What I'm getting at is...Are you fairly confident that there's no way Vaimes would have known it was you who gave him the ability? Your Role PM is quite clear that the gift is fully anonymous?
@Proph: I have a Town-read on Vaimes too, but that doesn't mean we ignore all possibilities to the contrary. Also, didn't you say you were gonna back off Shinichi to get reads from him while he wasn't under pressure? I know, it's hard to resist the temptation cuz every other post he makes feels like a scum post, but.... {:^#{{
I am simply asking him questions about what he is posting. I am not voting him and railroading him like I did Yesterday.
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Not saying i scum read vaimes tho, Im just stating that if what lurker says holds up to be true then they're both scum lol. Was mostly cause I don't see why town would need to bring up such an old question into play.
Like i said i believe 1 person on that train is scum
I bring up old questions all the time. Why do you think that town would not bring that up?
Do you think EL's hypothesis is true? And who do you think on that train is scum?
Depends on the question and how the phrase it. Obviusly iik it can be asked by town ive been asked a bunch of questions.
Not sure if its true but the possibiility is there.
I say the 1st and lst voter arent scum but those in between have a chcance except vaimes. Leaning more towards either re1031 or ag at this point.
I need everyone to check in and the AG ability claims to resolve and then I'll talk about what I saw between RE and EL. I'm not sure it makes them lock-town, but it's worth a discussion.
shadow did not even mention the fact that he had the vanilla cop shot to me at all.
Given that he'd said earlier that he was scum-reading you, I wouldn't be surprised about him not sharing information with you.
The problem is, however, that Night-Chatting with you without the intent to share information is totally pointless except as a way to try to Town-clear himself. Which, conveniently, has happened both Nights: he Chatted with GF and was immediately Town-read, and now he's Chatted with you and you immediately said you were now Town-reading him.
Can the two of you each please explain in detail why you came out of your Night-Chats with SL so convinced that he's Town? I was already worried that he was acting like he was pocketing GF (said so in my reads list which GF requested), so last Night's events have greatly exacerbated my concerns.
I can confirm both chatting with Proph and receiving AG's shot.
I hinted in thread yesterday when I decided to chat with Proph. Wanted to take a different approach to it instead of just using it on a town read. Not really convinced it worked, because I'm even more conflicted on his alignment than I was before.
Overall, I think Proph by himself would probably just be town, but I'm having a hard time getting over kpaca. And I'm a little worried about the eod push over to Wheat as opposed to Shin.
I didn't reveal receiving the Vanilla cop shot to Proph because (as I'm sure he's probably guessed by this point) I used it on him. He's vanilla, which overall assuages a small portion of my worries regarding him.
I'm not buying that Wheat and Shinichi were both town wagons, there was almost no apathy between them by anyone, which I would expect if they were. And I'm having trouble even coming up with worlds that make any sense if he's town.
Can the two of you each please explain in detail why you came out of your Night-Chats with SL so convinced that he's Town? I was already worried that he was acting like he was pocketing GF (said so in my reads list which GF requested), so last Night's events have greatly exacerbated my concerns.
Yeah, I'm vanilla. I'm a little annoyed because shadow revealing that information means that I will never be NK'd/will always make it to endgame, but shrug. That was probably a reality once I replaced in for kpaca.
I'll go over the chat tomorrow but I was pretty busy because I was on vacation in Canada. shadow really tried to engage with me though and we sort of worked out our reads together with the knowledge that Wheat flipped town.
Proph, when you're scum and someone's townreading you, you don't try to shove them deeper into your pocket, do you?
Asking for a friend.
Dude, this is for MY benefit. I feel like you're sort of trending off/being really disengaged as the game goes on and I've heard that that's what you do as scum. I want to real time interact with you because even though I have historically been bad at reading you I feel like I should be able to solidify my read on you once I do that.
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Proph and Vaimes are my all-underrated players in this series because a lot of what makes them good as town isn't something that shows up in a one game sample. They work well with almost any town in any game and have decent win rates through it.
Just putting this here because I feel like you'd like to hear it and because I treasure this comment from Voxx.
Yeah, I'm vanilla. I'm a little annoyed because shadow revealing that information means that I will never be NK'd/will always make it to endgame, but shrug. That was probably a reality once I replaced in for kpaca.
