@RE I agree with your observation on Wheat, but I'm not as sure of your conclusion. Will try to keepan eye on it. What do you think of my case on Roger.
Roger's posts come off to me as mostly town, but I would consider him a very good scum player. Before I dig deeper, I'd like a follow up on that weird flavor thing he said first.
I still want to get into the nitty gritty of Grapefruits case on Roger. I'm started to get the feeling his first language is not english just due to some of his wordings and I wonder if that's making us think he's scum. I know this is an angleshot to hell, but the replace out does not look town.
Roger is def american lol, i just forgot from where. I'm gonna add a small input here i've replaced out as town due to just being overly busy before, I mean if your busy I dont think alignments gonna stop you from asking to be replaced lmao.
@terry Ik its ur first read list but whats the point of saying people are scum but then saying they could also be town, doesnt really hold water.
The point is that I'm talking a stance on how I believe people are behaving at that particular point of the game and willing to be held accountable for it. Sure, my reads will change as the game or even the day progresses, like for example, I would say that RE has moved to Prob scum and you are closer to null or lean scum since my last list.
I really like this response, +1 townie points. Prob the best explanation of how a read list actually works i've ever had the privilege of reading, As scum I don't think you would even try to do something like show weakness in reads or hold accountability if you were scum.
Hey since you bring this up without seeming to care what it actually is, why don't you rank those in order of likelihood with explanations + citing any posts that support your thoughts.
Lol i should just stop doubting your posts if this is how ur gonna react every god damn time.
On the contrary I'm also ranking the possibility of it being T v T alot higher than the rest, I just wanted to make sure you believe the other options are still out there instead of letting your judgement get clouded.
Shinichi: Would you agree with the earlier assertion that you're always scum read, and if so, why do you think you are?
I can't really say for sure why I am always scum read, I think vaimes already picked up on one of the reasons lol. It may be coupled with the fact that when i first started playing mafia, I was scum 4 times in a row so many people found it easy to read me. Why do you think people always scum read based on my posts in this game alone?
2 Biggest problems I have
1.Bad Memory so i tend to contradict myself.
2.I'm really bad at building cases and explaining my reads.
RE vs Terry is a strange fight and my first instinct was t/t but I have doubts creeping in on RSJ.
I said before but I feel like its too early to assume it's t/t, espically since alot of people town read terry while the opposite could be said for RE.
If we look at it like that it's most likely T v S or S vs T
Shin, I think you're missing the point here. And it's probably because of differences in meta. What I think people are looking for is: What about those interactions would point to either Unaligned, T v T, or S v S; in a vacuum. There are specific tells and ways to referring to each other, that might point to one over the others. I don't want to answer this for you, because I think Vaimes is looking for something specific. But you're kinda dancing around it (I don't think it's purposeful, hence this post).
Let me give you an example. RE seemed genuinely tilted at Terry's "hypocrisy". That kind of frustration is actually hard to fake, and equally hard to respond to believably. So if they are both scum, I'd say that was either a brilliant performance, or this interaction is not S v S.
So specifically, what do you think you can glean from this interaction?
Fair enough response atleast your actually giving me into a glimpse of why people may be seeing T v T. You are right though most of if not all the players from this site prob know terry so I can read or gather any sort of scum vibe I mostly get town vibe. While for re1031 I can tell her reaction is genuine but I also know she is very good at faking this kind of interaction which is why i suggested the probability of the other options. As i stated with vaimes I'm still in belief its T v T I'm just keeping my options open since I know one of the players very well.
If they are both scum I'm getting played very hard.
vote: Wheat_Grinder
Asking questions won't get me that far if it isn't coupled with this.
Why terry to WG?
I've been eyeing WG for quite a bit of time, and my vote on Terry was cause I was annoyed at his "hypocrisy". I think I've voted 5 different people so far, but this is the vote I'm most confident in.
While for re1031 I can tell her reaction is genuine but I also know she is very good at faking this kind of interaction which is why i suggested the probability of the other options.
When have I faked this before? I've been scum only once (since I got back into mafia) and converted cult member in another. I don't think I did much faking in either...
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Asking questions won't get me that far if it isn't coupled with this.
Why terry to WG?
I've been eyeing WG for quite a bit of time, and my vote on Terry was cause I was annoyed at his "hypocrisy". I think I've voted 5 different people so far, but this is the vote I'm most confident in.
