So I realized why Pa Tennis's dumb explanations of why certain posts or interactions must mean certain things about alignment don't seem to make any sense and I've wondered all game how he came to any of those conclusions, and why nobody has answered me at all whenever I've asked out loud for people to explain why Pa Tennis's explanations make any sense whatsoever.
They don't.
He's just pushing bull***** to manipulate this game, which is not something a town player wants to do.
Nothing he's said makes any sense and nobody has backed him up.
ISO #1: RVS
ISO #2: Votes Lng for ending RVS, which I'm typically ok with (ending RVS)
ISO #3: Explains #2, asks EL to chill out and calls EL and Shadow T/T
ISO #4: Votes town-Grape for not putting up a good read list and hoping on the Kabazame wagon
ISO #5: Lurking excuse
ISO #6: Accuses Grape of Burning Toast for an easy Kaba Lynch
ISO #7: Talks about town hunting being ok, which I kind of agree with
ISO #8: Accuses Grape of being over defensive to Anak's vote on him
ISO #9: Barns Pa, who I also think may be scum with JeyK, but that changes if we Lynch Tubba and he flips scum. Says JeyK>No Lynch, GF is in antispew (whatever that means) and Zion is not being pro town.
ISO #10: Translation: Sorry I pushed a Lynch on Town-Grape.
ISO #11: Says Pa is town because he hasn't got any votes yet. See #9
ISO #12: Takes blame for GF Lynch and votes KJ for pushing a mislynch on himself, aka OMGUS ISO #13: When Shadow asked him to take a stance on Tubba, this was his reply, which was very fence-sitty.
ISO #13: More OMGUS at KJ
ISO #14: Lurking excuse
ISO #15: Against Massclaim. I think it's too early for that too.
ISO #16: Ok, a T/S list. I like these from scumspects. EL, Kaba and Pa. I'm not surprised by Pa, it was interesting to see Kaba on there while Toast was just a town lean. Scum were listed as KJ and Rodemy. KJ I'm not surprised by but I find it interesting that both Anak and Tubba randomly plop Rodemy in their scum reads with out mentioning them at all before.
ISO #17: I still don't get why he is after Toast. Calls him out for pushing a masscalim. The only reason I can see him pushing Toast yet calling Kaba lock town is that maybe as scum, he plans on killing the claimed cop at night, but would have to Lynch confirmed town before cop is confirmed.
ISO #18: More push on KJ
ISO #19: Again at KJ, also barns Kaba against Rodemy.
ISO #20: Lurking excuse
ISO #21: This one actually feels like some genuine thought goes into this post. Explains his reads, still a bit fenced on Tubba.
ISO #22: He admits to being lurky and says he wouldn't fault anyone for reading him as scummy, but that's exactly what he did to KJ
ISO #23: Lurker Excuse plus an ATE.
What did I take from this?
Well, I think it's pretty likely that Tubba and Anak are scum together. He has a similar tunnel on KJ that Tubba had on JeyK. The Rodemy thing pops up very similarly to the way it did with Tubba. Neither Tubba or Anak so much as glance a critical eye at the other. I also am really suspicious of how he is handling the Kaba cop results by trusting Kaba, but not Toast. Also, lurking to the max. If Anak flips scum, I'd take a closer look at Pa. His OMGUS tunnel at KJ is pretty over the top, especially when he says he wouldn't hold it against anyone in ISO #22.
So I realized why Pa Tennis's dumb explanations of why certain posts or interactions must mean certain things about alignment don't seem to make any sense and I've wondered all game how he came to any of those conclusions, and why nobody has answered me at all whenever I've asked out loud for people to explain why Pa Tennis's explanations make any sense whatsoever.
They don't.
He's just pushing bull***** to manipulate this game, which is not something a town player wants to do.
Nothing he's said makes any sense and nobody has backed him up.
Are you really going to throw a third player into the running with 2 hours left?
Ok, we have two hours. I'll vote either of Tubba or Anak. I'm afraid I don't have time to make an educated decision on Pa, but I wouldn't be totally opposed. My read on Pa is more of an associative read then it is a scum read on his play, so I'd rather get a scum flip and then go after him accordingly. Anyone around for discussion right now? I just dumped a bunch of time into these two ISOs. Talk to me here.
Oh shoot I thought there was more time. I thought it was a day from 9pm yesterday.
Blah. I might not get back from work in time to fully reread. I don't think there are enough for anak so I'll table him for now and will lynch tubba unless anal gets more steam and I'm off work.
I get a feeling in my gut that Jey and tubba aren't scum together, but have no proof of why that is. That's why I'm not down for Jey right now.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don't have time to talk. I'm really stressed out at work and just checking occasionally for a mental break is all I can afford.
I'm willing to move my vote back to Tubba Fett and the mention of them and Anaklusmos having minimal interaction makes me think there's something to go off from there.
