And for the record, I'm not really saying my first post had anything to do with why I'm town, I was just thinking about it and wanted write down who claimed I was town off that.
Thanks Terry. I will try to note those as I reread. It is harder to get asense of the flow of the game when replacing in/rereading. (Akin to watching Lost when it was on each week vs binge watching). So I appreciate people highlighting what they think is important.
I think you are scum. I thought you were scum prior to your posts that clearly misinterpreted mine, because Proph was defending you for no decent reason and because you hammered every townie lynch + your attempt to clear people based on using TV felt super bad, but that was the last nail in the coffin.
And sigh, when you want to use ongoing games as an example but can't :'(
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I think you are scum. I thought you were scum prior to your posts that clearly misinterpreted mine, because Proph was defending you for no decent reason and because you hammered every townie lynch + your attempt to clear people based on using TV felt super bad, but that was the last nail in the coffin.
And sigh, when you want to use ongoing games as an example but can't :'(
You know you were the person I was trying to clear using TV vs VT?
I suppose we should just go through the whole game no lynching because no one will hammer then? You were on every Lynch I hammered on.
I can't help that Proph is reading me town. Everyone should be reading me town. That doesn't mean I think Proph is town.
What is this about me using ongoing games as an example?
RE I hate to say this again, but I have to point out that you aren't making great points. Just like when you said I was scum buddies with Proph, but in that context it would also mean I'm scum buddies with you. Were you just hoping that blew over and no one else noticed?
I think you are scum. I thought you were scum prior to your posts that clearly misinterpreted mine, because Proph was defending you for no decent reason and because you hammered every townie lynch + your attempt to clear people based on using TV felt super bad, but that was the last nail in the coffin.
And sigh, when you want to use ongoing games as an example but can't :'(
You know you were the person I was trying to clear using TV vs VT?
I suppose we should just go through the whole game no lynching because no one will hammer then? You were on every Lynch I hammered on.
I can't help that Proph is reading me town. Everyone should be reading me town. That doesn't mean I think Proph is town.
What is this about me using ongoing games as an example?
RE I hate to say this again, but I have to point out that you aren't making great points. Just like when you said I was scum buddies with Proph, but in that context it would also mean I'm scum buddies with you. Were you just hoping that blew over and no one else noticed?
I was using "you" in the context of "me."
And how does that logic even work? I'm obviously not reading myself as buddies with Proph, that's all you. I'm reading you as buddies with Proph. So no, there is no "that context." Our theorized worlds are completely different. You can be scum with Proph without me on the team.
And yes, I know. You were trying to clear someone else too, I believe. So? In the end, all your traps and attempts at teasing mechanics have not caught scum or cleared town and lead to you complaining that you should be towncleared based on it.
Hammering is vastly different from being on a train. Being on a train suggests reasoning that has sprung up naturally, whereas hammering (and reluctantly at that) can suggest preflip knowledge of alignment. BTW, when did you start suspecting Proph? It couldn't have been before he led the lynch on Shinichi.
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I think you are scum. I thought you were scum prior to your posts that clearly misinterpreted mine, because Proph was defending you for no decent reason and because you hammered every townie lynch + your attempt to clear people based on using TV felt super bad, but that was the last nail in the coffin.
And sigh, when you want to use ongoing games as an example but can't :'(
You know you were the person I was trying to clear using TV vs VT?
I suppose we should just go through the whole game no lynching because no one will hammer then? You were on every Lynch I hammered on.
I can't help that Proph is reading me town. Everyone should be reading me town. That doesn't mean I think Proph is town.
What is this about me using ongoing games as an example?
RE I hate to say this again, but I have to point out that you aren't making great points. Just like when you said I was scum buddies with Proph, but in that context it would also mean I'm scum buddies with you. Were you just hoping that blew over and no one else noticed?
I was using "you" in the context of "me."
And how does that logic even work? I'm obviously not reading myself as buddies with Proph, that's all you. I'm reading you as buddies with Proph. So no, there is no "that context." Our theorized worlds are completely different. You can be scum with Proph without me on the team.
And yes, I know. You were trying to clear someone else too, I believe. So? In the end, all your traps and attempts at teasing mechanics have not caught scum or cleared town and lead to you complaining that you should be towncleared based on it.
Hammering is vastly different from being on a train. Being on a train suggests reasoning that has sprung up naturally, whereas hammering (and reluctantly at that) can suggest preflip knowledge of alignment. BTW, when did you start suspecting Proph? It couldn't have been before he led the lynch on Shinichi.
RE, you accused me of being scum buddies with Proph when I asked if you were bussing him. If I said you were bussing him, that would imply that you are both scum together. If you and proph are scum together and proph and I are scum together that would mean you and I are scum together. It's a horrible line of logic by you. Do you know who has horrible lines of logic? SCUM! They are fabricating cases against people they are trying to mislynch, but have a hard time because they are trying to find a reason to call town people scum. That results in bad logic.
I am not following this at all and I don't think this particular case is very alignment indicative. I'd rather other people take a look at the vote counts I was talking about with Proph and give opinions on them.
RE is looking more townie to me in this page. Her posts feel like she is a townie being paranoid. These statements in particular feel townie to me:
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I've been dying to say this:
Mafia, please take me in. I don't want to play as town anymore.
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Conspiracy theory: You, shadow, and Proph are scum. I want need to know why shadow didn't choose someone new.
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AG claimed Hannibal Lecter. Let's go with "flavor was randomized then roles assigned accordingly." I don't know much about the original books, I watched the TV series, and I'm pretty sure Hannibal is the kind of person who manipulates people into doing bad things.
(If you couldn't tell, I'm really lost.)
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Also, I don't what to make of this find currently, but my first thoughts when trying to reexamine everyone is that people are extraordinarily townie. Shadow's role in this game makes him seem scummy to me, but his behavior is so town. Normally I wouldn't have difficultly labeling someone as scum (even if I'm wrong) but at this point in the game, I am. So my mind jumped to the theory that there is only one scum in this game - AG. Which would be very unbalanced, of course. But I have seen (well, stalked) a game where this was the case, although it was less unbalanced because scum kept changing identities after being lynched.
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Proph needs more pressure, that is for sure. I dearly hope AG is scum.
