@Pa, as I noted early, super Towny D1. And he is still overall a town read. But you don't get to lurk hardcore for 2 whole Days, then come in near guaranteeing KJ is scum, without actually putting out a case or anything and expect everyone to sheep you.
@Anak what's the difference between tubba/latin and, say, you?
@lngrrr what was your read on latin before?
Not a whole lot, in terms of activity. Which is totally a fair point, and wouldn't fault anyone for thinking it scummy. Your read of me has gone south as a result, as others have as well
^what I mean by that is, he is coasting so hard that even if he is town (as Day 1 led many to believe), I really wouldn't regret lynching him because he had it coming
I am on Norway time and it is 1 AM, on a school day. I'll need time to read the current round and dig back into previous rounds. I'm glad to see that the previous occupant of this slot was active and should have been readable, that informs my strategy which is to shift focus to my own reads instead of improving the readability of the slot by "being townie."
Hang tight, and I'll try to actually be useful in terms of the solve, not just avoiding being mislynch bait.
It should be noted I am typically an enormously active + very interactive player who prefers talking in real time, so if you're online when I am online, stick around for responses please. If you're in my town that is a big help to me.
My usual time will be in about 12+ hours from now each day, within a range of 10 hours after that or so.
Wait, before I do that, it will help in my vote analysis if I could get a general idea of the size of the scum team.
Based on what you know of the setup, @ everyone, how many scums should I be looking for would you estimate? It impacts my reads because smaller teams behave differently as they have to be slightly more conservative.
Wait, before I do that, it will help in my vote analysis if I could get a general idea of the size of the scum team.
Based on what you know of the setup, @ everyone, how many scums should I be looking for would you estimate? It impacts my reads because smaller teams behave differently as they have to be slightly more conservative.
Wait wat? You know how to do voter analysis and know enough about how to read smaller teams vs larger..
But you can't estimate how many scum are in a 16 person game?
Asking about how many scum you should expect distances you from being scum because "hey I don't know how many scum there are.. "
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@Toast I think you're a good enough player to realize why my read on you changed between D1 and D2. I really don't want to have to spell this out.
As for Jey, I'm pretty sure she's scum but I was also pretty sure grapefruit was scum, so I'm going back and forth because I'm not all that confident atm
Sorry for the general lack of engagement day 2, I've been busy moving and stuff. I did say though that I liked Killjoy's posts today, because his thought process seems townie and like he's really trying to figure out the game. I think Rodemy is coasting a bit, and Study Latin was too until recently. I also said I like LnGrrR as town based on his posts today when EL started trying to push him. So I have adjusted my reads based on what has happened today
Town - Anak, Toast, Pa Tennis
Lean Town - LnGrrR, Latin, Vaimes, Killjoy, Shadow Null - Cantrip, Tubba Lean scum - Rodemy
Scum - Zion, Jey
Bolding mine. Imo Cantrip (EternalLurker) should not have been a null read at this point in the game. There was enough to read for motive to push them up or down the list.
I don't believe a lack of process went into this, so I need more data. Can you explain your thought process on EL/Cantripmancer-slot by this stage of the game please, @Kabazme?
Coming up on an hour since my last post, with respect to the forum rules against spamming.
I'm a replacement slot and no one is around, including rodemy, so I gotta do something game-related. I hope you understand.
I'll want to dig into the vote record more, but just assembling it at all took hours. I am not entirely sure I got every vote change either.
The early game squabbles and the early game vote tally with the crazy wagons you need to do a lynch at all due to no plurality lynch have me at a point where I am not sure the vote record from that day will yield much in terms of partner pair snalysis. Still with only 2 unproductive days and not lots of mislynches left it's something I'll have to pick at anyway.
I needed to get this done in one sitting so I could come at the actual analysis part fresh, so I was not really paying attention to the words as they scrolled by, just vote change hunting.
I did note the cop claim and the peek result, found it shortly after the above question.
Based on that, my earth-shattering hot takes are that Toast is likely to be town, and that we should at least not lynch Kabaz. I'm not as persuaded by the claim as I probably should be given how the thread has unfolded since that claim, but I didn't do any actual analysis or iso of the slot, all I noticed was the biggest talker in the game was getting a null read from them since it was at the top of the page and that person had just replaced out. When they claimed cop to dodge a lynch it looked really bad, especially when the doc died that same night. But I know coincidences are a thing and wouldn't bet the game on those bad vibes.