While for re1031 I can tell her reaction is genuine but I also know she is very good at faking this kind of interaction which is why i suggested the probability of the other options.
When have I faked this before? I've been scum only once (since I got back into mafia) and converted cult member in another. I don't think I did much faking in either...
so... you're faking this now? Seems like a legit slip. Processing... a
@Mind: He used too many words and still didn't really convey what he meant, but I like where his pressure was.
Can you explain me why you're voting him / me?
First thing I'm going to try to do is readinn RE. I get a bad vibe from his posts.
Next up will be Mind because with reading my predecessors posts, I same some quotes of his that I didn't like at all.
@Mind: He used too many words and still didn't really convey what he meant, but I like where his pressure was.
Can you explain me why you're voting him / me?
That pretty much sums up why I'm voting him/you. Well minus the pressure part. Didn't care for that much either. That said I'll give you a chance to work and try this in the mean time.
Vote: Kpaca
FYI still not fully caught up. Will try to keep up but playing while traveling sucks.
@Mind: He used too many words and still didn't really convey what he meant, but I like where his pressure was.
Can you explain me why you're voting him / me?
That pretty much sums up why I'm voting him/you. Well minus the pressure part. Didn't care for that much either. That said I'll give you a chance to work and try this in the mean time.
Vote: Kpaca
FYI still not fully caught up. Will try to keep up but playing while traveling sucks.
What is wrong with putting pressure on the first guy that brings up the SK?
@Mind: He used too many words and still didn't really convey what he meant, but I like where his pressure was.
Can you explain me why you're voting him / me?
That pretty much sums up why I'm voting him/you. Well minus the pressure part. Didn't care for that much either. That said I'll give you a chance to work and try this in the mean time.
Vote: Kpaca
FYI still not fully caught up. Will try to keep up but playing while traveling sucks.
What is wrong with putting pressure on the first guy that brings up the SK?
I know I'm dodging your question a bit, but can you explain why "the first guy to bring up the SK" should affect their alignment? That's what I don't quite understand.
Now, you can't speak for Roger. and I don't really expect you to. But I am interested in why you think he was onto something with this "Mind said the word SK, so pressure him on that". When I truly, truly, do not understand how it would have benefited scum!mindreaver to bring it up at all. Or why a town!mindreaver would never think in those terms.
So I guess that's the problem with putting pressure on me for this. I don't, think this was something alignment indicative in the first place. I just don't understand that thought process. I don't really mind the pressure itself, it's the thought behind why your slot was applying it.
Now, as for why I'm comfortable lynching your slot, Roger spent an awful lot of time being a language lawyer about posts, without generating a single lick of content. I'm also taking Grape's post into account, because once you DO strip those quotes out, you're left with a very clear discredit/deny strategy, without actual scumhunting present.
So In short, your slot has been saying "no no no, bad bad bad, faulty logic" but not once, justified a read. Or come with a question that would lead me to believe solving the game is in their mind.
@Mind: scum love to get the town to hunt for an SK because it takes focus away from themselves. Which is why bringing up the possibility of a neutral before there is any proof of a neutral is often a show of scum mindset.
Roger tried to explain that.
Why are you replying to a post directed at Grape?
@Mind: scum love to get the town to hunt for an SK because it takes focus away from themselves. Which is why bringing up the possibility of a neutral before there is any proof of a neutral is often a show of scum mindset.
Roger tried to explain that.
Why are you replying to a post directed at Grape?
So you think me asking about the setup, in the way I did, is me trying to take away focus from hunting scum? I just want to make sure I understand. I don't really see that leap, myself, since the whole point of my post is to say "hey, I shouldn't waste my time right? That's what my intuition is telling me". I'm not saying "oh we should start looking". I mean I see your point, but clearly from my phrasing I don't think it's likely, and am just making sure I understand mafia setup enough to make that assumption, given the flavor.
As far as answering for Grape, I am pretty sure I didn't answer the question you asked him. I think you're trying to intimate that I'm somehow chainsawing here, but to be honest you're asking Grape a question about your slot and mine. I felt that I could follow up on a slightly different angle, since I don't understand that mindset in the first place. I don't see that it affects Grape's answer about what's so bad about pressuring me on it.
So I got distracted by Metallica tickets and work oops.