I'm vanilla town, Gouge Out Me Eyes Dobbler. If that helps anyone
Vote: Tubba
I don't love Tubba as a lynch, but anyone over me or a no lynch.
@Jey You may disagree with Pa, but calling him out for not solving the game and pushing bull***** isn't fair. Why are you even nominating him as a new candidate this close to lynch? Be more useful with your vote
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hello folks. I'm going to have to do more work day four, as I've absolutely crashed by this point.
I wasn't lying about not getting sleep over this game, and I was completely terrible to have been working on it during those hours AND at school.
There's not going to be anything productive coming out of my brain until I get real sleep. Night is 72 hours, so that should help, and days are way longer than I'm used to. (If you can tell... even the couple of days I had to work on the game felt luxurious compared to a 24 hour day phase)
I see from the last couple of posts that Tubba is about to be lynched. I'm voting with my townies because I can't clear this slot as town and they are my top suspect. I'm just not hammering yet so that people with functioning brains can use the open thread space.
We're going to need to have a talk about minding the tally. This is not a time for fancy cfds or non-main candidates that do not have a lot of supporters who want to lynch them. I get the feeling this is a large part of why people are suspecting you, because your vote choices are not nonsensical, but often times they're just not useful votes.
Let's say I was sure, absolutely sure that lngrrr was scum, but I had no support on it save a vote or two. At the end of the day, especially on later days where the time is almost up in a round and the rest of the team has decided on a suspect, your vote has to be with your team, it needs to be more than symbolic.
I've been in mashes where 2 scums were outed, but the town was split between them, and the wolf team was large enough to push a third candidate over the other two. You can't always get your top 1 suspect, and you can't always be the leader. Town's weakness is that we have to move together and we have to agree, the scums don't have such a handicap in order to win. For them it just takes one. For us, it takes a village.
I've been in your corner so far, please hear me out on this one.
Is there a secret club of 'How to formally play mafia' I wasn't invited to?
I know I was just whining about a lack of reactions but I feel like everything I do I get 'That's not how you're supposed to play mafia'.
I've only just met you, you have been working with these characters for 2 months now. Please deal with me as a separate individual with a clean slate.
I'm being open about what I need from my team, and I'm giving people plenty of heads up on everything I am doing. You should be able to anticipate how to be teammates with me and I should be able to anticipate you as well, but it's going to take more time than a day or two.
I've got three people on my list of suspects I feel are way scummier than Pa, and I haven't put in the work on Pa, I didn't have the time because of all the other people I had to look at from scratch. I really hate lynching people that I have not looked at carefully.
If this were lylo I'd consider it but I'd be in a very bad position of lynching blindly with a town read, that's not something I can be confident on.
I'll have the night phase and all of next day phase probably to take a look at Pa more carefully.
And give Shadow's and other's theory that Anaklusmos is somehow town a spin. I really don't agree but I've never been opposed to looking at something I think is really wrong with an open mind, as passionate as I might get over my own cases.
If you can sit tight for one phase I'll be more open to discussing Lngrrr, Pa, Shadow, and EL-slot, and yourself, the folks I haven't looked at in excruciating detail.
When I mislynch people, in any game, even on day one, it affects me more than a game should. That's why I really try to examine everyone as town and try to find reasons why they shouldn't die. I end up with scum reads when I can't find their villageriness. If I'm going to be wrong on a person, I also want to have all my reasons clearly stated, so someone can at least understand how I arrived at a wrong conclusion. That way, even when I screw up, it would be possible for my townies to realize I'm just wrong town, which happens from time to time.
I owe it to the players who've put months into this game to not discard them on a whim. That way if their townieness was plainly visible through their own efforts, I had a chance to see it before I blundered.
That's just how I approach it and why I'm so resistant to pushing a null on this day. If I had the full day, it would be on the table.
Well, there is about a half hour left and I don't see a claim coming and even if he did I don't think it would change anything at this point. I'm willing to hammer, but was really hoping for some more feedback on my ISOs but whatever.
Just out of curiosity, how come you didn't hammer him Pizza?
Well, there is about a half hour left and I don't see a claim coming and even if he did I don't think it would change anything at this point. I'm willing to hammer, but was really hoping for some more feedback on my ISOs but whatever.
Just out of curiosity, how come you didn't hammer him Pizza?
Stated. I know there's twilight but there's also the possibility of the game host being online and able to post the results, and discussion stops then.
I'm also looking at Tubba's iso yet again, as it's really the only thing that could possibly affect the outcome now for me. Just making sure I agree with myself.
Well, there is about a half hour left and I don't see a claim coming and even if he did I don't think it would change anything at this point. I'm willing to hammer, but was really hoping for some more feedback on my ISOs but whatever.