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Sad thing is, I don't really think this is Proph's scum game.
I don't think mafia points out a theory but then later backtracks on it in a relatively short time span (20 minutes). It feels like RE posted her reads and then stopped and paused to think about it. I feel like scum!RE would be more consistent about things.
Though I am interested; RE and Grapefruit, what do you think my scum game looks like?
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Just popping in to say that posts like these are really not okay, and not really fitting in with rule 1:
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JT just a reminder that RE is female.
What do you make of RE's vanilla claim, though? Rarely do scum lock themselves into vanilla claims this early IMO - they always prefer to not to claim so that they can claim a PR if necessary. RE's sudden vanilla claim out of nowhere doesn't make much sense from a mafia mindset I believe?
I am not following this at all and I don't think this particular case is very alignment indicative. I'd rather other people take a look at the vote counts I was talking about with Proph and give opinions on them.
No, it's important. It's weird that I had you picked out as on a scum team with RE and you are trying to smooth this over.
Well, we know that the scum team loves Cantrip. I suppose EL's slot was pretty obvious town after that rage quit.
RE, tell me why you don't like proph. He seemed pretty certain you were town yesterday. Are you bus bluffing right now?
Very clearly asking RE if he was acting like he'd bus proph. Which would imply that I am accusing him of being scum with Proph. However, in response to that, he writes:
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Also, been dying to say this, in response to the bold: SCUM SLIP. You are acknowledging the fact that Proph is scum. To accuse me of bussing is to indirectly address scum!Proph. Don't even get how Proph's town read on me ties us together.
He bolded:
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Are you bus bluffing right now?
He calls it a scum slip because I "acknowledged the fact that props is scum"... WITH HIM! That would make the scum team me, RE and Proph. This is coming from RE. It's a horrible attempt to get me mislynched and I don't like the fact that you tried to smooth it over.
Really Terry? I don't mind you scum reading me right now. You're wrong, but it's cool. It's Lylo everyone should be mistrusting everyone. Anyway I can follow your train on RE here and I think it's silly. Now RE's trap is equally silly. Let me outline them as I see them.
RE puts FOS on Proph.
You ask RE why the change of stance. In a suggestion that they are scum together. When you haven't taken a firm read on Proph in general so this is a new-ish stance.
RE says "ah-ha! You are saying Proph is scum when you haven't been doing that before. Caught a buddy." I can follow that excitement. I think it's NAI, but I can see and understand town getting excited about it.
Your defense that RE is scum reading herself is silly because the "ah-ha" moment was your saying Proph was scum with RE. You're saying Proph is scum, yes you're saying it's with RE, but the more important fact is your statement that Proph is scum. And that's what RE reacts to. It doesn't matter in that context that you're saying they're scum together. It's the overlap of opinion and you're both jumping at the same thing. You're saying RE must be scum because they're admitting Proph is scum and RE is saying you're scum for admitting Proph is scum.
It's all jumping at non tells as slips to try and crack the game open rather than reading and solving this thing the hard way. I can't type it as clearly as I'd like to but it's crystal clear in my head and I think this finally makes some amount of sense after editing.
Your defense that RE is scum reading herself is silly because the "ah-ha" moment was your saying Proph was scum with RE. You're saying Proph is scum, yes you're saying it's with RE, but the more important fact is your statement that Proph is scum. And that's what RE reacts to. It doesn't matter in that context that you're saying they're scum together. It's the overlap of opinion and you're both jumping at the same thing. You're saying RE must be scum because they're admitting Proph is scum and RE is saying you're scum for admitting Proph is scum.
I was actually being super sarcastic with that. Terry gave me a lot of grief early in the game, I decided to have a little payback. I don't think that's what's telling, what is telling though is his choice to misinterpret my posts. Starting from 2 pages prior, shortly before phase change.
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So there is a part of me that thinks Terry is town since no one joined EL in voting for him yesterday. Now that we know EL is town I feel like scum might have treated it with kid gloves trying to preserve the future mislynch by not touching it with a 10 foot pole.
There is a larger part of me that says that is really stupid and no one would touch that wagon regardless of alignment since it was Mylo and no lynching was being widely talked about.
RE is looking more townie to me in this page. Her posts feel like she is a townie being paranoid. These statements in particular feel townie to me:
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I've been dying to say this:
Mafia, please take me in. I don't want to play as town anymore.
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Conspiracy theory: You, shadow, and Proph are scum. I want need to know why shadow didn't choose someone new.
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AG claimed Hannibal Lecter. Let's go with "flavor was randomized then roles assigned accordingly." I don't know much about the original books, I watched the TV series, and I'm pretty sure Hannibal is the kind of person who manipulates people into doing bad things.
(If you couldn't tell, I'm really lost.)
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Also, I don't what to make of this find currently, but my first thoughts when trying to reexamine everyone is that people are extraordinarily townie. Shadow's role in this game makes him seem scummy to me, but his behavior is so town. Normally I wouldn't have difficultly labeling someone as scum (even if I'm wrong) but at this point in the game, I am. So my mind jumped to the theory that there is only one scum in this game - AG. Which would be very unbalanced, of course. But I have seen (well, stalked) a game where this was the case, although it was less unbalanced because scum kept changing identities after being lynched.
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Proph needs more pressure, that is for sure. I dearly hope AG is scum.
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Sad thing is, I don't really think this is Proph's scum game.
I don't think mafia points out a theory but then later backtracks on it in a relatively short time span (20 minutes). It feels like RE posted her reads and then stopped and paused to think about it. I feel like scum!RE would be more consistent about things.
Though I am interested; RE and Grapefruit, what do you think my scum game looks like?
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Just popping in to say that posts like these are really not okay, and not really fitting in with rule 1:
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JT just a reminder that RE is female.
What do you make of RE's vanilla claim, though? Rarely do scum lock themselves into vanilla claims this early IMO - they always prefer to not to claim so that they can claim a PR if necessary. RE's sudden vanilla claim out of nowhere doesn't make much sense from a mafia mindset I believe?
That should do it for now.
Did you just ignore the parts where I labeled you as scum with reasoning independent of Proph? Yes, yes you did.
Did you also ignore my question of when did you start to scum read Proph? Yes, you did that too.
