I don't think it's at all too early to show conviction. I don't particularly enjoy prolonging RVS on this site simply because I'm not as close with the members here (yet!) and personally the early fluff bores me compared to my homesite. I'd rather jump right into the game.
(I did hold off on serious!voting kpaca even earlier, though, just to let you guys have a biiit more fun!)
Countering a potential read with "no stop that it's null" but not making an attempt to figure out if I'm town/scum for it displays a complete lack of interest in my alignment. If you disagree beyond the initial dislike of my conviction, please walk me through why.
I don't think ur town for that specific reason, the conviction is what gives me the slight town read its still over the top. Also RVS is part of the game to push it to the side or just try to pass it in general is weird. As town RVS can help give a good start or even catch slips, as scum its more likely they want to avoid that phase dont you think?
Ok, caught up. Ummm, I'm not excited by anything so far... I mean besides the flavor posts which are GREAT! People aren't doing anything eye popping yet. I'll check back later and start some fires.
@Shinichi I saw an entrance that felt uncomfortable tonewise, tried to cram a ton of words in, and didn't really say anything.
Well now that i read this I get what ya mean, for an entrance it was alot and pretty much over exxagerated. So you think he's trying to buy townie points by coming in strong?
Yup, that was my take on it. Effort and by extension walls tend to garner town feelings, so I am a bit suspicious of one so early with so little in it. I could very well be wrong, but of the little that's happened that's the thing that sticks out the most.
Ohhh and Vaimes is probably town. If he isn't hopefully my Voxx-sense will kick in and it will be obvious D2 onward anyway.
Vaimes is giving me the same feeling that Corrupted Purity gives me, I think you know what i mean by that. He even feels like penta at times for now he does seem town through the way he questioned me but i am still wary.
I do know what you mean by referring to CP, but I have kind of the opposite feeling. Regardless of comparisons (which I'm glad I don't have to explain !) I think town pile, but still wary is a very sensible spot to have landed.
Hey Grapefruit, since everyone else is, can I pocket you as well?
I feel like asking this is something a player that is afraid of being caught would ask but maybe im looking way to into this statement
@grapefruit This something i notice alot, but its possible mindreaver read that small line about quickhoodies that you posted before posting his own message just a possibility tho.
@Mindreaver compared to hoodies post i quite like your entrance you started off with a vote and explained in detail even tho small of why you voted him. Do you think his overreaction was scum motivated or town motivated tho? I feel as tho it was more town motivated than anything.
Can you explain why you think QuickHoodies post was town motivated?
And yeah, it's more likely than not Mind drew the same conclusion independantly and it's what I truly believe happened, but I'm typing it out to force myself to remain aware of the possible pocket attempt.
And I can confirm Shadow is a well know pocketeer, and that was a post that with context is hilarious for me.
@Shadow Bravo! And on Kpaca's scum game, he's always prickly but in the scum game it was used in a way that was very different to how it was used in Revolution. But it's tough to draw conclusions even though I really want to. Was curious on your perspective as given your experience you might have more insight, but given the way the game has developed I don't think it's worthwhile anymore.
@Vaimes FUD'ing is a fun one. I picked it up when someone dunked on me with it my last scum game.
Ohhh and I like Terry's entrance even though I have no earthly reason to. I should probably keep an eye on that.
FOS: QUickHoodie - Why are you so tryhard? You have the longest post to date (or did ), and it's about literally nothing. I get wanting to make content. But is that coming from a "I feel pressure to help solve the game and demonstrate my towniness"? or is it from "zomg, if I don't start posting something, I"ll be marked as a lurker". Not sure yet.
I hope I won't end up getting lynched for the length of my posts because that'd be a spectacular first in my mafia game history. This is how I've always played my mafia games, by the way: small-lengthed activity bursts where I take the time to catch up with the thread by responding to all that I want to respond to in a single comment. I go in order and sometimes I won't even delete an earlier response while I'm typing my catch-up post if I stumble on another post that makes me change my mind. Then I add whatever other thoughts I see fit. There are times when I'm here for a longer time and can respond in real time, but let it be known that I never lurk. I don't think I can get something out of lurking as townie because I'm not a 'I have deep secret plans to bait mafia' type of guy, and I never had the guts to lurk as mafia. Anyway, these long posts of mine will be common, I'm letting everyone know of this in case anyone can't deduce after a few posts that this is just how I roll. Besides, if there's a lot to catch up to, the catch-up post will naturally end up long. Simple as that.
But the problem here for you seems to not be this, but rather that my posts are about nothing. I don't even feel the need to talk about how I very rarely see mafia get caught for posting fluff (and so that I very rarely rely on this reason to suspect someone), because it's not even true that my 'longest post to date was about literally nothing.' Let's try to see why, alright?
27: Here after the first quote, I defend kpaca. I ended my point with some doubt, but what got me to reply to Shinichi was that I didn't get why he called him aggressive when all kpaca was doing was picking on Shinichi for saying something like 'yummy... new members to mess with!'. To me, Shin was joking here but kpaca's response doesn't feel misplaced.
Under the second quote, I say that I probably won't depend on meta because I can't be bothered to look into the games of people here unless I get highly recommended to do it by someone. Then I lay down obvious joke-suspicions on shadowlx and RE1031 because I'm that type of guy who can insert useless stuff in his posts. Then I say I'll pay close attention to Shinichi because he's the only one I'm actually comfortable with, so he's the one I'll meta-read among all the players, if I ever even end up meta-reading people.
