Proph ISO break. Real talk time my read on Shadow has always been expressed as slightly stronger than it is. I'm very aware of his pocketing prowess and was trying to make him think my town read on him was strong so I'd live longer. I do stand by my take that I never lynch him before F3 but once it gets there I'd be considering him completely without bias.
And given that I need to take a serious look at Proph/Shadow/Terry as a possibility. Fortunately Proph's ISO is making that terrifying option seem not real. Proph moves Shadow down his reads list a couple of times based on very little and doesn't try to earn credit for it. Doesn't feel like a natural scum buddy read to me. So I think I'm going to dismiss that nightmare scenario after being terrified of it ever since QH wasn't hammered with Proph and Terry voting for him.
Proph ISO break. Real talk time my read on Shadow has always been expressed as slightly stronger than it is. I'm very aware of his pocketing prowess and was trying to make him think my town read on him was strong so I'd live longer. I do stand by my take that I never lynch him before F3 but once it gets there I'd be considering him completely without bias.
I'm confused.
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@Re, when I replaced in, I didn't have time to read the entire thread, so I only read the last few pages. (I mentioned that in the post.) Then when Terry mentioned reading the whole game, it felt like he was trying to tilt me on purpose, knowing that my slot was being read as scummy. From reading the bit I had, it felt like he had done the same to EternalLurker.
On bad vibes from you, I would have to reread your iso for the last few pages, but one thing that I didn't like was you trying to say that Proph's "Thank you for enlightening me" made him scum.
And since we're on it, how do you go from scumreading Proph for that to townreading him now?
Proph ISO break. Real talk time my read on Shadow has always been expressed as slightly stronger than it is. I'm very aware of his pocketing prowess and was trying to make him think my town read on him was strong so I'd live longer. I do stand by my take that I never lynch him before F3 but once it gets there I'd be considering him completely without bias.
I'm confused.
Confused about what? I have been assuming the scum team has a strongman this whole time if it's my worry about dying.
I have no idea how Shinichi is arriving at his reads. His progression on Grapefruit is nonexistent and I have no idea how he went from "Vaimes and Grapefruit are town" to "Grapefruit I'm still iffy about, always cautious about this slot". I don't think he actually believes his reads.
Plus his backtrack on Vaimes feels like he is trying to keep lynch options open.
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Excuse me for not knowing the exact number of players and there names. Also when did i become connected to WG + Prop. Also i have no such faction night chat lol, mab honestly i wish i could get lynched just to see your face when i flip town. Sadly i rather that not happen though.
This is the post that is kind of making me second guess this read because this is a pretty tonally town post, but I can't ignore the above. It feels like Shinichi is making stuff up along the way.
While this is fakeable this feels like a real read and progression on Shinichi. I can buy town!Proph going through this line of thought very easily.
@Re, my point is that you downgraded Shadow for doing something you yourself were doing (not having a strong read). Whether you downgraded him from town to neutral, or neutral to scum, it's still a downgrade. If you had a different reason for downgrading him, then you should have used that OTHER reason.
And haven't we spent this Day talking about how good Shadow is at pocketing? Just because Shadow is ok with the logic doesn't mean I have to be.
@Re, my point is that you downgraded Shadow for doing something you yourself were doing (not having a strong read). Whether you downgraded him from town to neutral, or neutral to scum, it's still a downgrade. If you had a different reason for downgrading him, then you should have used that OTHER reason.
And haven't we spent this Day talking about how good Shadow is at pocketing? Just because Shadow is ok with the logic doesn't mean I have to be.
It's not the fact that he didn't have a strong read on me. It's that he said I wasn't impressionable. So unless we different ideas on what "impressionable" means, I had a hard time buying that he genuinely believed I didn't leave an impression. The difference between my post and shadow's post is he didn't give any examples, or explain his read with evidence, is what I would say. Whereas I actually explained my thought process, even if you dislike it.
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Proph ISO break. Real talk time my read on Shadow has always been expressed as slightly stronger than it is. I'm very aware of his pocketing prowess and was trying to make him think my town read on him was strong so I'd live longer. I do stand by my take that I never lynch him before F3 but once it gets there I'd be considering him completely without bias.
I'm confused.
Confused about what? I have been assuming the scum team has a strongman this whole time if it's my worry about dying.