Stop OMGUSing every time someone criticizes your read or post. Or continue, like I said, you're digging your own grave.
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Your defense that RE is scum reading herself is silly because the "ah-ha" moment was your saying Proph was scum with RE. You're saying Proph is scum, yes you're saying it's with RE, but the more important fact is your statement that Proph is scum. And that's what RE reacts to. It doesn't matter in that context that you're saying they're scum together. It's the overlap of opinion and you're both jumping at the same thing. You're saying RE must be scum because they're admitting Proph is scum and RE is saying you're scum for admitting Proph is scum.
I was actually being super sarcastic with that. Terry gave me a lot of grief early in the game, I decided to have a little payback. I don't think that's what's telling, what is telling though is his choice to misinterpret my posts. Starting from 2 pages prior, shortly before phase change.
I can buy that. So am I correct in thinking your scum team is Proph/Terry/X where X is probably Shadow? Or based on 2468 do you think Terry is town, but looking scummy?
If so can I have your read on QH? I'm not seeing exactly what I'd expect from them as town, but my meta read on them is super small and I shouldn't be giving it any weight.
Your defense that RE is scum reading herself is silly because the "ah-ha" moment was your saying Proph was scum with RE. You're saying Proph is scum, yes you're saying it's with RE, but the more important fact is your statement that Proph is scum. And that's what RE reacts to. It doesn't matter in that context that you're saying they're scum together. It's the overlap of opinion and you're both jumping at the same thing. You're saying RE must be scum because they're admitting Proph is scum and RE is saying you're scum for admitting Proph is scum.
I was actually being super sarcastic with that. Terry gave me a lot of grief early in the game, I decided to have a little payback. I don't think that's what's telling, what is telling though is his choice to misinterpret my posts. Starting from 2 pages prior, shortly before phase change.
I can buy that. So am I correct in thinking your scum team is Proph/Terry/X where X is probably Shadow? Or based on 2468 do you think Terry is town, but looking scummy?
If so can I have your read on QH? I'm not seeing exactly what I'd expect from them as town, but my meta read on them is super small and I shouldn't be giving it any weight.
I'd lynch Proph, then Terry. My #2468 does not think Terry is town, it thinks he is scum picking and choosing whatever suits him best to reply to. And then possibly shadow, depending on what he has to say today, especially regarding the chat. And QH is killing me. There is nothing remotely townie about that slot. Nothing.
I look forward to your results from last night.
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Well, shadow can come in and clear this up. Basically, I left some bread crumbs in our night chat seeing if anything leaked out, particularly about RE and Proph. It does not appear anything leaked. I was intentionally trying to see if RE would slip. He didn't. It makes me feel good about shadow.
I think we should all focus on whoever we think is the scummiest person, and lay out a case on that person as best as we can, and go from there. Otherwise we will all get paranoid and no one will trust each other and we won't be able to figure this out.
Well, shadow can come in and clear this up. Basically, I left some bread crumbs in our night chat seeing if anything leaked out, particularly about RE and Proph. It does not appear anything leaked. I was intentionally trying to see if RE would slip. He didn't. It makes me feel good about shadow.
Can you describe those breadcrumbs in detail?
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On mechanics, number 1 scum read is grape. Just no way there is a bullet proof in a mini. AG/Lngr would be number 2 based on mechanics. His role is a scum role.
On play, number 1 is RE. I have seen a ton of scum tells comimg from this slot. Followed by QH number as #2. Lurk factor to the max, plus you can read their posts and find almost 0 scum hunting.
On association, number 1 is proph and number 2 is probably shadow. Both of these are based on my view that re and grape are partners, so take them with a grain of salt.
I want to lynch grape very badly, but he is going to be the last scum standing I'm sure. That means I'd like to see today's lynch on qh, re or proph. I can see a world where the ag/lngr role is given to town, but mechanically counted towards the scum power.
@Terry (and I guess anyone else who wants to chime in), assume for a moment that I am 100% mod confirmed town. Would the presence of my ability on a townie make you assume this game was somewhat bastardy, or not?
I would much rather focus on lynching someone due to bad gameplay rather than due to mechanics, especially given the fact that the flips aren't showing full role info.
@Proph I can confirm there was some Shin flip based debriefing/emotion in Shadow and my chat. I'll get into your content in a while, but can I ask where you are on RE? YesterDay you seemed pretty in the town camp, but you seem be walking that back toDay. Just went to see if this is reevaluation or a firm change in read?
I still think that RE is town but this push on me skeeves me the heck out. I have no idea why she thinks I am scum and I don't understand her thought process at all. She's picking out stuff that I would do regardless of alignment (when I have finals, I can't post) and she's saying that it confirms me as scum and I don't understand that at all. Plus she's basically handwaving a bunch of my posts and only fixating on the NAI ones. I just really want to see where her thought process is coming from and I want to see if she's angling an agenda here, but gun to head I still think she's town?
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@Proph: Why are you so convinced there has to be scum on every Lynch? Seems like misdirection.
Because we've mislynched twice. Why would scum not want to join a town wagon?
When's the last time you've seen a mislynch composed of all townies? Scum want to mislynch so that they can win the game. That means that they will be on townie wagons. I can't believe that scum were NOT pushing the Shinichi or Wheat lynch.
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First off why the Shinichi wagon as opposed to the Wheat wagon? I find the Shin wagon really hard to trust in this moment because of how Shin's play was being widely and completely scum read and shaded for 1.5 days before he was lynched. Purely based on those two vote counts though my eye is drawn to you. You have a late but not hammer slot on Shin and are off in nowhere-land for Wheat. It sticks out to me. I like what you're doing today, so definitely don't want to hang the game on your lynch right now. But the vote counts make very interested in lynching you.
Either or. I was picking out the Shinichi wagon because it was the latest wagon but the Wheat wagon is very much worthy of analyzing as well.
Assume that I'm town, Grape, and approach the gamestate from that point of view, because that's the world we're living in right now. I recognize that I can't say "I'm town" and magically become confirmed town to the rest of you, but you have to trust me on this.