...I'm sorry, why does not being Night-Killed annoy you?
Yeah, I'm vanilla. I'm a little annoyed because shadow revealing that information means that I will never be NK'd/will always make it to endgame, but shrug. That was probably a reality once I replaced in for kpaca.
...I'm sorry, why does not being Night-Killed annoy you?
I was assuming it was because he wanted to focus on his Champs game.
@Grapefruit: to phrase it better, I don't remember really anyone having a "I don't care who we lynch between Wheat/Shinichi," everyone had an opinion of one over the other, and while there was apathy in their conviction, no one was flip flopping back and forth like crazy.
Yeah, I'm vanilla. I'm a little annoyed because shadow revealing that information means that I will never be NK'd/will always make it to endgame, but shrug. That was probably a reality once I replaced in for kpaca.
I'll go over the chat tomorrow but I was pretty busy because I was on vacation in Canada. shadow really tried to engage with me though and we sort of worked out our reads together with the knowledge that Wheat flipped town.
So RE and QH still have not reported in. I don't think we can go this whole game with out lynching shin, but I'm willing to try to Lynch someone else first. Shin has dodged a Lynch twice now.
@Grapefruit: to phrase it better, I don't remember really anyone having a "I don't care who we lynch between Wheat/Shinichi," everyone had an opinion of one over the other, and while there was apathy in their conviction, no one was flip flopping back and forth like crazy.
Why does that make you think that one or the other is scum? That seems...exactly reversed. If one were scum, then any Mafia on the wagons would be trying to focus people onto the Town wagon; if they're both Town, then Maf's happy with either one being lynched. That's a large part of the reason I won't support a Shinichi lynch at the moment.
Anywho, Vaimes didn't particularly care between the two. And Proph said that Quickhoodies also hedged his bets between the two (although I haven't had time to double-check that yet). Which, again, makes me worry more about those two.
@Grapefruit: to phrase it better, I don't remember really anyone having a "I don't care who we lynch between Wheat/Shinichi," everyone had an opinion of one over the other, and while there was apathy in their conviction, no one was flip flopping back and forth like crazy.
Why does that make you think that one or the other is scum? That seems...exactly reversed. If one were scum, then any Mafia on the wagons would be trying to focus people onto the Town wagon; if they're both Town, then Maf's happy with either one being lynched. That's a large part of the reason I won't support a Shinichi lynch at the moment.
Anywho, Vaimes didn't particularly care between the two. And Proph said that Quickhoodies also hedged his bets between the two (although I haven't had time to double-check that yet). Which, again, makes me worry more about those two.
Do you remember how long Shin was at L-1 yesterday? About 24 hours if I remember correctly. This was with just days left in the Day
Yeah, I'm vanilla. I'm a little annoyed because shadow revealing that information means that I will never be NK'd/will always make it to endgame, but shrug. That was probably a reality once I replaced in for kpaca.
I'll go over the chat tomorrow but I was pretty busy because I was on vacation in Canada. shadow really tried to engage with me though and we sort of worked out our reads together with the knowledge that Wheat flipped town.
Was it necessary for EL to reveal you were vanilla, was it necessary for you to claim vanilla?
That was an entirely different situation. I was explaining that the very reason I was Town-reading RE was that I saw her playstyle as being indicative of a Vanilla Townie mindset. I couldn't back up my Town read of her without specifying her role.
That said, isn't it a good thing that shadow revealed Proph's role...? We've already established that shadow had the shot and I'd much rather all the information be out there. What's your reason, RE, for wanting shadow to hide information? Unless you're somehow 100% locked on shadow being Town, there's no reason to be okay with shadow keeping information for himself.
That said, isn't it a good thing that shadow revealed Proph's role...? We've already established that shadow had the shot and I'd much rather all the information be out there. What's your reason, RE, for wanting shadow to hide information? Unless you're somehow 100% locked on shadow being Town, there's no reason to be okay with shadow keeping information for himself.
I'm not a fan of narrowing down who the PRs are. The vanilla cop shot is really only useful to scum, and the only time it's useful to town is when trying to catch someone in a fake claim, and that's not happening now that the shot's been revealed to exist.