I'll push my limited suspicions aside for now. Assuming they were even scum, they're not the only scum, and a cop claim is a caught scum. So we'll deal with town universe Kabaz until otherwise indicated.
Plus, I'm sure not everyone has my penchant for disliking cop claims or my desire to lynch inside of them when they smell fishy. The diplo situation says not to even bother with that try here.
So I'm town, and Toast is town. Gonna put EL-slot as town just on volume alone, but that's weak and I reserve the right to reverse it on closer inspection.
It looks like I have to try and find out if I agree with my predecessor about KillJoy. That'll be the first person I iso and try to talk to. Or at least that's my loose plan.
Final Day 1 Votecount
Grapefruit21 - 9 (Anaklusmos, Kabazame, EternalLurker, Pa Tennis, Vaimes, Study Latin, Killjoy, Grapefruit21, shadowlancerx)
JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Rhand, Toastboy)
Kabazame - 2 (LnGrrrR, JeY k)
Killjoy - 1 (Rodemy)
Not Voting - 1 (Zionite)
Final Day 2 Votecount
Zionite - 8 (Kabazame, Toastboy, Jey K, Killjoy, Shadowlancerx, Study Latin, Pa Tennis, LnGrrrR)
JeY k - 4 (Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer, Rodemy, Zionite)
Killjoy - 2 (Anaklusmos, Vaimes)
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Vote history
D1
Anak votes JeyK
EL votes Vaimes
Lng votes rodemy
JeyK votes "iso"
I vote Zionite
Kill votes Toast
rhand votes Kill
EL votes Me
Kabazame refuses to random vote
Shadow votes Me
Shadow votes Kabaz
Shadow votes JeyK
rodemy votes "seppel"
Lng votes EL
Toast votes CM
Anak votes Lng
Grape votes Pa
Pa votes Shadow
Kill unvotes
EL votes Pa
Page2
Jeyk votes EL
rodemy unvotes
I voted Killjoy
Shadow votes EL
zion votes rodemy
Page 3
Pa votes Jeyk
EL votes Blues
rodemy votes Pa
Pa votes Grape
EL votes Pa
Toast votes Kabaz
rodemy votes Jeyk
Page 4
rhand votes Pa
I vote rodemy
EL votes Zionite
Pa votes rodemy
rodemy unvotes
EL votes Grape
Tubba votes JeyK
Page 5
Lng votes Kabaz
Grape replaces in for Blues
Zionite votes JeyK
Grape votes Kabaz
Anak votes Grape
Kabaz votes grape
Tubba votes Jeyk
lng votes kabaz
Page 6
rod votes Kill
Pa votes grape
lng votes kabaz
Vaimes votes me
Page 7
Kill votes Pa
Shadow votes Tubba
Page 8
Vaimes votes grape
Page 9
zion unvotes
Jeyk votes Kabaz
grape unvotes
I vote Zionite
grape votes Jeyk
Page 11
Pa votes kill
Toast votes kabaz
Jeyk votes EL
Shadow votes Tubba
Vaimes votes zion
Tubba votes Jeyk
lng votes Jeyk
Pa votes Jeyk
EL votes Jeyk
Page 12
EL votes Pa
Zion votes Pa
Page 13
Kill votes Anak
Zion votes Vaimes
Kabaz votes Zion
Pa votes Kill
I vote Shadow
I vote Kill
EL votes Jeyk
Lng votes EL
EL votes Lng
Anak votes Kill
Page 14
EL votes Jeyk
rodemy votes jeyk
EL replaces out, Cantripmancer replaces in.
Jeyk unvotes
Page 15
Kabaz** strange post
Jeyk votes Kabazme
Zion votes Kabazme
Kabaz claims town cop with peek town on Toast
Lng votes Jeyk
Toast votes Zion
Jeyk unvotes
Page 16
Vaimes votes KJ
Shadow votes KJ
Jeyk votes Zion
Lng votes Zion
Zion votes Jeyk
Page 17
Kill votes Zion
Pa votes Jeyk
Lng votes Jeyk
Pa votes Kill
Pa votes Jeyk
Shadow votes Zion
Shadow votes Jeyk
Shadow votes Zion
I vote Zion
Pa votes Zion
Lng votes Zion
EOD 2 Zion is lynched.
Vaimes is killed.
Page 18
Jeyk votes Kill
rodemy votes jeyk
Tubba votes Jeyk
Pa votes jeyk
Pa votes Kill
Kabaz votes rodemy
Shadow votes Kill
Lng votes Pa
Pa votes Lng
Page 19
Pa votes Jeyk
Anak votes Kill
Jeyk votes Kabaz
Page 20- I replace in on this page somewhere, after "I" voted.