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I think scum killed EL because they were very close to confirmed town. Both players in that slot had been widely town read and EL's frustration felt very genuine. NKA is pretty useless here though. Might be more helpful tomorrow. I don't have a likely scum buddy for QH based on the point you were pointing out about walls. There aren't a ton of interactions to see who his buddies are. I'm not going to lock myself into anything based on his flip right now. I think the most likely worlds are Me, Shadow, and Terry as town, but right now I can't make a scum team work with those assumptions. So I'm taking it a bit slowly.
Like I said, tone is super easy to fake. And you are reading him based on tone. What do you think of his reads? Do you agree or disagree that Grape is fakeclaiming? What do you make of his suggestion that we are scumbuddies? What do you make of him continuously misinterpreting my posts - accusing me of claiming EL and him are scumbuddies, of claiming Grape of being scum? Because that misinterpretation/putting words in someone else's mouth alone is a classic scum tactic.
I disagree on tone being easy to fake. I've accurately townread people off of good town tone as well. Yes, it varies player to player, but I will never ignore a post I think is townie.
1. I disagree with his Grape read, and he's wrong about me, and I think he's wrong about you, but I agree with him that QH should be lynched.
2. I disagree with him that Grape is falseclaiming. While I've been slightly paranoid about Grape due to him surviving this long despite being a nearly universal townread all game, him being bulletproof makes sense with the N2 kill missing and he's been actively trying to gamesolve. I would be very surprised if he was scum.
3. I'm heavily townreading Grape and sort of townreading you (but again paranoia) so I don't agree with him at all there.
4. Quote the posts where you feel as though he is misrepresenting you?
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In my case I've got a pretty sexy scumteam in mind. Spoilers in case you didn't know: Proph is in there lol.
Okay, I want a real answer to this - can someone present actual reasoning as to why they think I am scum? I'm being constantly shaded left and right from people saying that I'm scum like they plucked a name out of a hat but I have been seeing woeful little reasoning. The closest I've seen is Grape saying that I'm scum based off of the votes (which I can't really defend myself against) and RE saying that I'm scum because.. V/LA notices? Finals?
If you're going to suspect me, at least do the decency to read my posts and come up with some reasoning, so I can figure out if you're town who is genuinely working to try and figure out the gamestate versus scum who hope to shade me into being mislynched somehow and losing the game right then and there. I've tried my best to redeem the kpaca slot and solve the game in the meantime; I won't let my effort to go waste here by me sticking my foot into my mouth.
On mechanics, number 1 scum read is grape. Just no way there is a bullet proof in a mini. AG/Lngr would be number 2 based on mechanics. His role is a scum role.
On play, number 1 is RE. I have seen a ton of scum tells comimg from this slot. Followed by QH number as #2. Lurk factor to the max, plus you can read their posts and find almost 0 scum hunting.
On association, number 1 is proph and number 2 is probably shadow. Both of these are based on my view that re and grape are partners, so take them with a grain of salt.
I was thinking about this post again and you're basically scumreading/finding reasons to suspect everyone alive right now. (Seven players alive, you have three categories and listing everyone is one of the three). Do you have any townreads?
RE I'd still like to see reasoning on why you think I'm scum that isn't you taking a "Gonna post tomorrow after finals" post and saying that it makes me confirmed scum.
You fixating on me is skeeving the heck out of me right now and I'd like to see this resolved so we can come to some compromise on reads, assuming that you are town.
I don't understand how you all think scum should act for that to be a Town-tell for all of you. I seriously can't recall more than three vaguely-Townie posts from Terry in this entire game. My vote is most likely not moving until he's dead.
Well.. we can have a discussion about it? I can tell you my reasoning as to why I think Terry is town (I think? Please be town Terry) and then you can come in with your reasoning as to why you think JT is scum and we can reach a conclusion?
Yeah, you two have got to be buddies. This is your weakest read by far.
@Proph: Wanna talk about it being suspicious that Town-firmed people would be alive this long? Then what's up with Grapefruit and Terry both being alive into MyLo, when QH is the toughest lynch in the game because he's so widely Town-read, and Terry is the second toughest lynch in the game because he's being magically Town-read for scum-tells?
What is the town-firmed people we have in this game?
I'm not sure why Grapefruit and Terry are still alive. Why is QH so widely town read?
And I told you before, we can talk about Terry and come to a agreement/compromise on reads because I think it's strange that you're reading the gamestate differently than I am.
Are you implying I'm scum buddies with grape and have stuck my neck out questioning the truthfulness of grapes BP claim while, like several people, it would be much easier to just buy his claim and give him a free pass?
#2364 - How did you come to that conclusion? I'm saying you and Proph are scumbuddies. Not you and Grape.
But you're also saying that EL and Proph are scum buddies and I think if anything is abundantly clear in this game it should be that EL and I are not scum buddies, so that makes what you're suggesting nearly impossible and the reason why I was confused.
Also, based on the fact Terry claimed vanilla, I don't think AG is scum (or more accurately, aligned with him). AG could give the shot out to a buddy, or simply not give out the shot at all.
Because you're assuming I'm scum? I'm pretty sure I've been advocating an AG Lynch longer than most.
I think you are scum. I thought you were scum prior to your posts that clearly misinterpreted mine, because Proph was defending you for no decent reason and because you hammered every townie lynch + your attempt to clear people based on using TV felt super bad, but that was the last nail in the coffin.
And sigh, when you want to use ongoing games as an example but can't :'(
You know you were the person I was trying to clear using TV vs VT?
I suppose we should just go through the whole game no lynching because no one will hammer then? You were on every Lynch I hammered on.
I can't help that Proph is reading me town. Everyone should be reading me town. That doesn't mean I think Proph is town.
What is this about me using ongoing games as an example?
RE I hate to say this again, but I have to point out that you aren't making great points. Just like when you said I was scum buddies with Proph, but in that context it would also mean I'm scum buddies with you. Were you just hoping that blew over and no one else noticed?
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RE I'd still like to see reasoning on why you think I'm scum that isn't you taking a "Gonna post tomorrow after finals" post and saying that it makes me confirmed scum.
I quoted several posts already where you are defending Terry for little to no reason. And you've admitted to disagreeing with him on pretty much everything, so why exactly are you defending him? A faulty train of logic on his part should definitely affect whatever read you have on him.
I could potentially go for QH, I think we agree there.