Just out of curiosity, how come you didn't hammer him Pizza?
Stated. I know there's twilight but there's also the possibility of the game host being online and able to post the results, and discussion stops then.
I'm also looking at Tubba's iso yet again, as it's really the only thing that could possibly affect the outcome now for me. Just making sure I agree with myself.
Well a no Lynch scares the crap out of me so I plan on hammering at the deadline, just FYI.
I'm really digging deep to picture a brand new player who is unusually confident in his own reads, the reads never change, he's passive aggressive and snarky to people, but not on a level that would get him blowback. It pretty much has to tick all of those boxes for it to be a townie.
People do play the game strangely sometimes when its their first game, but I think something should have happened within those 2 months to change his tone, demeanour, ruffle him, excite him, or get him annoyed. I feel like even a stoic personality I should be feeling their humanity over this long a time frame and with this many posts. I'm used to reading low-posters, you don't have to have hundreds of posts.
The length of time and duration of the game should have given this slot ups and downs, even if I assume they're super confident on Jey K. They should be feeling something as town loses players and they can't get their suspect lynched and they are being suspected by me today. Instead it's still monotone.
There's just no sense of urgency.
I'm sorry I just can't read that as townie, even from a new person.
Well a no Lynch scares the crap out of me so I plan on hammering at the deadline, just FYI.
Yeah. I plan on voting shortly as well, now that my re-read of the iso is done.
If Tubba is town, then... gonna have to trust the opinions of the folks that have actually had a chance to read everybody thoroughly and not rely on my 2/3rds complete picture of the game.
I've got a scum inside my greens and above if this slot is town. Not all my nulls are scum, but I think for partners, it's inside Jey K or El-slot if this is wrong. I don't think it can be shadow and pa and anak and lngrrr. Which means I didn't make a good circle.
Well a no Lynch scares the crap out of me so I plan on hammering at the deadline, just FYI.
Yeah. I plan on voting shortly as well, now that my re-read of the iso is done.
If Tubba is town, then... gonna have to trust the opinions of the folks that have actually had a chance to read everybody thoroughly and not rely on my 2/3rds complete picture of the game.
You and I replaced in at the same post and for some reason I don't think I even got a 2/3rds complete picture of this game. It's really hard to get invested when you weren't around first hand for the whole game.
I think if Tubba Fett is town, we're going to straight lose even if there are 4 scum because it sounds like I'm on the chopping block and I don't think I have a reasonable way to explain why I shouldn't get power-lynched but I'll try to come up with something during the night phase.
Maybe I'm being pessimistic but in my opinion it's more realistic. If you're town, and want to lynch me, I strongly urge you to solidify your case and make sure you're 100% certain.
I think if Tubba Fett is town, we're going to straight lose even if there are 4 scum because it sounds like I'm on the chopping block and I don't think I have a reasonable way to explain why I shouldn't get power-lynched but I'll try to come up with something during the night phase.
Maybe I'm being pessimistic but in my opinion it's more realistic. If you're town, and want to lynch me, I strongly urge you to solidify your case and make sure you're 100% certain.
If he flips town, I'll be looking at you pretty hard. If he flips scum, I doubt you're scum.
With no success so far, morale is low and paranoia high. You’ve tried all your tactics, singled out the shifty, the nervous, the people with close-together eyes, but not one evildoer was amongst them. How can a mob be so wrong? Perhaps a change of technique is required.
The tallest? The shortest? The most foreign looking? The second-closest together pair of eyes? Maybe the most chipper person, you think as you bitterly sip on black coffee. Scything through the conversation comes an off-key jingling, and some even more off-key whistling.
What about the person the most ridiculous hat?
The whistling abruptly stops, and Tubba Fett freezes just as quickly in his tracks: suddenly aware that the eyes on him have become incredibly hostile. The eyes narrow as Tubba Fett very slowly reaches up and attempts to still the absurd number of bells hanging off his over-sized hat. There are so many, stopping one set simply sets another tinkling away. Comically, pitifully, he eventually manages to silence them all.
“Surely you wouldn’t kill a merry jester such as myself?” he implores, eyes desperately scanning for an escape. He spots a window. Maybe if he can just… He begins, ever so delicately, to sidle.
“GET HIM”. The cry goes up and Tubba Fett is immediately dogpiled and trussed up. A noose is slung round his neck, and he is dumped onto a stool.
The High Justice arches an impeccable eyebrow.
“You accuse this? A fool, a simpleton? How could a someone who wears a hat this preposterous on purpose possibly be part of an intricate criminal conspiracy?”
This appears to be the last straw.
Tubba Fett’s grin becomes a grimace and widens. Even at the moment of his death, nay sacrifice, they still cannot see him for who he is. They can’t even see him as a person at all. His voice rings out, all trace of bumbling mirth replaced by the cold steel of resolution.