I vote Killjoy
Jeyk votes Kill
Shadow unvotes
KJ votes Anak
Page 21
Toast votes Anak
If I missed any votes, that's because they're legit hard to see and for some reason my mouse wheel is scrolling way more in chrome than it does in firefox. Unsure how to change this setting.
The above is "work" but it's useless work and doesn't come close to really resembling content or serious leans on the game. But it's the sketch I need to start from.
Depending on how much time remains in this day I could end up sheeping my town read(s) when I get more, or just Toast. But I can't do that without trying an independent solve, otherwise despite my predecessor's efforts you won't be able to read this slot since you'll forget those posts existed and the leans you got from them. Plus even if Toast is both town and right with his vote this silly game may end up on my shoulders, so I'd better have some real depth of understanding of the game come endgame, or else I've wasted my time and several months of yours.
I'm taking it seriously. I'll do real reading and isoing and see where I'm at in the time allotted, and have depth of reads on every player in the game before end of round. That's the most I can promise, but pizza delivers.
I see Pa's response in alternate tab page refresh, so I'll include my response to that here.
Hi Pizza. I think 4 scum and they've just got really lucky with PRs is more likely.
Yeah got that impression by the time there was no serious counter to Kabaz. Plus I didn't see the Inventor flip revealed the things they gave away except through the later discussion of it. 4 makes sense based on that.
It's just such a tantalizing play, the kind you make and it works so well, to get the heat off of you with a cop claim and then bink the townies you think are the powers, when no counterclaim arises. It would have been nice if it were that simple, but I get the feeling this game is more of a worst case scenario with the inactive replacements and the slaughter of the power roles.
Once again it's time for the big boy pants. Gotta solve it with our thinking brains and not the mod holding our hand. I'd feel better about it if I were here from the beginning so I could feel it unfold in real time, but this thread would be twice as long if that happened. You guys would be begging for Eternal to come back.
I gotta hang it up as its 430am and I'm gonna run into the wall of usefulness (uselesness?) now that I've skimmed 22 pages of material for stuff. Best give it a rest or I'm not gonna think clearly on my no sleep at all analysis this afternoon.
I've said I'm leaving a bunch of times already, and there's a foolish part of my townie brain telling me to stay and now talk to you and Tom-in-a-disguise.
Thing is, I will literally burn myself out on a silly replacement slot because I'm that stupid about priorities.
It's not crunch time yet. I'll burn even more midnight oil when it matters. Hope that's ok. I gotta do something not-this for a while before school.
@Toast I think you're a good enough player to realize why my read on you changed between D1 and D2. I really don't want to have to spell this out.
As for Jey, I'm pretty sure she's scum but I was also pretty sure grapefruit was scum, so I'm going back and forth because I'm not all that confident atm
Sorry for the general lack of engagement day 2, I've been busy moving and stuff. I did say though that I liked Killjoy's posts today, because his thought process seems townie and like he's really trying to figure out the game. I think Rodemy is coasting a bit, and Study Latin was too until recently. I also said I like LnGrrR as town based on his posts today when EL started trying to push him. So I have adjusted my reads based on what has happened today
Town - Anak, Toast, Pa Tennis
Lean Town - LnGrrR, Latin, Vaimes, Killjoy, Shadow Null - Cantrip, Tubba Lean scum - Rodemy
Scum - Zion, Jey
Bolding mine. Imo Cantrip (EternalLurker) should not have been a null read at this point in the game. There was enough to read for motive to push them up or down the list.
I don't believe a lack of process went into this, so I need more data. Can you explain your thought process on EL/Cantripmancer-slot by this stage of the game please, @Kabazme?
Not sure how much you read before this but EL was like my strongest town read. Cantrip replaced in and did exactly nothing so he went into null. I don't give players a free pass just because they happened to replace into a slot I was town reading, the previous player may have just been doing a good job. So yeah, Cantrip doesn't get a town read from me just because I was reading EL town, and he hadn't do anything to make a read yet at that point
I've said I'm leaving a bunch of times already, and there's a foolish part of my townie brain telling me to stay and now talk to you and Tom-in-a-disguise.
Thing is, I will literally burn myself out on a silly replacement slot because I'm that stupid about priorities.
It's not crunch time yet. I'll burn even more midnight oil when it matters. Hope that's ok. I gotta do something not-this for a while before school.
