@Killjoy, ok. Disagree but.. *shrug* Could be because this game is lurky as heck. Cantrip hasn't really said anything since the replace-in, and I think it's because now that more people are reading JeyK as town, he may be trying to wait for suspicion to come up on another townie and slip in the conversation. Rodemy is another one that has shown up, thrown out like 2 posts, not responded to anyone else, and then gone back to lurking for days at a time. It's already been nearly a week and we have like 60 posts to show for it.
OOG: I'm back. My desktop PC is my pride and joy and by buying a new SSD to expand my data storage for games, it created two sleepless nights in a row trying to fix my computer after several issues raised from plugging it in, including Windows failing to boot. I originally wanted a break for two days, one to fix and one to relax and play video games once it was fixed but I got off from work early today so I decided not to spend any more time away.
War's over though, everything works including the new drive.
Let's play.
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@Killjoy I'm not pushing his lynch though - you said specifically I'm trying to get him lynched and I merely brought up a thought I had. Nobody else thinks what I said was suspicious, so I can safely dismiss that thought. It didn't start a discussion so I'm letting it go because it really wasn't something that pinged me "OMG KABAZAME IS UNDOUBTEDLY SCUM". If you're really going to argue this with me I'll let you borrow my shovel.
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Turns out there's been... nearly nothing in two days. I really want Cantrip to post. I think it's really important for this game given EternalLurker's impact. If you're lurking on purpose I'll make sure you never get away with it in a game ever again, assuming I play more.
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I think I need to do what Toastboy is doing in order to try and re-align my thinking because the longer this drags out the less confident i get in any reads. Toastboy, if I give you a second set of eyes, was there anything high-level you remember sticking out that could use a little more in-depth care that you might not have posted already?
Also for the record my main case on Kabazame was 'he looks like someone trying to create a mislynch' but if he legitimately believes he's pushing scum (which I didn't buy at the time) then that point falls off. If he's actually a 1-shot cop, then my main case is completely void and nothing else I have can conceivably prove he's scum. Because of my initial reading it was difficult to buy his claim, but if majority of people disagree I'm willing to be wrong about this one.
EternalLurker was a way different story. There's nothing else I can add there.
@Ln: I need to look at your ISO and see wht made me think that. I will let you know when that happens.
@Jey: Semantics. My point was that you were throwing shade at the claimed cop when only Rodemy was also. No one else.
While we're here though, can you go through your posts that have opinions on me and chronical any major changes? I'm pretty sure that before today, you weren't scumreading me in the slightest.
@Shadow: Anak, but I'm waiting for him to get back and talk to me. Jey's an option too.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
What's the point right now? I vote Anak, he continues to not be here... meh?
My vote isn't doing anything right now, sure. But it's also not necessary.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hmmm. Looking at Anak again, I think his evolution on Lngrrr and Jey is suspect.
He had a pretty aggressive read on lngrrr early on and then just... never mentions him again until townreading him. Jey he never mentions at all except he doesn't want to lynch her because wagon but is scumreading her for the vaguest of reasons.
It sort of just reminds me I really need a scum flip since I seem to have more associative reads than distinct indvidual scumminess. But I could see Anak fitting on some teams pretty well.
@Pa: is Anak good at faking tone? He sounds townier to me this game then I think I ever remember him being.
Also why is Tubba so townie to you? I read through both him and KJ earlier, and while I think KJ is the better lynch from a gamesolve standpoint, I really think Tubba has been scummier.
@Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?
Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.
It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.
What I'm guessing happened is they have a roleblocker and decided to just RB me and try to kill someone else. Like I'd be surprised if Vaimes didn't save me last night, and since I was an obvious Doctor target the right play is to RB me and just try to hit the doctor, as long as the roleblocker is alive. I was really close to just claiming roleblocked to keep them wasting it on me but decided against it
can you go through your posts that have opinions on me and chronical any major changes? I'm pretty sure that before today, you weren't scumreading me in the slightest.
Pretty sure I don't have to touch my posts to know how it went. I was neutral on with you pretty much no read for most of the game. I didn't have reads on a few players. Once I started paying attention to you, I did have a read. It wasn't that great, but then Zionite flipped town.
What's the point right now? I vote Anak, he continues to not be here... meh?
My vote isn't doing anything right now, sure. But it's also not necessary.
This is entirely not true. Voting is the pretty much the only mechanical thing you can actually do in this game; there's no reason to hold back.