Ok, do work then or you're going to end up being lynched. If you're town please correct this. If you are scum just save us the day and claim scum, thanks!
I see, then that's what I meant. Or more accurately, I'm wondering what instance Shinichi was thinking of when he said I was good at faking this kind of interaction, because I don't recall any.
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So based on that vote count I was gone for 5 days (maybe longer?) and nothing happened? Like I got some votes for I assume......lurking? And now people are also talking about an SK? lol what's really going on here?
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One quick reply: Shinichi rather than just saying I shouldn't be confident in my read of Roger because it's early can you point to what's wrong with it? I really don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with that post.
Welcome Rhand!
Which post also how come u never freaking quote me lol why do u also @ me.
MAybe im just to used to small phases so idk what to think about reads right now normally I say a read this early is prob not too accurate but its almost been 2 weeks which is like the avaerage length of games im used to. So maybe you read was actually spot on only time can tell.
I don't have much of a case but I'm fairly certain Wheat_Grinder is scum. Literally none of their reads make sense and it all seems like scum just trying to look busy. Regardless of whether Vaimes is town or scum (he's more town than scum to me atm), no one should be that focused on one player this early.
@Wheat_Grinder
Who are your suspects besides Vaimes?
There it is. I'm sad I missed it happening in real time.
If you think no one should be focused on one player that much this early then why are you okay with Vaimes when he was so laser-focused on me? And still thought I was town?
Please prove you're actually participating by giving reads on players and highlighting anything that jumps out at you as being alignment indicative.
TIA.
There goes any chance I'd move my vote today.
It's just so anti-Vaimes.
Yay Rhand became someone I don't have reads on.
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Vaimes is 100% scum, RE1031 is his buddy (both for chainsawing and on his own).
Grapefruit, Mindreaver, and Shinichi are all town.
Terry is lean town.
I don't have strong thoughts about Quickhoodies or Rhand.
I have strong feelings about kpaca which are ultimately inconclusive on their own. Vaimes' behavior makes me lean town on him overall though.
AtheistGod is really far in the background it feels like. And I have a gut bad feeling about shadow. I'm thinking one of those two is likely the third scum but there's really just not enough there.
May I ask what ya mean by organic?
So from what i'm reading you think that re1031 and Vaimes interaction are completely faked leading to it being S v Sright?
If I May ask a 2nd question what is so anti vaimes about that post I don't know him at all it seems like a pretty norm post.
AG is lurking survivor I figured out the game completely \ o /.
@Re1031 I don't think its an exaggeration I mean I can read the thread myself and what WG is seeing i also see. It's just different opinion's on the alignment of the interactions.
@QH I hate ur post lol can't u back read in smaller posts like *****.
Yes creating false accusations is scummy but if you believe thats the only thing that could be gotten from the post then sure i am a hypocrit, but it's not like we 100% know that was the meaning of the post.
Man i hate that your pocketing me, you might even be scum because of it. I just gah i can't stand the fact that i'm being pocketed but cant get a good read on you at all.
1. The assertion that I've been focusing on him more than I've been focusing on Shinichi is...wrong, not to mention self-centered. Again. Pushing a lie that blatant as scum would be ???.
2. I'm not following the "Terry good > RE bad" progression.
3. "It's just so anti-Vaimes" ??? what do you presume to know about me.
The assertion is wrong me and you both know it, but how is it self centered? His obvious was just blantly wrong i feel.
I know nothing about you which is why I see everything your doing as town aligned, i'm hoping others will sign some light on scum vaimes if hes present in this game.
vote: Wheat_Grinder
Asking questions won't get me that far if it isn't coupled with this.
Why terry to WG?
I've been eyeing WG for quite a bit of time, and my vote on Terry was cause I was annoyed at his "hypocrisy". I think I've voted 5 different people so far, but this is the vote I'm most confident in.
While for re1031 I can tell her reaction is genuine but I also know she is very good at faking this kind of interaction which is why i suggested the probability of the other options.
When have I faked this before? I've been scum only once (since I got back into mafia) and converted cult member in another. I don't think I did much faking in either...
The fact that you didn't just roll with the statement or turnn it into a joke worries me, why are you so serious about a statement like that if you know it's not true. Town can be hypocrits too, i do it quite a fair bit do to my bad memory. Other than that is there a major reason for your vote?
so... you're faking this now? Seems like a legit slip. Processing... a
Where did I say that I was faking this now?