Then I added a vote on Mindreaver under the claim of wanting to create something to work with. Didn't expect my vote to do something drastic or anything, but it was the first doubled vote, so hey.
#31: I think you can see here that I'm back to being neutral on kpaca because 'My game plan is working on you as we speak' is the most bait-worthy line ever and I'm not even sure why anyone would say that if not a fearless mafia or a pretentious townie who thinks he's actually delivering blows. At the moment of writing this, I find him to be a chaotic player, but I have no solid thoughts on his alignment.
#68: You can ignore what I say to Grape here, I'm pretty much having some cocky fun because I know who he is and he doesn't know who I am. Doesn't really change the game anyway because I'm sure he's not that familiar with my game even if I tell him who I am (on the other site which we've played slightly together on) (and chances are he can guess me by considering how I type up my posts) but if for some reason he's about to lynch me I'll just tell him who I am and he can meta-read me or whatever to make sure of his suspicions, because apparently he does that.
Then I suspect Wheat_Grinder for odd wording and lose track of Shin's line of thinking. I'm not even sure if #52 is sarcastic or plain good-natured.
Then I agree with Vaimes that kpaca's #59 is a weird defense to do as a mafia. I also understand from Vaimes that he reads kpaca as a mafia fishing for town cred ('I don't buy that read at all. Like not even remotely'). Which I'm not even sure makes sense with the whole 'kpaca is aggressive' thing because why would a mafia going for town cred take the aggressive route? (note: Vaimes didn't say kpaca is aggressive like Shinichi did but he did say his posts irked him) Which goes back to my thinking that kpaca is chaotic and probably takes some effort and conviction to read. But I suppose some people here have different opinions on this because they've actually played with him in the past.
These were my only relevant posts. I understand that 'long posts which say nothing' can be more suspicious than 'no posts at all.' But I honestly don't feel like my posts say nothing, and the fact that I write more than necessary is just because I tend to type a lot naturally, not because I feel pressure. Apparently Grape agrees with your read on me so if that's how my posts come off as, I'll try harder at catching scum with my first post next time.
I don't think it's at all too early to show conviction. I don't particularly enjoy prolonging RVS on this site simply because I'm not as close with the members here (yet!) and personally the early fluff bores me compared to my homesite. I'd rather jump right into the game.
This post from Vaimes seems genuine. You can argue that mafia can try to get the game moving, but I'm of opinion that they usually drag it out as much as possible, kind of like what Mindreaver says I've been doing, haha. So yeah, go-getters are pretty OK in my book!
Why didn't you even ask what he liked about it in the first place?
Didn't he indirectly question him about that anyway? He talks about how he doesn't see a reason to like it. That's pretty much the same as saying 'wait, why are you linking it?'
Man you're reading way to into that post lol, thats my opinion of grape and his question. Your free to do what you like with that information while i am free to do what I like with it.
Town vibes because of a carefree Shinichi and a carefree Shinichi is usually a townie Shinichi. I tell you all, I've studied the Shinichi. I have a doctorate in Shinichi. (just slight town vibes though, don't think I'm too serious)
I don't think ur town for that specific reason, the conviction is what gives me the slight town read its still over the top. Also RVS is part of the game to push it to the side or just try to pass it in general is weird. As town RVS can help give a good start or even catch slips, as scum its more likely they want to avoid that phase dont you think?
Not sure why mafia would go out of their way to avoid that phase. So no, I don't think so myself. Also are you townreading Vaimes or not? You like his conviction but don't like it when RVS gets pushed to the side, which Vaimes gleefully did.
Hey Grapefruit, since everyone else is, can I pocket you as well?
I feel like asking this is something a player that is afraid of being caught would ask but maybe im looking way to into this statement
Ah, I get what you're saying. shadowlancerx wasn't pocketing Grape though, so if he said this I think it's more because he wanted to throw punches at whoever was 'pocketing' Grape. Basically putting blame on people, maybe.
I pocket people, it's something I'm somewhat known for, this was a joke for Grapefruit. If I actually want to pocket him, I will, and he'll not even know what happened. (See I'm doing it right now and he doesn't even have a clue)
LOL. I see now what you were thinking, maybe I was wrong then. I like you.
(see what I did there?)
And yeah, it's more likely than not Mind drew the same conclusion independantly and it's what I truly believe happened, but I'm typing it out to force myself to remain aware of the possible pocket attempt.
I can't prove it, obviously. But I was in no way trying to pocket you. I was trying to see if you'd chainsaw me if I attacked Vaimes. I don't care much about about finding myself townread at this point. And certainly there is value in building a coalition, but I'm not going to do what AG just did, and come in, say "vaimes and grape, shadow too, wooooooo".
FOS: QUickHoodie - Why are you so tryhard? You have the longest post to date (or did ), and it's about literally nothing. I get wanting to make content. But is that coming from a "I feel pressure to help solve the game and demonstrate my towniness"? or is it from "zomg, if I don't start posting something, I"ll be marked as a lurker". Not sure yet.