“All my life, all I ever wanted was to be a jester. To amuse, to entertain, to juggle a wide variety of objects. But today, my friends, it is you who are the fools. The King lies dead by our hand! And we're not finished yet.”
In the stunned silence that follows, he shuffles his feet in a merry jig and leaps off the stool. The crack echoes around the chamber.
Maldorvo pauses briefly and looks up from filing his nails. Expressionless, he lowers his head and continues filing.
Tubba Fett has been lynched. He was Sideshow Vincent - Mafia Watcher
Sideshow Vincent - Mafia Watcher
As your father once said: “Being a court jester is easy. Being a good court jester is no job for a son of mine”. You defied him anyway and although you were taught not to indulge in pride, you are a damn fine court jester. You tumble, you spin meaningless riddles, you insult just to the edge of acceptability, and you wear the huge, awkward, hat-with-bells like you were born in it.
You also listen. A jester is entertainment, not a person, so people have looser tongues than they ought to in your presence. And some people pay a good deal of money for words said in the mistaken assumption of privacy.
But when you overheard the king discuss his disappointment with you as a jester, you were horrified. His high-and-mightiness apparently prefers high-brow wordplay and satire to people with jingly hats stepping on rakes (with expert precision). Incensed, ashamed, you sought to bargain with any and every contact you had ever made to hatch a plan to keep your position.
And just like that, you stumble into a conspiracy led by none other than the king’s brother. Oh you had heard the whispers, but conspiracies to overthrow the king were a dime a dozen. For one to actually be true was a genuine surprise. But Maldorvo has always enjoyed slapstick and fart jokes, so with him in power your job would be secured for a lifetime (although not necessarily yours).
Take that dad.
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It is now Night 3, which will last approximately 72 hours - ending on Saturday 16th. Do not post in the thread.
I'm vanilla town, Gouge Out Me Eyes Dobbler. If that helps anyone
Vote: Tubba
I don't love Tubba as a lynch, but anyone over me or a no lynch.
@Jey You may disagree with Pa, but calling him out for not solving the game and pushing bull***** isn't fair. Why are you even nominating him as a new candidate this close to lynch? Be more useful with your vote
Isn't it weird how JeY is almost never useful to town with her votes?
The sun, as it so often does, rises. It is raining. Everything smells damp and cold because castles have poor insulation. You're awake, which means you're not dead, although at this point you wonder whether murderers or these breakfasts are the greater foe. You wonder how you might go about lynching eggs and bacon, but that might not be sufficient punishment for their crimes.
One person who might disagree with you is AskThePizzaGuy. He would not disagree because he is a big fan of eggs which are chewy and bacon which definitely did not come from anywhere near a pig, but because he is dead. You harboured secret hope that rooting out a conspirator might send the rest to ground, but they appear relentlessly committed to their cause.
Worse news is still to come: there is no more coffee.
Askthepizzaguy has been killed. He was Sven Svensonsonson - Town Vanilla
Sven Svensonsonson - Town Vanilla
These pansy southerners. They call this a party? A Single day of feasting? Barely enough booze for sunday Brunch? Almost no beards beyond waist length? And the fighting, God, the fighting is all posture and poorly aimed haymakers. Where are the chanting circles? The broken pool cues? The bookmakers?
You take a swig of the ale. Well, they call it ale. More like cat piss watered down with dog’s piss. Back home, you could stand a spoon upright in a proper ale, and often had to in order to loosen it enough to drink.
Still, a party is a party, and you have been invited by your cousin, who has clearly adapted to the southern way of life by falling asleep under a table. Maybe if you’re lucky these Sonaslanders will be able to pull together some sort of high profile murder to start the evening off properly.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I had an original post planned but I forgot the game would go live during double XP weekend and I wanted to definitely get something down while I was indisposed, seemed like with this little activity it was unnecessary.
Here is said original post:
AAAA I'M SO UPSET
Since the BEGINNING my brain was like "Hey something isn't right here" BUT LIKE… NOT IN A WAY THAT MAKES ME CONCERNED.
When people were throwing out the 'newb town' explanation, I could see it, but I didn't like it. Not because Tubba Fett targeted me, but just… everything about his behavior and process. It bothered me.
I said in a previous mafia game I would never doubt my intuition again. I thought I was staying true to that, but I ignored this bit of background screaming because I thought it had nothing attached to it.
[This is where I would vote Pa Tennis]
SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT HERE EITHER.
….I'M SO SUPER UPSET
Scum team is Pa Tennis, TheRealStinkyToeJerry. Anaklismuslousfusgus
StinkyJoeTerry* I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT MISTAKE IN BECAUSE I KNEW I WOULD MAKE IT EVENTUALLY
Sorry guys busy weekend. Hell yeah on the Tubbs flip and also happy on the pizza nk. He's the kind of player that can control the game and as the game gets further along I start getting paranoid has been scum manipulating the whole game all along.It was pretty clear he was town and now that it's confirmed must have scared the poo out of the scum team. I did just iso Tubba at the end of yesterday but I'll go back and read it again with the flip in hand.