There is so much CFTWR going on (caught for the wrong reasons).
Where do you get your blind certainty? I want some of that.
Man now i realize why i mislynch you so much, its cause of your blantly overreaction to every post that quotes you lmao. Also why the need for sarcasm?
@Re1031 I don't think its an exaggeration I mean I can read the thread myself and what WG is seeing i also see. It's just different opinion's on the alignment of the interactions.
I don't know if that's actually true... You ask if WG if they're thinking that the interaction between me and Vaimes is faked, so SvS, but there is no me vs. Vaimes, it's always been me vs. Terry. And then in #435 you say that WG is wrong about Vaimes focusing on him more than you. So I'm not sure why you're defending his reads if you don't agree with them or understand them.
While for re1031 I can tell her reaction is genuine but I also know she is very good at faking this kind of interaction which is why i suggested the probability of the other options.
When have I faked this before? I've been scum only once (since I got back into mafia) and converted cult member in another. I don't think I did much faking in either...
The fact that you didn't just roll with the statement or turnn it into a joke worries me, why are you so serious about a statement like that if you know it's not true. Town can be hypocrits too, i do it quite a fair bit do to my bad memory. Other than that is there a major reason for your vote?
I'm asking you because I don't remember ever faking a reaction like that. I'm also asking because if you can't give me an example of when I faked, that means you either forgot, or you threw shade on me to make to me an even bigger suspect. The major reason for my vote is WG has been throwing the "scum" word around a lot without actually backing their reads up. When I asked them to provide a scum read other than "Vaimes is 100% scum," WG said I was, which doesn't actually help me and certainly does not change my read on them.
so... you're faking this now? Seems like a legit slip. Processing... a
Where did I say that I was faking this now?
There is so much CFTWR going on (caught for the wrong reasons).
Where do you get your blind certainty? I want some of that.
Man now i realize why i mislynch you so much, its cause of your blantly overreaction to every post that quotes you lmao. Also why the need for sarcasm?
No, just the posts that accuse me of being scum for silly reasons. You even admitted that Terry's read on me was hypocritical, and now Terry and WG are treating my question as a slip for faking annoyance. Trust me, I am annoyed at them.
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One quick reply: Shinichi rather than just saying I shouldn't be confident in my read of Roger because it's early can you point to what's wrong with it? I really don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with that post.
Welcome Rhand!
Which post also how come u never freaking quote me lol why do u also @ me.
MAybe im just to used to small phases so idk what to think about reads right now normally I say a read this early is prob not too accurate but its almost been 2 weeks which is like the avaerage length of games im used to. So maybe you read was actually spot on only time can tell.
Because managing quote trees on mobile sucks. I'll find it and quote it.
Okay now my phone isn't quoting at all... Shinichi it's 380. So if you can respond to that previously asked question wrt that post that would be great.
Rhand normally I agree bringing it up would be a red flag, but this flavor is about serial killers and he brought it up in a dismissive way.
Kpaca it definitely has slowed down. Doesn't mean you are town or being voted just for lurking..
I've mostly stopped reading RE and Terry. I need to fix that.
Can someone tell me what quickhoodies giant post was about? I can't open spoilers on my phone...
I'm all caught up, and uhhh I don't really have anything to add, plus my previous post is mostly unanswered. Terry VS RE1031 looks town but 1: I've never seen RE1031 being this flustered, and 2: I think I get what Grape means when he's saying he feels like Terry could be scum.
Shadow hasn't added much so my scumread on him feels crappy but it hasn't changed and I don't see why it would have.
I don't think it was any clear, but I don't get why you would unvote and leave it as an unvote. You didn't immediately vote for the person who took my place in the number 12 spot. If I'm still possibly scum to you, then you're not going to get anything out of leaving a vote on me for a very short period of time. Why did you unvote if you still thought I was scum?
Wew. People who look into votes this way always make the red alarm beep for me. I'm not sure I even get what's being told here.
You have posted a lot, but upon reflection I was having a tough time remembering anything you've said; maybe it's me, but for someone to post a significant amount and not make an impression is strange to me.
Yeah, that's probably you. I wouldn't scumread someone for the reason that I can't remember what he has posted, this seems somewhat selfish, and I would actually reread their posts instead. Unless you mean something like "nothing he has posted really had any impact," in which case I can definitely follow your logic.