I hope I won't end up getting lynched for the length of my posts because that'd be a spectacular first in my mafia game history. This is how I've always played my mafia games, by the way: small-lengthed activity bursts where I take the time to catch up with the thread by responding to all that I want to respond to in a single comment... blah blah blah blah blah
Omg that was painful slog. I was specifically referring to your post #27, subsection 3. Lol. Where you talked about stuff you obviously were making up and then made a joke about it. I don't know you well enough, but basing reads(?) on stuf you know is dubious and then saying that you know what you're doing is dubious, makes YOU even more dubious. But it might just be your posting style.
So why the worry that you're going to get lynched over the length of your posts? Cause Grape agreed? You seem antsy.
Not exactly sure. So far my notes are that he might be scummy for exactly the reasons you've noted. Basically not taking that "next step" that people who haven't solved the game might take. But that doesn't help me much right now, since he's never played here before, I've never played with him, and I have no idea what his skill level is.
So @Shinichi: What's your history? Are you a rockstar?
I mean, that's what struck me about you. Not that you picked up on that stuff, but how quickly you went from 0 to 100. I'm gonna go read the rest of your responses, because i just glossed over it quickly earlier. I was more interested to see how you and Grapefruit would respond, specifically if I could see if you were scum that were pleased how you'd positioned yourselves.
I'll comment on Kpaca as well. Seems like he just playing a "I'm drop one-liners" game for now. But I don't see him having much of an agenda. Like, I just don't see him steering the convo any particular place or making anyone in particular looks suspect. I'll feel better when he stops with the games, and has content. But I don't see a smoking gun either.
I got like 30 games under my belt but i don't consider myself that decent of a player lol, i have experience but i aint to bright at times :P.
I tend to go from 100-0 instantly in all my games espically new communities I have no idea why, always that 1 person that doesnt like my posts :(.
Ohhh and Vaimes is probably town. If he isn't hopefully my Voxx-sense will kick in and it will be obvious D2 onward anyway.
Vaimes is giving me the same feeling that Corrupted Purity gives me, I think you know what i mean by that. He even feels like penta at times for now he does seem town through the way he questioned me but i am still wary.
Can we reference things that all of us know? What feelings does he give you? In what ways does he feel like <some dude I don't know>?
Vaimes is a semi-sentient robot, you don't have to worry about his feelings.
Don't worry i dont care about emotions in mafia they normally mean nothing, tho sometimes a good outburst can have some town motivation surrounding it. I'll try to reference things you all may know but ill also at times bring up players you may not know so bare with me.
I feel like they would slip easier because at any time scum need to be very careful what they say, so anyone that tries to skip such an important part of the game has a high chance of being scum.
Due to your reactions on my posts i believe your town if anything they seemed to have town motivation behind them. I don't like the focus on me coming from you, i just like the initial reaction and posts. Your post about me talkingn about rvs is good for catching scum seemed forced.
Outside of all of that It's possible your town but it is way to early to tell for sure.
The long defense of the previous walls isn't anything I cared for contentwise, but I liked how feisty it was. I feel QH slightly overrated their level of contribution but we all do when pressed over it so that's a normal NAI reaction.
I don't think it's at all too early to show conviction. I don't particularly enjoy prolonging RVS on this site simply because I'm not as close with the members here (yet!) and personally the early fluff bores me compared to my homesite. I'd rather jump right into the game.
This post from Vaimes seems genuine. You can argue that mafia can try to get the game moving, but I'm of opinion that they usually drag it out as much as possible, kind of like what Mindreaver says I've been doing, haha. So yeah, go-getters are pretty OK in my book!
This is pretty light. Falls under that similar lot of words but not saying a lot. But I kind of like the self conscious joke about RVS even if I think it misses Mind's point. More slight tonal hints of town.
Why didn't you even ask what he liked about it in the first place?
Didn't he indirectly question him about that anyway? He talks about how he doesn't see a reason to like it. That's pretty much the same as saying 'wait, why are you linking it?'
Man you're reading way to into that post lol, thats my opinion of grape and his question. Your free to do what you like with that information while i am free to do what I like with it.
Town vibes because of a carefree Shinichi and a carefree Shinichi is usually a townie Shinichi. I tell you all, I've studied the Shinichi. I have a doctorate in Shinichi. (just slight town vibes though, don't think I'm too serious)
I don't think ur town for that specific reason, the conviction is what gives me the slight town read its still over the top. Also RVS is part of the game to push it to the side or just try to pass it in general is weird. As town RVS can help give a good start or even catch slips, as scum its more likely they want to avoid that phase dont you think?
Not sure why mafia would go out of their way to avoid that phase. So no, I don't think so myself. Also are you townreading Vaimes or not? You like his conviction but don't like it when RVS gets pushed to the side, which Vaimes gleefully did.
Hey Grapefruit, since everyone else is, can I pocket you as well?
I feel like asking this is something a player that is afraid of being caught would ask but maybe im looking way to into this statement
Ah, I get what you're saying. shadowlancerx wasn't pocketing Grape though, so if he said this I think it's more because he wanted to throw punches at whoever was 'pocketing' Grape. Basically putting blame on people, maybe.
I pocket people, it's something I'm somewhat known for, this was a joke for Grapefruit. If I actually want to pocket him, I will, and he'll not even know what happened. (See I'm doing it right now and he doesn't even have a clue)
LOL. I see now what you were thinking, maybe I was wrong then. I like you.
(see what I did there?)