Okay, fair enough. Weirded me out for a second.
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@RE, ok, I will just take your word for it that I'm reading that post wrong, as I am tired and my head hurts. Could you answer how you switched from Proph confessing he was scum to town reading him so strongly? How do you see that post now given your current TS list?
I had you as leaning scum based solely on Kpaca's play. I wasn't interacting with you because I thought you were playing reasonably townie at the time and didn't have any opinions that I strongly disagreed with. So I didn't have any reason to. As of right now, I'm pretty sure you vs QH is T/S but I don't have a firm enough grasp on which is which. But in reading it I just don't think that is a t/t fight.
So you had me as leaning scum because of kpaca's play.. but didn't take the thing to re-evaluate your read or challenge it when I replaced in? It feels weird to me that you wouldn't change a read on my slot because I replaced in.
Do you think Quickhoodies and AG could be scum together? They're both so inactive that it's really hard to tell. :x
Also if you're town, Grape, then who do you think is the scum on the Shinichi wagon? It might just be shadow tbh but I really want to check up on his meta. Or maybe JT but I still can't fathom the trap attempt coming from scum.
Let's talk about this post a little bit.
First off his thesis on not changing a read on a new player is not something I agree completely with. Yes you should have an open mind, but you can't ignore the previous player's behavior. And Kpaca's interactions with Shinichi looked bad at the time and look bad in retrospect. So there is always going to be suspicion on this slot regardless of Proph's play.
And then we have the last part. Does that not set off alarm bells for anyone else now that we can see Proph and Terry voting QH together without a hammer having come through?
It goes back to the problem of finding a team that works with those two as scum but it just kind of adds up to me.
So I'm at a dilemma of what's worse hints of an agenda or lack of consistency and real reads. I'm done with my ISO for now just need to go think on this Proph vs QH problem for a bit.
Is it bad that I'm kind of town reading both LnGrrrR and RE for going down this rabbit hole when we're less than 24 hours from the deadline and have a clear dichotomy? Part of me thinks it's a great read and the other part of me is screaming that it's stupid an NAI.
@Re, when I replaced in, I didn't have time to read the entire thread, so I only read the last few pages. (I mentioned that in the post.) Then when Terry mentioned reading the whole game, it felt like he was trying to tilt me on purpose, knowing that my slot was being read as scummy. From reading the bit I had, it felt like he had done the same to EternalLurker.
On bad vibes from you, I would have to reread your iso for the last few pages, but one thing that I didn't like was you trying to say that Proph's "Thank you for enlightening me" made him scum.
And since we're on it, how do you go from scumreading Proph for that to townreading him now?
Shortly put, it was a false epiphany. Kind of an "aha" moment because if I remember correctly, I was struggling to figure out who scum was. To a point where I was kinda townreading everyone... I want to say it was temporary lapse of judgement. And then I liked his defense. And so I decided to go back to my initial read. Plus there's the whole thing where I cannot see a world where town!Proph defends scum!Terry.
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The only thing right now (that I can think of) that bothers me about Proph is how hard he was pushing QH from nearly the beginning of the game. Especially regarding pushing QH to claim. I have weird feeling that he knew QH's role and how significant it'd be for him to claim.
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The only thing right now (that I can think of) that bothers me about Proph is how hard he was pushing QH from nearly the beginning of the game. Especially regarding pushing QH to claim. I have weird feeling that he knew QH's role and how significant it'd be for him to claim.
Can you point to a post trying to get him to claim? I didn't come across that in my decidedly non comprehensive ISO.
The only thing right now (that I can think of) that bothers me about Proph is how hard he was pushing QH from nearly the beginning of the game. Especially regarding pushing QH to claim. I have weird feeling that he knew QH's role and how significant it'd be for him to claim.
Can you point to a post trying to get him to claim? I didn't come across that in my decidedly non comprehensive ISO.
It started the day Shinichi was lynched, or at least the post I'm remembering off the top of my head. Which isn't really the beginning of the game, but... *skims through ISO*
Okay, I think I misremembered how "early" the push was. #1975 is the first post I was able to find, and it wasn't as weird as I remembered. I may actually be misremembering who said it.
(Sorry, I did not mean to shade, just was thinking out loud).