Hmm whats wrong with these reads? You barely know Re1031 to me her read makes sense, and so does Terry's read. Coming from people that seem to love meta how u going to compare the 2 votes when 1 player you barely know. This actually feels surpisngly Hypocritical.
One day, the word 'hypocritical' will have been used so many times under so many situations that people won't even know what it means anymore.
If you think no one should be focused on one player that much this early then why are you okay with Vaimes when he was so laser-focused on me? And still thought I was town?
Hint: it's because you're scum.
Wait.
Who do you think you were laser-focusing? Think about it for half a second.
Hint: it was Vaimes.
(oh. d'aww, RE stole the smugness from me with his #392)
@Quick: you say " Anyway, people have been calling on Shin for not explaining his read but not on AG."
Does that lead to any conclusions at all? It seems like a weird thought to just put out there and not do anything with.
No it doesn't. I just noticed that people were saying Shinichi had weak reads or something (?) but not saying anything about AG who just came in for the sake of it. AG got called on though, by now. That thought is like 10 days old, from when I initially started catching up, and I just inserted it in my post.
@Mind: scum love to get the town to hunt for an SK because it takes focus away from themselves. Which is why bringing up the possibility of a neutral before there is any proof of a neutral is often a show of scum mindset.
I have literally NEVER seen a town hunt for the SK, unless all the mafia are eliminated. In my opinion, it's impossible to entirely remove the focus from the mafia. We all know that the mafia is who we should be hunting right now, and it's what we've been doing anyway. Discussing the SK doesn't take away from that. I mean, how do you even go "this post isn't very scummy, but I can say that it looks quite SK-y!"
So based on that vote count I was gone for 5 days (maybe longer?) and nothing happened? Like I got some votes for I assume......lurking? And now people are also talking about an SK? lol what's really going on here?
@QH I hate ur post lol can't u back read in smaller posts like *****.
Yes creating false accusations is scummy but if you believe thats the only thing that could be gotten from the post then sure i am a hypocrit, but it's not like we 100% know that was the meaning of the post.
Man i hate that your pocketing me, you might even be scum because of it. I just gah i can't stand the fact that i'm being pocketed but cant get a good read on you at all.
I dislike when you take 30 consecutive posts to reply to everything so I guess we're even <3
Nah it just felt weird to me when you said "scum wouldn't ask questions to push the thread" then directly followed with "scum would try to create false accusations" because from how I see it, doing the latter implies doing the former.
It's not pocketing if I'm town. I know you're not used to being townread but I'm not voting you toDay. You can take a breather now.
Ok, everyone has their own posting style, some like walls, some like a multiple post responding to points as they go. So I'll tell you where I'm at right now.
I wouldn't be surprised if the scum team was Rhand, Kpaca and RE or even if there was one or more scum in that group. I would get behind lynching any of those players today. I feel like giving Rhand a bit of time since he just subbed in for Roger and my read was on Roger, not so much Rhand. I feel like RE could be hot-headed town, but also feel like I might be cutting them too much slack for some of the things I've seen. Kpaca has done nothing this game.
Can anyone tell me if this is typical Kpaca? The fact that he came in here to say that nothing has changed and yet do nothing to change things bugs the crap out of me. Is there any reason not to Lynch him today?
Ok, everyone has their own posting style, some like walls, some like a multiple post responding to points as they go. So I'll tell you where I'm at right now.
I wouldn't be surprised if the scum team was Rhand, Kpaca and RE or even if there was one or more scum in that group. I would get behind lynching any of those players today. I feel like giving Rhand a bit of time since he just subbed in for Roger and my read was on Roger, not so much Rhand. I feel like RE could be hot-headed town, but also feel like I might be cutting them too much slack for some of the things I've seen. Kpaca has done nothing this game.
Can anyone tell me if this is typical Kpaca? The fact that he came in here to say that nothing has changed and yet do nothing to change things bugs the crap out of me. Is there any reason not to Lynch him today?