And I'm going to keep the last chunk together because I'm tired of formatting... Here I like the playful tone with Shadow. But I also like the content on Shinichi. It echos my own thoughts. He does feel relaxed and engaged, doing somethings I don't agree with, but that's par for the course with us (still <3 u Shin). Sitting at a town lean with some pointed questions is exactly where I'd expect someone who knows him to be.
Mindreaver, I don't really understand you complaining about there being nothing [to analyze], but criticizing me for my conviction (which implies I have content to dig through) and Quickhoodies for being a "tryhard."
Like...you say there's nothing, yet you have two pretty detailed scum/FOS reads. Barely on page two. No, that's too much conviction, etc.
That sure is three posts after one person scumreading you
Ok, caught up. Ummm, I'm not excited by anything so far... I mean besides the flavor posts which are GREAT! People aren't doing anything eye popping yet. I'll check back later and start some fires.
Why didn't you even ask what he liked about it in the first place?
Didn't he indirectly question him about that anyway? He talks about how he doesn't see a reason to like it. That's pretty much the same as saying 'wait, why are you linking it?'
So why go out of your way to call it soft if every read is soft?
What's with your pragmatics-based questions o.o
I don't like this follow up question to shadow. Isn't taking an extra step to try to see Shadow's motivation and figure out what it means. Scum+
On the contrary, I think shadowlancerx's questions fit this suggestion. They aren't actually questioning Quickhoodies' motives, or Shinichi's motives, but rather accusing them of having done something wrong.
@Shinichi besides us and Grapefruit, who else is from MAL? Is there anyone?
Why didn't you even ask what he liked about it in the first place?
Didn't he indirectly question him about that anyway? He talks about how he doesn't see a reason to like it. That's pretty much the same as saying 'wait, why are you linking it?'
So why go out of your way to call it soft if every read is soft?
What's with your pragmatics-based questions o.o
I don't like this follow up question to shadow. Isn't taking an extra step to try to see Shadow's motivation and figure out what it means. Scum+
On the contrary, I think shadowlancerx's questions fit this suggestion. They aren't actually questioning Quickhoodies' motives, or Shinichi's motives, but rather accusing them of having done something wrong.
I guess it was confusing because I lumped both together, but the question I didn't think was townie was the "why all the pragmatics based questions" part. I actually really liked the question they quoted there and gave me town vibes on Shadow. I did not like the dismissive response to it. Showed that lack of game solving intent that so often comes from scum. The first question replying to the part about Shinichi feels pretty neutral. Doesn't push me on way or another.
Turning it around what did you dislike about Shadow's posts? Just that exchange? And if so which part in particular.
Turning it around what did you dislike about Shadow's posts? Just that exchange? And if so which part in particular.
Their questions are accusations. There's no searching behind them, not for motive or clarity. They're about making someone look scummy but by putting it in the form of a question, it comes off not as an unwarranted accusation but gentle shade thrown in someone else's direction.
Maybe they're attempts to get a better feel of the other player, but that's what stands out to me most right now.
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1.Asking for someones scum game is something i see alot, so normally shouldnt mean much.
2.Grapefruit asks for specific games alot
3.For me meta prob wont help me find scum since everyone here is new to me except 4 people
Why didn't you even ask what he liked about it in the first place?
@shadowlancerx I pretty much had a rough idea of why he liked it so the question wasnt needed.
So you knew that he liked it because of the suspicion of kpaca, rather than him looking at a previous game in general? That's not what is reflected by your response to him.
I honestly don't get the point of these questions other than to make the other person look scummy. Maybe they're onto something with Shinichi, but I'd feel better about it if they were actual accusations instead of fishing for things that seem irrelevant to me.
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@RE I can definitely see that on the first quote and a bit on the third. The second I think is a very fair question though. That said I do agree on the first so
I feel like there's a chainsaw vote on me somewhere. It's probably kpaca.
Weird entrance, questionable townread on Shinichi, opportunistic vote hop.
I knew WG was gonna scumread me at some point based on how he treated me in that silly cult mini, so I'd probably be sketched out if he were townreading me early on.
Mindreaver is eh, wait and see. I think I've always scumread him in the past.
I still don't think Shinichi is town (wish other people would weigh in here, kinda feels like it's being brushed aside) so kpaca and his Good Posts TM will have to wait.
I especially want input from people who know him and how he plays.
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I...don't really see the questions-as-accusations thing. I think they're fair questions -- ones I've certainly thought myself. kpaca's weird townread, Shinichi not asking what I liked about Grapefruit's post, etc.
Re, could you tell me where you are with kpaca, QH, and Shinichi? Anything that sticks out to you?
Regarding my questions to Shinichi and kpaca, you're missing the point entirely. The answers to those questions aren't even super relevant, the point behind them is to get inside the other persons mindset and ask "Why?" For shin, he made a assumption regarding Vaimes liking grapefruit's kpaca suspicion; for kpaca, he unnecessarily qualified a read as soft when he said that every read at this stage is soft. I didn't ask those questions because the answers are going to be game changers, I asked them to get a feel for where each person was coming from. Irritatingly, I don't actually feel like I got much from either of them. Shinichi's responses felt okay, certainly nothing to write home about, and kpaca went back to being kpaca, so I'm kind of just waiting for him to do something that gives solid indication in one direction or another.Unvote
I quite liked Terry's entrance, it had a mix of fun and serious that I appreciate.
@Grapefruit: Regarding kpaca, the first game I ever played with him was Revolution, so as far as he goes, you actually probably know him better just due to reading murders in townville.