Ok, we have 10 left, most likely 7 town 3 scum. It's 6 to lynch. Worst case we mislynch and eat a successful nk. We are 5v3 Mylo tomorrow.
I'm going to say this now before people wonder where it comes from, but I also feel like there's a strong dichotomy in LnGrrrR and Pa Tennis that I will look heavily into and make a decision about.
Now let's discect Tubba's First T/S list on post #291:
He has study (Pizza), EL and Kabazame as town. I know for a fact that two of those three are town. He has scum as Grapefruit, Shadow and JeyK. Grape is town, JeyK is probably town also, so two of the three of those reads are also town. I think there is something significant about that, but I've been leaning town on both the third players in those groups. Did he just null read all his buddies? Might be expected from a new player. That leaves:
Toast boy - Cop cleared by Kabazume
Pa Tennis - ???
Rodemy - ???
Vaimes - Town Doctor
Anak - ???
Killjoy - ???
LnGrrr - ???
Rhand - Town Inventor
Zionite - Town Vanilla
So maybe 3 (assuming it was 12 v 4) scum in this group? Cross reference that with Town!Pizza's T/S list:
Shoot, I'm going to go back on one thing though. There were a lot of subdued discussions between Tubba and Shadow. Of Tubba's 44 posts, 7 were addressed directly to Shadow, who he "scum read" the whole game. Not a single vote on him, or even a real push. I'm not pushing Shadow right now, but I'm not giving him a free pass either.
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So I realized why Pa Tennis's dumb explanations of why certain posts or interactions must mean certain things about alignment don't seem to make any sense and I've wondered all game how he came to any of those conclusions, and why nobody has answered me at all whenever I've asked out loud for people to explain why Pa Tennis's explanations make any sense whatsoever.
They don't.
He's just pushing bull***** to manipulate this game, which is not something a town player wants to do.
Nothing he's said makes any sense and nobody has backed him up.
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ISO #1: RVS
ISO #2: Votes Lng for ending RVS, which I'm typically ok with (ending RVS)
ISO #3: Explains #2, asks EL to chill out and calls EL and Shadow T/T
ISO #4: Votes town-Grape for not putting up a good read list and hoping on the Kabazame wagon
ISO #5: Lurking excuse
ISO #6: Accuses Grape of Burning Toast for an easy Kaba Lynch
ISO #7: Talks about town hunting being ok, which I kind of agree with
ISO #8: Accuses Grape of being over defensive to Anak's vote on him
ISO #9: Barns Pa, who I also think may be scum with JeyK, but that changes if we Lynch Tubba and he flips scum. Says JeyK>No Lynch, GF is in antispew (whatever that means) and Zion is not being pro town.
ISO #10: Translation: Sorry I pushed a Lynch on Town-Grape.
ISO #11: Says Pa is town because he hasn't got any votes yet. See #9
ISO #12: Takes blame for GF Lynch and votes KJ for pushing a mislynch on himself, aka OMGUS
ISO #13: When Shadow asked him to take a stance on Tubba, this was his reply, which was very fence-sitty.
ISO #13: More OMGUS at KJ
ISO #14: Lurking excuse
ISO #15: Against Massclaim. I think it's too early for that too.
ISO #16: Ok, a T/S list. I like these from scumspects. EL, Kaba and Pa. I'm not surprised by Pa, it was interesting to see Kaba on there while Toast was just a town lean. Scum were listed as KJ and Rodemy. KJ I'm not surprised by but I find it interesting that both Anak and Tubba randomly plop Rodemy in their scum reads with out mentioning them at all before.
ISO #17: I still don't get why he is after Toast. Calls him out for pushing a masscalim. The only reason I can see him pushing Toast yet calling Kaba lock town is that maybe as scum, he plans on killing the claimed cop at night, but would have to Lynch confirmed town before cop is confirmed.
ISO #18: More push on KJ
ISO #19: Again at KJ, also barns Kaba against Rodemy.
ISO #20: Lurking excuse
ISO #21: This one actually feels like some genuine thought goes into this post. Explains his reads, still a bit fenced on Tubba.
ISO #22: He admits to being lurky and says he wouldn't fault anyone for reading him as scummy, but that's exactly what he did to KJ
ISO #23: Lurker Excuse plus an ATE.
What did I take from this?