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Grapefruit, can you please at least acknowledge my thoughts on the complete unlikelihood of a Proph/Terry/RE team? I'm feeling very ignored.
Three claimed vanilla is pretty far fetched, even if it wasn't me on that list.
For what it's worth, I think the most likely scenario we are looking at is proph bus qh. I know I'm not scum and the lack of hammer is pretty telling. I've been trying to monitor this thread to see if I needed a quick unvote and nothing has happened.
I don't like reading by tone (I might have it secretly influence my reads, but I don't like it). But at this point, I don't think I have a choice. Because for my scum team to work, you and Terry have to be town. And like I said, I see only these possibilities: scum!Proph/town!Terry, scum!Proph/scum!Terry, or town!Proph/town!Terry.
I'm sorry if I missed it, but can you go into depth as to why you only see those three possibilities? And why have you finally decided that Terry and I have to be town, in order for your scumteam theory to work? Do you have any behavioral reasons to support your townread on me?
I just feel like the way you went "Proph is confirmed scum" Yesterday to you suddenly back tracking into a top townread on me kind of bizarre, even though you've offered some reasoning to support that.
I'll take a look at the RE/LnG fight hopefully tomorrow since I am unable to think clearly right now.
OK I will try to post more tomorrow before the deadline but a couple of notes:
1) Once QH flips scum, let's take a look at his interactions and use the NK as a re-evaluation point. I think that a NK can really clear things up at this stage of the game so getting one once QH flips scum is going to be incredibly helpful combined with the interaction analysis.
2) For the people who are trying to keep "Proph is bussing QH theory" alive, sure, you can go ahead with that as long as you vote QH. Tomorrow I will try my hardest to convince you all that that isn't the case, but it should be pretty obvious.
3) I still think that LnG/QH/shadow is the scum team, and will again try to convince you all Tomorrow that my worldview is correct. If it isn't, then I hope the town out of LnG/shadow can make their alignment obvious at the 11th hour so that I can re-evaluate.
If anyone wants me to take a look at anything or address anything tomorrow let me know, but my eyes are pretty bloodshot atm so I'll take a look at things later.
I like his WIM down at the end and he's had a solid tonally town day today but it's just easier for me to make sense of the game with him as scum and Proph as town. All my gut instincts are saying this is the wrong thing to vote and that QH is scum but my brain is telling me this makes the most sense.
Was that actually a hammer?
I have no idea.
In case it wasn't, I will probably be awake tomorrow to hammer. I want to do it today, but I think I'd rather someone else do it for me...
Cause if I'm wrong, and happen to be the only town on this train, it'll take me years to live it down...
@Proph
I don't really know how to explain my temporary scum read of you as anything but a derp moment. I saw an uncanny similarity between your scum game and this game, and I jumped on it because it was the strongest thing I saw during a time where I was feeling pretty hopeless.
You are defending Terry, correct? Despite disagreeing with nearly everything he's said and done. Maybe you are seeing something I'm not. But I do believe you are town, and with that assumption, it follows that your defense of Terry is not coming from a place of mal intent. Basically, I can't picture town!Proph defending scum!Terry with reasoning I don't really agree with, or more accurately, reasoning that overlooks a lot of scummy things Terry has done.
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Last time Cantrip was on was three days ago so... anyone else authorized to step in? I guess we could be patient... or QH could post his role and we could "manually" kick it to Night.
For the record I PM'd Ecophagy (one of the reviewers of this game) and he agreed to step in and take control of the game while Cantrip is gone, so we should be getting the flip soon.
OK guys, Cantrip is MIA so I'm going to be looking after his game until he gets back. So without further ado:
QuickHoodies has been lynched as of #2927.
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Quickhoodies (4) - Prophylaxis, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Grapefruit, Shadowlancer
Prophylaxis (1) - Quickhoodies
Not Voting (2) - RE1031, LnGrrrR
He was:
Jack Crawford, FBI Director, Mafia Deathsinger
It is now Night 5. It will last about 72 hours, but I can end it faster if everyone gets actions in.
IMPORTANT: I have the setup, but I do not have the role allocation. PLEASE copy me in to your role PM that Cantrip sent you (even if you are Vanilla!) as soon as possible. I won't be able to start Day until everyone has done this.