I made that post as I was checking the thread before bed time so hopefully you didn't stay to try and talk to me I live on the east coast of the states and work typical full-time hours so sleeping at a reasonable time is somewhat mandatory
I like your post, it's somewhat inspiring. I just... really want EternalLurker's/Cantrip's replacement to post before I do anything
Comment #1: Ewww, I just realized I replaced in for EL's slot who I had a huge fight with in my other game and his rage quit was probably at me. I don't have a lot of respect for his reads or his attitude, so please don't hold it against me.
Comment #1: Ewww, I just realized I replaced in for EL's slot who I had a huge fight with in my other game and his rage quit was probably at me. I don't have a lot of respect for his reads or his attitude, so please don't hold it against me.
Just don't be scum and we're all good :>
I probably didn't help the situation, he was getting really mad at me.
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Group question: How often does scum try to avoid group questions? How often to town ignore them?
Comment #1: Ewww, I just realized I replaced in for EL's slot who I had a huge fight with in my other game and his rage quit was probably at me. I don't have a lot of respect for his reads or his attitude, so please don't hold it against me.
Just don't be scum and we're all good :>
I probably didn't help the situation, he was getting really mad at me.
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Group question: How often does scum try to avoid group questions? How often to town ignore them?
Scum avoid group questions all the time. See what I did there!? Joking aside, what's the group question you're referring to?
Not sure how much you read before this but EL was like my strongest town read. Cantrip replaced in and did exactly nothing so he went into null. I don't give players a free pass just because they happened to replace into a slot I was town reading, the previous player may have just been doing a good job. So yeah, Cantrip doesn't get a town read from me just because I was reading EL town, and he hadn't do anything to make a read yet at that point
Difference of style I guess. In my view, if you've got a strong town read off of a slot, their having to sub out doesn't change their alignment.
Cantrip being unable to do anything with the slot because rl or something, I don't think you should drop your read.
Still, it's your read and your decision. The reasoning you're using here makes you a town read outside of your claim for me, because I don't think that particular thought process can be faked easily. It's much simpler and still convincing to keep the slot the same read if you're scum. Your claim makes you die soon so you never have to really answer for it if you just leave the slot as it is, since it doesn't affect the outcome.
If it doesn't affect the outcome and it's a really subtle piece of your thinking, I don't think it's fake. Lies are deliberate, they're not often that subtle.
If you did it while scum then hats off to you for both the wildly successful fake claim plus also faking real town thoughts.
So this isn't the most thorough lean I've given, but I'm still confident on it. I know people may think it's a no brainer due to the claim but I don't assign leans based on claims, but on posts. This post almost always comes from a town mindset and when combined with the leans list, there's no motive to drop him to null if you're planning to fake claim. Your reads simply don't have to change if you anticipated trading yourself off, and certainly not from town to null. Something more decisive like a scum lean, even mild, has a motive.
Comment #1: Ewww, I just realized I replaced in for EL's slot who I had a huge fight with in my other game and his rage quit was probably at me. I don't have a lot of respect for his reads or his attitude, so please don't hold it against me.
Your slot isn't lock town, but it's "lock" town.
EL's performance was really good looking even just on a skim. Your slot is basically always town.
I don't know if his reads or his attitude was good, and I don't really care since he's not here, I just think the slot's alignment was discernible. Basically the only alignment I determined while skimming.
you can. Why would you though? And why go beyond the scope of my question here?
I don't get to endgame that much, and with the specific town roles dead or outed, and the setup is gonna have lots of vanilla townies... I know you guys said don't mass claim, but I really have no reason not to claim.
I'm Sven Svensonsonson. My guess is I'm the son of a bunch of guys named Sven. It's just how I choose to play this out.
you can. Why would you though? And why go beyond the scope of my question here?
I don't get to endgame that much, and with the specific town roles dead or outed, and the setup is gonna have lots of vanilla townies... I know you guys said don't mass claim, but I really have no reason not to claim.
I'm Sven Svensonsonson. My guess is I'm the son of a bunch of guys named Sven. It's just how I choose to play this out.
Alright, I'm rescinding my sideways glance, I like Pizza for town*.
Shadow, given how badly I blundered reading you last time.
I need to get you right this time. This is what I need, because I'm making a town circle and you're here.
I know this will take you some time but if we're townies together we essentially need to mason up.
I would like you to please walk me through all your vote changes and suspicions this game, and the folks you marked as town. Can you tell me what you were thinking at the time you made those decisions or conclusions, and how (as much as you care to explain).