*internal screaming*
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RE I'd still like to see reasoning on why you think I'm scum that isn't you taking a "Gonna post tomorrow after finals" post and saying that it makes me confirmed scum.
I quoted several posts already where you are defending Terry for little to no reason. And you've admitted to disagreeing with him on pretty much everything, so why exactly are you defending him? A faulty train of logic on his part should definitely affect whatever read you have on him.
I could potentially go for QH, I think we agree there.
*internal screaming*
(I'll be back)
I also quoted several posts where proph defended you for little to no reason. Even within the last page, I've also clearly demonstrated your faulty train of logic and even spelled out WHY faulty trains if logic come from scum.
Ok, so I'm going to start rattling off some possible scum teams and think about which ones make the most sense.
First, if Shadow is scum, it would be unlikely for him to target a scum buddy with his ability, making me, Proph and grape town. That leaves QH, Lngr, and RE. If I'm reading RE right, he would not be scum with shadow because in shadow and i's night chat, I explained I thought proph was scum, but RE seemed superseded by this concept.
That would make the scum team shadow, qh and lngr. Qh hasn't claimed, but shadow and lngr roles are pretty much confirmed. I'm going down the list and will try to do this for each player
Isn't Shadow's role now confirmed? He's used it on you, me, and Proph. That makes four people involved in it so a townie would have to be lying for it to not exist.
And AG's is 100% confirmed because Dead townies have used it. Unless Vaimes was lying.
@Terry (and I guess anyone else who wants to chime in), assume for a moment that I am 100% mod confirmed town. Would the presence of my ability on a townie make you assume this game was somewhat bastardy, or not?
I would much rather focus on lynching someone due to bad gameplay rather than due to mechanics, especially given the fact that the flips aren't showing full role info.
I would definitely call that bastardly, but I just got out of a game where I was a town backup to scum, which I'd also consider bastardly.
Isn't Shadow's role now confirmed? He's used it on you, me, and Proph. That makes four people involved in it so a townie would have to be lying for it to not exist.
And AG's is 100% confirmed because Dead townies have used it. Unless Vaimes was lying.
Yes, both roles are confirmed, but the alignment of the player is not.
Isn't Shadow's role now confirmed? He's used it on you, me, and Proph. That makes four people involved in it so a townie would have to be lying for it to not exist.
And AG's is 100% confirmed because Dead townies have used it. Unless Vaimes was lying.
Yes, both roles are confirmed, but the alignment of the player is not.
This I agree with. Which is slightly different to your last sentence of 2488.
And I don't agree with LnGrrrR's role being bastardly on town fwiw. Just not a design choice I'd make.
Let's do grape now. If Grape is fake claiming scum, which it's clear I think he is, Shadow is not scum, because Shadow really shouldn't be scum with Grape due to night chats. This leaves RE, Lngr, QH and Proph. Two would be town two would be scum. It really looked like as soon as Grape started shading me yesterday, after I called BS on him, RE also started shading me. I don't think RE and AG/Lngr are aligned because of how RE was speculating on AG's activity/mod-killing and flipping. It would also line up with the fact that Grape's last serious push was on AG as well. So I can say a Scum-Grape team would include RE, but not AG/Lngr. That leaves Scum #3 in the scenario as either QH or Proph, who Grape has interestingly been pushing as a dichotomy. He's also come in implying he has a hot scoop on QH and awaits his claim. If Grape is Scum, I don't see QH as being partnered with him, leaving:
Isn't Shadow's role now confirmed? He's used it on you, me, and Proph. That makes four people involved in it so a townie would have to be lying for it to not exist.
And AG's is 100% confirmed because Dead townies have used it. Unless Vaimes was lying.
Yes, both roles are confirmed, but the alignment of the player is not.
This I agree with. Which is slightly different to your last sentence of 2488.
And I don't agree with LnGrrrR's role being bastardly on town fwiw. Just not a design choice I'd make.
I'm doing POE's based off assuming the player I start with is scum. In that case it was Shadow's turn, like #2493 was your turn.
Like I've said multiple times, the ability Lngr grants is pro-scum, but it doesn't make him scum himself, but assuming it does, we have evidence suggesting that he is not giving those shots to scum buddies, so that eliminates Grape and Shadow. Leaving RE, QH and Proph. Two of the three are scum. Like I said before, evidence suggests that RE is not scum with AG, making this team:
Ok, now let's do Proph. If Proph is scum, like a lot of the POE's are suggesting and Kpaca Day 1 was pretty bad. Going back to Shadow not chatting with scum buddies, that means Shadow is not scum with Proph. We know that Proph is Vanilla because Shadow, who is town in this scenario, investigated him. That means that it is extremely unlikely that another Vanilla is scum with him. That eliminates, RE. Leaving Lngr, Grape and maybe QH. Two of the three would be scum. The least likely of those to be aligned with Proph, I guess would be QH. Making this one:
If RE is scum, AG/Lngr is not, as covered before. I'm not quite ready to sign off on RE's push against Proph yet. The way he bought off on Grape's claim really bugged me, but I can't let my bias against Grape's claim cloud my process here. He also doubts Shadow's role Day 4, which means he's not scum with Shadow. Leaving Grape, QH and Proph. In the RE ISO, I see a 180 on Proph from RE, I see reluctant pressure from RE on QH and no pressure on Grape ever. This locks in RE + Grape. So I think I'm talking myself into thinking RE vs. Proph is real. Leaving:
Now for the last one and the one I've been dreading. I just really have an aversion to reading QH's posts. Assuming his max lurk and fence sitting is because he is in fact scum. That means Proph is probably off the table as scum. Leaving me with Lngr/AG, Grape, RE and Shadow. He seems to be Pro-AG. I also don't think QH is scum with Grape because they've had some back and forth including this most recent one where it appears Grape investigated QH, so that takes him off the list. So we now have RE, Shadow and Lngr/AG. Two of the three is scum. He pushes Shadow day 1 a bit and town-reads AG. QH doesn't strike me as a buster, but I don't know his meta. Based on that, I'm saying that if QH is scum, Shadow is not and AG is a buddy. That leaves:
RE I'd still like to see reasoning on why you think I'm scum that isn't you taking a "Gonna post tomorrow after finals" post and saying that it makes me confirmed scum.