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I'm fine with Rhand, AG, or Kpaca at this point. I'm not voting for RE though, I actually think a lot of the recent responses have been decent. I could see an argument of over-sensitivity, but it's something I'm more inclined to watch. I suspect that scum would have either toned it down trying to mold themselves into something else, or wouldn't have cared so much in the first place. I thought you two were T vs T because in addition to both of you doing the whole Aggro/Aggro Response dance, which I don't know that two people can fake easily, you both also could have EASILY stopped once resistance was applied. If one of you was scum, I don't know that you want attention drawn to you like that. Not when you have the option of just saying "oh ok, thanks for the explanation" and having it dropped. I mean, maybe I'm wrong there, but whats the endgame there for either of you? You convince us to lynch RE and she flips town? We're going to scrutinize you tomorrow. and vice versa. Not a smart long term plan. So in short, I don't see lynching either of you today. If we see flips later, it might be worth revisiting.
What do you think about Vaimes proclaiming your interactions as T vs T, and what that means about him?
Oh, and I left out that I could be persuaded to vote Shadow as well. I don't have a great sense of him this game.
Shin/Grape/Terry as never votes this week.
Vaimes/WG/RE I won't vote without something crazy coming up. Mostly I'd like to see what develops there.
Quick, I wouldn't shed any tears over, but my gut says he's fine.
I'm all caught up, and uhhh I don't really have anything to add, plus my previous post is mostly unanswered. Terry VS RE1031 looks town but 1: I've never seen RE1031 being this flustered
I mean, maybe I'm wrong there, but whats the endgame there for either of you? You convince us to lynch RE and she flips town? We're going to scrutinize you tomorrow. and vice versa.
I'm not interested in lynching Terry yet, mainly because I would say that Rhand is probably the safest lynch for today. Will never get over that unexplained flavor slip until I see a flip. If I don't see WG getting lynched today, then I'll probably switch to Rhand.
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*pats re1031 dearest dont let your emotions get the best of you, people will do them and you will do you. To expect otherwise is just wrong XD.
Roger is def american lol, i just forgot from where. I'm gonna add a small input here i've replaced out as town due to just being overly busy before, I mean if your busy I dont think alignments gonna stop you from asking to be replaced lmao.
I really like this response, +1 townie points. Prob the best explanation of how a read list actually works i've ever had the privilege of reading, As scum I don't think you would even try to do something like show weakness in reads or hold accountability if you were scum.
Why terry to WG?
Lol i should just stop doubting your posts if this is how ur gonna react every god damn time.
On the contrary I'm also ranking the possibility of it being T v T alot higher than the rest, I just wanted to make sure you believe the other options are still out there instead of letting your judgement get clouded.
I can't really say for sure why I am always scum read, I think vaimes already picked up on one of the reasons lol. It may be coupled with the fact that when i first started playing mafia, I was scum 4 times in a row so many people found it easy to read me. Why do you think people always scum read based on my posts in this game alone?
2 Biggest problems I have
1.Bad Memory so i tend to contradict myself.
2.I'm really bad at building cases and explaining my reads.
Fair enough response atleast your actually giving me into a glimpse of why people may be seeing T v T. You are right though most of if not all the players from this site prob know terry so I can read or gather any sort of scum vibe I mostly get town vibe. While for re1031 I can tell her reaction is genuine but I also know she is very good at faking this kind of interaction which is why i suggested the probability of the other options. As i stated with vaimes I'm still in belief its T v T I'm just keeping my options open since I know one of the players very well.
If they are both scum I'm getting played very hard.
Do you mean this post? Or their interactions?
I've been eyeing WG for quite a bit of time, and my vote on Terry was cause I was annoyed at his "hypocrisy". I think I've voted 5 different people so far, but this is the vote I'm most confident in.
When have I faked this before? I've been scum only once (since I got back into mafia) and converted cult member in another. I don't think I did much faking in either...
Where did I say that I was faking this now?
Can you explain me why you're voting him / me?
Next up will be Mind because with reading my predecessors posts, I same some quotes of his that I didn't like at all.
That pretty much sums up why I'm voting him/you. Well minus the pressure part. Didn't care for that much either. That said I'll give you a chance to work and try this in the mean time.
Vote: Kpaca
FYI still not fully caught up. Will try to keep up but playing while traveling sucks.
What is wrong with putting pressure on the first guy that brings up the SK?
Now, you can't speak for Roger. and I don't really expect you to. But I am interested in why you think he was onto something with this "Mind said the word SK, so pressure him on that". When I truly, truly, do not understand how it would have benefited scum!mindreaver to bring it up at all. Or why a town!mindreaver would never think in those terms.