Yeah I know I'm asking a lot of you when I make such a request. But it's how I solved someone difficult to read in an endgame once and I'd like to pull off the same feat again.
Due to ongoing replacement uncertainty, the deadline has been extended by four days. Day will now end at 2200GMT on Wednesday 13th September. Cantripmancer may or may not be replaced (and I hope to have a decision on that today).
Ok I still have time to do the things I was gonna do before end of day. Long irl day for me, I don't have the energy levels for digging or deep analysis outside of maybe iosing the low posters. But I'll park my ass in the thread for as long as I can. If people talk to me that's good, if people stop talking to me I'll do the easier isos to get them out of the way.
Shadow, given how badly I blundered reading you last time.
I need to get you right this time. This is what I need, because I'm making a town circle and you're here.
I know this will take you some time but if we're townies together we essentially need to mason up.
I would like you to please walk me through all your vote changes and suspicions this game, and the folks you marked as town. Can you tell me what you were thinking at the time you made those decisions or conclusions, and how (as much as you care to explain).
Yeah I know I'm asking a lot of you when I make such a request. But it's how I solved someone difficult to read in an endgame once and I'd like to pull off the same feat again.
Can you meet me halfway and quote specific posts that you'd like me to address or walk you through? If you quote a bunch that's fine, but otherwise you're asking me to make busywork for myself, and I think being more specific will be more useful than just trying to give you an overview of the game.
Can you meet me halfway and quote specific posts that you'd like me to address or walk you through? If you quote a bunch that's fine, but otherwise you're asking me to make busywork for myself, and I think being more specific will be more useful than just trying to give you an overview of the game.
Yeah I can. Outside of rvs, the serious votes and serious suspicions. Stuff like needing to consolidate to prevent a no lynch I get as an explanation, no need to explain.
And your townies, the ones that were not weak leans. How did you clear them.
I'll get the specific posts I'd like more depth on, what I'm looking for is not specific. It's kind of a fill in the blank.
When you play the game, for most people, not every thought you had in your head made it onto the page. There's always stuff going on in your mind as you play, that you don't say. I'm looking for your unstated thoughts, that you can remember having.
@lngrrr what was your read on latin before?
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Not a whole lot, in terms of activity. Which is totally a fair point, and wouldn't fault anyone for thinking it scummy. Your read of me has gone south as a result, as others have as well
Then why hide it?
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Yeah but.. you made it out to be a big deal. You could say that without claiming. Like. I claimed a goat. NAI.
But instead you are hiding it as if it effects the game...
I'm thinking he's scum tho
SO, I propose the mafia don't shoot anyone, the town doesn't lynch anyone, and we all go home and drink some tea or something like that.
@Eco I would like to be replaced please.
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AskThePizzaGuy has replaced Study Latin.
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I am on Norway time and it is 1 AM, on a school day. I'll need time to read the current round and dig back into previous rounds. I'm glad to see that the previous occupant of this slot was active and should have been readable, that informs my strategy which is to shift focus to my own reads instead of improving the readability of the slot by "being townie."
Hang tight, and I'll try to actually be useful in terms of the solve, not just avoiding being mislynch bait.
It should be noted I am typically an enormously active + very interactive player who prefers talking in real time, so if you're online when I am online, stick around for responses please. If you're in my town that is a big help to me.
My usual time will be in about 12+ hours from now each day, within a range of 10 hours after that or so.
Logging off for now.
Based on what you know of the setup, @ everyone, how many scums should I be looking for would you estimate? It impacts my reads because smaller teams behave differently as they have to be slightly more conservative.
Wait wat? You know how to do voter analysis and know enough about how to read smaller teams vs larger..
But you can't estimate how many scum are in a 16 person game?
Asking about how many scum you should expect distances you from being scum because "hey I don't know how many scum there are.. "
I'd put the team at 5 due to the roles that have flipped. 4 also likely. 3 even with good scum powers seems wrong.
Bolding mine. Imo Cantrip (EternalLurker) should not have been a null read at this point in the game. There was enough to read for motive to push them up or down the list.
I don't believe a lack of process went into this, so I need more data. Can you explain your thought process on EL/Cantripmancer-slot by this stage of the game please, @Kabazme?
I'm a replacement slot and no one is around, including rodemy, so I gotta do something game-related. I hope you understand.
I'll want to dig into the vote record more, but just assembling it at all took hours. I am not entirely sure I got every vote change either.
