Can a more experienced player please explain to me why megs was night killed? I'm very confused.
I second that motion.
I'm equally confused, and somewhat annoyed because he shouldn't have been killed.
So we are now at 5 town and 3 scum, and it would behoove us to no lynch here as that will narrow our PoE and then tomorrow we will be in LyLo (so be extra mindful and don't vote unless the game as a whole is ready to lynch someone, don't be a hero)
@Shadow But if we no-lynch today, then the next 3 days are LyLo. If we're sure about someone and hit scum today, we have room for error the next 2-3 days. Right?
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@Shadow But if we no-lynch today, then the next 3 days are LyLo. If we're sure about someone and hit scum today, we have room for error the next 2-3 days. Right?
Not quite, we're in MyLo, meaning that if we lynch town ever again, scum kills someone and wins. So regardless, we have to hit 3 scum Lynches in a row to win, which means the least amount of people to choose from, the better.
NK on Megs? That's... an unusual choice, to say the least, especially since I'm pretty sure a good few of us were rethinking the position on him with Osie flipping town.
That being said, I'm not certain that going no lynch is actually the best option - shadow, could you elaborate for me on why you think this is the best option? Keep in mind that scum already has two confirmed town to choose from for their next NK (myself and Ophidia), so if you feel that there's more to be gained from seeing another night kill, I'd want an understanding of how town would benefit from seeing them NK a confirmed town.
As of right now, I'm looking at the following reads:
Confirmed Town
BluesEclipse
Ophidia
Town Lean
Bloodmoon0324
Neutral/Uncertain
shadowlancerx
Vaimes
Mograppler
Scum Lean:
King Torg
JulsSkogs
As always, I'm willing to elaborate on anything here - and I would like to see everyone still in this game provide their T/S list so that we can get a better idea of who to look at moving forward.
@Blues: There are two "confirmed town" only from your perspective. Like I believe you, and I would be surprised if either you or Ophidia was not killed; but by no lynching, we are forcing scum to commit either to trying to spread the tinfoil lies onto you, or kill you, which means that we don't have to assume anymore.
So yeah, I'm thinking we no lynch, and then have a mass claim tomorrow and solve from there.
@shadowlancerx: Thank you for the explanation, I can see the line of thought now - you want to force the scum either to act on already known information (killing me or Ophidia), or if they leave me alive to try and push more suspicion on me. That being said, I think I can agree to that.
Vote: No Lynch
@Ophidia: Would you be willing to share those plans, or do you feel that doing so would work against those plans?
have my bachelor party this weekend, so I'll be V/la. My thoughts on the game state is that we get one more lynch wrong, it's over. I have no reason not to believe that blues and Ophidia are town. If he were not the cop, someone else would have come out to expose him. my 2 suspicions of mafia are torg and juls. I choose to believe blues so blues and ophedia are town. I have a slight town read on bloodmoon as I haven't heard anything that has made her stand out. Shadow I feel is more town than scum, but not enough to give a full town lean to me. If we lynch today, it gives us more time to figure out the 3rd mafia member.
Wow I completely forgot about vaimes. I have no read on him because I forgot he was playing. I'll have to go back and read what he said.
Well, blues and ophidia are town. I for one believe him as far as what he told us.
I'm still firm that Torg is scum. Pretty sure that juls is as well from my re-read that I did. The not being active and lurking feels off.
I can't tell on shadow or Vaimes. It's quite possible that one of them is likely to be scum. But I feel like they can't both be scum.
I'm neutral on mog. I'm seeing a mix of town and scum from him, but as others have pointed out I'm not sure if it's just new town or if it's really scum.
I'll do my no lynch vote when I'm not on my phone. It doesn't like to bold stuff as I've learned from previewing my posts.
Mog, can you post a T/S list? And maybe shoot a question at your top two scum reads?Oph, why do you have different lynch choices based on lynching vs no lynching?
have my bachelor party this weekend, so I'll be V/la. My thoughts on the game state is that we get one more lynch wrong, it's over. I have no reason not to believe that blues and Ophidia are town. If he were not the cop, someone else would have come out to expose him. my 2 suspicions of mafia are torg and juls. I choose to believe blues so blues and ophedia are town. I have a slight town read on bloodmoon as I haven't heard anything that has made her stand out. Shadow I feel is more town than scum, but not enough to give a full town lean to me. If we lynch today, it gives us more time to figure out the 3rd mafia member.
Wow I completely forgot about vaimes. I have no read on him because I forgot he was playing. I'll have to go back and read what he said.