What I'm guessing happened is they have a roleblocker and decided to just RB me and try to kill someone else. Like I'd be surprised if Vaimes didn't save me last night, and since I was an obvious Doctor target the right play is to RB me and just try to hit the doctor, as long as the roleblocker is alive. I was really close to just claiming roleblocked to keep them wasting it on me but decided against it
Cantrip hasnt said anything since toDay I believe. Latin has posted but only a PTAP. These lurkers are killing my interest in this game.
@JeY,reread what Kaba said. He said the right play is to try and hit the doctor. He didnt say he knew who the doctor was. And Vaimes was pretty widely townread.
@Rodemy That's happened more than once where people say anal instead of Anak, and yet it's funny every time.
Also if you were neutral on massclaiming, why did you then immediately claim? I didn't say your pushing of a mislynch was on the right track to work, but that doesn't mean you couldn't try it.
@TB I don't feel it's a stretch to say you were pushing for a massclaim, sort of splitting hairs there to refer to it as pushing for discussion. And it's a totally valid reason to start suspecting you, when the potential gain is so little in a game built like this.
My case on KJ is his case on me being artificial and inconsistent, and the timing with which he made it to try and get a mislynch to occur. He called my vote on GF the worst of the wagon, when simultaneously calling Kabas barn of it town, and did so to try and get me lynched instead.
@KJ and Pa will get your answers soon, phone only for a couple days
@shadow Anak's tone is mostly meaningless imo. His posts are very... crafted. As either alignment. I do still think he seems townie, but there's some cause for concern/associatives.
Tubba I probably need a hard reset. I thought he was sort of learning to scumhunt in an organic seeming way but I think I already said I expected more progress by now. But at the same time his most notable read is still unflipped and we haven't had a scumflip for him to sink his teeth into, so I'm not sure why he'd think to reevaluate. So his reads seem a little stagnant but that's reasonable.
Pa's posting today feels less town, not sure why. He definitely being more engaged and clearer so he's coming across as more confident. That might be it. Not much, just a note.
That's weird, because I feel less engaged. Like the vote tracking thing was just me feeling like I had to do something new and then I just came to the same conclusions I did when it was happening live.
Hmmm. Looking at Anak again, I think his evolution on Lngrrr and Jey is suspect.
He had a pretty aggressive read on lngrrr early on and then just... never mentions him again until townreading him. Jey he never mentions at all except he doesn't want to lynch her because wagon but is scumreading her for the vaguest of reasons.
It sort of just reminds me I really need a scum flip since I seem to have more associative reads than distinct indvidual scumminess. But I could see Anak fitting on some teams pretty well.
Pretty sure I don't have to touch my posts to know how it went. I was neutral on with you pretty much no read for most of the game. I didn't have reads on a few players. Once I started paying attention to you, I did have a read. It wasn't that great, but then Zionite flipped town.
Ok I'll look into that soon. See if that's true.
This is entirely not true. Voting is the pretty much the only mechanical thing you can actually do in this game; there's no reason to hold back.
That's... one train of thought I suppose. I mean, not everyone votes the same.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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How did anyone know Vaimes was the doc?
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I specifically used "kill someone else" and "try to hit the doctor", which I thought would convey what I was trying to say but maybe not. Basically, I was saying they can just keep roleblocking me and shooting until they hit the doctor, they just got luck and hit him on the first try. I wasn't saying they knew Vaimes was doctor
It's also possible the have a role scanner and used it on Vaimes N1, but who knows.
Pa's posting today feels less town, not sure why. He definitely being more engaged and clearer so he's coming across as more confident. That might be it. Not much, just a note.
That's weird, because I feel less engaged. Like the vote tracking thing was just me feeling like I had to do something new and then I just came to the same conclusions I did when it was happening live.
I really need a scumflip.
Pretty much me. I feel like there's nothing I can do until someone from scum team dies. If you're pushing me though, you're gonna be really unhappy with the result unless you are on said scum team.
Hmmm. Looking at Anak again, I think his evolution on Lngrrr and Jey is suspect.
He had a pretty aggressive read on lngrrr early on and then just... never mentions him again until townreading him. Jey he never mentions at all except he doesn't want to lynch her because wagon but is scumreading her for the vaguest of reasons.
It sort of just reminds me I really need a scum flip since I seem to have more associative reads than distinct indvidual scumminess. But I could see Anak fitting on some teams pretty well.