The early game squabbles and the early game vote tally with the crazy wagons you need to do a lynch at all due to no plurality lynch have me at a point where I am not sure the vote record from that day will yield much in terms of partner pair snalysis. Still with only 2 unproductive days and not lots of mislynches left it's something I'll have to pick at anyway.
I needed to get this done in one sitting so I could come at the actual analysis part fresh, so I was not really paying attention to the words as they scrolled by, just vote change hunting.
I did note the cop claim and the peek result, found it shortly after the above question.
Based on that, my earth-shattering hot takes are that Toast is likely to be town, and that we should at least not lynch Kabaz. I'm not as persuaded by the claim as I probably should be given how the thread has unfolded since that claim, but I didn't do any actual analysis or iso of the slot, all I noticed was the biggest talker in the game was getting a null read from them since it was at the top of the page and that person had just replaced out. When they claimed cop to dodge a lynch it looked really bad, especially when the doc died that same night. But I know coincidences are a thing and wouldn't bet the game on those bad vibes.
I'll push my limited suspicions aside for now. Assuming they were even scum, they're not the only scum, and a cop claim is a caught scum. So we'll deal with town universe Kabaz until otherwise indicated.
Plus, I'm sure not everyone has my penchant for disliking cop claims or my desire to lynch inside of them when they smell fishy. The diplo situation says not to even bother with that try here.
So I'm town, and Toast is town. Gonna put EL-slot as town just on volume alone, but that's weak and I reserve the right to reverse it on closer inspection.
It looks like I have to try and find out if I agree with my predecessor about KillJoy. That'll be the first person I iso and try to talk to. Or at least that's my loose plan.
Grapefruit21 - 9 (Anaklusmos, Kabazame, EternalLurker, Pa Tennis, Vaimes, Study Latin, Killjoy, Grapefruit21, shadowlancerx)
JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Rhand, Toastboy)
Kabazame - 2 (LnGrrrR, JeY k)
Killjoy - 1 (Rodemy)
Not Voting - 1 (Zionite)
Final Day 2 Votecount
Zionite - 8 (Kabazame, Toastboy, Jey K, Killjoy, Shadowlancerx, Study Latin, Pa Tennis, LnGrrrR)
JeY k - 4 (Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer, Rodemy, Zionite)
Killjoy - 2 (Anaklusmos, Vaimes)
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Vote history
D1
Anak votes JeyK
EL votes Vaimes
Lng votes rodemy
JeyK votes "iso"
I vote Zionite
Kill votes Toast
rhand votes Kill
EL votes Me
Kabazame refuses to random vote
Shadow votes Me
Shadow votes Kabaz
Shadow votes JeyK
rodemy votes "seppel"
Lng votes EL
Toast votes CM
Anak votes Lng
Grape votes Pa
Pa votes Shadow
Kill unvotes
EL votes Pa
Page2
Jeyk votes EL
rodemy unvotes
I voted Killjoy
Shadow votes EL
zion votes rodemy
Page 3
Pa votes Jeyk
EL votes Blues
rodemy votes Pa
Pa votes Grape
EL votes Pa
Toast votes Kabaz
rodemy votes Jeyk
Page 4
rhand votes Pa
I vote rodemy
EL votes Zionite
Pa votes rodemy
rodemy unvotes
EL votes Grape
Tubba votes JeyK
Page 5
Lng votes Kabaz
Grape replaces in for Blues
Zionite votes JeyK
Grape votes Kabaz
Anak votes Grape
Kabaz votes grape
Tubba votes Jeyk
lng votes kabaz
Page 6
rod votes Kill
Pa votes grape
lng votes kabaz
Vaimes votes me
Page 7
Kill votes Pa
Shadow votes Tubba
Page 8
Vaimes votes grape
Page 9
zion unvotes
Jeyk votes Kabaz
grape unvotes
I vote Zionite
grape votes Jeyk
Page 10
Toast votes Jeyk
I vote grape
Shadow votes Zionite
rhand votes Jeyk
Toast votes Jeyk
Kill votes grape
Grape self votes
Shadow votes grape
EOD1 Grape is lynched
rhand is killed
Page 11
Pa votes kill
Toast votes kabaz
Jeyk votes EL
Shadow votes Tubba
Vaimes votes zion
Tubba votes Jeyk
lng votes Jeyk
Pa votes Jeyk
EL votes Jeyk
Page 12
EL votes Pa
Zion votes Pa
Page 13
Kill votes Anak
Zion votes Vaimes
Kabaz votes Zion
Pa votes Kill
I vote Shadow
I vote Kill
EL votes Jeyk
Lng votes EL
EL votes Lng
Anak votes Kill
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EL votes Jeyk
rodemy votes jeyk
EL replaces out, Cantripmancer replaces in.