Last time Cantrip was on was three days ago so... anyone else authorized to step in? I guess we could be patient... or QH could post his role and we could "manually" kick it to Night.
I change my mind, I am more willing to lynch this slot over shadow. These posts are quite frankly coming from someone with insider knowledge.
On another note: my thought process for toNight is this. I plan on targeting RE or Proph. Whoever I target should check Grapefruit, just to make sure. Thoughts?
Interesting... Might want to fess up who you actually gave the shot to.
I think you're scum, so I don't care too much about this read. But I'm going to make you do work, because if you want to go after me, that's the price you gotta pay. IIRC, you're scum reading me for two reasons: my hasty jump on Proph, and a post from several months ago that you agreed to "take my word for it." You also say that Proph is one of your scum reads - do you still think so? If not, who else? And how exactly does that fit into your narrative that I, as scum, suddenly went after Proph?
Is there anything else you want to say about my slot? Preferably something other than a single post on me. Cause right now, I don't know what your case is.
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Oh BS. Ready to vote RE whenever. What about your last "insider knowledge" misrep that backfired so spectacularly when you thought you could jump on Proph? I also love the "quite frankly" qualifier.
And nice fishing, btw.
And I wasn't sure who was scummiest, until I reread QH. Remember? I posted a few thoughts about him? Something you didnt do? Because you were too busy calling Grapefruit scum?
Not to mention you would think GF flipping town would make you reevaluate. But nope, reads completely unchanged. Wonder why.
You know, I posted all those posts yesterDay, and you had plenty of time to respond then if they were so obvscum.
All that, plus you pushed a ton of suspicion on GF, and your votes on the townie wagons sucked. Plus you flip out unnaturally when someone attacks you (see early game with Terry).
Assuming you are scum, I don't know who the last scum is. But I feel confident enough that you are one of them, and I can figure it out toMorrow if I am still alive.
Here's a thought. You put up a case on me, Ms. "Every post is non-townie from this slot". Should be pretty easy right?
Oh BS. Ready to vote RE whenever. What about your last "insider knowledge" misrep that backfired so spectacularly when you thought you could jump on Proph? I also love the "quite frankly" qualifier.
How did it backfire? Also, what are you talking about?
And nice fishing, btw.
Do we have different definitions of fishing? Because fishing to me is when you try to figure out who the PRs are early game so that you can take them out at night... And that actually can't happen now. What does town have to lose by me asking for night action information that should be revealed anyway?
And I wasn't sure who was scummiest, until I reread QH. Remember? I posted a few thoughts about him? Something you didnt do? Because you were too busy calling Grapefruit scum?
Quotes please~ Because for me to busy doing it, I'd have to doing a lot of it, which I don't actually remember.
And I did post about QH. Mostly on his recent posts, because that was when he was under the most pressure, and thus more revealing of his alignment.
Not to mention you would think GF flipping town would make you reevaluate. But nope, reads completely unchanged. Wonder why.
Did you miss my last reads list? You and shadow are on the top, grape was third, I would never have lynched him before you and shadow, and seeing as we are in a constant state of LyLo, that would make him automatically town in my book because I have to do lots of preflip analysis.
You know, I posted all those posts yesterDay, and you had plenty of time to respond then if they were so obvscum.
Because I'd feel dumb doing that if QH actually flipped town.
All that, plus you pushed a ton of suspicion on GF, and your votes on the townie wagons sucked. Plus you flip out unnaturally when someone attacks you (see early game with Terry).
They did suck, because they weren't on you. I just wish I hadn't been distracted by all the drama.
Assuming you are scum, I don't know who the last scum is. But I feel confident enough that you are one of them, and I can figure it out toMorrow if I am still alive.
Then vote me. Please do it. Because then it'll be confirmed (well, to me) that you are scum when 2 additional votes don't suddenly pop out of nowhere on me.
Here's a thought. You put up a case on me, Ms. "Every post is non-townie from this slot". Should be pretty easy right?
Yup. Let's start with AG:
>Did literally nothing useful. Like please, name something, other than being a PR.
>180 flip on WG. Unlike Vaimes though, he had practically no explanation. What he gave was something along the lines of "WG is less engaged as scum, so he is town" to "WG is less engaged now, so he is scum" which is the vaguest read ever, which has a high tendency to come from scum.