Pretty sure I don't have to touch my posts to know how it went. I was neutral on with you pretty much no read for most of the game. I didn't have reads on a few players. Once I started paying attention to you, I did have a read. It wasn't that great, but then Zionite flipped town.
Ok I'll look into that soon. See if that's true.
This is entirely not true. Voting is the pretty much the only mechanical thing you can actually do in this game; there's no reason to hold back.
That's... one train of thought I suppose. I mean, not everyone votes the same.
Or you could explain why now. I'm not scum, so this can't be a cop result. Also you would have cc'd Kaba immediately. So explain.
This is not a town reaction. You don't need an explanation if you are town, you just need to vote him as he is obviously lying. What you are doing here is sitting back and waiting to see how others react, which is super scummy.
@Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?
Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.
It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.
What I'm guessing happened is they have a roleblocker and decided to just RB me and try to kill someone else. Like I'd be surprised if Vaimes didn't save me last night, and since I was an obvious Doctor target the right play is to RB me and just try to hit the doctor, as long as the roleblocker is alive. I was really close to just claiming roleblocked to keep them wasting it on me but decided against it
Wait.. what?
few things wrong with this.
A: How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...
B: Your assumption that they have a roleblocker is very.. confident.
With this line of reasoning, you should never have claimed that you had one shot so they WOULD keep wasting it on you (assuming they even have an RB)
I almost wanted to follow you.. until you called me scum. Sigh.
List is as follows as of now:
Town:
Rodemy: a Goat. Ate everyones shoes N1 actually.
Cantrip/EL: That explosion and anger was legit i believe.
PA: He wants to figure out the game. I like it.
Scum
Study Latin: Throwing out scum accusations, saying he will explain.. and then not explaining. Saying he has no time to explain.. after he said he will explain. Rushing to lynch. This is scum as scum can be.
kaba: Read above
Jey: Just.. scummy.
LnGrr: Scum because Jey is scum. Post 958 for example. And all of EoD yesterday. His lack of attack on the person he was trying to get lynched yesterday.. a complete 180 actually because he is no longer a scumspect to him..
Feels like he was bussing end of day andthen "Hey zionite lynch lets do this" (although he said he was done jumping around}
Also, asking for a reads list to see where my head is at? You've been asking me questions a lot recently. i have answered them. yet you still don't know? I posted who i thought was scum before i believe.
Anyway, lynch jey, then GrrR and lets see about the other two later.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?
Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.
It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.
What I'm guessing happened is they have a roleblocker and decided to just RB me and try to kill someone else. Like I'd be surprised if Vaimes didn't save me last night, and since I was an obvious Doctor target the right play is to RB me and just try to hit the doctor, as long as the roleblocker is alive. I was really close to just claiming roleblocked to keep them wasting it on me but decided against it
Wait.. what?
few things wrong with this.
A: How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...
B: Your assumption that they have a roleblocker is very.. confident.
With this line of reasoning, you should never have claimed that you had one shot so they WOULD keep wasting it on you (assuming they even have an RB)
This is exactly what's been bugging me. Kaba is either lying or at best not telling the whole truth here. The people who keep saying not to worry about it, should start to consider worrying about it!
Hey Latin, the "just lynch it and talk later" excuse isn't going to fly with me. I'm down to lynch KJ, but you're going to fill us in on what you said you'd explain.
Okay maybe I'm not crazy that something felt off about Kabazame.
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I don't think there should be a lynch period until Cantripmancer contributes substantially.
@Mod What's the deadline for Cantrip to get in gear? It's going to be pretty awful for the game state if this slot doesn't have a contributing member before toDay's lynch deadline is up :\
@JeY
Why is cantrips input so relevant? You've been very clear how you feel about that slot. With the very limited reasoning you've provided for that read, what are you hoping to get from cantrip that could change your mind/gut? @Study
I'm going to have to sheep Shadow here. (Is that the correct vernacular?) Your complete lack of presence the last few days (to the point of prodding), can't just be mitigated by two concrete reads with absolutely nothing in the way of reasoning. I'm willing to listen, but you need to give more than that. In light of kaba's dubious (imo) claim, statements like yours need to be backed up with some substance.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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War's over though, everything works including the new drive.
Let's play.
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@Killjoy I'm not pushing his lynch though - you said specifically I'm trying to get him lynched and I merely brought up a thought I had. Nobody else thinks what I said was suspicious, so I can safely dismiss that thought. It didn't start a discussion so I'm letting it go because it really wasn't something that pinged me "OMG KABAZAME IS UNDOUBTEDLY SCUM". If you're really going to argue this with me I'll let you borrow my shovel.