I especially want input from people who know him and how he plays.
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I...don't really see the questions-as-accusations thing. I think they're fair questions -- ones I've certainly thought myself. kpaca's weird townread, Shinichi not asking what I liked about Grapefruit's post, etc.
Re, could you tell me where you are with kpaca, QH, and Shinichi? Anything that sticks out to you?
I'm trying not to form a read on Shinichi because I always find myself scum reading him. And I want to this game for his general not digging further this game. For example when I asked him to guess why I voted for QH he couldn't find a textual reason and said something about trying to sort them out with a vote. But when provided with my reasoning kind of just went along with it. And that pattern repeats itself. I think it is more likely to come from scum. But like I said I have a horrible record reading him and don't trust myself to do so. Plus I can say from experience he isn't the fastest starter on D1.
Not in favor of a kpaca wagon right now. There is stuff there, but I don't think votes are going to accomplish anything this early.
Re, could you tell me where you are with kpaca, QH, and Shinichi? Anything that sticks out to you?
QH I like so far. When mini spats happen, I find myself rooting for him. Which could be a very bad thing.
kpaca came off to me as scummy, but it could just be their style.
Shinichi seems different, but that could be the effect of a new website. At the moment it's a tonal change, nothing concrete.
@shadowlancerx I can sorta see that. Usually when I try to find someone's reasoning behind a read, I straightforward ask for it, so maybe I'm unaccustomed to seeing it in a different form.
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I feel like there's a chainsaw vote on me somewhere. It's probably kpaca.
Weird entrance, questionable townread on Shinichi, opportunistic vote hop.
I knew WG was gonna scumread me at some point based on how he treated me in that silly cult mini, so I'd probably be sketched out if he were townreading me early on.
Mindreaver is eh, wait and see. I think I've always scumread him in the past.
I still don't think Shinichi is town (wish other people would weigh in here, kinda feels like it's being brushed aside) so kpaca and his Good Posts TM will have to wait.
I just read Shinichi's ISO, nothing jumped out at me as scummy. What's your concern with Shinichi?
Honestly this prob silly but this post alone gives huge town vibes, because he instead of skipping rvs actually incorporated it into his first post while also leaving it.
Ok, caught up. Ummm, I'm not excited by anything so far... I mean besides the flavor posts which are GREAT! People aren't doing anything eye popping yet. I'll check back later and start some fires.
It's only the first 3-4 days even in the small games i play in not eye popping every happens early actually nothing amazing ever happens on day 1 either.
@Shinichi I saw an entrance that felt uncomfortable tonewise, tried to cram a ton of words in, and didn't really say anything.
Well now that i read this I get what ya mean, for an entrance it was alot and pretty much over exxagerated. So you think he's trying to buy townie points by coming in strong?
Yup, that was my take on it. Effort and by extension walls tend to garner town feelings, so I am a bit suspicious of one so early with so little in it. I could very well be wrong, but of the little that's happened that's the thing that sticks out the most.
Few times ive seen post like this were from scum, Lucianroy which im sure you've plauyed with before always enters a game with a post like this sometimes you can tell from his post though what type of motivation they're coming from.
And yeah, it's more likely than not Mind drew the same conclusion independantly and it's what I truly believe happened, but I'm typing it out to force myself to remain aware of the possible pocket attempt.
I can't prove it, obviously. But I was in no way trying to pocket you. I was trying to see if you'd chainsaw me if I attacked Vaimes. I don't care much about about finding myself townread at this point. And certainly there is value in building a coalition, but I'm not going to do what AG just did, and come in, say "vaimes and grape, shadow too, wooooooo".
TBF you can't prove it, but i believe you more now tho just cause of what grapefruit said. Unless your both scum together then that just changes eerything lmfao.
FOS: QUickHoodie - Why are you so tryhard? You have the longest post to date (or did ), and it's about literally nothing. I get wanting to make content. But is that coming from a "I feel pressure to help solve the game and demonstrate my towniness"? or is it from "zomg, if I don't start posting something, I"ll be marked as a lurker". Not sure yet.
I hope I won't end up getting lynched for the length of my posts because that'd be a spectacular first in my mafia game history. This is how I've always played my mafia games, by the way: small-lengthed activity bursts where I take the time to catch up with the thread by responding to all that I want to respond to in a single comment... blah blah blah blah blah
Omg that was painful slog. I was specifically referring to your post #27, subsection 3. Lol. Where you talked about stuff you obviously were making up and then made a joke about it. I don't know you well enough, but basing reads(?) on stuf you know is dubious and then saying that you know what you're doing is dubious, makes YOU even more dubious. But it might just be your posting style.
So why the worry that you're going to get lynched over the length of your posts? Cause Grape agreed? You seem antsy.
I've seen people get scum read due to the amount of content included in post so its a possibility, But i think the worry comes from the notion that quite a few people commented on his first post and the length of it dont you think?
My only read right now is soft town on shinchi but I mean it's really to early to tell.
Getting slight town reads from the guy who i called aggresive, should i be worried.
you've got to be kidding me
can he really be scum with lines like that
Is this sarcasm? Because unless you have absolute proof hes town for me hes guilty just like everyone else.
Also I think you read this post wrong, or maybe my grammar just sucks. I was saying should i be worried that the person who i said was aggresive announced that he had a slight town read on me. I wasn't implying i town read him but like I said my grammar ****ed that sentence up pretty badly.