The plans are different more or less according to the people who get night killed tonight. So I do agree that we should end today and lynch someone tomorrow with a plan.
I probably shouldn't, but I'm every so slightly getting a town ping for Mog's vote there.
And the lurking in general makes me kind of think that only town are talking. I'm not really sure though, because no one seems to be trying to solve the game (yes, I realize I'm guilty of this too, I'm working on it)
At this point, I don't think I can do any more to try and solve the game unless we get more people talking. That being said, I'm open to further suggestions for how we can proceed.
Vote: No Lynch.
I don't know if this is a hammer or not, but there's absolutely 0 activity right now, so we might as well just see the night kill, then work from there.
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So, Shadow's dead... and we're officially at LyLo. My gut is telling me to vote up either Torg or Mog at this point, but my gut hasn't exactly been entirely reliable this game. Ophidia, you said you had something in mind for lynch v. no lynch. Care to elaborate?
(I'm not rereading the whole game, just since my initial replace-in/catchup post.)
Also I'm sorry for disappearing. I had a very hard time getting into this game when there was like, one post every three days, and let myself forget about it. Hopefully I'll make up for it by nailing the scumteam, but honestly I hate LyLo and am not all that confident in being able to nab the entire scumteam. But given half the game is dead and flipped town, this is about as easy mode as it's gonna get, provided the vote history is set in our favor.
Anyways.
Confirmed town:
DV
Rhand
osie
Meg
shadow
Livelist:
Vaimes
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Juls
KingTorg
Ophidia
Mog
Blues
Bloodmoon
Half of this list is mafia, which sucks, but is also good because it means better chances of getting a hit.
Oh wow I just now read the Cop claim, but neither the Cop nor their check died. Ew. Pretty sure I had a townread on BluesEclipse before they claimed, but ???
We need literally all of the people with a town role PM to actually get a lynch. If the entire mafia team lurks or abstains, they could potentially force a No Lynch, which means they win.
Please please please let's at least try and win for town.
There's two ~confirmed town~ floating around, but the scumteam hasn't touched either of them. There's only one flipped PR, which means if BluesEclipse is telling the truth, then there should be one more town PR, I think.
Time to massclaim. I'm vanilla.
If there's another PR, dump your checks too, if you have any.
I...don't think I'm going to entertain worlds where BluesEclipse is lying.
She was the first and only player to claim a PR, which is the biggest risk someone could take. And she claimed to save Ophidia, so there's no way Ophidia would be town if she's mafia. And given that this is a basic, I'm going to assume there's no Godfather (lol Three Little Pigs).
Townfirms + me are violet. Cop + inno check are blue.
LOL, the ENTIRE mafia team voted for DV. That's cute.
I'm gonna have to do some work + rereading to actually build teams, but I'd just YOLO lynch Juls for being a dark spot in between a bunch of townies on a wagon + voting off in nowhereland. It's less likely that the entire scumteam latched on at the very end of the DV wagon.
Actually, I changed my mind. Juls kinda feels like lost newbtown. Does scum!Jules post "I don't know what to do in this game" despite having a mentor AND access to scumbuddies? Kinda thin, but yeah.
My hero team is Bloodmoon/KingTorg/Mog. Maybe the scumteam did tag onto the end of a wagon after all?
I think Bloodmoon should be lynched toDay. She does a lot of bandwagoning, no original pushes of her own, and the "I'm still firm that Torg is scum" read comes mostly out of nowhere and feels off given the wording implies she had the read for a while, but. She didn't.
buddies buddies buddies
Hm.
how long am I gonna have to wait for someone else to get in here
Since we're at LyLo, it's probably the right time for me to roleclaim.
I am Sharuum the Hegemon, Town Baker
N1, I gave Bloodmoon a homunculus, cause I thought she was town.
N2, I gave Meddigio a homunculus, cause I thought he was town and assumed he wouldn't get killed. (Spoiler Alert: he died)
N3, I gave BluesEclipes a homunculus, cause he did the roleclaim thing, so death or no death is a win for me.
I'm not actually sure if this helps at all, but I might as well put it out there, I guess it could offer some insight into Meggido's oddly timed death. If either BloodMoon or Bluesy would like to confirm they got homunculi on those nights to back me up, that would be cool too.
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Since we're at LyLo, it's probably the right time for me to roleclaim.
I am Sharuum the Hegemon, Town Baker
N1, I gave Bloodmoon a homunculus, cause I thought she was town.
N2, I gave Meddigio a homunculus, cause I thought he was town and assumed he wouldn't get killed. (Spoiler Alert: he died)
N3, I gave BluesEclipes a homunculus, cause he did the roleclaim thing, so death or no death is a win for me.