>Didn't vote Vaimes when he agreed/explained that Vaimes shouldn't have gotten a result on Rhand since Rhand died, which meant Vaimes lied, and liars tend to be scum. Implies he knew Vaimes was town.
>Lurked into oblivion...
Now you:
>Your case on me. You start off by picking out certain posts and then painting them in the worst light possible, aka, by ignoring context. I mean, you picked 2 of my posts out of the 300+? GG?
>Throwing shade on me for not voting yet not voting yourself (day 5). Like, were you not aware that scum could have hammered and won the game had there been a town vote on a townie? Cause you really sounded that way.
>Blind faith in shadow. Seriously. Now that you've said it yourself - you don't know who the "last" scum is (I should put "know" in quotation marks too...), I hope this blind faith doesn't stick. (Unless somehow shadow is townlock for you, which will send red flags in itself.) As I've said, town cannot afford to think that way. Or at least afford to encourage others to do the same.
>The "stop fishing" posts. Okay. Either this is pure miscommunication (which I doubt) or you are scum throwing shade. Seriously. What is so bad about me asking people to reveal their night actions when every PR's been outed? I'll ask again - what does town have to lose from it? You know, and maybe keep in mind that the thread is my only source of gaining this information?
>Your accusations have been failed to be backed up with actual posts. Busy accusing Grapefruit of scum? Like, in what, two posts? How does that make you feel about Terry, who suggested a CFD on Grape, who flipped town, while QH flipped scum? (Still not wholeheartedly thinking Terry is scum, just want to make this comparison because for you to call me out on it and not Terry is -bleurgh-.) Not pursuing QH? QH's claim had a hole in it (checking on Terry with the guise of seeing if he'd claim he'd been visited, but visited people aren't notified of such), which I called him out for. In addition, I called him out for the nonsensical theories he was making, which as I said, was a guise to make it seem like he was thinking about the game but still not actually contributing to it. Prior to QH's claim, I pointed out that there was no reason for him to be holding out on his claim, except if he was a PR with a sketchy role that couldn't be backed up since there were like 4 nights of actions to be accounted for. So while I didn't do massive rereads, I definitely was paying attention to him.
As for you... I'd love reads on everyone please. I'm curious why you were fine believing shadow had legit reasons to defend Grapefruit yet agreed with me that shadow seemed to be faking some of his reactions (namely the "we got one" post during the twilight of Shinichi's lynch).
And can I just say, I am not fond of this tunneling either. For you to be focused on me and me alone seems like a way to not get on the bad side of anyone else who might decide to vote with you.
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Also, why did/would scum kill Grapefruit? There was no indication of him being 1-shot as far as I could tell, and the only unknown PR was killed the day before, so no strongman. It seems they were risking a night of no kill, which doesn't seem worth the risk.
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Re, I will respond later. But most of the questions you have asked I have provided answers for. For instance, I already said Shqdow convincing (now proven town)GF and letting him come away with the idea that Vaimes was scum would be pretty dumb considering Vaimes was the NK. The easiest path would be to let widely read town GF push a Vaimes mislynch.
Well, I'm mobile only until Monday, so I won't be able to really tackle this until then, but I am elated with that nk. Like holy crap. Grape and I would have gone at it today. Why Would Scum SHOOT him? I have a theory, but it's just in its infancy right now, so no votes on anyone please. I want at least a full day on a pc to make some points. I had temporarily stopped my push on grape because I saw something that would balance his role and the weird buddy interaction between him and shadow went with the thought that they were lovers. Clearly that's not the case, but it does make me wonder if grape revealed to shadow he was one shot.
Also Deathsinger...yikes. I wonder what role that was
Re, I will respond later. But most of the questions you have asked I have provided answers for. For instance, I already said Shqdow convincing (now proven town)GF and letting him come away with the idea that Vaimes was scum would be pretty dumb considering Vaimes was the NK. The easiest path would be to let widely read town GF push a Vaimes mislynch.
Is it not a trend for scum to avoid killing their scumreads so that they can continue pushing them? Is it not brought up in nearly every game that this is the case? If you can acknowledge that shadow might have been faking that post after Shinichi's hammer in order to gain townie points, is it so unlikely for him to have shaded Vaimes then killed him in order to make it seem he wouldn't have done this as scum?