1.Asking for someones scum game is something i see alot, so normally shouldnt mean much.
2.Grapefruit asks for specific games alot
3.For me meta prob wont help me find scum since everyone here is new to me except 4 people
Why didn't you even ask what he liked about it in the first place?
@shadowlancerx I pretty much had a rough idea of why he liked it so the question wasnt needed.
So you knew that he liked it because of the suspicion of kpaca, rather than him looking at a previous game in general? That's not what is reflected by your response to him.
I honestly don't get the point of these questions other than to make the other person look scummy. Maybe they're onto something with Shinichi, but I'd feel better about it if they were actual accusations instead of fishing for things that seem irrelevant to me.
That's something i took note off to, ive seen it happen in plenty of my games. If anything it gives me a slight scum read of shadow a very small one at that tho, because asking questions to push the thread is not something scum would necessarily would do, but the would do it to try to create fasle accusations.
since we're talking about questions we hate, I want to point out how much I really friekin hate this post. Like what a bad post.
vote: vaemes
Its a pretty pointless post true but its also easy to answer this early game, though if anything I would consider these post meaningless unless you think people who try to paint themselves as town through trick questions as scum?
I agree with this, shadow feels town too.
There was a man lived in the moon,
And his name was Aiken Drum!
His heart was made of good roast beef, of good roast beef, of good roast beef,
His heart was made of good roast beef,
And his name was Aiken Drum!
A note on votecounts in this game: Wagons will be listed in the order they started, and players will be listed in the order they voted for the wagon.
Votecount 1.1
Mindreaver (2): Shinichi, Quickhoodies
Vaimes (1): Mindreaver
kpaca (2): AtheistGod, shadowlancerx
AtheistGod (1): RE1031
Shinichi (2): Wheat_Grinder, Vaimes
Quickhoodies (1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting: kpaca, Roger Sherman, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Please inform me of any errors.
Deadline is at 0900 hours MDT on Friday June 29th.
Give it your best guess with support.
VOTE: Shadow
ok RVS /out
UNVOTE: Shadow
Yup, that was my take on it. Effort and by extension walls tend to garner town feelings, so I am a bit suspicious of one so early with so little in it. I could very well be wrong, but of the little that's happened that's the thing that sticks out the most.
I do know what you mean by referring to CP, but I have kind of the opposite feeling. Regardless of comparisons (which I'm glad I don't have to explain !) I think town pile, but still wary is a very sensible spot to have landed.
Can you explain why you think QuickHoodies post was town motivated?
And yeah, it's more likely than not Mind drew the same conclusion independantly and it's what I truly believe happened, but I'm typing it out to force myself to remain aware of the possible pocket attempt.
And I can confirm Shadow is a well know pocketeer, and that was a post that with context is hilarious for me.
@Shadow Bravo! And on Kpaca's scum game, he's always prickly but in the scum game it was used in a way that was very different to how it was used in Revolution. But it's tough to draw conclusions even though I really want to. Was curious on your perspective as given your experience you might have more insight, but given the way the game has developed I don't think it's worthwhile anymore.
@Vaimes FUD'ing is a fun one. I picked it up when someone dunked on me with it my last scum game.
Ohhh and I like Terry's entrance even though I have no earthly reason to. I should probably keep an eye on that.
I hope I won't end up getting lynched for the length of my posts because that'd be a spectacular first in my mafia game history. This is how I've always played my mafia games, by the way: small-lengthed activity bursts where I take the time to catch up with the thread by responding to all that I want to respond to in a single comment. I go in order and sometimes I won't even delete an earlier response while I'm typing my catch-up post if I stumble on another post that makes me change my mind. Then I add whatever other thoughts I see fit. There are times when I'm here for a longer time and can respond in real time, but let it be known that I never lurk. I don't think I can get something out of lurking as townie because I'm not a 'I have deep secret plans to bait mafia' type of guy, and I never had the guts to lurk as mafia. Anyway, these long posts of mine will be common, I'm letting everyone know of this in case anyone can't deduce after a few posts that this is just how I roll. Besides, if there's a lot to catch up to, the catch-up post will naturally end up long. Simple as that.
But the problem here for you seems to not be this, but rather that my posts are about nothing. I don't even feel the need to talk about how I very rarely see mafia get caught for posting fluff (and so that I very rarely rely on this reason to suspect someone), because it's not even true that my 'longest post to date was about literally nothing.' Let's try to see why, alright?
27: Here after the first quote, I defend kpaca. I ended my point with some doubt, but what got me to reply to Shinichi was that I didn't get why he called him aggressive when all kpaca was doing was picking on Shinichi for saying something like 'yummy... new members to mess with!'. To me, Shin was joking here but kpaca's response doesn't feel misplaced.
Under the second quote, I say that I probably won't depend on meta because I can't be bothered to look into the games of people here unless I get highly recommended to do it by someone. Then I lay down obvious joke-suspicions on shadowlx and RE1031 because I'm that type of guy who can insert useless stuff in his posts. Then I say I'll pay close attention to Shinichi because he's the only one I'm actually comfortable with, so he's the one I'll meta-read among all the players, if I ever even end up meta-reading people.
Then I added a vote on Mindreaver under the claim of wanting to create something to work with. Didn't expect my vote to do something drastic or anything, but it was the first doubled vote, so hey.