Well, I think it's pretty likely that Tubba and Anak are scum together. He has a similar tunnel on KJ that Tubba had on JeyK. The Rodemy thing pops up very similarly to the way it did with Tubba. Neither Tubba or Anak so much as glance a critical eye at the other. I also am really suspicious of how he is handling the Kaba cop results by trusting Kaba, but not Toast. Also, lurking to the max. If Anak flips scum, I'd take a closer look at Pa. His OMGUS tunnel at KJ is pretty over the top, especially when he says he wouldn't hold it against anyone in ISO #22.
Ok, we have two hours. I'll vote either of Tubba or Anak. I'm afraid I don't have time to make an educated decision on Pa, but I wouldn't be totally opposed. My read on Pa is more of an associative read then it is a scum read on his play, so I'd rather get a scum flip and then go after him accordingly. Anyone around for discussion right now? I just dumped a bunch of time into these two ISOs. Talk to me here.
Blah. I might not get back from work in time to fully reread. I don't think there are enough for anak so I'll table him for now and will lynch tubba unless anal gets more steam and I'm off work.
I get a feeling in my gut that Jey and tubba aren't scum together, but have no proof of why that is. That's why I'm not down for Jey right now.
Also, I think it's fair to ask for claims. One of these people will be lynched.
Bolding sucks on mobile now.
I'm willing to move my vote back to Tubba Fett and the mention of them and Anaklusmos having minimal interaction makes me think there's something to go off from there.
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Vote: Tubba
I don't love Tubba as a lynch, but anyone over me or a no lynch.
@Jey You may disagree with Pa, but calling him out for not solving the game and pushing bull***** isn't fair. Why are you even nominating him as a new candidate this close to lynch? Be more useful with your vote
vote tubba
I wasn't lying about not getting sleep over this game, and I was completely terrible to have been working on it during those hours AND at school.
There's not going to be anything productive coming out of my brain until I get real sleep. Night is 72 hours, so that should help, and days are way longer than I'm used to. (If you can tell... even the couple of days I had to work on the game felt luxurious compared to a 24 hour day phase)
I see from the last couple of posts that Tubba is about to be lynched. I'm voting with my townies because I can't clear this slot as town and they are my top suspect. I'm just not hammering yet so that people with functioning brains can use the open thread space.
We're going to need to have a talk about minding the tally. This is not a time for fancy cfds or non-main candidates that do not have a lot of supporters who want to lynch them. I get the feeling this is a large part of why people are suspecting you, because your vote choices are not nonsensical, but often times they're just not useful votes.
Let's say I was sure, absolutely sure that lngrrr was scum, but I had no support on it save a vote or two. At the end of the day, especially on later days where the time is almost up in a round and the rest of the team has decided on a suspect, your vote has to be with your team, it needs to be more than symbolic.
I've been in mashes where 2 scums were outed, but the town was split between them, and the wolf team was large enough to push a third candidate over the other two. You can't always get your top 1 suspect, and you can't always be the leader. Town's weakness is that we have to move together and we have to agree, the scums don't have such a handicap in order to win. For them it just takes one. For us, it takes a village.
I've been in your corner so far, please hear me out on this one.
JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Kabazame, Pa Tennis)
Pa Tennis - 2 (LnGrrrR, JeY k)
Tubba Fett - 5 (shadowlancerx, Rodemy, Anaklusmos, Toastboy, Killjoy)
Not Voting - 2 (AskThePizzaGuy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. One hour to go.
Is there a secret club of 'How to formally play mafia' I wasn't invited to?
I know I was just whining about a lack of reactions but I feel like everything I do I get 'That's not how you're supposed to play mafia'.
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Let's see which scum player wants to execute their buddy
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I've only just met you, you have been working with these characters for 2 months now. Please deal with me as a separate individual with a clean slate.
I'm being open about what I need from my team, and I'm giving people plenty of heads up on everything I am doing. You should be able to anticipate how to be teammates with me and I should be able to anticipate you as well, but it's going to take more time than a day or two.
I've got three people on my list of suspects I feel are way scummier than Pa, and I haven't put in the work on Pa, I didn't have the time because of all the other people I had to look at from scratch. I really hate lynching people that I have not looked at carefully.
If this were lylo I'd consider it but I'd be in a very bad position of lynching blindly with a town read, that's not something I can be confident on.
I'll have the night phase and all of next day phase probably to take a look at Pa more carefully.
And give Shadow's and other's theory that Anaklusmos is somehow town a spin. I really don't agree but I've never been opposed to looking at something I think is really wrong with an open mind, as passionate as I might get over my own cases.
If you can sit tight for one phase I'll be more open to discussing Lngrrr, Pa, Shadow, and EL-slot, and yourself, the folks I haven't looked at in excruciating detail.
I owe it to the players who've put months into this game to not discard them on a whim. That way if their townieness was plainly visible through their own efforts, I had a chance to see it before I blundered.
That's just how I approach it and why I'm so resistant to pushing a null on this day. If I had the full day, it would be on the table.