I quoted several posts already where you are defending Terry for little to no reason. And you've admitted to disagreeing with him on pretty much everything, so why exactly are you defending him? A faulty train of logic on his part should definitely affect whatever read you have on him.
I could potentially go for QH, I think we agree there.
*internal screaming*
(I'll be back)
I also quoted several posts where proph defended you for little to no reason. Even within the last page, I've also clearly demonstrated your faulty train of logic and even spelled out WHY faulty trains if logic come from scum.
Oh, and I don't like that anymore than you do. The difference is Proph actually straightforward disagrees with you on many points.
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Shadow is scum in 0 of 5 POE's besides his own
Grape is scum in 2 of 5 POE's besides his own
Lngr/AG is scum in 3 of 5 POE's besides his own
Proph is scum in 2 of 5 POE's besides his own
RE is scum in 2 of 5 POE's besides her own
QH is scum in 3 of 5 POE's besides his own
Shadow appears with:
-QH: Once
-Lngr/AG: Once
Grape appears with:
-Lngr/AG: Once
-RE: Twice
-Proph: Twice
-QH: Once
Lngr/AG appears with:
-Shadow: Once
-RE: Once
-Proph: Twice
-QH: Thrice
-Grape: Once
Proph appears with:
-Grape: Twice
-RE: Once
-Lngr/AG: Twice
-QH: Once
RE appears with:
-Grape: Twice
-Proph: Once
-QH: Twice
-Lngr/AG: Once
QH appears with:
-Shadow: Once
-Lngr/AG: Thrice
-Grape: Once
-Proph: Once
-RE: Twice
Let's look at the obvious standouts here, Lngr/AG & QH who match up three times, but one of those times is when Shadow is scum, which seems the least likely. The other two are the scum teams of Lngr/AG, QH & RE and Lngr/AG, QH & Proph. If Proph is scum, I find it unlikely that QH is scum. If RE is scum I find it unlikely the Lngr/AG is scum, which brings me back to the team with Shadow on it. It seems apparent that Lngr/AG and QH are buddies.
I need to step back from this. I feel like there is a lot more I can figure out, but my brain kind of hurts and I need to eat. BRB
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I think you are scum. I thought you were scum prior to your posts that clearly misinterpreted mine, because Proph was defending you for no decent reason and because you hammered every townie lynch + your attempt to clear people based on using TV felt super bad, but that was the last nail in the coffin.
And sigh, when you want to use ongoing games as an example but can't :'(
I suppose we should just go through the whole game no lynching because no one will hammer then? You were on every Lynch I hammered on.
I can't help that Proph is reading me town. Everyone should be reading me town. That doesn't mean I think Proph is town.
What is this about me using ongoing games as an example?
RE I hate to say this again, but I have to point out that you aren't making great points. Just like when you said I was scum buddies with Proph, but in that context it would also mean I'm scum buddies with you. Were you just hoping that blew over and no one else noticed?
I was using "you" in the context of "me."
And how does that logic even work? I'm obviously not reading myself as buddies with Proph, that's all you. I'm reading you as buddies with Proph. So no, there is no "that context." Our theorized worlds are completely different. You can be scum with Proph without me on the team.
And yes, I know. You were trying to clear someone else too, I believe. So? In the end, all your traps and attempts at teasing mechanics have not caught scum or cleared town and lead to you complaining that you should be towncleared based on it.
Hammering is vastly different from being on a train. Being on a train suggests reasoning that has sprung up naturally, whereas hammering (and reluctantly at that) can suggest preflip knowledge of alignment. BTW, when did you start suspecting Proph? It couldn't have been before he led the lynch on Shinichi.
Enjoy:
RE Wrote:
I wrote:
Very clearly asking RE if he was acting like he'd bus proph. Which would imply that I am accusing him of being scum with Proph. However, in response to that, he writes:
He bolded:
He calls it a scum slip because I "acknowledged the fact that props is scum"... WITH HIM! That would make the scum team me, RE and Proph. This is coming from RE. It's a horrible attempt to get me mislynched and I don't like the fact that you tried to smooth it over.
RE puts FOS on Proph.
You ask RE why the change of stance. In a suggestion that they are scum together. When you haven't taken a firm read on Proph in general so this is a new-ish stance.
RE says "ah-ha! You are saying Proph is scum when you haven't been doing that before. Caught a buddy." I can follow that excitement. I think it's NAI, but I can see and understand town getting excited about it.
Your defense that RE is scum reading herself is silly because the "ah-ha" moment was your saying Proph was scum with RE. You're saying Proph is scum, yes you're saying it's with RE, but the more important fact is your statement that Proph is scum. And that's what RE reacts to. It doesn't matter in that context that you're saying they're scum together. It's the overlap of opinion and you're both jumping at the same thing. You're saying RE must be scum because they're admitting Proph is scum and RE is saying you're scum for admitting Proph is scum.
It's all jumping at non tells as slips to try and crack the game open rather than reading and solving this thing the hard way. I can't type it as clearly as I'd like to but it's crystal clear in my head and I think this finally makes some amount of sense after editing.
I was actually being super sarcastic with that. Terry gave me a lot of grief early in the game, I decided to have a little payback. I don't think that's what's telling, what is telling though is his choice to misinterpret my posts. Starting from 2 pages prior, shortly before phase change.
There is a larger part of me that says that is really stupid and no one would touch that wagon regardless of alignment since it was Mylo and no lynching was being widely talked about.
Did you just ignore the parts where I labeled you as scum with reasoning independent of Proph? Yes, yes you did.
Did you also ignore my question of when did you start to scum read Proph? Yes, you did that too.
Stop OMGUSing every time someone criticizes your read or post. Or continue, like I said, you're digging your own grave.
I can buy that. So am I correct in thinking your scum team is Proph/Terry/X where X is probably Shadow? Or based on 2468 do you think Terry is town, but looking scummy?
If so can I have your read on QH? I'm not seeing exactly what I'd expect from them as town, but my meta read on them is super small and I shouldn't be giving it any weight.
I'd lynch Proph, then Terry. My #2468 does not think Terry is town, it thinks he is scum picking and choosing whatever suits him best to reply to. And then possibly shadow, depending on what he has to say today, especially regarding the chat. And QH is killing me. There is nothing remotely townie about that slot. Nothing.