#31: I think you can see here that I'm back to being neutral on kpaca because 'My game plan is working on you as we speak' is the most bait-worthy line ever and I'm not even sure why anyone would say that if not a fearless mafia or a pretentious townie who thinks he's actually delivering blows. At the moment of writing this, I find him to be a chaotic player, but I have no solid thoughts on his alignment.
#68: You can ignore what I say to Grape here, I'm pretty much having some cocky fun because I know who he is and he doesn't know who I am. Doesn't really change the game anyway because I'm sure he's not that familiar with my game even if I tell him who I am (on the other site which we've played slightly together on) (and chances are he can guess me by considering how I type up my posts) but if for some reason he's about to lynch me I'll just tell him who I am and he can meta-read me or whatever to make sure of his suspicions, because apparently he does that.
Then I suspect Wheat_Grinder for odd wording and lose track of Shin's line of thinking. I'm not even sure if #52 is sarcastic or plain good-natured.
Then I agree with Vaimes that kpaca's #59 is a weird defense to do as a mafia. I also understand from Vaimes that he reads kpaca as a mafia fishing for town cred ('I don't buy that read at all. Like not even remotely'). Which I'm not even sure makes sense with the whole 'kpaca is aggressive' thing because why would a mafia going for town cred take the aggressive route? (note: Vaimes didn't say kpaca is aggressive like Shinichi did but he did say his posts irked him) Which goes back to my thinking that kpaca is chaotic and probably takes some effort and conviction to read. But I suppose some people here have different opinions on this because they've actually played with him in the past.
These were my only relevant posts. I understand that 'long posts which say nothing' can be more suspicious than 'no posts at all.' But I honestly don't feel like my posts say nothing, and the fact that I write more than necessary is just because I tend to type a lot naturally, not because I feel pressure. Apparently Grape agrees with your read on me so if that's how my posts come off as, I'll try harder at catching scum with my first post next time.
This post from Vaimes seems genuine. You can argue that mafia can try to get the game moving, but I'm of opinion that they usually drag it out as much as possible, kind of like what Mindreaver says I've been doing, haha. So yeah, go-getters are pretty OK in my book!
Didn't he indirectly question him about that anyway? He talks about how he doesn't see a reason to like it. That's pretty much the same as saying 'wait, why are you linking it?'
What's with your pragmatics-based questions o.o
Town vibes because of a carefree Shinichi and a carefree Shinichi is usually a townie Shinichi. I tell you all, I've studied the Shinichi. I have a doctorate in Shinichi. (just slight town vibes though, don't think I'm too serious)
Not sure why mafia would go out of their way to avoid that phase. So no, I don't think so myself. Also are you townreading Vaimes or not? You like his conviction but don't like it when RVS gets pushed to the side, which Vaimes gleefully did.
Ah, I get what you're saying. shadowlancerx wasn't pocketing Grape though, so if he said this I think it's more because he wanted to throw punches at whoever was 'pocketing' Grape. Basically putting blame on people, maybe.
LOL. I see now what you were thinking, maybe I was wrong then. I like you.
(see what I did there?)
Also I've decided to officially make Grapefruit my first townread.
Now to read the QH wall.
Omg that was painful slog. I was specifically referring to your post #27, subsection 3. Lol. Where you talked about stuff you obviously were making up and then made a joke about it. I don't know you well enough, but basing reads(?) on stuf you know is dubious and then saying that you know what you're doing is dubious, makes YOU even more dubious. But it might just be your posting style.
So why the worry that you're going to get lynched over the length of your posts? Cause Grape agreed? You seem antsy.
@Grapefruit
What made you unvote?
I got like 30 games under my belt but i don't consider myself that decent of a player lol, i have experience but i aint to bright at times :P.
I tend to go from 100-0 instantly in all my games espically new communities I have no idea why, always that 1 person that doesnt like my posts :(.
Don't worry i dont care about emotions in mafia they normally mean nothing, tho sometimes a good outburst can have some town motivation surrounding it. I'll try to reference things you all may know but ill also at times bring up players you may not know so bare with me.
I feel like they would slip easier because at any time scum need to be very careful what they say, so anyone that tries to skip such an important part of the game has a high chance of being scum.
Due to your reactions on my posts i believe your town if anything they seemed to have town motivation behind them. I don't like the focus on me coming from you, i just like the initial reaction and posts. Your post about me talkingn about rvs is good for catching scum seemed forced.
Outside of all of that It's possible your town but it is way to early to tell for sure.
*Snip*
The long defense of the previous walls isn't anything I cared for contentwise, but I liked how feisty it was. I feel QH slightly overrated their level of contribution but we all do when pressed over it so that's a normal NAI reaction.
This is pretty light. Falls under that similar lot of words but not saying a lot. But I kind of like the self conscious joke about RVS even if I think it misses Mind's point. More slight tonal hints of town.
I don't like this follow up question to shadow. Isn't taking an extra step to try to see Shadow's motivation and figure out what it means. Scum+
And I'm going to keep the last chunk together because I'm tired of formatting... Here I like the playful tone with Shadow. But I also like the content on Shinichi. It echos my own thoughts. He does feel relaxed and engaged, doing somethings I don't agree with, but that's par for the course with us (still <3 u Shin). Sitting at a town lean with some pointed questions is exactly where I'd expect someone who knows him to be.
you've got to be kidding me
can he really be scum with lines like that
Why do you believe Shinichi couldn't answer the question?