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The vanilla cop shot is really only useful to scum, and the only time it's useful to town is when trying to catch someone in a fake claim, and that's not happening now that the shot's been revealed to exist.
...You're totally contradicting yourself. As you just said, there's no use trying to catch someone in a fake claim now that the shot's existence is known. Therefore, what's the point in shadow hiding information?
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Depends on the question and how the phrase it. Obviusly iik it can be asked by town ive been asked a bunch of questions.
Not sure if its true but the possibiility is there.
I say the 1st and lst voter arent scum but those in between have a chcance except vaimes. Leaning more towards either re1031 or ag at this point.
Sorry, I have a bunch of double shifts in a row coming up.
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Separately, scum flubbing their shot after we No Lynch'd Day 1 is too beautiful for words. The universe is back in balance.
Also Vaimes let's real time interact sometime Today when you're free.
Why?
Ahh I see that now. It is a pertinent question.
Might change to AG but I wanna see what shadow says about recieving the aility.
2) He can discuss the shot with his neighbor
Proph (assuming you didn't just miss them), who'd shadow tell you he was gonna target?
shadow did not even mention the fact that he had the vanilla cop shot to me at all.
Re: reads, uh. Given that nothing happened, also no. Wheat being town is thbtbtbtbt, but I'll have to get into that later.
pls
Asking for a friend.
The problem is, however, that Night-Chatting with you without the intent to share information is totally pointless except as a way to try to Town-clear himself. Which, conveniently, has happened both Nights: he Chatted with GF and was immediately Town-read, and now he's Chatted with you and you immediately said you were now Town-reading him.
This is a very disconcerting pattern.
I can confirm both chatting with Proph and receiving AG's shot.
I hinted in thread yesterday when I decided to chat with Proph. Wanted to take a different approach to it instead of just using it on a town read. Not really convinced it worked, because I'm even more conflicted on his alignment than I was before.
Overall, I think Proph by himself would probably just be town, but I'm having a hard time getting over kpaca. And I'm a little worried about the eod push over to Wheat as opposed to Shin.
I didn't reveal receiving the Vanilla cop shot to Proph because (as I'm sure he's probably guessed by this point) I used it on him. He's vanilla, which overall assuages a small portion of my worries regarding him.
I'm not buying that Wheat and Shinichi were both town wagons, there was almost no apathy between them by anyone, which I would expect if they were. And I'm having trouble even coming up with worlds that make any sense if he's town.
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So unlike N1 it had nothing to do with your opinion of his towniness?
I went into detail on my chat with Shadow here.
Plus he's saying Dunkirk is a good movie so he has to be town. But then again he didn't urge IMAX so he must be scum.@Shadow what do you mean by no apathy? I felt like there was some serious reluctance on the Shin wagon. And a little bit on the Wheat one.
That would be correct.
I'll go over the chat tomorrow but I was pretty busy because I was on vacation in Canada. shadow really tried to engage with me though and we sort of worked out our reads together with the knowledge that Wheat flipped town.
Just putting this here because I feel like you'd like to hear it and because I treasure this comment from Voxx.
@Grapefruit: to phrase it better, I don't remember really anyone having a "I don't care who we lynch between Wheat/Shinichi," everyone had an opinion of one over the other, and while there was apathy in their conviction, no one was flip flopping back and forth like crazy.
Anywho, Vaimes didn't particularly care between the two. And Proph said that Quickhoodies also hedged his bets between the two (although I haven't had time to double-check that yet). Which, again, makes me worry more about those two.
EL - As town I play to make the scum want to NK me. shadow revealing that I am vanilla means that I will never be NK'd.
I can't think of any reason.
No, yes.
So please answer my question with an answer, not a question (or two)
That said, isn't it a good thing that shadow revealed Proph's role...? We've already established that shadow had the shot and I'd much rather all the information be out there. What's your reason, RE, for wanting shadow to hide information? Unless you're somehow 100% locked on shadow being Town, there's no reason to be okay with shadow keeping information for himself.
I'm not a fan of narrowing down who the PRs are. The vanilla cop shot is really only useful to scum, and the only time it's useful to town is when trying to catch someone in a fake claim, and that's not happening now that the shot's been revealed to exist.