Jeyk unvotes
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Kabaz** strange post
Jeyk votes Kabazme
Zion votes Kabazme
Kabaz claims town cop with peek town on Toast
Lng votes Jeyk
Toast votes Zion
Jeyk unvotes
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Vaimes votes KJ
Shadow votes KJ
Jeyk votes Zion
Lng votes Zion
Zion votes Jeyk
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Kill votes Zion
Pa votes Jeyk
Lng votes Jeyk
Pa votes Kill
Pa votes Jeyk
Shadow votes Zion
Shadow votes Jeyk
Shadow votes Zion
I vote Zion
Pa votes Zion
Lng votes Zion
EOD 2 Zion is lynched.
Vaimes is killed.
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Jeyk votes Kill
rodemy votes jeyk
Tubba votes Jeyk
Pa votes jeyk
Pa votes Kill
Kabaz votes rodemy
Shadow votes Kill
Lng votes Pa
Pa votes Lng
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Pa votes Jeyk
Anak votes Kill
Jeyk votes Kabaz
Page 20- I replace in on this page somewhere, after "I" voted.
I vote Killjoy
Jeyk votes Kill
Shadow unvotes
KJ votes Anak
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Toast votes Anak
If I missed any votes, that's because they're legit hard to see and for some reason my mouse wheel is scrolling way more in chrome than it does in firefox. Unsure how to change this setting.
The above is "work" but it's useless work and doesn't come close to really resembling content or serious leans on the game. But it's the sketch I need to start from.
Depending on how much time remains in this day I could end up sheeping my town read(s) when I get more, or just Toast. But I can't do that without trying an independent solve, otherwise despite my predecessor's efforts you won't be able to read this slot since you'll forget those posts existed and the leans you got from them. Plus even if Toast is both town and right with his vote this silly game may end up on my shoulders, so I'd better have some real depth of understanding of the game come endgame, or else I've wasted my time and several months of yours.
I'm taking it seriously. I'll do real reading and isoing and see where I'm at in the time allotted, and have depth of reads on every player in the game before end of round. That's the most I can promise, but pizza delivers.
I see Pa's response in alternate tab page refresh, so I'll include my response to that here.
Yeah got that impression by the time there was no serious counter to Kabaz. Plus I didn't see the Inventor flip revealed the things they gave away except through the later discussion of it. 4 makes sense based on that.
It's just such a tantalizing play, the kind you make and it works so well, to get the heat off of you with a cop claim and then bink the townies you think are the powers, when no counterclaim arises. It would have been nice if it were that simple, but I get the feeling this game is more of a worst case scenario with the inactive replacements and the slaughter of the power roles.
Once again it's time for the big boy pants. Gotta solve it with our thinking brains and not the mod holding our hand. I'd feel better about it if I were here from the beginning so I could feel it unfold in real time, but this thread would be twice as long if that happened. You guys would be begging for Eternal to come back.
I gotta hang it up as its 430am and I'm gonna run into the wall of usefulness (uselesness?) now that I've skimmed 22 pages of material for stuff. Best give it a rest or I'm not gonna think clearly on my no sleep at all analysis this afternoon.
Oh, wait, 'weak' is valid. Nevermind!
(welcome aboard)
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I've said I'm leaving a bunch of times already, and there's a foolish part of my townie brain telling me to stay and now talk to you and Tom-in-a-disguise.
Thing is, I will literally burn myself out on a silly replacement slot because I'm that stupid about priorities.
It's not crunch time yet. I'll burn even more midnight oil when it matters. Hope that's ok. I gotta do something not-this for a while before school.
Not sure how much you read before this but EL was like my strongest town read. Cantrip replaced in and did exactly nothing so he went into null. I don't give players a free pass just because they happened to replace into a slot I was town reading, the previous player may have just been doing a good job. So yeah, Cantrip doesn't get a town read from me just because I was reading EL town, and he hadn't do anything to make a read yet at that point
I like your post, it's somewhat inspiring. I just... really want EternalLurker's/Cantrip's replacement to post before I do anything
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5??!!
That means we are lylo right now, and I'm not buying it
With that reply, you are right. I did find scum
Reading now. I don't normally like to play two games at once because I don't like to split my attention. Bear with me.