That sure is three posts after one person scumreading you
well Terry is probably town
I nearly got fooled
Unvote, Vote: Vaimes
How does town reading me make Vaimes scum?
Also I had the same reaction to Terry but it was pure gut. Can you explain your reason?
vote: shadowlancerx
On the contrary, I think shadowlancerx's questions fit this suggestion. They aren't actually questioning Quickhoodies' motives, or Shinichi's motives, but rather accusing them of having done something wrong.
@Shinichi besides us and Grapefruit, who else is from MAL? Is there anyone?
Also, I've been meaning to ask:
I am not smol enough? What does this mean.
I guess it was confusing because I lumped both together, but the question I didn't think was townie was the "why all the pragmatics based questions" part. I actually really liked the question they quoted there and gave me town vibes on Shadow. I did not like the dismissive response to it. Showed that lack of game solving intent that so often comes from scum. The first question replying to the part about Shinichi feels pretty neutral. Doesn't push me on way or another.
Turning it around what did you dislike about Shadow's posts? Just that exchange? And if so which part in particular.
Their questions are accusations. There's no searching behind them, not for motive or clarity. They're about making someone look scummy but by putting it in the form of a question, it comes off not as an unwarranted accusation but gentle shade thrown in someone else's direction.
Maybe they're attempts to get a better feel of the other player, but that's what stands out to me most right now.
Vote: Shadow
vote: vaemes
Weird entrance, questionable townread on Shinichi, opportunistic vote hop.
I knew WG was gonna scumread me at some point based on how he treated me in that silly cult mini, so I'd probably be sketched out if he were townreading me early on.
Mindreaver is eh, wait and see. I think I've always scumread him in the past.
I still don't think Shinichi is town (wish other people would weigh in here, kinda feels like it's being brushed aside) so kpaca and his Good Posts TM will have to wait.
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I...don't really see the questions-as-accusations thing. I think they're fair questions -- ones I've certainly thought myself. kpaca's weird townread, Shinichi not asking what I liked about Grapefruit's post, etc.
Re, could you tell me where you are with kpaca, QH, and Shinichi? Anything that sticks out to you?
Unvote
I quite liked Terry's entrance, it had a mix of fun and serious that I appreciate.
@Grapefruit: Regarding kpaca, the first game I ever played with him was Revolution, so as far as he goes, you actually probably know him better just due to reading murders in townville.
I'm trying not to form a read on Shinichi because I always find myself scum reading him. And I want to this game for his general not digging further this game. For example when I asked him to guess why I voted for QH he couldn't find a textual reason and said something about trying to sort them out with a vote. But when provided with my reasoning kind of just went along with it. And that pattern repeats itself. I think it is more likely to come from scum. But like I said I have a horrible record reading him and don't trust myself to do so. Plus I can say from experience he isn't the fastest starter on D1.
Not in favor of a kpaca wagon right now. There is stuff there, but I don't think votes are going to accomplish anything this early.
I could have sworn I basically said "take a stance on me, please, instead of saying x is towny y is scummy in summary I'm not sure."
Ok, Kpaca can be my first real vote of the game
VOTE: Kpaca
I need substance form your posts. Just saying something is bad is not helpful. Explain your thought process.
QH I like so far. When mini spats happen, I find myself rooting for him. Which could be a very bad thing.
kpaca came off to me as scummy, but it could just be their style.
Shinichi seems different, but that could be the effect of a new website. At the moment it's a tonal change, nothing concrete.
@shadowlancerx I can sorta see that. Usually when I try to find someone's reasoning behind a read, I straightforward ask for it, so maybe I'm unaccustomed to seeing it in a different form.
tl;dr I don't think he's actually thinking about anyone's alignment.
Honestly this prob silly but this post alone gives huge town vibes, because he instead of skipping rvs actually incorporated it into his first post while also leaving it.
It's only the first 3-4 days even in the small games i play in not eye popping every happens early actually nothing amazing ever happens on day 1 either.
Are u refering to me here?
Few times ive seen post like this were from scum, Lucianroy which im sure you've plauyed with before always enters a game with a post like this sometimes you can tell from his post though what type of motivation they're coming from.
TBF you can't prove it, but i believe you more now tho just cause of what grapefruit said. Unless your both scum together then that just changes eerything lmfao.
I've seen people get scum read due to the amount of content included in post so its a possibility, But i think the worry comes from the notion that quite a few people commented on his first post and the length of it dont you think?
Is this sarcasm? Because unless you have absolute proof hes town for me hes guilty just like everyone else.
Also I think you read this post wrong, or maybe my grammar just sucks. I was saying should i be worried that the person who i said was aggresive announced that he had a slight town read on me. I wasn't implying i town read him but like I said my grammar ****ed that sentence up pretty badly.
Rogersherman is astro
Quickhoodies is also from mal but he asked me to keep his identity secret
That's something i took note off to, ive seen it happen in plenty of my games. If anything it gives me a slight scum read of shadow a very small one at that tho, because asking questions to push the thread is not something scum would necessarily would do, but the would do it to try to create fasle accusations.
Its a pretty pointless post true but its also easy to answer this early game, though if anything I would consider these post meaningless unless you think people who try to paint themselves as town through trick questions as scum?
No unless he uses myanimelist then yes its possible.