I'm not actually sure if this helps at all, but I might as well put it out there, I guess it could offer some insight into Meggido's oddly timed death. If either BloodMoon or Bluesy would like to confirm they got homunculi on those nights to back me up, that would be cool too.
Yeah so I'm actually gonna need you to paraphrase your character's flavor, as well as what your ability actually does. You just give people homunuculi, and that's it?
I think this means the scumteam is made up of Tracker/Roleblocker/Goon, and town has Cop/Doc/Visitor, with the Visitor thrown in to throw off the Roleblocker/Tracker.
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So we are now at 5 town and 3 scum, and it would behoove us to no lynch here as that will narrow our PoE and then tomorrow we will be in LyLo (so be extra mindful and don't vote unless the game as a whole is ready to lynch someone, don't be a hero)
Vote No lynch
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
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That being said, I'm not certain that going no lynch is actually the best option - shadow, could you elaborate for me on why you think this is the best option? Keep in mind that scum already has two confirmed town to choose from for their next NK (myself and Ophidia), so if you feel that there's more to be gained from seeing another night kill, I'd want an understanding of how town would benefit from seeing them NK a confirmed town.
As of right now, I'm looking at the following reads:
Confirmed Town
BluesEclipse
Ophidia
Town Lean
Bloodmoon0324
Neutral/Uncertain
shadowlancerx
Vaimes
Mograppler
Scum Lean:
King Torg
JulsSkogs
As always, I'm willing to elaborate on anything here - and I would like to see everyone still in this game provide their T/S list so that we can get a better idea of who to look at moving forward.
So yeah, I'm thinking we no lynch, and then have a mass claim tomorrow and solve from there.
Vote: No Lynch
@Ophidia: Would you be willing to share those plans, or do you feel that doing so would work against those plans?
Anything to add, or ask? What's on your mind?
Wow I completely forgot about vaimes. I have no read on him because I forgot he was playing. I'll have to go back and read what he said.
I'm still firm that Torg is scum. Pretty sure that juls is as well from my re-read that I did. The not being active and lurking feels off.
I can't tell on shadow or Vaimes. It's quite possible that one of them is likely to be scum. But I feel like they can't both be scum.
I'm neutral on mog. I'm seeing a mix of town and scum from him, but as others have pointed out I'm not sure if it's just new town or if it's really scum.
I'll do my no lynch vote when I'm not on my phone. It doesn't like to bold stuff as I've learned from previewing my posts.
KT is scum, for obvious reasons.
BloodMoon is town, and if she isn't, she deserves to win.
Blues and Shadow are probably town, but I;m more sure about the ladder than the former.
Juls is probably scum.
Which leaves the last 3. My guess is that Mogg and Vaimes are scum, but that's not certain.
Will post more in the morning.
-Barney Stinson
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"Hodor"
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As promised.
I'm fine with No Lynch, gives me time to remember who's even in this game
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Oph, why do you have different lynch choices based on lynching vs no lynching?
And the lurking in general makes me kind of think that only town are talking. I'm not really sure though, because no one seems to be trying to solve the game (yes, I realize I'm guilty of this too, I'm working on it)
Is that what we're doing now? Just looking back at the game and trying to pinpoint scum?
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
-Hodor
I will be V/LA until probably Sunday.
I don't know if this is a hammer or not, but there's absolutely 0 activity right now, so we might as well just see the night kill, then work from there.
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
-Hodor
That all said, the votecount stands at...
No Lynch (5) - shadowlancerx, BluesEclipse, Bloodmoon0324, Mograppler, King Torg
Not Voting (3) - JulsSkogs, Ophidia, Vaimes
Therefore, Day 3 ends in a No Lynch!
Unscythe sits in a corner and cries at the lack of heads.
It is now Night 3. Night actions are due to me by Wednesday, 8/30 at 7PM CST.
He didn't sleep a wink, but it's not because he was sad - in fact he was gleefully beheading someone.
shadowlancerx has died. He was Uril the Miststalker, town Doctor
It is now Day 4. The Day will end Friday, 9/15 at 7PM CST!
With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch!
So, Shadow's dead... and we're officially at LyLo. My gut is telling me to vote up either Torg or Mog at this point, but my gut hasn't exactly been entirely reliable this game. Ophidia, you said you had something in mind for lynch v. no lynch. Care to elaborate?
Good thing the mods relaxed the multiposting rule.