I look forward to your results from last night.
Please explain your read on me & Proph being scumbuddies. All of it, and include stuff that'll make us scum independent of each other too.
I think we should all focus on whoever we think is the scummiest person, and lay out a case on that person as best as we can, and go from there. Otherwise we will all get paranoid and no one will trust each other and we won't be able to figure this out.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Can you describe those breadcrumbs in detail?
On play, number 1 is RE. I have seen a ton of scum tells comimg from this slot. Followed by QH number as #2. Lurk factor to the max, plus you can read their posts and find almost 0 scum hunting.
On association, number 1 is proph and number 2 is probably shadow. Both of these are based on my view that re and grape are partners, so take them with a grain of salt.
I would much rather focus on lynching someone due to bad gameplay rather than due to mechanics, especially given the fact that the flips aren't showing full role info.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Because we've mislynched twice. Why would scum not want to join a town wagon?
When's the last time you've seen a mislynch composed of all townies? Scum want to mislynch so that they can win the game. That means that they will be on townie wagons. I can't believe that scum were NOT pushing the Shinichi or Wheat lynch.
Either or. I was picking out the Shinichi wagon because it was the latest wagon but the Wheat wagon is very much worthy of analyzing as well.
Assume that I'm town, Grape, and approach the gamestate from that point of view, because that's the world we're living in right now. I recognize that I can't say "I'm town" and magically become confirmed town to the rest of you, but you have to trust me on this.
OK, thanks for your insight on this one.
1. I disagree with his Grape read, and he's wrong about me, and I think he's wrong about you, but I agree with him that QH should be lynched.
2. I disagree with him that Grape is falseclaiming. While I've been slightly paranoid about Grape due to him surviving this long despite being a nearly universal townread all game, him being bulletproof makes sense with the N2 kill missing and he's been actively trying to gamesolve. I would be very surprised if he was scum.
3. I'm heavily townreading Grape and sort of townreading you (but again paranoia) so I don't agree with him at all there.
4. Quote the posts where you feel as though he is misrepresenting you?
Okay, I want a real answer to this - can someone present actual reasoning as to why they think I am scum? I'm being constantly shaded left and right from people saying that I'm scum like they plucked a name out of a hat but I have been seeing woeful little reasoning. The closest I've seen is Grape saying that I'm scum based off of the votes (which I can't really defend myself against) and RE saying that I'm scum because.. V/LA notices? Finals?
If you're going to suspect me, at least do the decency to read my posts and come up with some reasoning, so I can figure out if you're town who is genuinely working to try and figure out the gamestate versus scum who hope to shade me into being mislynched somehow and losing the game right then and there. I've tried my best to redeem the kpaca slot and solve the game in the meantime; I won't let my effort to go waste here by me sticking my foot into my mouth.
Mindreaver (2): Shinichi, Quickhoodies
Vaimes (1): Mindreaver
kpaca (2): AtheistGod, shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (1): RE1031
Shinichi (2): Wheat_Grinder, Vaimes
Quickhoodies (1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting: kpaca, Roger Sherman, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Votecount 1.2
Mindreaver (1): Quickhoodies
Vaimes (2): Wheat_Grinder, kpaca
kpaca (2): AtheistGod, RE1031
Shinichi (2): Vaimes, shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (1): Mindreaver
Roger Sherman (2): Grapefruit21, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Not Voting: Roger Sherman, Shinichi
Votecount 1.3
Mindreaver (1): Quickhoodies
Vaimes (2): Wheat_Grinder, kpaca
kpaca (2): AtheistGod, Vaimes
Shinichi (1): shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (1): Mindreaver
Roger Sherman (2): Grapefruit21, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1): RE1031
Not Voting: Roger Sherman, Shinichi
Votecount 1.4
Vaimes (2): Wheat_Grinder, kpaca
kpaca (3): AtheistGod, Vaimes, Grapefruit21
Shinichi (1): shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (1): Mindreaver
Rhand (1): TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Wheat_Grinder (1): RE1031
shadowlancerx (1): Quickhoodies
Not Voting: Rhand, Shinichi
Votecount 1.5
Vaimes (2): Wheat_Grinder, kpaca
kpaca (5): AtheistGod, Vaimes, Grapefruit21, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (1): Mindreaver
shadowlancerx (1): Quickhoodies
Not Voting: RE1031, Rhand, Shinichi
Votecount 1.6
Vaimes (1): kpaca
kpaca (1): shadowlancerx
shadowlancerx (2): Quickhoodies, Wheat_Grinder
Grapefruit21 (1): RE1031
Rhand (3): Grapefruit21, Mindreaver, Vaimes
RE1031 (1): TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Not Voting: AtheistGod, Rhand, Shinichi
Votecount 1.7 - With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Vaimes (1): kpaca
kpaca (1): shadowlancerx
shadowlancerx (2): Quickhoodies, Wheat_Grinder
Rhand (1): Mindreaver
RE1031 (1): TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
AtheistGod (1): RE1031
Shinichi (3): Grapefruit21, Rhand, Vaimes
Not Voting: AtheistGod, Shinichi
Final Day 1 Votecount - With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
(As of 9:07am, MDT)
Vaimes (1): kpaca
shadowlancerx (2): Quickhoodies, Wheat_Grinder
RE1031 (1): TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
AtheistGod (1): RE1031
Shinichi (1): Rhand
kpaca (5): Vaimes, Grapefruit21, AtheistGod, shadowlancerx, Mindreaver
Not Voting: Shinichi
Votecount 2.1 - With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Shinichi (2): Grapefruit21, shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (3): Prophylaxis, RE1031, Vaimes
RE1031 (1): TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Not Voting: AtheistGod, Mindreaver, Quickhoodies, Shinichi, Wheat_Grinder
Votecount 2.2 - With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Shinichi (1): shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (2): Prophylaxis, Wheat_Grinder