So I guess that's the problem with putting pressure on me for this. I don't, think this was something alignment indicative in the first place. I just don't understand that thought process. I don't really mind the pressure itself, it's the thought behind why your slot was applying it.
Now, as for why I'm comfortable lynching your slot, Roger spent an awful lot of time being a language lawyer about posts, without generating a single lick of content. I'm also taking Grape's post into account, because once you DO strip those quotes out, you're left with a very clear discredit/deny strategy, without actual scumhunting present.
So In short, your slot has been saying "no no no, bad bad bad, faulty logic" but not once, justified a read. Or come with a question that would lead me to believe solving the game is in their mind.
There is so much CFTWR going on (caught for the wrong reasons).
Where do you get your blind certainty? I want some of that.
Roger tried to explain that.
Why are you replying to a post directed at Grape?
As far as answering for Grape, I am pretty sure I didn't answer the question you asked him. I think you're trying to intimate that I'm somehow chainsawing here, but to be honest you're asking Grape a question about your slot and mine. I felt that I could follow up on a slightly different angle, since I don't understand that mindset in the first place. I don't see that it affects Grape's answer about what's so bad about pressuring me on it.
"When have I faked this before"
This implies that you are currently faking it now, but have not faked it before.
Does it? I'm no grammar expert. How else would you have phrased the question?
"When have I ever faked it?"
Give me your answer true.
I'm half-crazy
All for the likes of you.
We won't have a stylish marriage;
I can't afford a carriage.
But I'll throw you a fete
In your lunette
Until the blade drops true.
Votecount 1.4 - With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Vaimes (2): Wheat_Grinder, kpaca
kpaca (3): AtheistGod, Vaimes, Grapefruit21
Shinichi (1): shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (1): Mindreaver
Rhand (1): TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Wheat_Grinder (1): RE1031
shadowlancerx (1): Quickhoodies
Not Voting: Rhand, Shinichi
Please inform me of any errors.
Deadline is at 0900 hours MDT on Friday June 29th.
I see, then that's what I meant. Or more accurately, I'm wondering what instance Shinichi was thinking of when he said I was good at faking this kind of interaction, because I don't recall any.
when god was giving out oily faucets that's what i was given
Which post also how come u never freaking quote me lol why do u also @ me.
MAybe im just to used to small phases so idk what to think about reads right now normally I say a read this early is prob not too accurate but its almost been 2 weeks which is like the avaerage length of games im used to. So maybe you read was actually spot on only time can tell.
May I ask what ya mean by organic?
So from what i'm reading you think that re1031 and Vaimes interaction are completely faked leading to it being S v Sright?
If I May ask a 2nd question what is so anti vaimes about that post I don't know him at all it seems like a pretty norm post.
AG is lurking survivor I figured out the game completely \ o /.
@Re1031 I don't think its an exaggeration I mean I can read the thread myself and what WG is seeing i also see. It's just different opinion's on the alignment of the interactions.
I replied to this somewhere i swear unless i'm losing my mind it might be at the start of page 8.
Yes creating false accusations is scummy but if you believe thats the only thing that could be gotten from the post then sure i am a hypocrit, but it's not like we 100% know that was the meaning of the post.
Man i hate that your pocketing me, you might even be scum because of it. I just gah i can't stand the fact that i'm being pocketed but cant get a good read on you at all.
The assertion is wrong me and you both know it, but how is it self centered? His obvious was just blantly wrong i feel.
I know nothing about you which is why I see everything your doing as town aligned, i'm hoping others will sign some light on scum vaimes if hes present in this game.
The fact that you didn't just roll with the statement or turnn it into a joke worries me, why are you so serious about a statement like that if you know it's not true. Town can be hypocrits too, i do it quite a fair bit do to my bad memory. Other than that is there a major reason for your vote?
Man now i realize why i mislynch you so much, its cause of your blantly overreaction to every post that quotes you lmao. Also why the need for sarcasm?
I don't know if that's actually true... You ask if WG if they're thinking that the interaction between me and Vaimes is faked, so SvS, but there is no me vs. Vaimes, it's always been me vs. Terry. And then in #435 you say that WG is wrong about Vaimes focusing on him more than you. So I'm not sure why you're defending his reads if you don't agree with them or understand them.