I probably didn't help the situation, he was getting really mad at me.
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Group question: How often does scum try to avoid group questions? How often to town ignore them?
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Gah, you found me again. You found two scums in the same slot based off of scum slips within a matter of hours.
You're... you're... truly elite!
Hi pizza. Do you have any mechanical reason to believe that KJ is scum?
Difference of style I guess. In my view, if you've got a strong town read off of a slot, their having to sub out doesn't change their alignment.
Cantrip being unable to do anything with the slot because rl or something, I don't think you should drop your read.
Still, it's your read and your decision. The reasoning you're using here makes you a town read outside of your claim for me, because I don't think that particular thought process can be faked easily. It's much simpler and still convincing to keep the slot the same read if you're scum. Your claim makes you die soon so you never have to really answer for it if you just leave the slot as it is, since it doesn't affect the outcome.
If it doesn't affect the outcome and it's a really subtle piece of your thinking, I don't think it's fake. Lies are deliberate, they're not often that subtle.
If you did it while scum then hats off to you for both the wildly successful fake claim plus also faking real town thoughts.
So this isn't the most thorough lean I've given, but I'm still confident on it. I know people may think it's a no brainer due to the claim but I don't assign leans based on claims, but on posts. This post almost always comes from a town mindset and when combined with the leans list, there's no motive to drop him to null if you're planning to fake claim. Your reads simply don't have to change if you anticipated trading yourself off, and certainly not from town to null. Something more decisive like a scum lean, even mild, has a motive.
No. In fact, I have no mechanics. I either die or I don't. Can I claim character?
Your slot isn't lock town, but it's "lock" town.
EL's performance was really good looking even just on a skim. Your slot is basically always town.
I don't know if his reads or his attitude was good, and I don't really care since he's not here, I just think the slot's alignment was discernible. Basically the only alignment I determined while skimming.
I don't get to endgame that much, and with the specific town roles dead or outed, and the setup is gonna have lots of vanilla townies... I know you guys said don't mass claim, but I really have no reason not to claim.
I'm Sven Svensonsonson. My guess is I'm the son of a bunch of guys named Sven. It's just how I choose to play this out.
*going to keep my guard up though.
I need to get you right this time. This is what I need, because I'm making a town circle and you're here.
I know this will take you some time but if we're townies together we essentially need to mason up.
I would like you to please walk me through all your vote changes and suspicions this game, and the folks you marked as town. Can you tell me what you were thinking at the time you made those decisions or conclusions, and how (as much as you care to explain).
Yeah I know I'm asking a lot of you when I make such a request. But it's how I solved someone difficult to read in an endgame once and I'd like to pull off the same feat again.
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Jeyk votes Kill
rodemy votes jeyk
Tubba votes JeykPa votes jeykPa votes Kill
Kabaz votes rodemy
Shadow votes Kill
Lng votes PaPa votes Lng
Page 19
Pa votes Jeyk
Anak votes Kill
Page 20
Jeyk votes Kabaz
I vote KilljoyJeyk votes Kill
Shadow unvotes
KJ votes Anak
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Toast votes Anak
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rodemy votes me.
I did double check this count. It's not organized as a tally, which makes it annoying but i'm lazy.
Ok I still have time to do the things I was gonna do before end of day. Long irl day for me, I don't have the energy levels for digging or deep analysis outside of maybe iosing the low posters. But I'll park my ass in the thread for as long as I can. If people talk to me that's good, if people stop talking to me I'll do the easier isos to get them out of the way.
Yeah I can. Outside of rvs, the serious votes and serious suspicions. Stuff like needing to consolidate to prevent a no lynch I get as an explanation, no need to explain.
And your townies, the ones that were not weak leans. How did you clear them.
I'll get the specific posts I'd like more depth on, what I'm looking for is not specific. It's kind of a fill in the blank.
When you play the game, for most people, not every thought you had in your head made it onto the page. There's always stuff going on in your mind as you play, that you don't say. I'm looking for your unstated thoughts, that you can remember having.
I'll go gather quotes, bb soon.
Anaklusmos - 2 (Killjoy, Toastboy)
AskThePizzaGuy - 1 (Rodemy)
JeY k - 2 (Tubba Fett, Pa Tennis)
Killjoy - 2 (Anaklusmos, JeY k)
Pa Tennis - 1 (LnGrrrR)
Rodemy - 1 (Kabazame)
Not Voting - 3 (shadowlancerx, AskThePizzaGuy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
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