Just out of curiosity, how come you didn't hammer him Pizza?
Stated. I know there's twilight but there's also the possibility of the game host being online and able to post the results, and discussion stops then.
I'm also looking at Tubba's iso yet again, as it's really the only thing that could possibly affect the outcome now for me. Just making sure I agree with myself.
It's
"Holy cow this guy is scum"
"Okay maybe but that lynch isn't happening due to circumstances but your opinion is noted"
"I understand"
that could've been transpired instead of
"Holy cow this guy is scum"
"You shouldn't have made a case or voted as per Mafia Protocol 15 subsection D"
"Okay didn't realize I had to play a specific way"
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People do play the game strangely sometimes when its their first game, but I think something should have happened within those 2 months to change his tone, demeanour, ruffle him, excite him, or get him annoyed. I feel like even a stoic personality I should be feeling their humanity over this long a time frame and with this many posts. I'm used to reading low-posters, you don't have to have hundreds of posts.
The length of time and duration of the game should have given this slot ups and downs, even if I assume they're super confident on Jey K. They should be feeling something as town loses players and they can't get their suspect lynched and they are being suspected by me today. Instead it's still monotone.
There's just no sense of urgency.
I'm sorry I just can't read that as townie, even from a new person.
Yeah. I plan on voting shortly as well, now that my re-read of the iso is done.
If Tubba is town, then... gonna have to trust the opinions of the folks that have actually had a chance to read everybody thoroughly and not rely on my 2/3rds complete picture of the game.
I've got a scum inside my greens and above if this slot is town. Not all my nulls are scum, but I think for partners, it's inside Jey K or El-slot if this is wrong. I don't think it can be shadow and pa and anak and lngrrr. Which means I didn't make a good circle.
I need to know that to go forward.
Finger's Crossed for a scum flip!
Maybe I'm being pessimistic but in my opinion it's more realistic. If you're town, and want to lynch me, I strongly urge you to solidify your case and make sure you're 100% certain.
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Tubba Fett - 7 (shadowlancerx, Rodemy, Anaklusmos, Toastboy, Killjoy, JeY k, Askthepizzaguy)
JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Kabazame, Pa Tennis)
Pa Tennis - 1 (LnGrrrR)
Not Voting - 1 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
With 12 Alive, it took 7 votes to lynch.
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With no success so far, morale is low and paranoia high. You’ve tried all your tactics, singled out the shifty, the nervous, the people with close-together eyes, but not one evildoer was amongst them. How can a mob be so wrong? Perhaps a change of technique is required.
The tallest? The shortest? The most foreign looking? The second-closest together pair of eyes? Maybe the most chipper person, you think as you bitterly sip on black coffee. Scything through the conversation comes an off-key jingling, and some even more off-key whistling.
What about the person the most ridiculous hat?
The whistling abruptly stops, and Tubba Fett freezes just as quickly in his tracks: suddenly aware that the eyes on him have become incredibly hostile. The eyes narrow as Tubba Fett very slowly reaches up and attempts to still the absurd number of bells hanging off his over-sized hat. There are so many, stopping one set simply sets another tinkling away. Comically, pitifully, he eventually manages to silence them all.
“Surely you wouldn’t kill a merry jester such as myself?” he implores, eyes desperately scanning for an escape. He spots a window. Maybe if he can just… He begins, ever so delicately, to sidle.
“GET HIM”. The cry goes up and Tubba Fett is immediately dogpiled and trussed up. A noose is slung round his neck, and he is dumped onto a stool.
The High Justice arches an impeccable eyebrow.
“You accuse this? A fool, a simpleton? How could a someone who wears a hat this preposterous on purpose possibly be part of an intricate criminal conspiracy?”
This appears to be the last straw.
Tubba Fett’s grin becomes a grimace and widens. Even at the moment of his death, nay sacrifice, they still cannot see him for who he is. They can’t even see him as a person at all. His voice rings out, all trace of bumbling mirth replaced by the cold steel of resolution.
“All my life, all I ever wanted was to be a jester. To amuse, to entertain, to juggle a wide variety of objects. But today, my friends, it is you who are the fools. The King lies dead by our hand! And we're not finished yet.”
In the stunned silence that follows, he shuffles his feet in a merry jig and leaps off the stool. The crack echoes around the chamber.
Maldorvo pauses briefly and looks up from filing his nails. Expressionless, he lowers his head and continues filing.
Tubba Fett has been lynched. He was Sideshow Vincent - Mafia Watcher
As your father once said: “Being a court jester is easy. Being a good court jester is no job for a son of mine”. You defied him anyway and although you were taught not to indulge in pride, you are a damn fine court jester. You tumble, you spin meaningless riddles, you insult just to the edge of acceptability, and you wear the huge, awkward, hat-with-bells like you were born in it.
