work for you?
A thought occurred to me. Kabaz, in metas you've played in, is it typical or at least not unheard of for town to fake cop peeks as part of subterfuge?
Not typical, but there is one guy who fake-claims cop pretty much every game, town or scum. It's really just one guy though
It's more about how he never talked about me until I called him out for coasting Day 2, and he got all defensive about it and said I was deflecting (even though I was asked for a reads list, which is why I brought him up). Then today he's suddenly fine with lynching me and his reasons for that are very weak to say the least and sound like he's reaching really hard. Like if it was Toast or Jey or someone who's been hounding me all game that would be one thing, but this is kind of out of nowhere from Rodemy
Lol.
That is some serious over reaction there.
Goin with my gut. I don't have the time nor the attention span to go back and read what everyone says.
Forgive me if I don't buy your cop claim.
Good night
zion (2): vaimes (#519), kaba (#625)
anak (1): killjoy (#610)
lurker (1): jey (#511)
kaba (1): toast (#504)
killjoy (1): tennis (#627)
tennis (1): lurker (#588)
shadow (1): latin (#628)
tubba (1): shadow (#513)
vaimes (1): zion (#613)
Abstaining (2): anak, rodemy
lurker #634 tennis>jey
lngrr #635 jey>lurker
lurker #643 jey>lngrrr
anak #648 abstain>killjoy
lurker #652 lngrrr>jey
rodemy #657 abstain>jey
jey #673 lurker>abstain
jey #713 abstain>kaba
zion #715 vaimes>kaba
kaba #728 CLAIM
kaba (3): toast (#504), jey (#713), zion (#715)
killjoy (3): tennis (#627), latin (#631), anak (#648)
zion (2): vaimes (#519), kaba (#625)
anak (1): killjoy (#610)
lurker (1) : lngrrr (#635)
tubba (1) : shadow (#513)
toast #739 kaba>zion
jey #742 kaba>abstain
vaimes #766 zion>killjoy
shadow #769 tubba>killjoy
jey #776 abstain>zion
lngrr #784 jey>zion
zion #794 kaba>jey
killjoy #803 anak>zion
tennis #808 killjoy>jey
lngrrr #814 zion>jey
tennis #817 jey>killjoy
tennis #825 killjoy>jey
shadow #835 killjoy>zion
shadow #836 zion>jey
shadow #841 jey>zion
latin #842 killjoy>zion
tennis #843 jey>zion
lngrr #844 jey>zion
LYNCH
jeY (4) : tubba (#521), lurker (#652), rodemy (#657), zion (#794)
Killjoy (2) : anak (#648, vaimes (#766)
When vaimes/shadow moved to killjoy, jey/lngrrr/killjoy hopped on zion like the last life raft.
There is a couple votes from lngrrr on jey in there. The one in #814 looks like he got called out for not following his stated reads and felt like he had to.
Jey (want to figure him out)
lngrrr (wagon viability)
killjoy (two townfirms on wagon)
All pretty weak votes.
I think jey was the worst of the lot. Going to zion with her very wordy non-read on killjoy in #714 along with the last time she mentioned zion
vote jey
Vaguely like Rodemy for the neutral if it's the latter but that's probably silly.
@toast
I don't think there's much to be gleaned from who was here at deadline. We got the only lynch we could. Might be something in who wasn't here though. Could see scum being frozen.
@shadow
In my own special way.
@rodemy you keep going back to not buying my cop claim, but even if you don't, saying you're OK with killing me based on so little reasoning is not a town move. Because obviously there are a lot of other options that don't involve killing the possible cop. If you had a more solid read on me it wouldn't be a problem but you've barely mentioned me all game, and your recent attacks have been weak tbh
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Also, this game was advertised as a low power game with normal roles, so I do believe that 5 scum is outside the realm of possibility.
These combine to mean that outing power right now will have the serious downside of putting any remaining PRs on the chopping block for death way before it's necessary. If we lynch town and tomorrow it's 6-4 then we can talk about mass claim, but 2 days before earliest lylo is a bad idea.
Hm. Ok.
Still waiting on this.
You mean like you're doing here?