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Turns out there's been... nearly nothing in two days. I really want Cantrip to post. I think it's really important for this game given EternalLurker's impact. If you're lurking on purpose I'll make sure you never get away with it in a game ever again, assuming I play more.
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I think I need to do what Toastboy is doing in order to try and re-align my thinking because the longer this drags out the less confident i get in any reads. Toastboy, if I give you a second set of eyes, was there anything high-level you remember sticking out that could use a little more in-depth care that you might not have posted already?
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EternalLurker was a way different story. There's nothing else I can add there.
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Claimed cop is apparently a thing. I GUESS kaba is cleared for a bit. unless his clear is scum...
So that leaves.. jey. Jey. ♡♡♡. Die plz. K. Thnx. Love, goat.
I really gotta find motivation to read this better. Ugggh.
Okay. Tomorrow I am off. Expect a stupid read with rodemy grade reads.
BRB. LAUGHING FOREVER.
Anything on Rodemy from before... last page?
because Pa Tennis mentioned it, and I was surprised. That's all!
Also where has SL been? He's been kind of lurky Day 2 and 3 after a strong Day 1. Seems too content ad it's worrisome
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VoteCount 3.1
JeY k - 3 (Rodemy, Tubba Fett, Pa Tennis)
Killjoy - 3 (JeY k, shadowlancerx, Anaklusmos)
Pa Tennis - 1 (LnGrrrR)
Rodemy - 1 (Kabazame)
Not Voting - 4 (Killjoy, Study Latin, Toastboy, Cantripmancer)
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to Lynch
Deadline is in about a week
Study Latin and Cantripmancer are being prodded for not having provided content in three days.
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Tubba I really expected to be trending upward by now though.
@Jey: Semantics. My point was that you were throwing shade at the claimed cop when only Rodemy was also. No one else.
While we're here though, can you go through your posts that have opinions on me and chronical any major changes? I'm pretty sure that before today, you weren't scumreading me in the slightest.
@Shadow: Anak, but I'm waiting for him to get back and talk to me. Jey's an option too.
You are a *****ty town player because you are scum >:]
My vote isn't doing anything right now, sure. But it's also not necessary.
@Rodemy, can you give us a T/S list? I'd like to know where your head is.
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He had a pretty aggressive read on lngrrr early on and then just... never mentions him again until townreading him. Jey he never mentions at all except he doesn't want to lynch her because wagon but is scumreading her for the vaguest of reasons.
It sort of just reminds me I really need a scum flip since I seem to have more associative reads than distinct indvidual scumminess. But I could see Anak fitting on some teams pretty well.
Anak/Killjoy probably never scum together.
Shadow-Latin-Cantrip-Tubba
Rodemy-Anak
Killjoy
SCUM - Jey-Lngrr
Also why is Tubba so townie to you? I read through both him and KJ earlier, and while I think KJ is the better lynch from a gamesolve standpoint, I really think Tubba has been scummier.
What I'm guessing happened is they have a roleblocker and decided to just RB me and try to kill someone else. Like I'd be surprised if Vaimes didn't save me last night, and since I was an obvious Doctor target the right play is to RB me and just try to hit the doctor, as long as the roleblocker is alive. I was really close to just claiming roleblocked to keep them wasting it on me but decided against it
Pretty sure I don't have to touch my posts to know how it went. I was neutral on with you pretty much no read for most of the game. I didn't have reads on a few players. Once I started paying attention to you, I did have a read. It wasn't that great, but then Zionite flipped town.
This is entirely not true. Voting is the pretty much the only mechanical thing you can actually do in this game; there's no reason to hold back.
Vote Kabazame
How did anyone know Vaimes was the doc?
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@JeY,reread what Kaba said. He said the right play is to try and hit the doctor. He didnt say he knew who the doctor was. And Vaimes was pretty widely townread.
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Study Latin has a short grace window to post content before being poked savagely.
Cantripmancer Has been offline for 3 days, and is being investigated.
Also if you were neutral on massclaiming, why did you then immediately claim? I didn't say your pushing of a mislynch was on the right track to work, but that doesn't mean you couldn't try it.
@TB I don't feel it's a stretch to say you were pushing for a massclaim, sort of splitting hairs there to refer to it as pushing for discussion. And it's a totally valid reason to start suspecting you, when the potential gain is so little in a game built like this.