Also I'm sorry for disappearing. I had a very hard time getting into this game when there was like, one post every three days, and let myself forget about it. Hopefully I'll make up for it by nailing the scumteam, but honestly I hate LyLo and am not all that confident in being able to nab the entire scumteam. But given half the game is dead and flipped town, this is about as easy mode as it's gonna get, provided the vote history is set in our favor.
Anyways.
Confirmed town:
DV
Rhand
osie
Meg
shadow
Livelist:
Vaimes
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Juls
KingTorg
Ophidia
Mog
Blues
Bloodmoon
Half of this list is mafia, which sucks, but is also good because it means better chances of getting a hit.
Oh wow I just now read the Cop claim, but neither the Cop nor their check died. Ew. Pretty sure I had a townread on BluesEclipse before they claimed, but ???
Hold on I'm gonna finish tracking votes.
We need literally all of the people with a town role PM to actually get a lynch. If the entire mafia team lurks or abstains, they could potentially force a No Lynch, which means they win.
Please please please let's at least try and win for town.
There's two ~confirmed town~ floating around, but the scumteam hasn't touched either of them. There's only one flipped PR, which means if BluesEclipse is telling the truth, then there should be one more town PR, I think.
Time to massclaim. I'm vanilla.
If there's another PR, dump your checks too, if you have any.
She was the first and only player to claim a PR, which is the biggest risk someone could take. And she claimed to save Ophidia, so there's no way Ophidia would be town if she's mafia. And given that this is a basic, I'm going to assume there's no Godfather (lol Three Little Pigs).
Townfirms + me are violet. Cop + inno check are blue.
EoD1 Lynch:
Vaimes (1): Folzadow (#365)
ELphidia (1): ATmeg (#358)
KingTorg (2): Vaimes (#221), MysticDV (#305)
MysticDV (8): SandRhand (#245), Blues (#246), Juls (#317), ELphidia (#380), Baconosie (#384), Bloodmoon (#408), Mog (#412), KingTorg (#414)
EoD2 Lynch:
Vaimes (1): Juls (#483)
ELphidia (1): Vaimes (#455)
Baconosie (5): Bloodmoon (#510), ATmeg (#554), Folzadow (#558), ELphidia (#583), Blues (#644)
Abstaining (5): Mog, KingTorg, Baconosie
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LOL, the ENTIRE mafia team voted for DV. That's cute.
I'm gonna have to do some work + rereading to actually build teams, but I'd just YOLO lynch Juls for being a dark spot in between a bunch of townies on a wagon + voting off in nowhereland. It's less likely that the entire scumteam latched on at the very end of the DV wagon.
Juls/KingTorg/Bloodmoon scumteam?
My hero team is Bloodmoon/KingTorg/Mog. Maybe the scumteam did tag onto the end of a wagon after all?
I think Bloodmoon should be lynched toDay. She does a lot of bandwagoning, no original pushes of her own, and the "I'm still firm that Torg is scum" read comes mostly out of nowhere and feels off given the wording implies she had the read for a while, but. She didn't.
buddies buddies buddies
Hm.
how long am I gonna have to wait for someone else to get in here
Since we're at LyLo, it's probably the right time for me to roleclaim.
I am Sharuum the Hegemon, Town Baker
N1, I gave Bloodmoon a homunculus, cause I thought she was town.
N2, I gave Meddigio a homunculus, cause I thought he was town and assumed he wouldn't get killed. (Spoiler Alert: he died)
N3, I gave BluesEclipes a homunculus, cause he did the roleclaim thing, so death or no death is a win for me.
I'm not actually sure if this helps at all, but I might as well put it out there, I guess it could offer some insight into Meggido's oddly timed death. If either BloodMoon or Bluesy would like to confirm they got homunculi on those nights to back me up, that would be cool too.
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
-Hodor
I am interested to see other people's claims, though.
I can't say what it does either.
I will get to my claim, but I'm going to wait until others claim first for reasons that will become clear later.
Juls
KingTorg
Ophidia
Mog
Blues
Bloodmoon
If Blues is telling the truth,
Juls
KingTorg
Mog
Bloodmoon
And if KT is telling the truth and his role is town-aligned,
Juls
Mog
Bloodmoon
Then this is the scumteam.
Yup, and homunculi do absolutely nothing. I'll wait for your head to explode at the sheer awesomeness of this.
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Really though, my only strength is confirming that I didn't do nightkills on that night.
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
-Hodor
(https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Visitor)
I think this means the scumteam is made up of Tracker/Roleblocker/Goon, and town has Cop/Doc/Visitor, with the Visitor thrown in to throw off the Roleblocker/Tracker.
I wouldn't hold my breath on Juls posting again, given it's been a month since their last post.