Also, YOU GAVE TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE CARTE BLANCHE TO MOVE TO ZIONITE. "Hey lets all move to Zionite"
"HEY THESE GUYS JUMPED TO ZIONITE WITH NO PROMPTING EXCEPT THAT KJ WAS GETTING VOTED"
Seriously?
@killjoy not talking about the deadline votes. Talking about the ones right after kaba's claim.
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Why did you point this out?
@KJ I know I know in the morning.
Town
EL/Cantrip: Mostly on the back of EL, as Cantrip hasn't been able to post much. EL was posting often and in high quality, trying to evaluate and solve the game. It's not something I expect scum to pull of consistently.
Kaba: Claimed cop, but his actions haven't given me the scum pings. Doesn't make sense to push him considering the limited shots in this game, its far more likely he is as claimed with limited shots than scum faking all of it.
Pa: I see your desire to solve the game, and aren't using what you are to try and hide.
Townload
TB: I thought his reasoning on people has been fairly sound, but the whole pushing for a massclaim thing is making me quickly re-evaluate my opinion of him. Talking as though we are close to losing the game, and pushing for a massclaim as a result, is just using fearmongering to get what you want.
Lng: Good pushes, and responses to others. Tone reads well, don't get vibes of pushing without having thought through it.
Shadow: Still feel like something is off compared to other games with you in the past, but nothing you have said or done has made me suspicious of you. You probably should be a hard town read, but I'm always paranoid of strong scum players pulling one over on me.
Scumlean
Study Latin: I really can't remember much of anything about you, much more of this and this read will become a scumread for coasting through the game.
Tubba: Ditto.
JeyK: Your back and forth with EL is the biggest reason here, the emotions you were had were trying to carry weight instead of your arguments I feel. However, a lot of people have brought you up for lynching, without really taking the next step, so its raising my read on you a bit.
Scum
KJ: Do I need to explain this one further? Nothing has happened since yesterday to influence this.
Rodemy: Why do you want to lynch a claimed cop? Moreover, looking to make bold lynches like that when we are so behind doesn't favor us at all. There is a good chance Kaba is telling the truth, no reason I see to go about lynching that today when the rest of the scumteam is still out there. Maybe this is just crazy-Rod, but I see it as trying to push through a mislynch.
Vote: Killjoy
@Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?
Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.
@Tubba, Kaba claimed one-shot toDay, so lack of a result isn't too surprising. I don't want to go too much into WIFOM on thr NK, especially given that I think Vaimes was pretty widely town read. If he is still alive toMorrow or the Day after, then I will look into it.
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Do you really think that, in the event that scum!me was on the chopping block, myself and my two scumbuddies jump to suppliment a town wagon without any thoughts to the optics?
I really think that Ln and Jey are scum seperately right now (Ln is harder to explain, but I feel like he's been reletively inconsistant and unengaging, if memory serves. Jey flipped on me the moment I became the easiest town lynch.)
But my point is the fact that you're trying to lump me in with them seems wrong.
You're one of the only people doubting the cop claim. No one else is considering him a viable lynch right now, save Rodemy.
Oh yeah... No massclaim just yet. We're not desperate enough to out everyone yet. Also i think Jey is scum and is the best lynch today probably who's not Anak.
Wow. It's like you actually did forget you ever had a scumread on Ln.Lol.
Re Pa Read: Expand on this. What do you mean "not hiding"?
Re Shadow Read: Expalin "You feel off, but nothing has made me suspicious of you".
Re Tubba and Study: You're defaulting to scumreading them because you don't remember them? Also, explain how they're coasting through the game.
re Jey read: The biggest reason for him being scum is something that happened a while ago. This feels like she's down here because people want to lynch her. Also, people bringing someone up for lynching, then not lynching doesn't make someone town. It's the opposite. Also, you're all up Rodemy's ass for wanting to lynch the cop, but Jey soft wants to do that too, and you've failed to mention that.
Also more recently me. Twice.
Kaba claimed yesterday. not toDay.
re me read: I understand what you're saying. But I'm really looking for proof. All you've really said is that you're low hanging fruit without delving into why scum me would do any of this.
Could you explain more the whole "inconsistent" and "unengaging" comments?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
the re me read should be to Anak, not Ln.
@LN: I remember thinknig that you're being very cold and calculating and unengaging, except for that emotional post earlier today.