Also, I disagree that it would have been the easiest path. I would have never voted Vaimes. In addition, as it turns out, Grapefruit was more skeptical of shadow than he was letting on.
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And given that I need to take a serious look at Proph/Shadow/Terry as a possibility. Fortunately Proph's ISO is making that terrifying option seem not real. Proph moves Shadow down his reads list a couple of times based on very little and doesn't try to earn credit for it. Doesn't feel like a natural scum buddy read to me. So I think I'm going to dismiss that nightmare scenario after being terrified of it ever since QH wasn't hammered with Proph and Terry voting for him.
I'm confused.
On bad vibes from you, I would have to reread your iso for the last few pages, but one thing that I didn't like was you trying to say that Proph's "Thank you for enlightening me" made him scum.
And since we're on it, how do you go from scumreading Proph for that to townreading him now?
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Confused about what? I have been assuming the scum team has a strongman this whole time if it's my worry about dying.
While this is fakeable this feels like a real read and progression on Shinichi. I can buy town!Proph going through this line of thought very easily.
And haven't we spent this Day talking about how good Shadow is at pocketing? Just because Shadow is ok with the logic doesn't mean I have to be.
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It's not the fact that he didn't have a strong read on me. It's that he said I wasn't impressionable. So unless we different ideas on what "impressionable" means, I had a hard time buying that he genuinely believed I didn't leave an impression. The difference between my post and shadow's post is he didn't give any examples, or explain his read with evidence, is what I would say. Whereas I actually explained my thought process, even if you dislike it.
Okay, fair enough. Weirded me out for a second.
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Let's talk about this post a little bit.
First off his thesis on not changing a read on a new player is not something I agree completely with. Yes you should have an open mind, but you can't ignore the previous player's behavior. And Kpaca's interactions with Shinichi looked bad at the time and look bad in retrospect. So there is always going to be suspicion on this slot regardless of Proph's play.
And then we have the last part. Does that not set off alarm bells for anyone else now that we can see Proph and Terry voting QH together without a hammer having come through?
It goes back to the problem of finding a team that works with those two as scum but it just kind of adds up to me.
So I'm at a dilemma of what's worse hints of an agenda or lack of consistency and real reads. I'm done with my ISO for now just need to go think on this Proph vs QH problem for a bit.
Shortly put, it was a false epiphany. Kind of an "aha" moment because if I remember correctly, I was struggling to figure out who scum was. To a point where I was kinda townreading everyone... I want to say it was temporary lapse of judgement. And then I liked his defense. And so I decided to go back to my initial read. Plus there's the whole thing where I cannot see a world where town!Proph defends scum!Terry.
Can you point to a post trying to get him to claim? I didn't come across that in my decidedly non comprehensive ISO.
It started the day Shinichi was lynched, or at least the post I'm remembering off the top of my head. Which isn't really the beginning of the game, but... *skims through ISO*
Okay, I think I misremembered how "early" the push was. #1975 is the first post I was able to find, and it wasn't as weird as I remembered. I may actually be misremembering who said it.
(Sorry, I did not mean to shade, just was thinking out loud).
For what it's worth, I think the most likely scenario we are looking at is proph bus qh. I know I'm not scum and the lack of hammer is pretty telling. I've been trying to monitor this thread to see if I needed a quick unvote and nothing has happened.
I completely agree and it's why I was focused on teams with you in them.
I just feel like the way you went "Proph is confirmed scum" Yesterday to you suddenly back tracking into a top townread on me kind of bizarre, even though you've offered some reasoning to support that.
I'll take a look at the RE/LnG fight hopefully tomorrow since I am unable to think clearly right now.
1) Once QH flips scum, let's take a look at his interactions and use the NK as a re-evaluation point. I think that a NK can really clear things up at this stage of the game so getting one once QH flips scum is going to be incredibly helpful combined with the interaction analysis.
2) For the people who are trying to keep "Proph is bussing QH theory" alive, sure, you can go ahead with that as long as you vote QH. Tomorrow I will try my hardest to convince you all that that isn't the case, but it should be pretty obvious.
3) I still think that LnG/QH/shadow is the scum team, and will again try to convince you all Tomorrow that my worldview is correct. If it isn't, then I hope the town out of LnG/shadow can make their alignment obvious at the 11th hour so that I can re-evaluate.