I'm asking you because I don't remember ever faking a reaction like that. I'm also asking because if you can't give me an example of when I faked, that means you either forgot, or you threw shade on me to make to me an even bigger suspect. The major reason for my vote is WG has been throwing the "scum" word around a lot without actually backing their reads up. When I asked them to provide a scum read other than "Vaimes is 100% scum," WG said I was, which doesn't actually help me and certainly does not change my read on them.
No, just the posts that accuse me of being scum for silly reasons. You even admitted that Terry's read on me was hypocritical, and now Terry and WG are treating my question as a slip for faking annoyance. Trust me, I am annoyed at them.
Because managing quote trees on mobile sucks. I'll find it and quote it.
Rhand normally I agree bringing it up would be a red flag, but this flavor is about serial killers and he brought it up in a dismissive way.
Kpaca it definitely has slowed down. Doesn't mean you are town or being voted just for lurking..
I've mostly stopped reading RE and Terry. I need to fix that.
Can someone tell me what quickhoodies giant post was about? I can't open spoilers on my phone...
Shadow hasn't added much so my scumread on him feels crappy but it hasn't changed and I don't see why it would have.
Wew. People who look into votes this way always make the red alarm beep for me. I'm not sure I even get what's being told here.
Yeah, that's probably you. I wouldn't scumread someone for the reason that I can't remember what he has posted, this seems somewhat selfish, and I would actually reread their posts instead. Unless you mean something like "nothing he has posted really had any impact," in which case I can definitely follow your logic.
One day, the word 'hypocritical' will have been used so many times under so many situations that people won't even know what it means anymore.
Wait.
Who do you think you were laser-focusing? Think about it for half a second.
Hint: it was Vaimes.
(oh. d'aww, RE stole the smugness from me with his #392)
No it doesn't. I just noticed that people were saying Shinichi had weak reads or something (?) but not saying anything about AG who just came in for the sake of it. AG got called on though, by now. That thought is like 10 days old, from when I initially started catching up, and I just inserted it in my post.
I have literally NEVER seen a town hunt for the SK, unless all the mafia are eliminated. In my opinion, it's impossible to entirely remove the focus from the mafia. We all know that the mafia is who we should be hunting right now, and it's what we've been doing anyway. Discussing the SK doesn't take away from that. I mean, how do you even go "this post isn't very scummy, but I can say that it looks quite SK-y!"
Ok, this kpaca guy can be scum.
I dislike when you take 30 consecutive posts to reply to everything so I guess we're even <3
Nah it just felt weird to me when you said "scum wouldn't ask questions to push the thread" then directly followed with "scum would try to create false accusations" because from how I see it, doing the latter implies doing the former.
It's not pocketing if I'm town. I know you're not used to being townread but I'm not voting you toDay. You can take a breather now.
I wouldn't be surprised if the scum team was Rhand, Kpaca and RE or even if there was one or more scum in that group. I would get behind lynching any of those players today. I feel like giving Rhand a bit of time since he just subbed in for Roger and my read was on Roger, not so much Rhand. I feel like RE could be hot-headed town, but also feel like I might be cutting them too much slack for some of the things I've seen. Kpaca has done nothing this game.
Can anyone tell me if this is typical Kpaca? The fact that he came in here to say that nothing has changed and yet do nothing to change things bugs the crap out of me. Is there any reason not to Lynch him today?
UNVOTE, VOTE: Kpaca
@Mind: I'll have to reread you to answer that. Tomorrow is a hectic day and now I need to sleep.
I hope I get some real reads in before deadline.
As in not artificial. Not in any way trying to mislead.
Have they had many interactions? Mostly they've talked about each other but not to each other.
But yes I do believe both are scum.
I don't expect Vaimes to, when asked a question, completely blow it off because he doesn't like who asked it.
And? I know I laser-focused Vaimes. It's because I want him lynched.
What do you think about Vaimes proclaiming your interactions as T vs T, and what that means about him?
Shin/Grape/Terry as never votes this week.
Vaimes/WG/RE I won't vote without something crazy coming up. Mostly I'd like to see what develops there.
Quick, I wouldn't shed any tears over, but my gut says he's fine.
I demand to know who you are >:(
I'm not interested in lynching Terry yet, mainly because I would say that Rhand is probably the safest lynch for today. Will never get over that unexplained flavor slip until I see a flip. If I don't see WG getting lynched today, then I'll probably switch to Rhand.
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Question: Where is the deadline posted? I can't find it.
Work is busy, I'll have myself a reread Monday.