You also listen. A jester is entertainment, not a person, so people have looser tongues than they ought to in your presence. And some people pay a good deal of money for words said in the mistaken assumption of privacy.
But when you overheard the king discuss his disappointment with you as a jester, you were horrified. His high-and-mightiness apparently prefers high-brow wordplay and satire to people with jingly hats stepping on rakes (with expert precision). Incensed, ashamed, you sought to bargain with any and every contact you had ever made to hatch a plan to keep your position.
And just like that, you stumble into a conspiracy led by none other than the king’s brother. Oh you had heard the whispers, but conspiracies to overthrow the king were a dime a dozen. For one to actually be true was a genuine surprise. But Maldorvo has always enjoyed slapstick and fart jokes, so with him in power your job would be secured for a lifetime (although not necessarily yours).
Take that dad.
Abilities:
Fool’s Gold: Each Night you may Watch a target player and receive a list of players who targeted them with an ability (but not what that ability was).
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It is now Night 3, which will last approximately 72 hours - ending on Saturday 16th. Do not post in the thread.
Isn't it weird how JeY is almost never useful to town with her votes?
The sun, as it so often does, rises. It is raining. Everything smells damp and cold because castles have poor insulation. You're awake, which means you're not dead, although at this point you wonder whether murderers or these breakfasts are the greater foe. You wonder how you might go about lynching eggs and bacon, but that might not be sufficient punishment for their crimes.
One person who might disagree with you is AskThePizzaGuy. He would not disagree because he is a big fan of eggs which are chewy and bacon which definitely did not come from anywhere near a pig, but because he is dead. You harboured secret hope that rooting out a conspirator might send the rest to ground, but they appear relentlessly committed to their cause.
Worse news is still to come: there is no more coffee.
Askthepizzaguy has been killed. He was Sven Svensonsonson - Town Vanilla
Sven Svensonsonson - Town Vanilla
These pansy southerners. They call this a party? A Single day of feasting? Barely enough booze for sunday Brunch? Almost no beards beyond waist length? And the fighting, God, the fighting is all posture and poorly aimed haymakers. Where are the chanting circles? The broken pool cues? The bookmakers?
You take a swig of the ale. Well, they call it ale. More like cat piss watered down with dog’s piss. Back home, you could stand a spoon upright in a proper ale, and often had to in order to loosen it enough to drink.
Still, a party is a party, and you have been invited by your cousin, who has clearly adapted to the southern way of life by falling asleep under a table. Maybe if you’re lucky these Sonaslanders will be able to pull together some sort of high profile murder to start the evening off properly.
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It is now Day 4, which will last two weeks. The deadline is 2100GMT on Saturday 30th September.
With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Vote Lngrrr
Anak/Killjoy still feels really muddy, but Lngrrr doesn't. He is just scum.
Time to find a cpu and read tubbas stuff.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
That's actually the opposite of what I'm saying.
Here is said original post:
AAAA I'M SO UPSET
Since the BEGINNING my brain was like "Hey something isn't right here" BUT LIKE… NOT IN A WAY THAT MAKES ME CONCERNED.
When people were throwing out the 'newb town' explanation, I could see it, but I didn't like it. Not because Tubba Fett targeted me, but just… everything about his behavior and process. It bothered me.
I said in a previous mafia game I would never doubt my intuition again. I thought I was staying true to that, but I ignored this bit of background screaming because I thought it had nothing attached to it.
[This is where I would vote Pa Tennis]
SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT HERE EITHER.
….I'M SO SUPER UPSET
Scum team is Pa Tennis, TheRealStinkyToeJerry. Anaklismuslousfusgus
StinkyJoeTerry* I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT MISTAKE IN BECAUSE I KNEW I WOULD MAKE IT EVENTUALLY
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Ok, we have 10 left, most likely 7 town 3 scum. It's 6 to lynch. Worst case we mislynch and eat a successful nk. We are 5v3 Mylo tomorrow.
When I have time I'll put together the case.
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He has study (Pizza), EL and Kabazame as town. I know for a fact that two of those three are town. He has scum as Grapefruit, Shadow and JeyK. Grape is town, JeyK is probably town also, so two of the three of those reads are also town. I think there is something significant about that, but I've been leaning town on both the third players in those groups. Did he just null read all his buddies? Might be expected from a new player. That leaves:
Toast boy - Cop cleared by Kabazume
Pa Tennis - ???
Rodemy - ???
Vaimes - Town Doctor
Anak - ???
Killjoy - ???
LnGrrr - ???
Rhand - Town Inventor
Zionite - Town Vanilla
So maybe 3 (assuming it was 12 v 4) scum in this group? Cross reference that with Town!Pizza's T/S list:
Town
Toastboy
Killjoy
Kabazame
Scum
Lngr
Anak
Tubba
I'm going to dial in on Lng and Anak for now.