If anyone wants me to take a look at anything or address anything tomorrow let me know, but my eyes are pretty bloodshot atm so I'll take a look at things later.
I like his WIM down at the end and he's had a solid tonally town day today but it's just easier for me to make sense of the game with him as scum and Proph as town. All my gut instincts are saying this is the wrong thing to vote and that QH is scum but my brain is telling me this makes the most sense.
I'm going to bed.
If I'm dead tomorrow, trust GF. Like for reals. If QH is somehow town then I hate you scum team. Slow rolling is the devil.
I have no idea.
In case it wasn't, I will probably be awake tomorrow to hammer. I want to do it today, but I think I'd rather someone else do it for me...
Cause if I'm wrong, and happen to be the only town on this train, it'll take me years to live it down...
@Proph
I don't really know how to explain my temporary scum read of you as anything but a derp moment. I saw an uncanny similarity between your scum game and this game, and I jumped on it because it was the strongest thing I saw during a time where I was feeling pretty hopeless.
You are defending Terry, correct? Despite disagreeing with nearly everything he's said and done. Maybe you are seeing something I'm not. But I do believe you are town, and with that assumption, it follows that your defense of Terry is not coming from a place of mal intent. Basically, I can't picture town!Proph defending scum!Terry with reasoning I don't really agree with, or more accurately, reasoning that overlooks a lot of scummy things Terry has done.
Because it's weird.
vote: QH
Just in case... Or possibly not. Please be scum, or don't make me the only town on this train...
It was fun playing with you all. I mean it. Thanks to the host as well.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
QuickHoodies has been lynched as of #2927.
Final Day 5 Votecount
Quickhoodies (4) - Prophylaxis, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Grapefruit, Shadowlancer
Prophylaxis (1) - Quickhoodies
Not Voting (2) - RE1031, LnGrrrR
He was:
It is now Night 5. It will last about 72 hours, but I can end it faster if everyone gets actions in.
IMPORTANT: I have the setup, but I do not have the role allocation. PLEASE copy me in to your role PM that Cantrip sent you (even if you are Vanilla!) as soon as possible. I won't be able to start Day until everyone has done this.
Grapefuit has been killed! He was:
With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch!
Sometime this weekend I'll take a look at QH interactions to see if my view of the gamestate is correct or not.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I change my mind, I am more willing to lynch this slot over shadow. These posts are quite frankly coming from someone with insider knowledge.
Interesting... Might want to fess up who you actually gave the shot to.
How about this... Why are you criticizing me for doing something you weren't doing at all that phase?
I think you're scum, so I don't care too much about this read. But I'm going to make you do work, because if you want to go after me, that's the price you gotta pay. IIRC, you're scum reading me for two reasons: my hasty jump on Proph, and a post from several months ago that you agreed to "take my word for it." You also say that Proph is one of your scum reads - do you still think so? If not, who else? And how exactly does that fit into your narrative that I, as scum, suddenly went after Proph?
Is there anything else you want to say about my slot? Preferably something other than a single post on me. Cause right now, I don't know what your case is.
And nice fishing, btw.
And I wasn't sure who was scummiest, until I reread QH. Remember? I posted a few thoughts about him? Something you didnt do? Because you were too busy calling Grapefruit scum?
Not to mention you would think GF flipping town would make you reevaluate. But nope, reads completely unchanged. Wonder why.
You know, I posted all those posts yesterDay, and you had plenty of time to respond then if they were so obvscum.
All that, plus you pushed a ton of suspicion on GF, and your votes on the townie wagons sucked. Plus you flip out unnaturally when someone attacks you (see early game with Terry).
Assuming you are scum, I don't know who the last scum is. But I feel confident enough that you are one of them, and I can figure it out toMorrow if I am still alive.
Here's a thought. You put up a case on me, Ms. "Every post is non-townie from this slot". Should be pretty easy right?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
How did it backfire? Also, what are you talking about?
Do we have different definitions of fishing? Because fishing to me is when you try to figure out who the PRs are early game so that you can take them out at night... And that actually can't happen now. What does town have to lose by me asking for night action information that should be revealed anyway?
Quotes please~ Because for me to busy doing it, I'd have to doing a lot of it, which I don't actually remember.