Wheat_Grinder (2): Quickhoodies, AtheistGod
Not Voting: Grapefruit21, Mindreaver, RE1031, Shinichi, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes
Votecount 2.3 - With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Shinichi (1): shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (4): Prophylaxis, Wheat_Grinder, Grapefruit21, RE1031
Wheat_Grinder (2): Quickhoodies, AtheistGod
RE1031 (2): Vaimes, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Not Voting: EternalLurker, Shinichi
Votecount 2.4 - With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Shinichi (5): shadowlancerx, Prophylaxis, Grapefruit21, Wheat_Grinder, RE1031
Wheat_Grinder (4): Quickhoodies, AtheistGod, EternalLurker, Vaimes
Not Voting: Shinichi, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Votecount 2.5 - With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Shinichi (4): shadowlancerx, Grapefruit21, Wheat_Grinder, RE1031
Wheat_Grinder (4): Quickhoodies, AtheistGod, EternalLurker, Vaimes
Prophylaxis (1): Shinichi
Not Voting: Prophylaxis, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Votecount 2.6 - With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Shinichi (2): shadowlancerx, Wheat_Grinder
Wheat_Grinder (6): Quickhoodies, AtheistGod, Vaimes, RE1031, EternalLurker, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Prophylaxis (1): Shinichi
AtheistGod (1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting: Prophylaxis
Votecount 3.1 - With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
QuickHoodies (1): Prophylaxis
RE1031 (1): Shinichi
Shinichi (3): shadowlancerx, RE1031, Grapefruit21
Not Voting: AtheistGod, EternalLurker, Quickhoodies, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes
Votecount 3.2 - With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
QuickHoodies (1): Prophylaxis
RE1031 (1): Shinichi
Shinichi (3): shadowlancerx, RE1031, Grapefruit21
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1): EternalLurker
Not Voting: AtheistGod, Quickhoodies, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes
Votecount 3.3 - With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
QuickHoodies (1): Prophylaxis
Shinichi (4): shadowlancerx, RE1031, Vaimes, Grapefruit21
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1): EternalLurker
Not Voting: AtheistGod, Quickhoodies, Shinichi, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Votecount 3.4 - Final
Shinichi (6): shadowlancerx, RE1031, Vaimes, Grapefruit21, Prophylaxis, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (2): EternalLurker, Shinichi
Not Voting: AtheistGod, Quickhoodies
You fixating on me is skeeving the heck out of me right now and I'd like to see this resolved so we can come to some compromise on reads, assuming that you are town.
Night guys.
I quoted several posts already where you are defending Terry for little to no reason. And you've admitted to disagreeing with him on pretty much everything, so why exactly are you defending him? A faulty train of logic on his part should definitely affect whatever read you have on him.
I could potentially go for QH, I think we agree there.
*internal screaming*
(I'll be back)
First, if Shadow is scum, it would be unlikely for him to target a scum buddy with his ability, making me, Proph and grape town. That leaves QH, Lngr, and RE. If I'm reading RE right, he would not be scum with shadow because in shadow and i's night chat, I explained I thought proph was scum, but RE seemed superseded by this concept.
That would make the scum team shadow, qh and lngr. Qh hasn't claimed, but shadow and lngr roles are pretty much confirmed. I'm going down the list and will try to do this for each player
And AG's is 100% confirmed because Dead townies have used it. Unless Vaimes was lying.
This I agree with. Which is slightly different to your last sentence of 2488.
And I don't agree with LnGrrrR's role being bastardly on town fwiw. Just not a design choice I'd make.
Grape, RE, Proph.
Like I've said multiple times, the ability Lngr grants is pro-scum, but it doesn't make him scum himself, but assuming it does, we have evidence suggesting that he is not giving those shots to scum buddies, so that eliminates Grape and Shadow. Leaving RE, QH and Proph. Two of the three are scum. Like I said before, evidence suggests that RE is not scum with AG, making this team:
Lngr, QH, Proph
Proph, Grape & Lngr
If RE is scum, AG/Lngr is not, as covered before. I'm not quite ready to sign off on RE's push against Proph yet. The way he bought off on Grape's claim really bugged me, but I can't let my bias against Grape's claim cloud my process here. He also doubts Shadow's role Day 4, which means he's not scum with Shadow. Leaving Grape, QH and Proph. In the RE ISO, I see a 180 on Proph from RE, I see reluctant pressure from RE on QH and no pressure on Grape ever. This locks in RE + Grape. So I think I'm talking myself into thinking RE vs. Proph is real. Leaving:
RE, Grape and QH
QH, AG/Lngr and RE
Oh, and I don't like that anymore than you do. The difference is Proph actually straightforward disagrees with you on many points.
SHADOW: QH & Lngr/AG
GRAPE: RE & Proph
LNGR/AG: QH & Proph
PROPH: Grape & Lngr/AG
RE: Grape & QH
QH: Lngr/AG & RE
Shadow is scum in 0 of 5 POE's besides his own
Grape is scum in 2 of 5 POE's besides his own
Lngr/AG is scum in 3 of 5 POE's besides his own
Proph is scum in 2 of 5 POE's besides his own
RE is scum in 2 of 5 POE's besides her own
QH is scum in 3 of 5 POE's besides his own
Shadow appears with:
-QH: Once
-Lngr/AG: Once
Grape appears with:
-Lngr/AG: Once
-RE: Twice
-Proph: Twice
-QH: Once
Lngr/AG appears with:
-Shadow: Once
-RE: Once
-Proph: Twice
-QH: Thrice
-Grape: Once
Proph appears with:
-Grape: Twice
-RE: Once
-Lngr/AG: Twice
-QH: Once
RE appears with:
-Grape: Twice
-Proph: Once
-QH: Twice
-Lngr/AG: Once
QH appears with:
-Shadow: Once
-Lngr/AG: Thrice
-Grape: Once
-Proph: Once
-RE: Twice
Let's look at the obvious standouts here, Lngr/AG & QH who match up three times, but one of those times is when Shadow is scum, which seems the least likely. The other two are the scum teams of Lngr/AG, QH & RE and Lngr/AG, QH & Proph. If Proph is scum, I find it unlikely that QH is scum. If RE is scum I find it unlikely the Lngr/AG is scum, which brings me back to the team with Shadow on it. It seems apparent that Lngr/AG and QH are buddies.
I need to step back from this. I feel like there is a lot more I can figure out, but my brain kind of hurts and I need to eat. BRB