My case on KJ is his case on me being artificial and inconsistent, and the timing with which he made it to try and get a mislynch to occur. He called my vote on GF the worst of the wagon, when simultaneously calling Kabas barn of it town, and did so to try and get me lynched instead.
@KJ and Pa will get your answers soon, phone only for a couple days
And Killjoy is scum.
I will explain why soon.
Vote: Killjoy
Rodemy might be scum too.
Tubba I probably need a hard reset. I thought he was sort of learning to scumhunt in an organic seeming way but I think I already said I expected more progress by now. But at the same time his most notable read is still unflipped and we haven't had a scumflip for him to sink his teeth into, so I'm not sure why he'd think to reevaluate. So his reads seem a little stagnant but that's reasonable.
That's weird, because I feel less engaged. Like the vote tracking thing was just me feeling like I had to do something new and then I just came to the same conclusions I did when it was happening live.
I really need a scumflip.
Ok I'll look into that soon. See if that's true.
That's... one train of thought I suppose. I mean, not everyone votes the same.
I agree with Toast that Kaba has a point.
Or you could explain why now. I'm not scum, so this can't be a cop result. Also you would have cc'd Kaba immediately. So explain.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I specifically used "kill someone else" and "try to hit the doctor", which I thought would convey what I was trying to say but maybe not. Basically, I was saying they can just keep roleblocking me and shooting until they hit the doctor, they just got luck and hit him on the first try. I wasn't saying they knew Vaimes was doctor
It's also possible the have a role scanner and used it on Vaimes N1, but who knows.
Definitely missed the word 'try'.
Pretty much me. I feel like there's nothing I can do until someone from scum team dies. If you're pushing me though, you're gonna be really unhappy with the result unless you are on said scum team.
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This is not a town reaction. You don't need an explanation if you are town, you just need to vote him as he is obviously lying. What you are doing here is sitting back and waiting to see how others react, which is super scummy.
More votes on KJ please.
I really don't have time to explain my reads, but he's scum, and everything will make a lot more sense if he flips.
I'd still vote him, but yeah. What if he's right on anak?
Prefer jey/lngrrr.
Wait.. what?
few things wrong with this.
A: How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...
B: Your assumption that they have a roleblocker is very.. confident.
With this line of reasoning, you should never have claimed that you had one shot so they WOULD keep wasting it on you (assuming they even have an RB)
I almost wanted to follow you.. until you called me scum. Sigh.
List is as follows as of now:
Town:
Rodemy: a Goat. Ate everyones shoes N1 actually.
Cantrip/EL: That explosion and anger was legit i believe.
PA: He wants to figure out the game. I like it.
Scum
Study Latin: Throwing out scum accusations, saying he will explain.. and then not explaining. Saying he has no time to explain.. after he said he will explain. Rushing to lynch. This is scum as scum can be.
kaba: Read above
Jey: Just.. scummy.
LnGrr: Scum because Jey is scum. Post 958 for example. And all of EoD yesterday. His lack of attack on the person he was trying to get lynched yesterday.. a complete 180 actually because he is no longer a scumspect to him..
Feels like he was bussing end of day andthen "Hey zionite lynch lets do this" (although he said he was done jumping around}
Also, asking for a reads list to see where my head is at? You've been asking me questions a lot recently. i have answered them. yet you still don't know? I posted who i thought was scum before i believe.
Anyway, lynch jey, then GrrR and lets see about the other two later.
Pa might be town. flipping on me when people are so close to lynching me makes no sense.
This is exactly what's been bugging me. Kaba is either lying or at best not telling the whole truth here. The people who keep saying not to worry about it, should start to consider worrying about it!
Unvote
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I don't think there should be a lynch period until Cantripmancer contributes substantially.
@Mod What's the deadline for Cantrip to get in gear? It's going to be pretty awful for the game state if this slot doesn't have a contributing member before toDay's lynch deadline is up :\
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Why is cantrips input so relevant? You've been very clear how you feel about that slot. With the very limited reasoning you've provided for that read, what are you hoping to get from cantrip that could change your mind/gut?
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I'm going to have to sheep Shadow here. (Is that the correct vernacular?) Your complete lack of presence the last few days (to the point of prodding), can't just be mitigated by two concrete reads with absolutely nothing in the way of reasoning. I'm willing to listen, but you need to give more than that. In light of kaba's dubious (imo) claim, statements like yours need to be backed up with some substance.