And I did post about QH. Mostly on his recent posts, because that was when he was under the most pressure, and thus more revealing of his alignment.
Did you miss my last reads list? You and shadow are on the top, grape was third, I would never have lynched him before you and shadow, and seeing as we are in a constant state of LyLo, that would make him automatically town in my book because I have to do lots of preflip analysis.
Because I'd feel dumb doing that if QH actually flipped town.
They did suck, because they weren't on you. I just wish I hadn't been distracted by all the drama.
Then vote me. Please do it. Because then it'll be confirmed (well, to me) that you are scum when 2 additional votes don't suddenly pop out of nowhere on me. Yup. Let's start with AG:
>Did literally nothing useful. Like please, name something, other than being a PR.
>180 flip on WG. Unlike Vaimes though, he had practically no explanation. What he gave was something along the lines of "WG is less engaged as scum, so he is town" to "WG is less engaged now, so he is scum" which is the vaguest read ever, which has a high tendency to come from scum.
>Didn't vote Vaimes when he agreed/explained that Vaimes shouldn't have gotten a result on Rhand since Rhand died, which meant Vaimes lied, and liars tend to be scum. Implies he knew Vaimes was town.
>Lurked into oblivion...
Now you:
>Your case on me. You start off by picking out certain posts and then painting them in the worst light possible, aka, by ignoring context. I mean, you picked 2 of my posts out of the 300+? GG?
>Throwing shade on me for not voting yet not voting yourself (day 5). Like, were you not aware that scum could have hammered and won the game had there been a town vote on a townie? Cause you really sounded that way.
>Blind faith in shadow. Seriously. Now that you've said it yourself - you don't know who the "last" scum is (I should put "know" in quotation marks too...), I hope this blind faith doesn't stick. (Unless somehow shadow is townlock for you, which will send red flags in itself.) As I've said, town cannot afford to think that way. Or at least afford to encourage others to do the same.
>The "stop fishing" posts. Okay. Either this is pure miscommunication (which I doubt) or you are scum throwing shade. Seriously. What is so bad about me asking people to reveal their night actions when every PR's been outed? I'll ask again - what does town have to lose from it? You know, and maybe keep in mind that the thread is my only source of gaining this information?
>Your accusations have been failed to be backed up with actual posts. Busy accusing Grapefruit of scum? Like, in what, two posts? How does that make you feel about Terry, who suggested a CFD on Grape, who flipped town, while QH flipped scum? (Still not wholeheartedly thinking Terry is scum, just want to make this comparison because for you to call me out on it and not Terry is -bleurgh-.) Not pursuing QH? QH's claim had a hole in it (checking on Terry with the guise of seeing if he'd claim he'd been visited, but visited people aren't notified of such), which I called him out for. In addition, I called him out for the nonsensical theories he was making, which as I said, was a guise to make it seem like he was thinking about the game but still not actually contributing to it. Prior to QH's claim, I pointed out that there was no reason for him to be holding out on his claim, except if he was a PR with a sketchy role that couldn't be backed up since there were like 4 nights of actions to be accounted for. So while I didn't do massive rereads, I definitely was paying attention to him.
As for you... I'd love reads on everyone please. I'm curious why you were fine believing shadow had legit reasons to defend Grapefruit yet agreed with me that shadow seemed to be faking some of his reactions (namely the "we got one" post during the twilight of Shinichi's lynch).
And can I just say, I am not fond of this tunneling either. For you to be focused on me and me alone seems like a way to not get on the bad side of anyone else who might decide to vote with you.
I intend to use the entire Day to analyze in order to figure out the gamestate and we still have not heard from shadow or JT.
I will try to get to QH's posts later today.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Also Deathsinger...yikes. I wonder what role that was
Is it not a trend for scum to avoid killing their scumreads so that they can continue pushing them? Is it not brought up in nearly every game that this is the case? If you can acknowledge that shadow might have been faking that post after Shinichi's hammer in order to gain townie points, is it so unlikely for him to have shaded Vaimes then killed him in order to make it seem he wouldn't have done this as scum?
Also, I disagree that it would have been the easiest path. I would have never voted Vaimes. In addition, as it turns out, Grapefruit was more skeptical of shadow than he was letting on.